Besides being completely off-topic to the topic at hand (can I say that)
I have seen this thing written 50 times differently for 50 situations. C'mon at least use something original.
It reminds me of that X-FIlES episode where they are blaming Satanists for things ("The Hand that Wounds" was the English translation of the show) Scully points out that their story has been used by different groups throughout the ages - adding in Jews, Masons etc etc..........
Anyway's
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Yep I'm willing for that peace bit now!!
C'mon get a bit of a sense of humour.
If you knew anything about me you would realise that I would have said the exact opposite things if I was talking to a Christian or anybody that is to rigid in their belief structure.
Yeh people have been persecuted for not "believing" in alot of things call that the human condition if you will;)
Yeh we can drop the flamewar.
But if your really serious about not promoting any hatred on Slashdot how about stopping with this type of nonsense as well.
The religious arguement has been going on since the time of Socrates perhaps earlier who knows (their records haven't survived though) I don't believe that you or I or anybody else is going to come up with the definitive answer
If you really want to read something logical on the situation I suggest you read alittle Bertrand Russell my favourite philosopher perhaps "Why I am not a Christian" or "A Free Man's Worship" or Nietzche or a dozen others. They can examine these issues without the diatribe
Heres hoping that your living a happy productive and unhatefilled life
Hail Eris,
Daala
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Fair enough! I can understand people make fun of Christianity or anything else for that matter. To bad people can't make fun of people that make fun of people that make fun of Christianity (yes I am willing to accept the fact that this is an infinite regress- thank you for proving MY POINT!!)
Seems weird to me that you can make fun of these things but mention the open source movement, Linux or a dozen other "sacred" cows in a funny or disreputable light people like you begin acting exactly like wounded little bull's
You think you offended me?? Now who is the one acting like a 12 year old. Who is the one comparing their brand of humour to Python!!
OK Let's drop the flamewar once you've got the last of the insults off in a flurry of volley's!!
I didn't take your post seriously to begin with!!
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More like Haad up ass!!
Re:I am God. Bow down before me, bitch.
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Well you certainly found me out! For a start I wasn't being irrate I just hate reading posts by knowitall's who think they know everything on any given topic. Secondly I'm not your boy!! I wouldn't want to be associated with a conceited pig like yourself. (By the way as I am writing this I am personally very calm. Your the one that needs to use foul language in his posts what run out of words to use??)
At least I know how to keep my facts straight. If you choose to make fun of people at least make it moderately logical or funny at least your's is neither.
Lots of love
The Ignoramus Baptist Minister
Re:Understanding is what religion obfuscates
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Posit: God exists and is superior -A
Therefore humankind is inferior -B
Inferior beings cannot presume to judge the morality of a Superior being- C
Therefore, no matter how reprehensible his actions may be, we cannot judge God- D
In formal logic your arguement comes out like this:
If A then B, C therefore D (I don't have a keyboard with the right symbols so have worded them)
Do a truth table or a tree on this one it doesn't work my friend!!!
Someone that claims to be such a superior intelligence writing barely witty little pissant stories sure can't structure a sound arguement to save his life. (Go out and get laid, smoke a blunt do something interesting than sitting their worrying about what other people choose to believe in or better still move to an aethiestic country such as China if you can't handle it)
Regards,
A committed aethiest. But one sick of having our ideas espoused by barely literate morons!!
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I would love to hear your empirical evidence for such a sweeping claim
Are you telling me that the Christian's have killed more than 100 million people
Don't forget there where 23 million Russians at least 40 million Germans etc etc etc....
Well how about the great claim to fame of an atheistic society - how many people where killed in the Soviet Union under Communism. Do you even know??, Mao's Cultural Revolution, Pulpot, The French Revolution -need I go on!!
Invoking Godwin's Law I am calling you an ignoramus!!
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"to believe in a Christian God. Just convert to Judiasm. (Jesus was Jewish; why not?)"
This gets my goat all the time. How can he be a Christian God if you are Jewish?? Come on people use your grey sells. Jehovah was the God of the Israelites way way before he was the God of the Christian people's......
PS I am an agnostic...so don't start with any defending the faith and all that shit with me....
I think both sides of the debate are as much full of shit as the other
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A very old philosophical arguement to be sure have you really thought about the logic of what you have just said.
It eventually if taken down to its constituent parts becomes a tautology
God commands what he commands essentially. A very weak premise to be arguing from. In Formal Logic this is actually called a very very weak arguement. It would be far better and more defensible if you are a theist to argue that God's command's are moral because the things he commands are moral or good of independant of him.(kinda that old Platonic thing-look it up it's pretty fucking cool stuff)
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I don't think that is strictly true.
I know that my old Physics teacher would have been offended if you had of told him some of the more colourful views in philosophy extending to the formulation of empirical evidence and how we go about looking for patterns as a natural extension of our African Savanah Scrub mentality. I did this once and he was reduced to calling me a narrow minded ignoramus
Go tell the people at SETI that their search for extra-terrestrial life in the present way they are trying to achieve it is fruitless and you will get the same response.
Shit I have heard about Stephen Jay Gould becoming irrate about people questioning his theories on punctuated equilibria (or is it 'um, my parents attended his address and where quite embarrased by this turn of events) Carl Sagan in his irrate but rational tirade against Velikovsky. Go hang out at www.csicop.org if you want to see what I mean (I am a skeptic by the way but not one reduced to lampooning others)
Anyway's I have also known plenty of atheists who get upset at having their views questioned. Everybody has a reality tunnel that (to borrow an idea from Robert Anton Wilson) that if pierced tends to bleed profanities and insults
That sounds wicked I have alway's had this suspicion??
Seriously how do you find out about them? I love becoming members of whacky groups like this. Tried to join the Flat Earther's but they could see I was not being serious so they refused:(
In all seriousness. This bit of hodge podge has been passed off as serious science for along time
How about reading something from Richard Dawkins eg. "The Selfish Gene" he deflates the whole irrecducible complexity arguement quite easily. Plus the book does not take into account things such as Chaos, Quantum Phenomena as extended to biology etc. etc.
Do yourself a favour and read the pro-evolutionary side of the debate. I read both and come out better for it.
PS. Why does this mean there is a God by the way. Could not have Odin designed mankind, or Zeus, or Shiva etc etc for all you know it could have been
me!!!!!!!!!!!
Please keep going that is some of the funniest stuff I have read in ages. I can't believe people cannot see a good joke write in front of them.
I used to lampoon people like this on/. all the time but now I realise the intent. Good stuff my friend keep it coming
regards
Brother Elijah Brimstoneburntmybottom III
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"Many Native American tribes fought fierce wars over land and territories. (Primitive peoples want lebensraum, too.) These brutal wars have been overlooked by those wishing to portray the Native Americans as some childlike elves living in a sylvan paradise" - cool so that means that committing genocide on them was ok actually being a war-like people they probably thoroughly deserved it, giving them blankets infected with smallpox that's pretty alright to after all they where a warlike people.
Or does it justify the aggression that your own country now perpetuates all over the world- fuck Iraqi children, Children in Libya, Cuba after all they are all war-like people
If this is your panacea for everything believing in gross generalisations than be my guess. Before you go tarring others with the same brush perhaps turn around and have alook at your own culture.
PS I never said that the Indians where childlike elves either. But they also haven't caused as much economic, social or environmental devastation on the North American continent either!!!!
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Whilst I would be the first to admit that I am a fence sitter on this issue (I did not join the Slashdot community to have my ideas reconfirmed by others they aren't that fragile!!)I find it funny that this person was given a -1 rating as a Troll. Ok did he hurt all the little boy's and girl's out there by calling you moron's?? Was that the reason for the negative moderation. But he does make some excellent points.
Whilst all of you jump up and down about the issue of software rights alot of you (and this is generalising) do not seem to give to shit's about freedom being impinged in other area's. How many of you out there are members of Amnesty International, Greenpeace or other such organisations. Is software freedom the only type of freedom that gets you hot under the collar??
Do you really think people in Northern Ireland, the Middle East or Fiji for that matter give 2 shits about the state of software freedom. "Oh it's ok Paddy our country has been controlled by the English for at least a thousand years, but at least our software is free." or another "It's ok we have nothing to eat and no computer to use but at least the boy's and girl's in first world countries can have open sourced software whatever that means??".
Oh that's right we have distributed Linux to Mexican's as another poster has mentioned. Yeh fuck the countries economic equality or alleviation of debt repayments or corruption for that matter they are getting free LINUX after all.
Do not underestimate the importance of what we are doing here my ass!!
Yeh software freedom is important - to bad freedom of religion, congregation, economy, gender, sexual preference etc etc all run a distance away from this very crucial issue!!!
If that were the important thing, we could condemn innocent men whom the populace were convinced were guilty (it has an i in it by the way!) - no this would not be in your self-interest as you there would be the possibility that you would one day fall prey to the same treatment like this meted out to you by the general populace. Basically you would be found guilty of a crime that you did not commit.
Before using such philosophically amibiguous terms such as just and right please define your conceptions of these words....... I have been studying Philosophy on and off for 5 years now and have not heard any good definitions.
What I care about is justice- of course you do it is fundamentally in your self-interest to believe in justice as it is in mine. It basically gives us a social contract with others that allows us to not have our rights infringed upon as long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others.
Don't couch your ideas in POLITICAL rhetoric about what deterrent effect means rather look at it in it's more broad scientific and philosophical implications to society....
For somebody who is not an authoritarian it is funny that YOU can decide what is JUST and RIGHT and on the same token decide what is NEITHER JUST NOR RIGHT (by the way are they mutually exclusive terms??) who died and made you supreme authority on MORAL behaviour???
Please I am intensely interested in your point of you. Or have you not really thought out your arguements properly. Might I suggest some Philosophy courses on MORALITY and SOCIETY they really are quite brilliant.
You said that you do not believe in Authoritarian dogma but then shoot yourself in the foot by claiming that you are a Christian. How can you be at liberty to do whatever you want when you have to follow COMMANDMENTS and believe in a certain moral and religious code: That Jesus was the Son of God and came down here to die for your sins....
This is the ultimate irony. These are Authoritarian views. Authoritarian means that you subscribe to beliefs or values of people that are above yourself. You do there names are Jehovah the Holy Ghost and Jesus....
what right do I have to determine how other people live?- I don't know perhaps cases like Nazi Germany or any other genocidal regime, sexual predators, child molesters, irresponsible companies with shonky environmental practises, people that deprive others of their money or LIBERTY!! etc etc etc
By your definition and it is YOUR definition you cannot say or do anything against them (especially in a case like Nazi Germany where Hitler had the backing of the majority of the population.) You are disallowing them their right to do these and believe these things
Your words..... what right do I have to determine how other people live? I may disagree vehemently with them, but I am no greater than they
I don't know your obligation to your fellow man???
Who knows better what to do with a particular plot of land. ..a family that's farmed it for 20 years or the EPA?
Dunno seems to me the EPA might know some things better than a farmer eg. The level's of toxicity of his soil eg. when this guy has been spraying it with DDT for the past 15 years.
What pesiticides might be harmful to the population at large. How many emission levels in the air warrant investigation. Arsenic content of the local rivers, do I need to go on!!
Slashdot Mirror
Besides being completely off-topic to the topic at hand (can I say that)
I have seen this thing written 50 times differently for 50 situations. C'mon at least use something original.
It reminds me of that X-FIlES episode where they are blaming Satanists for things ("The Hand that Wounds" was the English translation of the show) Scully points out that their story has been used by different groups throughout the ages - adding in Jews, Masons etc etc..........
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Yep I'm willing for that peace bit now!!
C'mon get a bit of a sense of humour.
If you knew anything about me you would realise that I would have said the exact opposite things if I was talking to a Christian or anybody that is to rigid in their belief structure.
Yeh people have been persecuted for not "believing" in alot of things call that the human condition if you will
Yeh we can drop the flamewar.
But if your really serious about not promoting any hatred on Slashdot how about stopping with this type of nonsense as well.
The religious arguement has been going on since the time of Socrates perhaps earlier who knows (their records haven't survived though) I don't believe that you or I or anybody else is going to come up with the definitive answer
If you really want to read something logical on the situation I suggest you read alittle Bertrand Russell my favourite philosopher perhaps "Why I am not a Christian" or "A Free Man's Worship" or Nietzche or a dozen others. They can examine these issues without the diatribe
Heres hoping that your living a happy productive and unhatefilled life
Hail Eris,
Daala
Fair enough! I can understand people make fun of Christianity or anything else for that matter. To bad people can't make fun of people that make fun of people that make fun of Christianity (yes I am willing to accept the fact that this is an infinite regress- thank you for proving MY POINT!!)
Seems weird to me that you can make fun of these things but mention the open source movement, Linux or a dozen other "sacred" cows in a funny or disreputable light people like you begin acting exactly like wounded little bull's
You think you offended me?? Now who is the one acting like a 12 year old. Who is the one comparing their brand of humour to Python!!
OK Let's drop the flamewar once you've got the last of the insults off in a flurry of volley's!!
I didn't take your post seriously to begin with!!
More like Haad up ass!!
Well you certainly found me out! For a start I wasn't being irrate I just hate reading posts by knowitall's who think they know everything on any given topic. Secondly I'm not your boy!! I wouldn't want to be associated with a conceited pig like yourself. (By the way as I am writing this I am personally very calm. Your the one that needs to use foul language in his posts what run out of words to use??)
At least I know how to keep my facts straight. If you choose to make fun of people at least make it moderately logical or funny at least your's is neither.
Lots of love
The Ignoramus Baptist Minister
Posit: God exists and is superior -A
Therefore humankind is inferior -B
Inferior beings cannot presume to judge the morality of a Superior being- C
Therefore, no matter how reprehensible his actions may be, we cannot judge God- D
In formal logic your arguement comes out like this:
If A then B, C therefore D (I don't have a keyboard with the right symbols so have worded them)
Do a truth table or a tree on this one it doesn't work my friend!!!
Someone that claims to be such a superior intelligence writing barely witty little pissant stories sure can't structure a sound arguement to save his life. (Go out and get laid, smoke a blunt do something interesting than sitting their worrying about what other people choose to believe in or better still move to an aethiestic country such as China if you can't handle it)
Regards,
A committed aethiest. But one sick of having our ideas espoused by barely literate morons!!
I would love to hear your empirical evidence for such a sweeping claim
Are you telling me that the Christian's have killed more than 100 million people
Don't forget there where 23 million Russians at least 40 million Germans etc etc etc....
Well how about the great claim to fame of an atheistic society - how many people where killed in the Soviet Union under Communism. Do you even know??, Mao's Cultural Revolution, Pulpot, The French Revolution -need I go on!!
Invoking Godwin's Law I am calling you an ignoramus!!
"to believe in a Christian God. Just convert to Judiasm. (Jesus was Jewish; why not?)"
This gets my goat all the time. How can he be a Christian God if you are Jewish?? Come on people use your grey sells. Jehovah was the God of the Israelites way way before he was the God of the Christian people's......
PS I am an agnostic...so don't start with any defending the faith and all that shit with me....
I think both sides of the debate are as much full of shit as the other
A very old philosophical arguement to be sure have you really thought about the logic of what you have just said.
It eventually if taken down to its constituent parts becomes a tautology
God commands what he commands essentially. A very weak premise to be arguing from. In Formal Logic this is actually called a very very weak arguement. It would be far better and more defensible if you are a theist to argue that God's command's are moral because the things he commands are moral or good of independant of him.(kinda that old Platonic thing-look it up it's pretty fucking cool stuff)
I don't think that is strictly true.
I know that my old Physics teacher would have been offended if you had of told him some of the more colourful views in philosophy extending to the formulation of empirical evidence and how we go about looking for patterns as a natural extension of our African Savanah Scrub mentality. I did this once and he was reduced to calling me a narrow minded ignoramus
Go tell the people at SETI that their search for extra-terrestrial life in the present way they are trying to achieve it is fruitless and you will get the same response.
Shit I have heard about Stephen Jay Gould becoming irrate about people questioning his theories on punctuated equilibria (or is it 'um, my parents attended his address and where quite embarrased by this turn of events) Carl Sagan in his irrate but rational tirade against Velikovsky. Go hang out at www.csicop.org if you want to see what I mean (I am a skeptic by the way but not one reduced to lampooning others)
Anyway's I have also known plenty of atheists who get upset at having their views questioned. Everybody has a reality tunnel that (to borrow an idea from Robert Anton Wilson) that if pierced tends to bleed profanities and insults
Just my 2 cents worth
Hail Eris!!
That sounds wicked I have alway's had this suspicion??
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Seriously how do you find out about them? I love becoming members of whacky groups like this. Tried to join the Flat Earther's but they could see I was not being serious so they refused
Isn't JHVH anglicised as well?? Same for elohim??
:)
How the hell is yahweh not anglicised??
I have not seen any Hebrew letters employed??
lots of love
The Cohenim Brotherhood
I forgot that there are so many smarties out there in /. land :()
Yes I do mean positive or negative 3
PS How do you know that THE NAME always deals in absolute values??
yours sincerely
El Shadai
In all seriousness. This bit of hodge podge has been passed off as serious science for along time
How about reading something from Richard Dawkins eg. "The Selfish Gene" he deflates the whole irrecducible complexity arguement quite easily. Plus the book does not take into account things such as Chaos, Quantum Phenomena as extended to biology etc. etc.
Do yourself a favour and read the pro-evolutionary side of the debate. I read both and come out better for it.
PS. Why does this mean there is a God by the way. Could not have Odin designed mankind, or Zeus, or Shiva etc etc for all you know it could have been
me!!!!!!!!!!!
Matthew 3:16 I think there is a bit if you convert the letters into numbers clearly mean that you are a dork!!!
square root of 9 is three - plus or minus three thank you very much
yours truly
Jehovah........
Please keep going that is some of the funniest stuff I have read in ages. I can't believe people cannot see a good joke write in front of them.
/. all the time but now I realise the intent. Good stuff my friend keep it coming
I used to lampoon people like this on
regards
Brother Elijah Brimstoneburntmybottom III
"Many Native American tribes fought fierce wars over land and territories. (Primitive peoples want lebensraum, too.) These brutal wars have been overlooked by those wishing to portray the Native Americans as some childlike elves living in a sylvan paradise" - cool so that means that committing genocide on them was ok actually being a war-like people they probably thoroughly deserved it, giving them blankets infected with smallpox that's pretty alright to after all they where a warlike people.
Or does it justify the aggression that your own country now perpetuates all over the world- fuck Iraqi children, Children in Libya, Cuba after all they are all war-like people
If this is your panacea for everything believing in gross generalisations than be my guess. Before you go tarring others with the same brush perhaps turn around and have alook at your own culture.
PS I never said that the Indians where childlike elves either. But they also haven't caused as much economic, social or environmental devastation on the North American continent either!!!!
Whilst I would be the first to admit that I am a fence sitter on this issue (I did not join the Slashdot community to have my ideas reconfirmed by others they aren't that fragile!!)I find it funny that this person was given a -1 rating as a Troll. Ok did he hurt all the little boy's and girl's out there by calling you moron's?? Was that the reason for the negative moderation. But he does make some excellent points.
Whilst all of you jump up and down about the issue of software rights alot of you (and this is generalising) do not seem to give to shit's about freedom being impinged in other area's. How many of you out there are members of Amnesty International, Greenpeace or other such organisations. Is software freedom the only type of freedom that gets you hot under the collar??
Do you really think people in Northern Ireland, the Middle East or Fiji for that matter give 2 shits about the state of software freedom. "Oh it's ok Paddy our country has been controlled by the English for at least a thousand years, but at least our software is free." or another "It's ok we have nothing to eat and no computer to use but at least the boy's and girl's in first world countries can have open sourced software whatever that means??".
Oh that's right we have distributed Linux to Mexican's as another poster has mentioned. Yeh fuck the countries economic equality or alleviation of debt repayments or corruption for that matter they are getting free LINUX after all.
Do not underestimate the importance of what we are doing here my ass!!
Yeh software freedom is important - to bad freedom of religion, congregation, economy, gender, sexual preference etc etc all run a distance away from this very crucial issue!!!
The argument against Germany is a libertarian argument, not an authoritarian one-
this is quite funny by telling me that the arguement is a libertarian one you have\are claiming some authority over the arguement
Can you see the circles here....
signed,
Someone bemused at how telling someone they are not authoritarian is not authoritarian......
Circular logic here dude!
If that were the important thing, we could condemn innocent men whom the populace were convinced were guilty (it has an i in it by the way!) - no this would not be in your self-interest as you there would be the possibility that you would one day fall prey to the same treatment like this meted out to you by the general populace. Basically you would be found guilty of a crime that you did not commit.
Before using such philosophically amibiguous terms such as just and right please define your conceptions of these words....... I have been studying Philosophy on and off for 5 years now and have not heard any good definitions.
What I care about is justice- of course you do it is fundamentally in your self-interest to believe in justice as it is in mine. It basically gives us a social contract with others that allows us to not have our rights infringed upon as long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others.
Don't couch your ideas in POLITICAL rhetoric about what deterrent effect means rather look at it in it's more broad scientific and philosophical implications to society....
For somebody who is not an authoritarian it is funny that YOU can decide what is JUST and RIGHT and on the same token decide what is NEITHER JUST NOR RIGHT (by the way are they mutually exclusive terms??) who died and made you supreme authority on MORAL behaviour???
Please I am intensely interested in your point of you. Or have you not really thought out your arguements properly. Might I suggest some Philosophy courses on MORALITY and SOCIETY they really are quite brilliant.
Now you really are missing the point entirely.
You said that you do not believe in Authoritarian dogma but then shoot yourself in the foot by claiming that you are a Christian. How can you be at liberty to do whatever you want when you have to follow COMMANDMENTS and believe in a certain moral and religious code: That Jesus was the Son of God and came down here to die for your sins....
This is the ultimate irony. These are Authoritarian views. Authoritarian means that you subscribe to beliefs or values of people that are above yourself. You do there names are Jehovah the Holy Ghost and Jesus....
what right do I have to determine how other people live?- I don't know perhaps cases like Nazi Germany or any other genocidal regime, sexual predators, child molesters, irresponsible companies with shonky environmental practises, people that deprive others of their money or LIBERTY!! etc etc etc
By your definition and it is YOUR definition you cannot say or do anything against them (especially in a case like Nazi Germany where Hitler had the backing of the majority of the population.) You are disallowing them their right to do these and believe these things
Your words..... what right do I have to determine how other people live? I may disagree vehemently with them, but I am no greater than they
I don't know your obligation to your fellow man???
Who knows better what to do with a particular plot of land. . .a family that's farmed it for 20 years or the EPA?
Dunno seems to me the EPA might know some things better than a farmer eg. The level's of toxicity of his soil eg. when this guy has been spraying it with DDT for the past 15 years.
What pesiticides might be harmful to the population at large. How many emission levels in the air warrant investigation. Arsenic content of the local rivers, do I need to go on!!
Fucking ignormas prick.
Pity you came across like a Baptist to me just then when someone happens to mention that there is no God.
If you are grown up realise that there is room for frank and open debate on any topic.
In case I am also an asshole this is probably true but at least I can see FUNDAMENTALISM as well as smell it!!
It's funny you respond with such invective vitriol against this man abusing him, telling him he is full of shit then ask him to chill out
nugh said
Signed
Another Asshole