I thought the number was actually 616.
It doesn't matter why she doesn't want to be tracked (political, religious, whatever), it's important that schools aren't used as "conformance camps". Schools are there to educate students and that is all they should be doing. Attendance tags are not in any way essential to teaching. (I personally think that mandatory dress codes are beyond their remit as well).
Of course schools are conformance camps: sit down, shut up, learn, I will tell you when you can leave your chair. If that's not conforming then I don't know what is, and that's just from the teachers, that doesnt include the need to conform students feel from their peers
Thank you for fighting for our freedom. Too few people do.
Best regards,
mrjb
Freedom? She's not fighting for the right to vote, she's fighting to not have to follow the rules at a particular school. She was offered another school and refused. Like a school that requires a uniform, she should follow the rules and comply, otherwise GTFO. Being tracked by RFID isn't any different than being tracked by security cameras, does she oppose those too?
If you voluntarily enter someone's property, then they should have the right to set the terms of entry. If they want to put a sign up that says "no clothes allowed" then you had better get naked when entering their property.
However, students do not voluntarily enter school. They are required by law to be there. Requiring students to give up rights because they entered your property, when you forced them to enter the property, isn't fair.
But students are minors and are not granted the same rights as adults because they aren't as capable of accepting responsibility as adults. If some rights need to be restricted to maintain order - like drug sniffing dogs being allowed to check lockers without a warrent - then so be it but we should try not to over do it. This RFID thing is over doing it.
She was offered another school. Parents refused. They want to go to this school but they don't want to follow the rules. Like a kid that wants to go to a specific school but doesn't want to wear the school uniform yes some public schools require uniforms.
Whatever your position, you're ill suited to it and doing students a great disservice. Get out, now.
This is about ego not money. This is a student at a magnet school. If her attendance was poor, her grades would be poor. If her grades were poor, she would be removed with good reason. Someone is offended that she isn't complying with a policy detail and has taken their offense to an unreasonable extreme.
Expulsion is an indelible mark on a student record that can have negative, life altering effects and should be considered with great care, and only after all other options have been exhausted. Even with a seemingly simple school switch as this, university admissions committees will wonder. It is sure to reduce her college options. Therefore if the student is otherwise in good standing, her refusal to wear an ID badge resulting in expulsion cannot be argued by an honest mind to be warranted.
In addition, said mind would be for and not against parents fighting that bureaucratic extremism with whatever means of process is at their disposal. They are not seeking damages, this is not a "free lottery ticket" as your surmised, this is trying to stop a terrible injustice.
As indicated when you said you were upset with the lawyers, and as shown when you failed to identify what is the root of the matter, you responded to this post emotionally. I could nevertheless understand these things. There are an unfortunate number of frivolous lawsuits out there that do great harm and your feelings attached to that could mask the ego at play here.
What disqualifies you from your job is not that. You must seek other employment, for the greater good, because you treat the heavy handed, life altering, negative act so lightly. That is what is most fundamental here. This is an execution to punish a passionate cry for reason.
It's too late for her, she'll already have a hard time getting into a decent college or decent job because as soon as anyone googles her name it's going to say she sued because she didn't want to follow the rules.
Sorry, but raising a generation of children that agreeably comply to carry a tracking device, is a popcorn fart away from creating a society where our government requires each and every one of us to carry a tracking device. Imaging the up side. No Crime goes unpunished, almost instantly. Nobody ever get's lost. You can find almost anybody for a price. You can manage traffic, and human resource requirement to a person.
Of course the government always knows where you are, what you're doing, what you're saying. Hell, this is a future that would have chafed Big Brother's ass. You want to see what happens when you reduce people to sheep. Witless, mindless working units. I'm sorry but you are talking about planting the seeds for a dystopian future for which I want no part.
Shit, bet this Big Brother government is going to put cameras everywhere too, probably on traffic lights, with some BS excuse like stopping speeders or people running red lights. Probably record our license plates too. Oh, wait, too late, they already do that. Now what?
They offered her another school. Parents refused. They want to go to this special school but they don't want to follow the rules that all the other students are following.
A school should think of the children, yes, but not by limiting their freedoms and invading their privacy. A school should make sure those "threats" simply have no way of entering the school. That should be their priority, not tracking their every move like a bonafide Big Brother.
Freedoms? Privacy? At school? They're not going through her purse, they're making sure she's attending class. How is that invading her freedom or privacy? Students have to ask to use the bathroom, isn't that invading freedom and privacy already?
A public education is a right given to all students, regardless of any kind of circumstance...it doesn't matter what is going on, the student should be allowed to receive a free and appropriate public education. This has been demonstrated many times in the court systems.
Work is not a right...you have a choice whether to continue to work there or not. In most cases, students don't have these sane choices by the design of our school systems - either they put up with this public school BS, or de-enlist and pursue an education elsewhere. And they are legally entitled to the public education. If something in the public education environment conflicts with them, they should complain...and take legal action if necessary when the complaints fall on deaf ears. This is a right.. You, whom works in public education, should know that pointing towards the door and showing them there other option is not a solution.,,well, I guess it is a solution for most teachers in that they get rid of the immediate problem. Private educations are expensive...and you need resources to home school a child. Something the majority of parents in the public education system cannot afford, and shouldn't need to solely because the school system is being stupid.
So yes, the students and parents and lawyers should sue proverbial pants off the school system, because obviously they are making dumb decisions. With law suits comes staffing changes, and lessons learned. This is essentially a repeat of the 60's south when lawsuits were required to desegregate the public school system.
Want to improve our society? Start with our schools. Adding tracking measures to keep track of the "inventory" is not helping anything, other than making it apparent that the school system cares more about logistics than learning. There a billion better ways to do this instead of treating students like packages.
And besides, how long is it going to take a high school kid to figure out he can have some fun with a computer - or even just stuff his lanyard into the backpack of a friend. Dumb idea. Lawsuit needed. End of story.
Wrong. Students can be expelled, then they are required to attend an alternative school, which is what has happened to this girl, she has been expelled from the magnet high school and been told to attend a lesser school that does not have the RFID badges yet
It is a public school. School has only the rights the public allows it to. If the people are opposed to RFID tracking of their kids, the school has just lost their right to track them.
And a public school is allowed to expel students that don't follow the rules. Offensive shirt? Refuse to wear uniform? Expelled. Yes, some public schools require a uniform. They should make this badge part of their school uniform and expel her when she refuses to wear it. And how is the badge much different from cameras everywhere with facial recognition? Tracking is tracking. Soon as the family mentioned absurd religious reasons it became clear they are just trying to get money
Where you are taught and tested on how to have no free will and give up any rights someone in authority asks for so that one day you can be a model slave, errr.... worker.
I know what are these schools trying to do, prepare students to get a job someday?!
Business that require visible ID at all time tends to be in the sectors that screw up real bad (financial sector). Why is this a good example? Plus getting all kids to accept real-time tracking can be a precursor to a full-fledge police state Joseph Stalin would be jealous of. I am SO glad metal detactors and chip tracking students are not implemented in my country.
And government and insurance and engineering and security and... actually, I don't think I've ever had a job where I didn't have a badge, at least after college. Last job I had without an ID badge was flipping burgers in high school
So the lesson to be learned is one of conformity then?
Isn't that what school is? Conform to what we want you to know? And someone please explain what expectation of privacy a child should have on public property. Does she complain about security cameras too? What is she going to do when she graduates and she has to swipe a badge to get into work or her work PC requires her login? Unless she plans on flipping burgers she better get use to badges and logins.
Come on. Not to defend Apple as such, but how can you call being outsold 1:5 a failure when you have one single model competing with hundreds of other models?
Its like cheating somehow!? The Samsung Galaxy III has sold more than the iPhone on its own. Although I do not think it is somehow cheating to sell more than one phone lol.
Yeah, but it should be obvious to anyone who travels to or decides to live in a third world country that you just don't fuck with the the management. Look, it sucks, but these people have absolute power, and very little accountability. Third world countries are often corrupt, and the last thing you want to do is paint a target on your forehead. No telling if McAfee is behind it or not, but any way you look at it... he's pissed somebody off.
Or, the other possibility is that he's a crazy old man, and all of this is in his head.
None of the outcomes here are good.
Well, if you read his blog, he mentions living with a 17 year old Amy and now a 20 year old Sam he's known for "1 and a half years"? Obvious this 67 year old loves teenage girls, which would probably upset a few fathers, and these are only the girls he's willing to admit to....
Also I find it highly suspicious their ages are being mentioned at all. What exactly does his age or the ages of girls he's sleeping with have to do with him being accused of murder and running from the law? I mean, there's no mention of the vehicle he escaped in or the clothes he's wearing or anything, but the ages of the girls is somehow revelant? Unless, of course, there's another side of the story, where he's being accused of sleeping with young children, in which case it makes sense why he would announce upfront that one girl was 17 and the other was 20.
Yeah, but it should be obvious to anyone who travels to or decides to live in a third world country that you just don't fuck with the the management. Look, it sucks, but these people have absolute power, and very little accountability. Third world countries are often corrupt, and the last thing you want to do is paint a target on your forehead. No telling if McAfee is behind it or not, but any way you look at it... he's pissed somebody off.
Or, the other possibility is that he's a crazy old man, and all of this is in his head.
None of the outcomes here are good.
Well, if you read his blog, he mentions living with a 17 year old Amy and now a 20 year old Sam he's known for "1 and a half years"? Obvious this 67 year old loves teenage girls, which would probably upset a few fathers, and these are only the girls he's willing to admit to....
Science is "why", engineering is "how". Science studies why things are the way they are, while engineering just accepts the way things are and works with that. That said, would rather have a scientist, since they understand things better.
The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant
A lot of things are failures in China. Google is a failure in China. Facebook is a failure in China. Does this mean google and Facebook are irrelevant too? If you did world wide market share of social media or search engines I bet you'd discover that whatever is popular in China ends up having the most market share because china has almost 5x more people than the US
Seriously I can't help feeling like Apple propaganda is kind of sad now they are irrelevant. The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant] from 5.8% and by quarter from 6.0 down to 4.2 unlike Android which has gone YOY 46.8% and by quarter 82.8% to 90.1%...Android is outselling Apple 21:1
No, not quite. It's not that the iPhone is a failure in china, it's the fact that the iPhone is not available on the top carriers in china. It would be like if the iphone was only available on tmobile in the US, except theres 5x more people in China than the US. Besides, most sales doesn't mean best: McDonalds is the top selling restaurant in the world, doesn't mean they sell the best food.
Like a soup kitchen bragging about how good it is by how many come through its doors !!
So just eat, eat, eat it !! Why don't you eat it !!
McDonald's has served billions, does that mean McDonald's makes the best food?
Internet explorer has the largest market share too, is IE the best browser?
Largest market share does not mean the product is the best, many things could influence that number. For example, iPhone 5 is not available in china, so no surprise that android has over 90% market share in China. The largest carrier in china, china mobile, doesn't even offer iPhone.
I think if they had a graph of just US market share iOS would be doing much better.
After $7,500 tax credit, assuming purchaser is paying $7,500 a year in taxes, and it's been widely reported that half of America doesn't earn enough to pay federal taxes. You can't get back $7,500 if you didn't pay it to begin with.
Well, based on THAT theory, then the price is getting close. My Lexus hybrid CT200h gets a consistent 39 miles/gallon. At the current $4.17/gall, that works out to $21,834 for gas, plus approx $35,000 for the car = $56,384. Not quite 78k, but that would mean a non-hybrid like the Audi A3 I had that got a very consistent 24 mpg comes to $34,750 for gas and $33,000 for the car = $67,750. Let's see - a Camry is not much cheaper in purchase price, and is similar to the Audi in consumption.
So, $78k is still on the high side, but getting very much closer to making sense... and that doesn't take into account maintenance (is it going to be cheaper to maintain without an internal combustion engine?), depreciation, etc.
Ben
you forgot that electricity still costs money. Its cheaper than gas but not free. Assuming a relatively cheap 10 cent per kwh, a 24kwh EV (like the Leaf) would cost $2.40 to charge, which gets you about 60 miles. If gas is $3 gallon which it's been hovering around, that means its equivalent to roughly 70mpg. If u run the numbers it takes hundreds of thousands of miles to break even on a EV that costs only 10 grand more than a car that averages 30mpg.
The people that buy EVs are either poor at math or don't mind spending tens of thousands more to save the environment.
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Sorry but ALL religion is insidious and evil. It is a means of control for the unintelligent and mentally lazy.
that could be said of almost ANY organized group, that it is a means of control
I thought the number was actually 616. It doesn't matter why she doesn't want to be tracked (political, religious, whatever), it's important that schools aren't used as "conformance camps". Schools are there to educate students and that is all they should be doing. Attendance tags are not in any way essential to teaching. (I personally think that mandatory dress codes are beyond their remit as well).
Of course schools are conformance camps: sit down, shut up, learn, I will tell you when you can leave your chair. If that's not conforming then I don't know what is, and that's just from the teachers, that doesnt include the need to conform students feel from their peers
Thank you for fighting for our freedom. Too few people do. Best regards, mrjb
Freedom? She's not fighting for the right to vote, she's fighting to not have to follow the rules at a particular school. She was offered another school and refused. Like a school that requires a uniform, she should follow the rules and comply, otherwise GTFO. Being tracked by RFID isn't any different than being tracked by security cameras, does she oppose those too?
If you voluntarily enter someone's property, then they should have the right to set the terms of entry. If they want to put a sign up that says "no clothes allowed" then you had better get naked when entering their property. However, students do not voluntarily enter school. They are required by law to be there. Requiring students to give up rights because they entered your property, when you forced them to enter the property, isn't fair. But students are minors and are not granted the same rights as adults because they aren't as capable of accepting responsibility as adults. If some rights need to be restricted to maintain order - like drug sniffing dogs being allowed to check lockers without a warrent - then so be it but we should try not to over do it. This RFID thing is over doing it.
She was offered another school. Parents refused. They want to go to this school but they don't want to follow the rules. Like a kid that wants to go to a specific school but doesn't want to wear the school uniform yes some public schools require uniforms.
Whatever your position, you're ill suited to it and doing students a great disservice. Get out, now.
This is about ego not money. This is a student at a magnet school. If her attendance was poor, her grades would be poor. If her grades were poor, she would be removed with good reason. Someone is offended that she isn't complying with a policy detail and has taken their offense to an unreasonable extreme.
Expulsion is an indelible mark on a student record that can have negative, life altering effects and should be considered with great care, and only after all other options have been exhausted. Even with a seemingly simple school switch as this, university admissions committees will wonder. It is sure to reduce her college options. Therefore if the student is otherwise in good standing, her refusal to wear an ID badge resulting in expulsion cannot be argued by an honest mind to be warranted.
In addition, said mind would be for and not against parents fighting that bureaucratic extremism with whatever means of process is at their disposal. They are not seeking damages, this is not a "free lottery ticket" as your surmised, this is trying to stop a terrible injustice.
As indicated when you said you were upset with the lawyers, and as shown when you failed to identify what is the root of the matter, you responded to this post emotionally. I could nevertheless understand these things. There are an unfortunate number of frivolous lawsuits out there that do great harm and your feelings attached to that could mask the ego at play here.
What disqualifies you from your job is not that. You must seek other employment, for the greater good, because you treat the heavy handed, life altering, negative act so lightly. That is what is most fundamental here. This is an execution to punish a passionate cry for reason.
It's too late for her, she'll already have a hard time getting into a decent college or decent job because as soon as anyone googles her name it's going to say she sued because she didn't want to follow the rules.
Sorry, but raising a generation of children that agreeably comply to carry a tracking device, is a popcorn fart away from creating a society where our government requires each and every one of us to carry a tracking device. Imaging the up side. No Crime goes unpunished, almost instantly. Nobody ever get's lost. You can find almost anybody for a price. You can manage traffic, and human resource requirement to a person.
Of course the government always knows where you are, what you're doing, what you're saying. Hell, this is a future that would have chafed Big Brother's ass. You want to see what happens when you reduce people to sheep. Witless, mindless working units. I'm sorry but you are talking about planting the seeds for a dystopian future for which I want no part.
Shit, bet this Big Brother government is going to put cameras everywhere too, probably on traffic lights, with some BS excuse like stopping speeders or people running red lights. Probably record our license plates too. Oh, wait, too late, they already do that. Now what?
They offered her another school. Parents refused. They want to go to this special school but they don't want to follow the rules that all the other students are following.
A school should think of the children, yes, but not by limiting their freedoms and invading their privacy. A school should make sure those "threats" simply have no way of entering the school. That should be their priority, not tracking their every move like a bonafide Big Brother.
Freedoms? Privacy? At school? They're not going through her purse, they're making sure she's attending class. How is that invading her freedom or privacy? Students have to ask to use the bathroom, isn't that invading freedom and privacy already?
A public education is a right given to all students, regardless of any kind of circumstance...it doesn't matter what is going on, the student should be allowed to receive a free and appropriate public education. This has been demonstrated many times in the court systems.
Work is not a right...you have a choice whether to continue to work there or not. In most cases, students don't have these sane choices by the design of our school systems - either they put up with this public school BS, or de-enlist and pursue an education elsewhere. And they are legally entitled to the public education. If something in the public education environment conflicts with them, they should complain...and take legal action if necessary when the complaints fall on deaf ears. This is a right.. You, whom works in public education, should know that pointing towards the door and showing them there other option is not a solution.,,well, I guess it is a solution for most teachers in that they get rid of the immediate problem. Private educations are expensive...and you need resources to home school a child. Something the majority of parents in the public education system cannot afford, and shouldn't need to solely because the school system is being stupid.
So yes, the students and parents and lawyers should sue proverbial pants off the school system, because obviously they are making dumb decisions. With law suits comes staffing changes, and lessons learned. This is essentially a repeat of the 60's south when lawsuits were required to desegregate the public school system.
Want to improve our society? Start with our schools. Adding tracking measures to keep track of the "inventory" is not helping anything, other than making it apparent that the school system cares more about logistics than learning. There a billion better ways to do this instead of treating students like packages.
And besides, how long is it going to take a high school kid to figure out he can have some fun with a computer - or even just stuff his lanyard into the backpack of a friend. Dumb idea. Lawsuit needed. End of story.
Wrong. Students can be expelled, then they are required to attend an alternative school, which is what has happened to this girl, she has been expelled from the magnet high school and been told to attend a lesser school that does not have the RFID badges yet
It is a public school. School has only the rights the public allows it to. If the people are opposed to RFID tracking of their kids, the school has just lost their right to track them.
And a public school is allowed to expel students that don't follow the rules. Offensive shirt? Refuse to wear uniform? Expelled. Yes, some public schools require a uniform. They should make this badge part of their school uniform and expel her when she refuses to wear it. And how is the badge much different from cameras everywhere with facial recognition? Tracking is tracking. Soon as the family mentioned absurd religious reasons it became clear they are just trying to get money
Where you are taught and tested on how to have no free will and give up any rights someone in authority asks for so that one day you can be a model slave, errr.... worker.
I know what are these schools trying to do, prepare students to get a job someday?!
Business that require visible ID at all time tends to be in the sectors that screw up real bad (financial sector). Why is this a good example? Plus getting all kids to accept real-time tracking can be a precursor to a full-fledge police state Joseph Stalin would be jealous of. I am SO glad metal detactors and chip tracking students are not implemented in my country.
And government and insurance and engineering and security and... actually, I don't think I've ever had a job where I didn't have a badge, at least after college. Last job I had without an ID badge was flipping burgers in high school
So the lesson to be learned is one of conformity then?
Isn't that what school is? Conform to what we want you to know? And someone please explain what expectation of privacy a child should have on public property. Does she complain about security cameras too? What is she going to do when she graduates and she has to swipe a badge to get into work or her work PC requires her login? Unless she plans on flipping burgers she better get use to badges and logins.
Come on. Not to defend Apple as such, but how can you call being outsold 1:5 a failure when you have one single model competing with hundreds of other models?
Its like cheating somehow!? The Samsung Galaxy III has sold more than the iPhone on its own. Although I do not think it is somehow cheating to sell more than one phone lol.
says who? iPhone 5 sold 5 million in 3 days and is on track to sell 46.5 million in the 4th quarter while the S3 took two months to sell only 10 million. Clearly Samsung is going to have to step-up their astroturfing marketing campaign. Samsung has been caught astroturfing forums, think they're posting fake comments on /. too?
supreme commander and supreme commander forged alliance
that is all
oh and dishonored if you have time
Yeah, but it should be obvious to anyone who travels to or decides to live in a third world country that you just don't fuck with the the management. Look, it sucks, but these people have absolute power, and very little accountability. Third world countries are often corrupt, and the last thing you want to do is paint a target on your forehead. No telling if McAfee is behind it or not, but any way you look at it... he's pissed somebody off. Or, the other possibility is that he's a crazy old man, and all of this is in his head. None of the outcomes here are good.
Well, if you read his blog, he mentions living with a 17 year old Amy and now a 20 year old Sam he's known for "1 and a half years"? Obvious this 67 year old loves teenage girls, which would probably upset a few fathers, and these are only the girls he's willing to admit to....
Also I find it highly suspicious their ages are being mentioned at all. What exactly does his age or the ages of girls he's sleeping with have to do with him being accused of murder and running from the law? I mean, there's no mention of the vehicle he escaped in or the clothes he's wearing or anything, but the ages of the girls is somehow revelant? Unless, of course, there's another side of the story, where he's being accused of sleeping with young children, in which case it makes sense why he would announce upfront that one girl was 17 and the other was 20.
Or maybe I've just been watching too much CSI
Yeah, but it should be obvious to anyone who travels to or decides to live in a third world country that you just don't fuck with the the management. Look, it sucks, but these people have absolute power, and very little accountability. Third world countries are often corrupt, and the last thing you want to do is paint a target on your forehead. No telling if McAfee is behind it or not, but any way you look at it... he's pissed somebody off. Or, the other possibility is that he's a crazy old man, and all of this is in his head. None of the outcomes here are good.
Well, if you read his blog, he mentions living with a 17 year old Amy and now a 20 year old Sam he's known for "1 and a half years"? Obvious this 67 year old loves teenage girls, which would probably upset a few fathers, and these are only the girls he's willing to admit to....
Science is "why", engineering is "how". Science studies why things are the way they are, while engineering just accepts the way things are and works with that. That said, would rather have a scientist, since they understand things better.
The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant
A lot of things are failures in China. Google is a failure in China. Facebook is a failure in China. Does this mean google and Facebook are irrelevant too? If you did world wide market share of social media or search engines I bet you'd discover that whatever is popular in China ends up having the most market share because china has almost 5x more people than the US
Seriously I can't help feeling like Apple propaganda is kind of sad now they are irrelevant. The iPhone is a failure in China and in current news its market share [as everywhere] is dropping YOY [its irrelevant] from 5.8% and by quarter from 6.0 down to 4.2 unlike Android which has gone YOY 46.8% and by quarter 82.8% to 90.1%...Android is outselling Apple 21:1
No, not quite. It's not that the iPhone is a failure in china, it's the fact that the iPhone is not available on the top carriers in china. It would be like if the iphone was only available on tmobile in the US, except theres 5x more people in China than the US. Besides, most sales doesn't mean best: McDonalds is the top selling restaurant in the world, doesn't mean they sell the best food.
Like a soup kitchen bragging about how good it is by how many come through its doors !!
So just eat, eat, eat it !! Why don't you eat it !!
McDonald's has served billions, does that mean McDonald's makes the best food?
Internet explorer has the largest market share too, is IE the best browser?
Largest market share does not mean the product is the best, many things could influence that number. For example, iPhone 5 is not available in china, so no surprise that android has over 90% market share in China. The largest carrier in china, china mobile, doesn't even offer iPhone.
I think if they had a graph of just US market share iOS would be doing much better.
65k will be nothing in 77 years, at the rate of inflation it'll be below the poverty line in 77 years
4% interest on 5 mil would be $200,000 a year. Ya I could live on that for awhile
After $7,500 tax credit, assuming purchaser is paying $7,500 a year in taxes, and it's been widely reported that half of America doesn't earn enough to pay federal taxes. You can't get back $7,500 if you didn't pay it to begin with.
Well, based on THAT theory, then the price is getting close. My Lexus hybrid CT200h gets a consistent 39 miles/gallon. At the current $4.17/gall, that works out to $21,834 for gas, plus approx $35,000 for the car = $56,384. Not quite 78k, but that would mean a non-hybrid like the Audi A3 I had that got a very consistent 24 mpg comes to $34,750 for gas and $33,000 for the car = $67,750. Let's see - a Camry is not much cheaper in purchase price, and is similar to the Audi in consumption.
So, $78k is still on the high side, but getting very much closer to making sense... and that doesn't take into account maintenance (is it going to be cheaper to maintain without an internal combustion engine?), depreciation, etc.
Ben
you forgot that electricity still costs money. Its cheaper than gas but not free. Assuming a relatively cheap 10 cent per kwh, a 24kwh EV (like the Leaf) would cost $2.40 to charge, which gets you about 60 miles. If gas is $3 gallon which it's been hovering around, that means its equivalent to roughly 70mpg. If u run the numbers it takes hundreds of thousands of miles to break even on a EV that costs only 10 grand more than a car that averages 30mpg.
The people that buy EVs are either poor at math or don't mind spending tens of thousands more to save the environment.