Number three, scheduling. Plenty of good solutions there too.
Hey, enlighten me, right now I think this is a weak spot in the linux world.
Can you throw out some good solutions?
Right now I am experimenting with evolution, and that may be an answer, but I still see linux groupware as weak at this point.
Corporations see a lot of value in exchange and lotus collaborative solutions. The ones that I see moving to linux based, servers anyway, mail solutions don't seem to need groupware functionality.
How do we combat this?
Actually I see your number 4 reason as being the crux. Number 4, portals to the real computers in the backoffice. As organizations start consolidating there wildly dispersed solutions into proper, server side, data protected, environments; thick terminals start to make a lot of sense to the powers that be.
This is were open source can shine given the opportunity. It has to do with service. The problem has only partially to do with cheap
Any medium to large enterprise, even some small ones, spend a bundle on administration and user training, no matter what they run on the inside.
Often times organizations forgo spending money on support because there is no room in the budget for it. Open source gives the technically minded the oppurtunity to provide support for products that they may build or just know intuitively.
The organization can save money because they do not need to pay for the software, and can defer the cost to training and application support, thereby, gaining productivity, usefulness and stability they were previously unable to obtain.
The cost and quality of microsoft products makes buying additional support out of reach and leaves companies "firefighting" stupid microsoft product bugs.
The open source community must provide exceptional levels of support in order to break the desktop barrier. Thats my vision and I'm sticking to it!
I sure hope my buddy Bill does not get wind of this;-)
How else can you explain that office workers in the 70's enjoyably used mainframes running (*gasp*) non-Microsoft, non-GUI OSes...snip
I remember Sally Secretary complaining how the new windows workstation (prob 98) was far harder to use than her old beloved Main Frame terminal. Tasks, to her, were much easier to accomplish on the green screen and took less time.
I think Sally Secretary would like it, if it was set up properly and all her tools were at her fingertips.
Personally, I dig window maker, but it takes a lot of work to get it set up so all your tools are in place. KDE does a nice default and it does have a help button.
There is more to deployment than installing an OS.
Router code upgrade on ciscos can be easy if your lucky and do your homework.
I cant wait till next week when all the botched attemps to upgrade ios code get problematic.
People will be breaking things they didn't even know they had.
hire a professional;-)
But seriously, take a look at the workaround on ciscos site, it is not that difficult and can keep you up and running while you are waiting for your file. Or just get your management to buy support. Support is worth what it costs your organization if your network is down.
Its kind of like driving your car on an empty tank, sure you may go a few miles without spending any additional money, but when you run out of gas the car stops running.
Why you would replace bash is beyond me. But hey, you build what you build. Obviously this guy didn't build something that could keep him gainfully employed while doing his hobby. You got to sell the hobby to people. Someone else will pick up the code and run with it, got to love gpl.
Notes sucks, crossover office from http://www.codeweavers.com/ runs it very well. You do have to pay but its worth it if you have to run notes. Getting wine to work with notes is like pulling teeth. Crossover plugin rules,quicktime on linux.
To get into my house, you need to have my key, or a copy of my key. If I let you look at my key, you won't be able to copy it; you have to have my key in your possession to make a copy.
I think if I wanted to get into your house I would probably use a hammer. You do have windows right?
Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now. ok i'll step up
It really sucks trying to use vi when you have to edit a config file and really have not the slightest idea what vi is. mp rules!
Give me a gui any day. I like having 10 wterms going along with netscape, tkdesk, etc. CLI doesn't have to be so painful, especially when it is integrated into a workstation environment.
Yes, I too recently got a letter from Microsoft Attorneys asking me to change the name of the viewing devices attached to my house. They claimed that because I actually get more functionality from the glass viewing devices it blurred the functionality of the registered microsoft product called "Windows". Fearing future litigious actions I felt complelled to comply, hence the name glass viewing devices.
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Number three, scheduling. Plenty of good solutions there too.
Hey, enlighten me, right now I think this is a weak spot in the linux world.
Can you throw out some good solutions?
Right now I am experimenting with evolution, and that may be an answer, but I still see linux groupware as weak at this point.
Corporations see a lot of value in exchange and lotus collaborative solutions. The ones that I see moving to linux based, servers anyway, mail solutions don't seem to need groupware functionality.
How do we combat this?
Actually I see your number 4 reason as being the crux.
Number 4, portals to the real computers in the backoffice.
As organizations start consolidating there wildly dispersed solutions into proper, server side, data protected, environments; thick terminals start to make a lot of sense to the powers that be.
This is were open source can shine given the opportunity. It has to do with service. The problem has only partially to do with cheap
Any medium to large enterprise, even some small ones, spend a bundle on administration and user training, no matter what they run on the inside.
Often times organizations forgo spending money on support because there is no room in the budget for it. Open source gives the technically minded the oppurtunity to provide support for products that they may build or just know intuitively.
The organization can save money because they do not need to pay for the software, and can defer the cost to training and application support, thereby, gaining productivity, usefulness and stability they were previously unable to obtain.
The cost and quality of microsoft products makes buying additional support out of reach and leaves companies "firefighting" stupid microsoft product bugs.
The open source community must provide exceptional levels of support in order to break the desktop barrier. Thats my vision and I'm sticking to it!
I sure hope my buddy Bill does not get wind of this;-)
How else can you explain that office workers in the 70's enjoyably used mainframes running (*gasp*) non-Microsoft, non-GUI OSes...snip
I remember Sally Secretary complaining how the new windows workstation (prob 98) was far harder to use than her old beloved Main Frame terminal. Tasks, to her, were much easier to accomplish on the green screen and took less time.
Maybe you should check out KDE.
I think Sally Secretary would like it, if it was set up properly and all her tools were at her fingertips.
Personally, I dig window maker, but it takes a lot of work to get it set up so all your tools are in place. KDE does a nice default and it does have a help button.
There is more to deployment than installing an OS.
This is easy?!?
Router code upgrade on ciscos can be easy if your lucky and do your homework.
I cant wait till next week when all the botched attemps to upgrade ios code get problematic.
People will be breaking things they didn't even know they had.
hire a professional;-)
But seriously, take a look at the workaround on ciscos site, it is not that difficult and can keep you up and running while you are waiting for your file.
Or just get your management to buy support. Support is worth what it costs your organization if your network is down.
Its kind of like driving your car on an empty tank, sure you may go a few miles without spending any additional money, but when you run out of gas the car stops running.
Maybe you have buffer problems in your routers;-)
I am but I luckily don't ever have to mess with them(cisco routers).
Right on dude, thats the attitude I love to hear, give me a buzz, I'll take charge of your cisco equipment;-)
Why you would replace bash is beyond me. But hey, you build what you build. Obviously this guy didn't build something that could keep him gainfully employed while doing his hobby. You got to sell the hobby to people. Someone else will pick up the code and run with it, got to love gpl.
It sounds as if SCO is trying to defraud IBM, as well as discredit the entire linux/gnu evolutionary step.
What I don't get is, when did IBM put code into the linux kernel? Wouldn't we know what code got put in by IBM?
But you have fine web skills.
Call it ebonix.
I wish with my watch included the year.
Great, a BGP civil service exam.
cant wait to take that one
man works
info works too, just not as gracefully
Notes sucks, crossover office from http://www.codeweavers.com/ runs it very well. You do have to pay but its worth it if you have to run notes. Getting wine to work with notes is like pulling teeth. Crossover plugin rules,quicktime on linux.
To get into my house, you need to have my key, or a copy of my key. If I let you look at my key, you won't be able to copy it; you have to have my key in your possession to make a copy.
I think if I wanted to get into your house I would probably use a hammer. You do have windows right?
There probably less secure than the bar code.
doh! the key is on the kitchen table, all I have is this stupid bar code.
Yes, but if you had an embedded chip, it would facilitate naked entry much more easily.
certainly works better than my zaurus
check out mp its a great editor
http://www.triptico.com/software/mp.html
Sorry, I will get off my soapbox now.
ok i'll step up
It really sucks trying to use vi when you have to edit a config file and really have not the slightest idea what vi is. mp rules!
Give me a gui any day. I like having 10 wterms going along with netscape, tkdesk, etc. CLI doesn't have to be so painful, especially when it is integrated into a workstation environment.
I'm off
The command line does not make for good TV.
My terms look pretty slick;-)
linux and unix shell programming
David Tansley
Bset shell progamming book I've found
nice examples that make it easy to roll your own
Yes, I too recently got a letter from Microsoft Attorneys asking me to change the name of the viewing devices attached to my house. They claimed that because I actually get more functionality from the glass viewing devices it blurred the functionality of the registered microsoft product called "Windows". Fearing future litigious actions I felt complelled to comply, hence the name glass viewing devices.