Run Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, and KDevelop. That's four entire widget libraries running at once. Four ways of drawing primitives. Four ways of displayig a button and checking for user input. It's hysterical and sad. Evolution gravitates toward standards (like the human genome), and it's time for desktop Linux to evolve.
You're talking about two different platforms. Linux should strive to be one platform--think about how cool it would be if a Linux desktop app ran on any and all flavors of Linux just by copying over the same application bundle. It would kick Java's butt at the idea of "write once, run anywhere." But, that's not gonna happen because some people are narrow-minded and afraid of change, so we'll be stuck with installing both KDE and Gnome for another ten years.
I laugh at people who think you can create a standard before any experimentation has occurred.
We've had over ten years of Linux desktop "experimentation."
If you're wanting Linux to get popular on the desktop, you need a universal API with a universal installation/uninstallation system so that developers can contribute to a seamless experience. Right now, poor users still have to install two entire desktop environments just to run apps from both. On your average desktop Linux system, you have:
OpenOffice
Firefox
KDE
Gnome
That right there is four different widget APIs, four different ways of handling a string, etc. It's bloat and redundancy of the worst kind, and it's stubborn people like you who don't want the problem fixed, possibly because you fear change or you have some strange commitment to the idea of keeping redundant APIs in memory. It's no wonder people have written off Linux on the desktop as a punchline.
Besides which, you're the one that changed this from being a discussion about open platforms like Linux, to being a discussion about APIs.
No, someone else responded to the article's comment on desktop Linux becoming an anarchy of contradictory APIs, and I agreed. It sounds like you're one of these guys who just likes to argue.
Talk about a non sequitur. This has nothing to do with a free market and everything to do with contradictory APIs making it difficult to establish a standard desktop development process. Contrary to what you imply, free market does not mean lack of standards.
It shows just how much an impact the announcement of this device has made, and how it will probably revolutionize the market the way the iPod revolutionized its market. Guess what, when there's an iPhone story, you don't have to click "Read More," read the story, click "Reply," and type a post. Yep, you can actually skip all that and just scroll to the next story on the front page. It's amazing; try it.
I thought it was a perfectly valid point. If you want to make a desktop app for Linux, right out of the gate you have to deal with competing desktop environments, competing APIs, and competing package managers. There's no standard, seamless experience across the board.
And you would be completely, utterly wrong. Please, get out of the dorm room and get a job in the real world. I'm sure you wouldn't want to do a day's work of coding and then not have your boss pay you because "you lose all rights to anything you put out into the world."
I'm not conflating anything together. This all boils down to trademarks and copyrights, which Slashdotters are normally against except when "one of their own" is the target of infringement--such as a demoscener, open source developers writing GPL code, and so forth. That was my point, and it still stands.
Did you even bother listening to the sound clips? This isn't a freakin' three-chord progression. It's the same tempo, same beat, same bass line, and same melody.
Wow, there's nothing in your post that proves it's not OS X. A new interface and the fact Apple isn't letting third-parties run on it magically means it's not OS X? Just because you believe it doesn't have the resources to run an embedded version of OS X? And when did Steve Jobs ever say they needed Google's "help" to implement the maps feature? They simply worked with them, which is a market-speak way of saying they partnered up in the search features of the iPhone.
But it is running a variant of OS X. The very fact it has Cocoa and Core Animation means it has Objective-C and AppKit (and not only that, but a version derived from Leopard) and probably some stripped-down version of Darwin.
I've been seeing these kinds of comments a lot lately. Why is it hard for some people to accept that this is a mobile version of OS X?
What really strikes me is how much Slashdotters go on and on about how competition is good...but then they turn around and claim HD-DVD versus Blu-ray is bad and "childish." Uh, they are two competing formats, which is good. It means each will try to undercut the other in prices, outdo the other in specs, and try to have a wider library of titles. You know, the whole "competition is good" thing you guys spout every other time.
That makes me wonder, what is it about Blu-ray versus HD-DVD that makes Slashdotters not want any competition in the free market?
The porn industry didn't "choose HD-DVD." See, this is why I don't like Slashdot and its exaggerated headlines. People read just the summaries and form their whole worldview off of them.
That format has killed itself by Sony's arrogant attitude. History has shown that locked-in, porn-shy formats always loose.
Disney will be Blu-ray only which pretty much guarantees its success, Betamax didn't lose because of porn (it lost because of short running time), and porn these days is already free on the Internet.
Because some people want a big, expensive nanny government controlling everything and imposing their particular viewpoint on everybody else. Other people think citizens should just control themselves, and if they want to use the metric system, they should go for it because the government has more important things to do.
You're apologizing for the school board not airing a political film from a Democrat trying to launch an election campaign?
Sigh...I shouldn't even bother posting in this story. Knowing Slashdot's political leanings, everyone here will think it's totally okay to show a movie about Al Gore (it's not about global warming...it's about Al Gore giving presentations about global warming) in classrooms.
Is there no objective documentary presented by scientists that they could show instead?
Um...I don't think Al Gore's political film should be shown in schools, either. Regardless of what you think causes global warming or the "science" in Al Gore's film, the fact is that the film is mostly about him going around the country giving his presentations and criticizing the Bush administration. It's a political film.
Of course it shouldn't be shown. Surely there is some sort of objective documentary about global warming they can show instead?
The only DRM you'll find is in purchases from iTunes, and they have to have that for record companies to play along. It's the fairest, most liberal DRM out there, and if you don't want it on your system, just don't buy from iTunes.
I've never gotten people like you who act like OS X is ridden with DRM the way Vista is. You don't have to deal with DRM whatsoever on a Mac if you don't want to.
Or, it's like using a bag of flour in a cocaine bust or a cop posing as a 13-year-old girl to catch a predator. You know, stuff cops do all the time to catch people breaking the law, just like pirates.
Does anyone remember 2000? When Napster was sued, everybody here said companies should go after individual infringers instead of P2P companies. Well, when they started doing that, Slashdot changed their position and said that was wrong too. I believe it's because when people first suggested going after infringers, they were doing it thinking these companies would never actually do it, so it was safe to suggest it. But the companies took your advice, and now your precious piracy networks are threatened, oh no!
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Who's "blaming" Google Earth? Are they supposed to not report it because we like Google?
Huh? What would leaning to the right have to do with shutting down Google Earth?
Run Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP, and KDevelop. That's four entire widget libraries running at once. Four ways of drawing primitives. Four ways of displayig a button and checking for user input. It's hysterical and sad. Evolution gravitates toward standards (like the human genome), and it's time for desktop Linux to evolve.
You're talking about two different platforms. Linux should strive to be one platform--think about how cool it would be if a Linux desktop app ran on any and all flavors of Linux just by copying over the same application bundle. It would kick Java's butt at the idea of "write once, run anywhere." But, that's not gonna happen because some people are narrow-minded and afraid of change, so we'll be stuck with installing both KDE and Gnome for another ten years.
We've had over ten years of Linux desktop "experimentation."
If you're wanting Linux to get popular on the desktop, you need a universal API with a universal installation/uninstallation system so that developers can contribute to a seamless experience. Right now, poor users still have to install two entire desktop environments just to run apps from both. On your average desktop Linux system, you have:
That right there is four different widget APIs, four different ways of handling a string, etc. It's bloat and redundancy of the worst kind, and it's stubborn people like you who don't want the problem fixed, possibly because you fear change or you have some strange commitment to the idea of keeping redundant APIs in memory. It's no wonder people have written off Linux on the desktop as a punchline.
No, someone else responded to the article's comment on desktop Linux becoming an anarchy of contradictory APIs, and I agreed. It sounds like you're one of these guys who just likes to argue.
Talk about a non sequitur. This has nothing to do with a free market and everything to do with contradictory APIs making it difficult to establish a standard desktop development process. Contrary to what you imply, free market does not mean lack of standards.
It shows just how much an impact the announcement of this device has made, and how it will probably revolutionize the market the way the iPod revolutionized its market. Guess what, when there's an iPhone story, you don't have to click "Read More," read the story, click "Reply," and type a post. Yep, you can actually skip all that and just scroll to the next story on the front page. It's amazing; try it.
I thought it was a perfectly valid point. If you want to make a desktop app for Linux, right out of the gate you have to deal with competing desktop environments, competing APIs, and competing package managers. There's no standard, seamless experience across the board.
You do have rights over your content after it's been released.
Wow. Easiest counterargument ever. Any others I can knock out of the park while I'm here?
And you would be completely, utterly wrong. Please, get out of the dorm room and get a job in the real world. I'm sure you wouldn't want to do a day's work of coding and then not have your boss pay you because "you lose all rights to anything you put out into the world."
Next.
I'm not conflating anything together. This all boils down to trademarks and copyrights, which Slashdotters are normally against except when "one of their own" is the target of infringement--such as a demoscener, open source developers writing GPL code, and so forth. That was my point, and it still stands.
Did you even bother listening to the sound clips? This isn't a freakin' three-chord progression. It's the same tempo, same beat, same bass line, and same melody.
Why? It's pretty much the partyline that Slashdotters put out in every piracy article. Not to troll, but come on.
But we're talking "meaningful sense" here, people! In the meaningful sense! Didn't you read the summary? Meaningful sense!
Wow, there's nothing in your post that proves it's not OS X. A new interface and the fact Apple isn't letting third-parties run on it magically means it's not OS X? Just because you believe it doesn't have the resources to run an embedded version of OS X? And when did Steve Jobs ever say they needed Google's "help" to implement the maps feature? They simply worked with them, which is a market-speak way of saying they partnered up in the search features of the iPhone.
It's OS X. Deal with it, people.
But it is running a variant of OS X. The very fact it has Cocoa and Core Animation means it has Objective-C and AppKit (and not only that, but a version derived from Leopard) and probably some stripped-down version of Darwin.
I've been seeing these kinds of comments a lot lately. Why is it hard for some people to accept that this is a mobile version of OS X?
What really strikes me is how much Slashdotters go on and on about how competition is good...but then they turn around and claim HD-DVD versus Blu-ray is bad and "childish." Uh, they are two competing formats, which is good. It means each will try to undercut the other in prices, outdo the other in specs, and try to have a wider library of titles. You know, the whole "competition is good" thing you guys spout every other time.
That makes me wonder, what is it about Blu-ray versus HD-DVD that makes Slashdotters not want any competition in the free market?
The porn industry didn't "choose HD-DVD." See, this is why I don't like Slashdot and its exaggerated headlines. People read just the summaries and form their whole worldview off of them.
Disney will be Blu-ray only which pretty much guarantees its success, Betamax didn't lose because of porn (it lost because of short running time), and porn these days is already free on the Internet.
Because some people want a big, expensive nanny government controlling everything and imposing their particular viewpoint on everybody else. Other people think citizens should just control themselves, and if they want to use the metric system, they should go for it because the government has more important things to do.
You're apologizing for the school board not airing a political film from a Democrat trying to launch an election campaign?
Sigh...I shouldn't even bother posting in this story. Knowing Slashdot's political leanings, everyone here will think it's totally okay to show a movie about Al Gore (it's not about global warming...it's about Al Gore giving presentations about global warming) in classrooms.
Is there no objective documentary presented by scientists that they could show instead?
Um...I don't think Al Gore's political film should be shown in schools, either. Regardless of what you think causes global warming or the "science" in Al Gore's film, the fact is that the film is mostly about him going around the country giving his presentations and criticizing the Bush administration. It's a political film.
Of course it shouldn't be shown. Surely there is some sort of objective documentary about global warming they can show instead?
The only DRM you'll find is in purchases from iTunes, and they have to have that for record companies to play along. It's the fairest, most liberal DRM out there, and if you don't want it on your system, just don't buy from iTunes.
I've never gotten people like you who act like OS X is ridden with DRM the way Vista is. You don't have to deal with DRM whatsoever on a Mac if you don't want to.
Or, it's like using a bag of flour in a cocaine bust or a cop posing as a 13-year-old girl to catch a predator. You know, stuff cops do all the time to catch people breaking the law, just like pirates.
Does anyone remember 2000? When Napster was sued, everybody here said companies should go after individual infringers instead of P2P companies. Well, when they started doing that, Slashdot changed their position and said that was wrong too. I believe it's because when people first suggested going after infringers, they were doing it thinking these companies would never actually do it, so it was safe to suggest it. But the companies took your advice, and now your precious piracy networks are threatened, oh no!