But why does he chose Gnome? Gnome is not suited for the user desktop right now. I understand that he likes gnome, but it is not ready yet. In Europe Linux on the desktop means Linux/KDE. You cannot sell Gnome to the enterprises. Gnome seems to look like a conservative corporate desktop environment. So it is no fun anymore, but users don't want a grey dressed desktop.
* KDE seems haunted by bad luck - everyone with a name (contrary to the polled masses, maybe) picks Gnome over them. *
In the USA perhaps because of RedHat. For desktop usage KDE has no alternative. Gnome 1.x was a hacker desktop. gnome 2.x became a "conservative corporate" de.
QT is GPLed for Free Software usage
Well: commercial = non GPL
LGPL causes license variety. Yes, you can write commercial=closed source=nonFree-Software with a LGPL license.
Qt is a wonderful easy, good structured toolkit, quite mature. When you want to write non-free Software with qt you have to pay. This is an easy model. And there is also no danger that trolltech will be overtaken by a mayor company because it is a hacker company with a contract with its users.
I think Novell/IBM takeover of Ximian may be very dangerous for the freedom of software, hmm?
Nonsense, the default configuration may look similar, but you can configure the KDE desktop to look what you want it. Gnome is great but not for the desktop. Bruce simply ignores the market. RedHat made the same mistake but outside RedHats market only few users prefer Gnome.
Well and if you write GPL software you don't have to pay. I think the business model of Trolltech is quite fair and has a gpl licensing incentive while the gtk world causes a multi-license environment.
When you write "commercial" (here=nongpl software) you have to pay for the toolkit. Well, that's very normal and the fee isn't very high.
qt is really wonderful, I believe its the best structured toolkit for this purpose.
What applications weren't written because companies coulnd't afford QT?
KDE is the leading DE on the desktop. Bruce is a nut. I also don't understand what this Userlinus was for. If he wanted a mature desktop linux distro with a few millions from the market, why doesn't he buy the company Mandrake Linux?
Despite the fact that ximian put so much spin on Gnome (KDE-Bashing, false accusations against qt, Suse will drop KDE nonsens ecc.) I would suggest that *today* Linux desktop means KDE.
Unfortunately Gnome lacks behind. RedHat committed themselves to Gnome what turned out to be a misktake. Today they are not intrested in the desktop market anymore. RedHat never supported KDE sufficiently.
Remember Ximians said ealier this year Mono 1.0 will be there in the end of this year. Vapor-marketing.
I believe we shall better focus on a stable common desktop. We shall stop with unfair bashing of other DE. Some use gnome, others KDE, Gnustep ecc. Nothing wrong with it. But the way Freedesktop is used in the battle for Gnome promotion shows a lack of understanding what it was for: to bridge the gap, to improve interoperability.
It is probably initiated by Business Software Alliance. Many observers regard the EIF as a parliaments prostitution camp. This may be a strong comment. However, I guess ENISA will promote Digital Rights Magemenent, Palladium and so on. It will not compare to well respected security institutions like German BSI.
The real question is how to fix the patent system. IBM (ie. PA Fritz Teufel) pressures for EU software patents. up to now they were successfully defeated. However, in order to gain ground we have to expand the European Campaign to the USA. And there it is up to you, create an initiative that puts pressure on the patent system with assistance of your FTC.
We can support you, bring the software patent war home!
Well the claims are sometimes very broad, for instance "Systems and methods for buying and selling legal services via a network" Claims: [..] A computer-implemented method for procuring legal services, comprising: receiving a service request including information reflecting a type of legal service; determining from a set of service providers a select group of service providers capable of satisfying the service request based on stored information associated with the set of service providers, the stored information including at least an identification of types of legal services associated with each service provider; providing the service request to each service provider of the select group of service providers; receiving a response to the service request from any service providers from the select group; and outputting to the requester any responses from the service providers.[..]
The patent system is broken, consider that as a fact. the individual patent applicant is myth. Industrial economist know about the problems. however, the debate of IPR policy is dominated by patent lawyers. Cui Bono? as the romans wisely asked.
No, Fritz Teufel(IBM), (btw Teufel=devil) is a key person in the Propatent lobby. He drafted Bitkom's statements as well as Eicta's lobby work. He is a patent radical paid by IBM.
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Bruce as head of the Federal Trade Commission??
There must be laws against anti-competitive behaviour in the US! In Germany Sco had to shut up because of competition law.
Whoever spills false rumors about competitors has to be punished.
/* For the record KDevelop is not a new application. */
KDevelop 3 is Gideon, a rewrite branch of Kdevelop and a huge extension. So it IS a new application.
So soon there will be a mature IDE for Linux that is not called emacs.
Lazarus, Hbasic, Gambas and all the other attempts for a modern IDE for programming languages are not ready yet.
You'd better talk to your department of Justice now or ask the ministers of economy to put pressure on the justice ministers. Also for parliamentary initiatives is now the right time.
The council of ministers will decide on nov 10th. They are not bound by the EU parliament's decision as national governments are only accountable to the parliament. And the uk is likely to push for a horribel proposal. Note: now the government groups themselves decide about this issue.
You can track the latest news on this issue via AEL wiki. And there are national European FFII mailing lists, for instance for denmark dk-parl@ffii.org (Mailman Interface)
Both KOffice and Abiword will adopt the OO.org file format! OO may be a technology trap. Concumers want choice. Programmers also want choice. This is not totalitarism, everybody is free to do what he wants.
1 + 1 2!!
Your philosophy is the philosophy of state economy (one factory has the best economies of scale) or the big old industries. A market economy enforces competition.
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You can also use Dosbox to run old dos games on Linux. Or dosemu/freedos but this is more diffiult. Linux can be a good base of a gaming console.
Troll. You cannot exclude qt based environments. This will never succeed.
My personla opinion is that most system software shall be GPL.
the editor variety will be reduced as soon as kate supports a few lacking features. Esp. bidi. 3.2 will be a great improvement.
But why does he chose Gnome? Gnome is not suited for the user desktop right now. I understand that he likes gnome, but it is not ready yet. In Europe Linux on the desktop means Linux/KDE. You cannot sell Gnome to the enterprises. Gnome seems to look like a conservative corporate desktop environment. So it is no fun anymore, but users don't want a grey dressed desktop.
* KDE seems haunted by bad luck - everyone with a name (contrary to the polled masses, maybe) picks Gnome over them. *
In the USA perhaps because of RedHat. For desktop usage KDE has no alternative. Gnome 1.x was a hacker desktop. gnome 2.x became a "conservative corporate" de.
BTW: KDE will also include gtk support.
QT is GPLed for Free Software usage Well: commercial = non GPL LGPL causes license variety. Yes, you can write commercial=closed source=nonFree-Software with a LGPL license. Qt is a wonderful easy, good structured toolkit, quite mature. When you want to write non-free Software with qt you have to pay. This is an easy model. And there is also no danger that trolltech will be overtaken by a mayor company because it is a hacker company with a contract with its users. I think Novell/IBM takeover of Ximian may be very dangerous for the freedom of software, hmm?
Nonsense, the default configuration may look similar, but you can configure the KDE desktop to look what you want it. Gnome is great but not for the desktop. Bruce simply ignores the market. RedHat made the same mistake but outside RedHats market only few users prefer Gnome.
Well and if you write GPL software you don't have to pay. I think the business model of Trolltech is quite fair and has a gpl licensing incentive while the gtk world causes a multi-license environment.
When you write "commercial" (here=nongpl software) you have to pay for the toolkit. Well, that's very normal and the fee isn't very high.
qt is really wonderful, I believe its the best structured toolkit for this purpose.
What applications weren't written because companies coulnd't afford QT?
KDE is the leading DE on the desktop. Bruce is a nut. I also don't understand what this Userlinus was for. If he wanted a mature desktop linux distro with a few millions from the market, why doesn't he buy the company Mandrake Linux?
Despite the fact that ximian put so much spin on Gnome (KDE-Bashing, false accusations against qt, Suse will drop KDE nonsens ecc.) I would suggest that *today* Linux desktop means KDE.
Unfortunately Gnome lacks behind. RedHat committed themselves to Gnome what turned out to be a misktake. Today they are not intrested in the desktop market anymore. RedHat never supported KDE sufficiently.
Remember Ximians said ealier this year Mono 1.0 will be there in the end of this year. Vapor-marketing.
I believe we shall better focus on a stable common desktop. We shall stop with unfair bashing of other DE. Some use gnome, others KDE, Gnustep ecc.
Nothing wrong with it. But the way Freedesktop is used in the battle for Gnome promotion shows a lack of understanding what it was for: to bridge the gap, to improve interoperability.
KDE's opinion always was that
Freedesktop shall be a common platform.
http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/enisa/index .html
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In fact that is true. It was initiated by the BSA and its Eu-Parl servants Plooij van gorsel and McCarthy
Initators of ENISA are software patent lover Arlene McCarthy (UK labour) and the doubtful European Internet Foundation (see disinfopedia).
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Association Electronic Libre (Belgium) has monitored the ENISA situation
It is probably initiated by Business Software Alliance. Many observers regard the EIF as a parliaments prostitution camp. This may be a strong comment. However, I guess ENISA will promote Digital Rights Magemenent, Palladium and so on. It will not compare to well respected security institutions like German BSI.
I know the key persons and we knwo the aganda.
The real question is how to fix the patent system. IBM (ie. PA Fritz Teufel) pressures for EU software patents. up to now they were successfully defeated. However, in order to gain ground we have to expand the European Campaign to the USA. And there it is up to you, create an initiative that puts pressure on the patent system with assistance of your FTC.
We can support you, bring the software patent war home!
http://www.noepatents.org
http://wiki.ael.be
http://swpat.ffii.org
http://softwarepatents.co.uk
I would also like to remind you of UN World summit Of the Information Society. It may be the right place to raise the issue.
Well the claims are sometimes very broad, for instance "Systems and methods for buying and selling legal services via a network"
Claims:
[..] A computer-implemented method for procuring legal services, comprising: receiving a service request including information reflecting a type of legal service; determining from a set of service providers a select group of service providers capable of satisfying the service request based on stored information associated with the set of service providers, the stored information including at least an identification of types of legal services associated with each service provider; providing the service request to each service provider of the select group of service providers; receiving a response to the service request from any service providers from the select group; and outputting to the requester any responses from the service providers.[..]
The patent system is broken, consider that as a fact. the individual patent applicant is myth. Industrial economist know about the problems. however, the debate of IPR policy is dominated by patent lawyers. Cui Bono? as the romans wisely asked.
Let take a look at IBM's licensing program.
No, Fritz Teufel(IBM), (btw Teufel=devil) is a key person in the Propatent lobby. He drafted Bitkom's statements as well as Eicta's lobby work. He is a patent radical paid by IBM.
I remind you IBM delivered Hollerith tabulators that were used in nazi concentration camps.
IBM Patent attorney Fritz Teufel is a key person in the EU campaign FOR software patents. See also this article
Bruce as head of the Federal Trade Commission?? There must be laws against anti-competitive behaviour in the US! In Germany Sco had to shut up because of competition law. Whoever spills false rumors about competitors has to be punished.
It is less alike than Evolution and a nice piece of software.
/* For the record KDevelop is not a new application. */ KDevelop 3 is Gideon, a rewrite branch of Kdevelop and a huge extension. So it IS a new application. So soon there will be a mature IDE for Linux that is not called emacs. Lazarus, Hbasic, Gambas and all the other attempts for a modern IDE for programming languages are not ready yet.
The lawyers dictate the law.
You'd better talk to your department of Justice now or ask the ministers of economy to put pressure on the justice ministers. Also for parliamentary initiatives is now the right time.
The council of ministers will decide on nov 10th. They are not bound by the EU parliament's decision as national governments are only accountable to the parliament. And the uk is likely to push for a horribel proposal. Note: now the government groups themselves decide about this issue.
Take a look at FFII UK's call for action and adapt it like the German Gnus did.
Or write your own call for action.
You can track the latest news on this issue via AEL wiki. And there are national European FFII mailing lists, for instance for denmark dk-parl@ffii.org (Mailman Interface)
Both KOffice and Abiword will adopt the OO.org file format! OO may be a technology trap. Concumers want choice. Programmers also want choice. This is not totalitarism, everybody is free to do what he wants. 1 + 1 2!! Your philosophy is the philosophy of state economy (one factory has the best economies of scale) or the big old industries. A market economy enforces competition.
This probably refers to the German (Schleswig - Holstein) based initiative 1dok e.V. They want to establish a standard file format for word processing based on XML.