You wrote: "The only mention of Intellectual Property in the declaration is followed by noting the importance of knowledge dissemination: "Intellectual Property protection is important to encourage innovation and creativity in the Information Society; similarly, the wide dissemination, diffusion, and sharing of knowledge is important to encourage innovation and creativity.""
--> you forgot how this papers would look without the interference of civil society and Brazil --> no reference to WIPO!! --> no reference to TRIPS --> IP, not Intellectual Property Rights!!
I am pleased with the paper, except the term IPR which is totally inappropriate.
Take a look at the drafts, this compromise shows the weakness of the old forces. So there they are, critizising a text that has no importance anymore. they've lost.
Better ptrepare for the next round. Please participate in the 2nd phase of the summit in Tunis to reach even more ground.
Wsis created a lot of papers that will cause UN action on that field. I suggest everybody of you to accredit to the secon phase in tunis and represent your country in your civil society caucus.
Free Software was very influential on WSIS. Brazil put the WIPO and TRIPS agreement references out, i think that may be of greater importance.
There are other persons that already understood that Open Source is about 2100 century information infrastructure. So what Free Software has to invest even more in good diplomacy and lobbying.
I personally like SuSe which provides me with a clean and lean KDE desktop. Debian/Gentoo is Hacker's choice. German language support is also of importance for me and Suse is better in that field than RedHat. Distributions?
But it depends. i want to use SuSe on the dektop. You should not mix up the server and the desktop market. this year Linux gains on the desktop market which was out of reach a few years ago. the desktop needs different software and tools. Redhat does not seem to be intrested in the desktop market anymore, their priority lies on the server market. Also the Linux in data center approach for Kernel development focusses on the Server and Enterprise market. From my perspective it would be more important to improve notebook support and kick the hardware manufacturers in the ass.
Mandrake always was a very good desktop distribution. I would like to see a joint desktop initiative with several goals and money to reach them. And not gnome radicals or Bruce Perens involved. I would like to see more standardization and more linux ports of commercial software.
I is very intresting that he mentiones software patents as a big issue. But I believe it is more a European debate while the United States got used to it. I Don't like software patents, they are bad for development and business. But something has to be done in US as well. Does anybody know the name of US activists that may change the USPTO policy?
A Good example is the movement against EU software patents. A similar style is used as in huge open source development projects. Different sites such as FFII.org, the AEL Wiki, Vrijschrift, Eurolinux Petition are used. There are many core activists that contribute to email communication on different lists, monitor the net, take part in events, speakers for events and many supportes 8around 50 000 registered of FFII or 300 000 Eurolinux signatures). Registered supporters can be contacted in cases of urgent action. There is no strict organisation structure, contributions count and create a personal karma. Participants in the debate act as individuals, not as objects of an organisational ideology. If you don't like something, contribute. If you are not pleased with the organisation or action of FFII join another group in the debate and contribute in a different style.
Participants were able to convince the EU parliament by massive protests. FFII and the other groups of the network created a kind of watchgroup for IP policy issues. They were able to put light in dark backyard where patent attorneys and servants of the DoJ decide what may be beneficial for the information society.
I think in europe we were able to show: "Hacking politics works."
Of course.
I think Mono is a nice tool. What you also have to keep in mind are the external effects of this project. when Mono gets 905 completion it will be 130% very soon but it is very hard to reach a critical mass.
Intresting efforts like VB.Net can probably be used to benefit dead projects like GnomeBasic. The problem with basic compilers was that they all started with the compiler, so none of the failed projects contructed a VB compatible compiler.
I suggest you to have a look at Hbasic.
hbasic.sf.net
He wants to use.Net bindings.
So beeing able to execute Vb-Programms on Linux would be very nice. And as there are add-ons it will be a kind of backwards compatibility.
Oh, then they will release a message. "We found our secret code, it is now called ReactOS." Or Wine was able to improve because our code was leaked, they stole our IP ecc.
However we can also look up whether our intellectual property was infringed by Microsofts' code.
I think this is a media campaign, that will result in further Sco like action: thjex copied our ideas because Linux freaks stole our code blabla
I enjoyed to use Geoworks Ensemble on my 386, later relaunched as New Deal Office.
This was in the Win3.1 world a strong and superior Desktop environment in motif style. It failed because the SDK was not available for a long time. Applications were very small, 100% object oriented and very very fast.
I tried to get to run it on Dosbox, however I failed, but I was only able to try a installed version from my 386 HD backup as I cannot install it from scratch (no 5.25 floppy and my old 386 is gone). Perhaps you should give it a try. I have some.000 Geowrite files , that I cannot read anymore. Goewrite could export it to.txt. but when I cannot run Geoworks Ensemble I cannot translate the files. I think there is no file format description, the files are actually a kind of memery dump I was told.
In short word: Patents and the patent system are not designed for service industries like software. software is well protected by copyright, patents cause legal incertainty.
I don't understand why Microsoft does not support FFII in Europe to get rid off patent legislation. Patents on software are so harmful. Nobody needs them except the patent attorneys who want to make profit.
PAtent attorneys alsways benefit from patents. And they design the law. The current patent system is known to be inefficient. Software shall better be not protected by patents. The big man/small guy scheme is wrong, but the market situation is changed in favour of Large corporations and "small" patent privateers
This exampe shows how important it will be to create a more effcient patent system in the world. Economists are very critical about the patent system at large, but I believe the quality of patents has to improved, the quantitiy has to be reduced. A way to do so it to set high standards,
But in the WIPO the lawyer community drafts extension to patentability. Patent law is not evil per se, but in dynamic industries it does not suit. Patents were never designed for services. In Europe FFII and many other organisations were able to build a mature counter-force to the lawyer's lobby groups. However they are in the international and governmental institutions as experts and design their own patent law.
How to get rid of bad patents? can therefore be translated to "How to create balance in patent legislation?". It makes little sense to hunt down trivial patents. The bugs are in the patent system and have to be fixed. Patent attorneys are not intrested in a working patent system.
What to do? 1. Get organized. there are several US organisation, but there is not real US movement. There is a very low-traffic US mailing list of FFII, JOIN.
2. Support petitions such as http://www.noepatents.org 3. Help to defend the European directive in Brussels (there will be a FFII conference in April) 4. Provide content and opinion articles about patent inflation on the internet.
It is nothing *unusual* to support investments as high as 2.5 billion. 20% is more or less moderate. This is usual economic policy in most states around the globe. Anti-Capitalists and Communists will critzise it though because they prefer state run chip production, haha.
It's better than paying 520m to a patent privateer via a stated granted monopoly system.:-)
But I believe a 600 Million German Free Software Fund would be a better investment.
FFII about European problems with US legal system. Also DMCA and so on. I don't think US-companies shall move cross-atlantic, bacause it will not help. The problems have to be solved on a global level.
It is quite obvious that the journalists work is inappropriate. Esp. he talks about patents that are not related to this case. SCO's website seems to be rather unimportant to me.
I think this media campaign was very good news for SCO.... and it worked. Everybody knows that SCo's claims were baseless or at least unproven. And in parts of Europe SCO's action were even stopped by the court: anticompetitive beahviour. SCO's action was complete against any business rule.
So, why shouldn't be an IBM worker responsible as SCO targeted IBM with its dirty media campaign..
I think we shall write letters of protest to the BBC. I think probably 50 letters are enough.
However a support of India for Free Softwareon the international level may be very helpful in the defense against Software patents. There is still no *real US-movement* (join this list:-)) but an Indian committment similar to Brazil could be beneficial on the internatioanl level.
Also think of the fact that WSISII in Tunis will distribute UN money for IT- projects.
Why should somebody provide KDE support who hates it. I haven't seen Perens Vaporware yet. UserLinux, this is no product, this was just another initiative. I prefer distribution projects that keep silent and actually help to improve Debian. Such as Skolelinux, a Linux environment for schools that can be used by an idiot as admin.
Forget about the business people, Bruce. They are talking trash. Such as the great supporter IBM that also kindly provides us with software patent law in Europe. -- a real nice friend.
I don't think Bruce became wise. A UserLinux without KDE, that sounds really silly. UserLinux is VAPOr ware. But Skolelinux provides almost everything that UserLinux will probably support. I think Bruce shall rather concentrate his forced on the fight against software patents. this may be more useful. Gnome may be okay for me, but it is not suitable for users. KDE.org is still the more advanced DE.
Luki.org, a German organisation for the spread of the word of Linux in Christian Churches, created a very good "Uberzeugungsmappe", a convincement paper for Joe Enduser. It is slightly outdated and probably not available in English but you could try to tranlate it via Babelfish and correct the mistakes.
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I remind you of SCO's IBM/Linux copyright infringement claims, I remind you you of the validity problems of the GPL.
:-)
Don't forget Netfilter.org 'owned Allnet'
The settlement example shows how it is done in 'real business'. No media dirt, no false accusations, no 3 billion$ infringement lawsuits.
You wrote:
"The only mention of Intellectual Property in the declaration is followed by noting the importance of knowledge dissemination: "Intellectual Property protection is important to encourage innovation and creativity in the Information Society; similarly, the wide dissemination, diffusion, and sharing of knowledge is important to encourage innovation and creativity.""
--> you forgot how this papers would look without the interference of civil society and Brazil
--> no reference to WIPO!!
--> no reference to TRIPS
--> IP, not Intellectual Property Rights!!
I am pleased with the paper, except the term IPR which is totally inappropriate.
Take a look at the drafts, this compromise shows the weakness of the old forces. So there they are, critizising a text that has no importance anymore. they've lost.
Better ptrepare for the next round. Please participate in the 2nd phase of the summit in Tunis to reach even more ground.
Wsis created a lot of papers that will cause UN action on that field. I suggest everybody of you to accredit to the secon phase in tunis and represent your country in your civil society caucus.
Free Software was very influential on WSIS. Brazil put the WIPO and TRIPS agreement references out, i think that may be of greater importance.
There are other persons that already understood that Open Source is about 2100 century information infrastructure. So what Free Software has to invest even more in good diplomacy and lobbying.
I personally like SuSe which provides me with a clean and lean KDE desktop. Debian/Gentoo is Hacker's choice. German language support is also of importance for me and Suse is better in that field than RedHat. Distributions?
But it depends. i want to use SuSe on the dektop. You should not mix up the server and the desktop market. this year Linux gains on the desktop market which was out of reach a few years ago. the desktop needs different software and tools. Redhat does not seem to be intrested in the desktop market anymore, their priority lies on the server market. Also the Linux in data center approach for Kernel development focusses on the Server and Enterprise market. From my perspective it would be more important to improve notebook support and kick the hardware manufacturers in the ass.
Mandrake always was a very good desktop distribution. I would like to see a joint desktop initiative with several goals and money to reach them. And not gnome radicals or Bruce Perens involved. I would like to see more standardization and more linux ports of commercial software.
The EU patent system is a broken as the American system, we have to put more pressure on the lawyers and their interest groups.
Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure will start it's second Free Information Infrastructure Conference in Bruxelles in April 13/14 2004. Please come to Bruxelles. Last year's participants included Lessing, RMS, Mozelle W. Thompsson, Opera, MySQL and many others. The FFII Alliance campaign was very succesfull in 2003.
This may not be correct if it is provided via internet download. And the EU patent office ignores current legislation.
FFII shall be supported in order to avoid EU patent legislation and we have to join forces in order to correct the mistakes of the Us system.
software patents are a danger to society.
I is very intresting that he mentiones software patents as a big issue. But I believe it is more a European debate while the United States got used to it. I Don't like software patents, they are bad for development and business. But something has to be done in US as well. Does anybody know the name of US activists that may change the USPTO policy?
A Good example is the movement against EU software patents. A similar style is used as in huge open source development projects. Different sites such as FFII.org, the AEL Wiki, Vrijschrift, Eurolinux Petition are used. There are many core activists that contribute to email communication on different lists, monitor the net, take part in events, speakers for events and many supportes 8around 50 000 registered of FFII or 300 000 Eurolinux signatures). Registered supporters can be contacted in cases of urgent action. There is no strict organisation structure, contributions count and create a personal karma. Participants in the debate act as individuals, not as objects of an organisational ideology. If you don't like something, contribute. If you are not pleased with the organisation or action of FFII join another group in the debate and contribute in a different style.
Participants were able to convince the EU parliament by massive protests. FFII and the other groups of the network created a kind of watchgroup for IP policy issues. They were able to put light in dark backyard where patent attorneys and servants of the DoJ decide what may be beneficial for the information society.
I think in europe we were able to show: "Hacking politics works."
Of course. I think Mono is a nice tool. What you also have to keep in mind are the external effects of this project. when Mono gets 905 completion it will be 130% very soon but it is very hard to reach a critical mass. Intresting efforts like VB.Net can probably be used to benefit dead projects like GnomeBasic. The problem with basic compilers was that they all started with the compiler, so none of the failed projects contructed a VB compatible compiler. I suggest you to have a look at Hbasic. hbasic.sf.net He wants to use .Net bindings.
So beeing able to execute Vb-Programms on Linux would be very nice. And as there are add-ons it will be a kind of backwards compatibility.
Oh, then they will release a message. "We found our secret code, it is now called ReactOS." Or Wine was able to improve because our code was leaked, they stole our IP ecc.
However we can also look up whether our intellectual property was infringed by Microsofts' code.
I think this is a media campaign, that will result in further Sco like action: thjex copied our ideas because Linux freaks stole our code blabla
I enjoyed to use Geoworks Ensemble on my 386, later relaunched as New Deal Office.
.000 Geowrite files , that I cannot read anymore. Goewrite could export it to .txt. but when I cannot run Geoworks Ensemble I cannot translate the files. I think there is no file format description, the files are actually a kind of memery dump I was told.
This was in the Win3.1 world a strong and superior Desktop environment in motif style. It failed because the SDK was not available for a long time. Applications were very small, 100% object oriented and very very fast.
I tried to get to run it on Dosbox, however I failed, but I was only able to try a installed version from my 386 HD backup as I cannot install it from scratch (no 5.25 floppy and my old 386 is gone). Perhaps you should give it a try. I have some
Well,
do we need a how to edit adult pics with gimp tutorial?
Do we need a naked Linux Torvalds in order to promote Sauna - Linux?
You're greenhorn. This is legal theory. But read software patents, it's all crap. I don't find a business secret there.
In short word: Patents and the patent system are not designed for service industries like software. software is well protected by copyright, patents cause legal incertainty.
I don't understand why Microsoft does not support FFII in Europe to get rid off patent legislation. Patents on software are so harmful. Nobody needs them except the patent attorneys who want to make profit.
PAtent attorneys alsways benefit from patents. And they design the law. The current patent system is known to be inefficient. Software shall better be not protected by patents. The big man /small guy scheme is wrong, but the market situation is changed in favour of Large corporations and "small" patent privateers
This exampe shows how important it will be to create a more effcient patent system in the world.
Economists are very critical about the patent system at large, but I believe the quality of patents has to improved, the quantitiy has to be reduced. A way to do so it to set high standards,
But in the WIPO the lawyer community drafts extension to patentability. Patent law is not evil per se, but in dynamic industries it does not suit. Patents were never designed for services. In Europe FFII and many other organisations were able to build a mature counter-force to the lawyer's lobby groups. However they are in the international and governmental institutions as experts and design their own patent law.
How to get rid of bad patents? can therefore be translated to "How to create balance in patent legislation?". It makes little sense to hunt down trivial patents. The bugs are in the patent system and have to be fixed. Patent attorneys are not intrested in a working patent system.
What to do?
1. Get organized. there are several US organisation, but there is not real US movement.
There is a very low-traffic US mailing list of FFII, JOIN.
2. Support petitions such as http://www.noepatents.org
3. Help to defend the European directive in Brussels (there will be a FFII conference in April)
4. Provide content and opinion articles about patent inflation on the internet.
It is nothing *unusual* to support investments as high as 2.5 billion. 20% is more or less moderate.
:-)
This is usual economic policy in most states around the globe. Anti-Capitalists and Communists will critzise it though because they prefer state run chip production, haha.
It's better than paying 520m to a patent privateer via a stated granted monopoly system.
But I believe a 600 Million German Free Software Fund would be a better investment.
Wow! Dresdem is a nice city. I think its a good place for AMD. However I would preferto pays for FOSS development. 1000 Jobs? No problem.
FFII about European problems with US legal system. Also DMCA and so on. I don't think US-companies shall move cross-atlantic, bacause it will not help. The problems have to be solved on a global level.
It is quite obvious that the journalists work is inappropriate. Esp. he talks about patents that are not related to this case. SCO's website seems to be rather unimportant to me.
... and it worked. Everybody knows that SCo's claims were baseless or at least unproven. And in parts of Europe SCO's action were even stopped by the court: anticompetitive beahviour. SCO's action was complete against any business rule.
I think this media campaign was very good news for SCO.
So, why shouldn't be an IBM worker responsible as SCO targeted IBM with its dirty media campaign..
I think we shall write letters of protest to the BBC. I think probably 50 letters are enough.
I prefer "FLOSS" as a term.
However a support of India for Free Softwareon the international level may be very helpful in the defense against Software patents. There is still no *real US-movement* (join this list:-)) but an Indian committment similar to Brazil could be beneficial on the internatioanl level.
Also think of the fact that WSISII in Tunis will distribute UN money for IT- projects.
Why should somebody provide KDE support who hates it. I haven't seen Perens Vaporware yet. UserLinux, this is no product, this was just another initiative. I prefer distribution projects that keep silent and actually help to improve Debian. Such as Skolelinux, a Linux environment for schools that can be used by an idiot as admin.
Forget about the business people, Bruce. They are talking trash. Such as the great supporter IBM that also kindly provides us with software patent law in Europe. -- a real nice friend.
I am intrested in code, not in words!!
I think Klaus Knoppers is not opposed to Money.
I don't think Bruce became wise. A UserLinux without KDE, that sounds really silly. UserLinux is VAPOr ware. But Skolelinux provides almost everything that UserLinux will probably support. I think Bruce shall rather concentrate his forced on the fight against software patents. this may be more useful. Gnome may be okay for me, but it is not suitable for users. KDE.org is still the more advanced DE.
Luki.org, a German organisation for the spread of the word of Linux in Christian Churches, created a very good "Uberzeugungsmappe", a convincement paper for Joe Enduser. It is slightly outdated and probably not available in English but you could try to tranlate it via Babelfish and correct the mistakes.
Download the German paper in OpenOffice Format or as pdf. More about the Luki-Organisation in English
It would be very helpful to get an English translation of this very good LUKI "Uberzeugungsmappe" paper