That's how you get out of a recession or depression in a capitalist country. People said the exact same things about FDR that they are saying now about Bush:
-He'll bankrupt everything. -He doesn't know what he's doing. -He should just let the economy work it's own way out of its troubles.
FDR looked at rural Appalachia and saw a region of the country that was fast falling behind the rest of the nation in many ways, simply because they did not have electricity and were not able to afford it even if a corporate coal plant was in the area. So FDR started the TVA on defecit spending. Did his critics scream bloody murder about it? Of course. Did he spend way too much money? Probably. Did he come close to bankrupting the government? Yeah. Did it work? Hell yeah. Not only did it accomplish its primary goal of shoring up Appalachia to get them up to speed with the rest of the country, it employed a lot of people and got men back to work.
Now while I'll give you that Bush doesn't have any programs that are nearly as huge as the TVA, this recession is not nearly as bad as the Great Depression.
Then go buy yourself a bicycle, a treadle sewing machine, a wind up radio and a shakable flashlight... if you combine high tech with muscle power you can accomplish amazing things, and all without foreign oil.
For the most part yes, you're not required to use oil (foriegn or otherwise) to use and reuse these things (though the bicycle will need to be greased from time to time), but much oil is used to make them. Remember, plastic is created directly from oil, and the machines that build bicycles, radios, sewing machines, etc need oil. For that matter our old sewing machine needs oiling from time to time too.
I haven't done it yet (largely because of the cost involved and my current lack of funds), but an open source VOIP system could kick ass and save you money. Phone systems are historically very expensive. It should be possible to run VOIP on your NAT router with an asterisk compatable phone card that supports say, 4 extensions (assuming a small office here). Phones are probably your biggest expense, but a complete phone system is often an order of magnitude higher than what can currently be implemented with VOIP in a small office, at least that's my take on it.
Funny? Hell I'll take a vet over an MD most any time too. As it is, I doctor myself up with veternary supplies. They're simply cheaper. I can legally buy my own general purpose antibiotics and knock out most anything. Wounds I coat down with Blu-Kote wound treatment (typically used for cows and horses of which I have a few). Mammals are mammals for the most part, and if you're not doing surgery, it ain't that big a difference.
Of course I cannot reccomend anyone else do this, but it has worked for me all my years. I am not a doctor nor a veterination, just an old farm hand with a bit of knowledge about critters, of which humans are one.
Hmmm, what are you implying? All evidence I've seen indicates that Linus has a heart, the lion's share of courage (so to speak), plenty of brains, and he's nobody's lapdog. Where does that leave us, hmmm?
Really, the fact that all tools are under a single window hasn't seemed to hurt the Adobe family of products from being wildass popular.
Well now you can have everything in one docked window with tabs if you want. That's not terribly different from Phtotoshop.
Folks seem to like the "one window to bind them" approach. Additionally I (and probably others) can't stand to use GIMP with its bazillion windows cluttering my taskbar (as it gets in the way of quickly ALT-TABing throug different apps).
Then they can dock the windows and it's not that much different. Personally, I prefer having them split up, and from what I've seen, most graphics artists do too. Of course, most of the people who are serious about graphic editing are using dual monitors, and keep all their tool dialogs open on one monitor, and the images on which they are working on the other. Different strokes for different folks.
Sad thing is, that slackware users are really a small number. Most have went to debian or gentoo.
Where do you get off saying that? Personally I don't know a whole lot of former Slackware users who aren't of the "must try the new version of this or that distro as soon as it comes out" group. Yes, there are a lot of former Slackware users who now use Gentoo or Debian.
Here's the shocker. I'll bet you they still use Slackware on some things.
Here's another shocker. I know a lot of Slackware users who are former Debian or Gentoo users.
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If any other country committed such an atrocity against another as the United States did to Japan, we would have World War 3 (it DID cause the cold war, but that's another story). Okay... Japan unsuccessfully attacked a naval base. We nuked two cities without warning, killing thousands.
Alot of people died on both sides of WWII in the Pacific. You are singling out the two events that ended that worst of all wars and saying that they shouldn't have happened. Tell me, in a war, why shouldn't we have nuked those two Japanesse cities? With all the men we were loosing in the war, why not just nuke Japan? It certainly changed the death tally more in our favor and broke the back of Japanesse resistance.
You liberals seem to think that any act of war the US does or did is a bad thing. You may be right in this, but tell me, what alternative do you have? Would you have rather we sent in our boys to take those beaches on Japan's mainland and lost many of those men in the resulting battle?
No, I think it's more likely that you believe out country should have never been in the Second World War. You seem to say that we should have ignored Pearl Harbor, given Hawaii to Japan in an attempt to appease them perhaps? Should we then have just let Japan take all the Pacific, ignored the Rape of Nanking?
War is hell. Sherman taught that to us damn well here in Georgia, and we ain't forgot it over the last 140 years. In war, civilians die. That's a fact of war. No matter how much you try to only strike military targets, civilians will die in a war on both sides. You can either roll over and let your enemies walk all over you, or you can fight back as fiercely and as brutally as it takes to win. There are no other options when your enemy will not listen to reason.
It doesn't have any metadata like what other packages this package requires, etc. Its fine
for what it is but it ain't no package format.
I'm afraid you're incorrect. Slackware's TGZ is a package format. It contains compressed binaries that are unloaded in predetermined locations, includes an executable script that ensures everything goes correctly, and cleans up after itself. If you're looking for dependency checking though, you won't find it.
Why you ask? Because dependency checking is your job as the sysadmin. It is plain irresponsible for a package manager to update core system libraries that other key programs rely upon. Any package manager that thinks it is smarter than you is dangerous.
RPMs and Portage do not handle dependencies responsibly IMO (I can't speak for DEBs having not used them). RPM bitches and moans if I try to install lynx on a machine that doesn't have X. Portage wants to download and compile GTK just to install vi. Things like this are plain ridiculous, and are more than enough reason not to bother with package managers that do dependency checking. When you have to use options like --no-deps or --force, why are you even bothering to use a package manager at all?
At least with Slackware TGZs, you're pretty much garaunteed that they are well thought out, and not built to have a lot of dependencies. RPMs and Portage rely on their ability to resolve dependencies far too much, and wind up requiring major system upgrades just to install basic utilities. No thank you. If I install a TGZ and the binary won't run for a lack of a library, I just install that library from another TGZ, and I'm done. None of this package A requires package B which requires package C which requires package A.
So the point is, we need something equivalent to "Add/Remove Programs" that just *works* on all linux distros.
So what's wrong with this old song and dance?
./configure &&
make &&
make install
Other than taking awhile to compile the occasional large program, it's always worked for me. As far as making a desktop linux for dummies, the idea shouldn't be to have some magic whiz-bang tool that does everything and works on every platform and.... you get the picture. If there is a massive desire to use linux from people who are not competent enough to compile their own packages from source, then major distributions like Mandrake and SuSE will likely offer their own upgrade RPMs or DEBs or what-have-you for download.
I can't really say the same for guns, on the other hand, other than you are a farmer and you need to kill birds and rabbits. I doubt that you fall into that category, given that you are posting on slashdot.
I fall into that category.
I don't really think that's a fair analogy given that there are legitimate uses for Microsoft products.
And there aren't legitimate uses for firearms for people who are not farmers? Give me a break. Girl I know killed a man who was trying to rape her with a gun. Of course, she never had a legitimate use for the gun, right? She shouldn't be allowed to have it, right? And if she does have it, we've got to have some sort of registration program and a system to track the movements of these people (this and worse has been proposed by anti-gun lobbiest in the US), right?
Mr. Hicks, I'm not going to respond to your message because I wrote too much already, but I really liked your last paragraph. There are a bunch of pussys on slashdot. They are lucky that smart Americans like you are around that will vote to keep yourself, and them by happy chance, protected.
consider whether the Gore administration would have dropped the ball so badly when they would have been the same people continuing with their work, instead of a brand new team.
So we should always elect the incumbent's second-in-command because this is the best thing for national security? If Gore had been elected and his administration did a better job for no reason other than ties with Clinton's administration, does that neccessary make Gore a better choice than Bush? By you're thinking Clinton shouldn't have been elected, Bush Sr. should have been the president for two terms. And the Quayle would be president today during his second term.
Man today is not going to be a good day for my karma.
I'm surprised that the DOJ even threatened them with enforcement of this in this case. It should have been obvious to them that pursuing some white hat like this would just bust their pet law.
Who says this is the DOJ's pet law? Congress passed the law if you remember, not the Department of Justice, who is only charged with enforcing the law. I agree that this is an open and shut case in the defendent's favor. So why did the DOJ fight a case that they should know they would loose?
It's karma suicide to say it, but maybe, just maybe, the DOJ doesn't like at least this part of the PATRIOT Act. I guess we will find out if the DOJ makes an appeal.
It's not like they expect the US to give up and remove all our military from the middle east or anything like that...
Then praytell me why are there terrorists attacking our troops in Iraq? During a presidential election year? With a host of democrats saying we should pull out of the country? You are quite simply wrong. The terrorists are seeing a weakness in American resolve to see this through to a democratic Iraq. They see an opportunity to demoralize Americans, and elect a democrat to the Presidency. Then of course, said democrat would pull the troops out of Iraq. That's at least their plan.
Note that I am not saying we should stop criticizing the war because that's what the terrorists want us to do. If that were to happen, then they have won, IMO. Like the war or not, we live in a country where a presidential hopeful can criticize the current administration. That's a good thing. The terrorists have us in what I liken to the damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't tic-tac-toe game, where one player can win two ways, and there's nothing the other can do to stop it. They want Americans to either A) criticize these democrats for criticizing the war, and thus damage our right to free speech, or B) exert enough stress that the American people elect Kerry, Edwards, Dean, or Clark, and the new president pull the troops out of Iraq. That is why they are attacking us, at least in Iraq. There are of course, other goals, such as spreading their radical Islam. (Note: I am a God fearing Christian, but have no hatred of Muslims or the Islam religion. I will not abide though, anyone who kills innocents in the name of whatever god they believe in.)
By "fighting back" and installing all sorts of extra security features, we are only playing right into the terrorists' hand.
I rarely ever say this, but you are a pussy. Since when are you suppossed to let several thousand people die as two flaming towers collapse and just go on as if nothing had happened? You fight back. You kill every damned one of those sons of bitches. It really fuckin' irks me when the liberals here on slashdot have more hatred for Darl McBride than Osama bin Laden. At least Darl isn't a mass murderer.
It is not more efficient to have to get instructions twice, the second time from someone who is not there in front of you.
This man's wife is the exception, not the norm. I'm sorry if you feel that it is wrong to ever stereotype people; you may very well be right. It is not practical to do so, however. Speaking from experience as some one who has built a house, the vast majority of women have no idea what is or is not even feasible, much less what is the best solution overall in a construction problem. While it may inconvience the OP to have to repeat everything his competent wife has said, and it may piss off his competent wife, what about the dozens of incompetent (in the construction field) wives who tell them one thing, and their more competent husbands who tell them another?
I ask you, from the contractor's view, what is worse, listening to the dozens of women who don't know what they are talking about, screwing up the job, and potentially not getting paid for it, or possibly alienating the one in twelve women who do know what they are talking about?
When it comes to how they want a house extension to work, women usually have a *much* better idea of what will work for the family than men do.
I can't speak for you, or for people outside of my area, but I know for a fact that in Lizella GA that is plain wrong. Back that up with some facts, or retract what is obviously an opinion stated as fact.
Imagine going further, having it teach you programming
I don't know about you, but I can't seem to get even the most basic shell scripts right when I dream about computers. I can't verify the truth of the statement, but I've heard it said that the right side of your brain is the side most active during dreams, and it is also the less logical side of your brain. If that's true my first assumption is that dream learning would be mostly worthless for highly logical things like math or programming, but might be useful for art.
Read this on Yahoo! News a few hours ago. Welcome to Slashdot, ever the relevant news rehasher.
Oh give me a break. So if you're not the first group to break a story you are rehashing it? Aren't all news outlets guilty of that? If a news site only put out news that no one else had covered already, you'd have to visit every single news site to get the most up to date coverage. No, Slashdot doesn't report a lot of things before other people do; that's not its purpose. Its purpose is to be a news site that reports on the most relevant stuff for nerds, and offer those same nerds a place to voice their concerns among one another, or just general rant and rave. It does this good, do stop your bitching. No one's making you come here you know?
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That's how you get out of a recession or depression in a capitalist country. People said the exact same things about FDR that they are saying now about Bush:
-He'll bankrupt everything.
-He doesn't know what he's doing.
-He should just let the economy work it's own way out of its troubles.
FDR looked at rural Appalachia and saw a region of the country that was fast falling behind the rest of the nation in many ways, simply because they did not have electricity and were not able to afford it even if a corporate coal plant was in the area. So FDR started the TVA on defecit spending. Did his critics scream bloody murder about it? Of course. Did he spend way too much money? Probably. Did he come close to bankrupting the government? Yeah. Did it work? Hell yeah. Not only did it accomplish its primary goal of shoring up Appalachia to get them up to speed with the rest of the country, it employed a lot of people and got men back to work.
Now while I'll give you that Bush doesn't have any programs that are nearly as huge as the TVA, this recession is not nearly as bad as the Great Depression.
Moreover the fact that it says "No State" excludes the US military, a federal institution.
For the most part yes, you're not required to use oil (foriegn or otherwise) to use and reuse these things (though the bicycle will need to be greased from time to time), but much oil is used to make them. Remember, plastic is created directly from oil, and the machines that build bicycles, radios, sewing machines, etc need oil. For that matter our old sewing machine needs oiling from time to time too.
I haven't done it yet (largely because of the cost involved and my current lack of funds), but an open source VOIP system could kick ass and save you money. Phone systems are historically very expensive. It should be possible to run VOIP on your NAT router with an asterisk compatable phone card that supports say, 4 extensions (assuming a small office here). Phones are probably your biggest expense, but a complete phone system is often an order of magnitude higher than what can currently be implemented with VOIP in a small office, at least that's my take on it.
Maybe it was eclipsed?
I don't know where you come from but down here I've never seen a house stood up on its side.
Funny? Hell I'll take a vet over an MD most any time too. As it is, I doctor myself up with veternary supplies. They're simply cheaper. I can legally buy my own general purpose antibiotics and knock out most anything. Wounds I coat down with Blu-Kote wound treatment (typically used for cows and horses of which I have a few). Mammals are mammals for the most part, and if you're not doing surgery, it ain't that big a difference.
Of course I cannot reccomend anyone else do this, but it has worked for me all my years. I am not a doctor nor a veterination, just an old farm hand with a bit of knowledge about critters, of which humans are one.
Dorothy of course.
Well now you can have everything in one docked window with tabs if you want. That's not terribly different from Phtotoshop.
Then they can dock the windows and it's not that much different. Personally, I prefer having them split up, and from what I've seen, most graphics artists do too. Of course, most of the people who are serious about graphic editing are using dual monitors, and keep all their tool dialogs open on one monitor, and the images on which they are working on the other. Different strokes for different folks.
What did you try exactly? Assuming this is a standard floppy disk making a dd of the disk should work.
# dd if=/dev/fd0 of =/tmp/trblshtr.img
# dd if=/tmp/trblshtr.imp of=/dev/fd0
That should almost certainly work as it copies the entire file system on the floppy disk.
Where do you get off saying that? Personally I don't know a whole lot of former Slackware users who aren't of the "must try the new version of this or that distro as soon as it comes out" group. Yes, there are a lot of former Slackware users who now use Gentoo or Debian.
Here's the shocker. I'll bet you they still use Slackware on some things.
Here's another shocker. I know a lot of Slackware users who are former Debian or Gentoo users.
Why don't they just do what I plan to do?
Decompose.
Alot of people died on both sides of WWII in the Pacific. You are singling out the two events that ended that worst of all wars and saying that they shouldn't have happened. Tell me, in a war, why shouldn't we have nuked those two Japanesse cities? With all the men we were loosing in the war, why not just nuke Japan? It certainly changed the death tally more in our favor and broke the back of Japanesse resistance.
You liberals seem to think that any act of war the US does or did is a bad thing. You may be right in this, but tell me, what alternative do you have? Would you have rather we sent in our boys to take those beaches on Japan's mainland and lost many of those men in the resulting battle?
No, I think it's more likely that you believe out country should have never been in the Second World War. You seem to say that we should have ignored Pearl Harbor, given Hawaii to Japan in an attempt to appease them perhaps? Should we then have just let Japan take all the Pacific, ignored the Rape of Nanking?
War is hell. Sherman taught that to us damn well here in Georgia, and we ain't forgot it over the last 140 years. In war, civilians die. That's a fact of war. No matter how much you try to only strike military targets, civilians will die in a war on both sides. You can either roll over and let your enemies walk all over you, or you can fight back as fiercely and as brutally as it takes to win. There are no other options when your enemy will not listen to reason.
I'm afraid you're incorrect. Slackware's TGZ is a package format. It contains compressed binaries that are unloaded in predetermined locations, includes an executable script that ensures everything goes correctly, and cleans up after itself. If you're looking for dependency checking though, you won't find it.
Why you ask? Because dependency checking is your job as the sysadmin. It is plain irresponsible for a package manager to update core system libraries that other key programs rely upon. Any package manager that thinks it is smarter than you is dangerous.
RPMs and Portage do not handle dependencies responsibly IMO (I can't speak for DEBs having not used them). RPM bitches and moans if I try to install lynx on a machine that doesn't have X. Portage wants to download and compile GTK just to install vi. Things like this are plain ridiculous, and are more than enough reason not to bother with package managers that do dependency checking. When you have to use options like --no-deps or --force, why are you even bothering to use a package manager at all?
At least with Slackware TGZs, you're pretty much garaunteed that they are well thought out, and not built to have a lot of dependencies. RPMs and Portage rely on their ability to resolve dependencies far too much, and wind up requiring major system upgrades just to install basic utilities. No thank you. If I install a TGZ and the binary won't run for a lack of a library, I just install that library from another TGZ, and I'm done. None of this package A requires package B which requires package C which requires package A.
So what's wrong with this old song and dance?
./configure &&
make &&
make install
Other than taking awhile to compile the occasional large program, it's always worked for me. As far as making a desktop linux for dummies, the idea shouldn't be to have some magic whiz-bang tool that does everything and works on every platform and.... you get the picture. If there is a massive desire to use linux from people who are not competent enough to compile their own packages from source, then major distributions like Mandrake and SuSE will likely offer their own upgrade RPMs or DEBs or what-have-you for download.
I fall into that category.
And there aren't legitimate uses for firearms for people who are not farmers? Give me a break. Girl I know killed a man who was trying to rape her with a gun. Of course, she never had a legitimate use for the gun, right? She shouldn't be allowed to have it, right? And if she does have it, we've got to have some sort of registration program and a system to track the movements of these people (this and worse has been proposed by anti-gun lobbiest in the US), right?
Why? Feel ashamed to have muddied yourself with lesser distros because you fell victum to the temptation of automagic tools?
Come back to the light man. It's better over here.
Thank you.
So we should always elect the incumbent's second-in-command because this is the best thing for national security? If Gore had been elected and his administration did a better job for no reason other than ties with Clinton's administration, does that neccessary make Gore a better choice than Bush? By you're thinking Clinton shouldn't have been elected, Bush Sr. should have been the president for two terms. And the Quayle would be president today during his second term.
Man today is not going to be a good day for my karma.
Who says this is the DOJ's pet law? Congress passed the law if you remember, not the Department of Justice, who is only charged with enforcing the law. I agree that this is an open and shut case in the defendent's favor. So why did the DOJ fight a case that they should know they would loose?
It's karma suicide to say it, but maybe, just maybe, the DOJ doesn't like at least this part of the PATRIOT Act. I guess we will find out if the DOJ makes an appeal.
Then praytell me why are there terrorists attacking our troops in Iraq? During a presidential election year? With a host of democrats saying we should pull out of the country? You are quite simply wrong. The terrorists are seeing a weakness in American resolve to see this through to a democratic Iraq. They see an opportunity to demoralize Americans, and elect a democrat to the Presidency. Then of course, said democrat would pull the troops out of Iraq. That's at least their plan.
Note that I am not saying we should stop criticizing the war because that's what the terrorists want us to do. If that were to happen, then they have won, IMO. Like the war or not, we live in a country where a presidential hopeful can criticize the current administration. That's a good thing. The terrorists have us in what I liken to the damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't tic-tac-toe game, where one player can win two ways, and there's nothing the other can do to stop it. They want Americans to either A) criticize these democrats for criticizing the war, and thus damage our right to free speech, or B) exert enough stress that the American people elect Kerry, Edwards, Dean, or Clark, and the new president pull the troops out of Iraq. That is why they are attacking us, at least in Iraq. There are of course, other goals, such as spreading their radical Islam. (Note: I am a God fearing Christian, but have no hatred of Muslims or the Islam religion. I will not abide though, anyone who kills innocents in the name of whatever god they believe in.)
I rarely ever say this, but you are a pussy. Since when are you suppossed to let several thousand people die as two flaming towers collapse and just go on as if nothing had happened? You fight back. You kill every damned one of those sons of bitches. It really fuckin' irks me when the liberals here on slashdot have more hatred for Darl McBride than Osama bin Laden. At least Darl isn't a mass murderer.
This man's wife is the exception, not the norm. I'm sorry if you feel that it is wrong to ever stereotype people; you may very well be right. It is not practical to do so, however. Speaking from experience as some one who has built a house, the vast majority of women have no idea what is or is not even feasible, much less what is the best solution overall in a construction problem. While it may inconvience the OP to have to repeat everything his competent wife has said, and it may piss off his competent wife, what about the dozens of incompetent (in the construction field) wives who tell them one thing, and their more competent husbands who tell them another?
I ask you, from the contractor's view, what is worse, listening to the dozens of women who don't know what they are talking about, screwing up the job, and potentially not getting paid for it, or possibly alienating the one in twelve women who do know what they are talking about?
I can't speak for you, or for people outside of my area, but I know for a fact that in Lizella GA that is plain wrong. Back that up with some facts, or retract what is obviously an opinion stated as fact.
I don't know about you, but I can't seem to get even the most basic shell scripts right when I dream about computers. I can't verify the truth of the statement, but I've heard it said that the right side of your brain is the side most active during dreams, and it is also the less logical side of your brain. If that's true my first assumption is that dream learning would be mostly worthless for highly logical things like math or programming, but might be useful for art.
you whipppersnappers and your newfangled tongues! Back in my day we just sat around and worked on inventing language!
Oh give me a break. So if you're not the first group to break a story you are rehashing it? Aren't all news outlets guilty of that? If a news site only put out news that no one else had covered already, you'd have to visit every single news site to get the most up to date coverage. No, Slashdot doesn't report a lot of things before other people do; that's not its purpose. Its purpose is to be a news site that reports on the most relevant stuff for nerds, and offer those same nerds a place to voice their concerns among one another, or just general rant and rave. It does this good, do stop your bitching. No one's making you come here you know?