Trinchera Ranch has been the source of some of these kind of troubles, I remember seeing a 60 minutes on something like this too, can't find it right now or remember if it's the same place (I think that was on a place in New Mexico, probably had turtles).
Protip: Read more than the first editorial returned, like how Trinchera Ranch was the single largest real estate purchase by an Environmentalist... Hedge Fund Manager.
Not sure if you were trying to be funny or not, but I worked for a company that told stories about how they implemented something very similar if not exactly Soul of a new machine. It was a small company with 2 large IT departments that competed against each other and would not hand code over to each other, they eventually hired what amounted to an IT saboteur that figured all the code and process' out, rewrote it and fired both teams. Now he runs all of the IT with an iron fist, mad with power, as a big fish in a very tiny bowl.
Things got better than, they deteriorated with time as he used more of his time to secure his fiefdom, rather than learn to code better or become hands off and just administrate the department, but I digress.
All I know is that storage experts almost always praise tape, disk drives, then optical media in that order and quote the lifetime of organic dye based optical media being 2 to 5 years.
I have used disks that are still good 10 years later, and some that lasted maybe a year (cheap, get what you pay for stuff) and but manufacturers usually don't use longevity as a price point, so it can be hard to tell what you're getting unless you just shell out money for it.
And the price of something is not a good metric for something else if that is the only metric you can effectively use.
Either way if all magnetic storage is gone tomorrow, we're pretty screwed anyway.
It looks like, to me, that it is an attack on Google Analytics and MS SQL Server.
So the target base HAS to have MS SQL (for the code that loops through the specific tables to find your table names to work) and you have to be running Google Analytics (could be wrong about that though) for this to work, IIS and ASP.NET might just be targeted because you are more likely to run into an MS SQL Server. My gut tells me that the attack could possibly be modified to attack other databases still using Google Analytics.
I'm not saying that there is solid correlation here, I'm fine with the opinion that people who drink diet pop are probably the people making the worst food choices anyway. But what if it's not just the sugar, but the propensity to drink pop from cans with BPA and continue to drink them.
I'd be interested to see European BPA levels contrasted to American BPA levels. What if it's not just caloric intake that is making America so fat, maybe it's our increasing exposure to this, along with calories. There is an obvious increase in childhood obesity and diabetes, what if on top of bad food and poor exercise, it's our increased exposure to this, pre-cradle to grave, that is accelerating our poor health?
Sure there are unintended vectors, but if these vectors only appear on specialized systems, malware written to infect as many systems as possible will probably be less effective, not more.
But by Murphy, when it DOES happen, I don't want to be there to trouble shoot it, heh.
Electronically doesn't mean over CAT 5 on a TCP/IP LAN though, it could very well be pushing it out over serial onto a Unix box that runs a cron job to push it out to a MS SQL Server 100 miles away via modem (this is not as far fetched as you might imagine).
Healthcare IT Fragility usually stems from inconsistency and many critical failure points, these can be a virus' worst nightmare because they are usually written to take advantage of the most common configurations. All of a sudden when it runs into a specialized host connecting via IPX or with a different OS or with half of the libraries missing or some ridiculous thing, it dies, end of propagation at that node.
You start implementing encryption on every thing, it's gonna break stuff, a lot faster than a virus, because a virus has to travel on its own, IT is running around shoving some brand-new-shiny-product-x into everything that has a hard drive.
I think everyone agrees that the answer to the original question is "Don't use your own personal shit at work" and I don't contend that. I'm just saying ham handed policies will break shit faster and cause more critical failures than a virus in an ad hoc environment like health care.
Neither is good, but one is IMHO worse than the other, which is what I was originally responding to since it seemed like you took a 'well it can't hurt' attitude.
Then again a roll out like this is probably being handled in the most reasonable fashion;).
Yeah, but right there you're only talking about the clinical side, you still have the administrative parts (payroll, materials management) usually in a separate multi-million dollar ERP system (which was probably written in Cobol in '86 and ported to Java in '01). If we're talking cancer hospital, then you have to contend with the research side as well, and usually that research is in conjunction with a University that has it's OWN systems that need to integrate.
You end up with like 3 different OSs running 4 different kinds DBs across 8 VLANS and 4 domains on a good day.
I'm sorry, you must be under the impression that systems in a hospital are integrated in SOME fashion. They are not, and I've never heard of one that was, although my experience with them only spans about 7 years and only includes 3 U.S. states (not Mass). Electronic medical records are just now KIND OF being integrated and usually only at expensive hospitals. And I have yet to see a medical diagnostic device that didn't run in it's own vendor supported proprietary bubble. So having a virus run amok doesn't really concern me as it would get stopped in its tracks by the entire clusterfuck that is Healthcare IT.
Healthcare IT is a vendor lock-in, non-integrated mess and having IT run around and lose people's data with some mandated encryption system they probably bought from a snake oil salesman is probably worse than any scenario you might be thinking about.
It's nothing new, but when I was researching it a couple of weeks ago, the page that had the hack to implement it in KVM made it seem like you needed a couple of pieces of information (a pair of weak keys IIRC) that I couldn't find when I tried searching for them.
cells are to human as: art pieces is to game parts are to a whole
Cells do not incorporate the characteristics of the human because they are the part, not the whole.
Human DO incorporate the characteristics of a cell (i.e. life, death, replication).
The parts do not have to share the characteristics of the whole, but the whole certainly has to contain (in some fashion) the characteristics of the parts.
The rules of the Internet always caution you when taking inside info from someone calling himself "Vegeta" or anything else Dragon Ball Z related, but I'll take your lower ID to indicate that both of us might have made poor choices about our online identities in our youth:) .
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Dude, scroll down 2 posts.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1693540&cid=32652194
Found the turtle story!
(Not this one)
It's those coal lovin' bastards the Sierra Club!
(Not that one)
Trinchera Ranch has been the source of some of these kind of troubles, I remember seeing a 60 minutes on something like this too, can't find it right now or remember if it's the same place (I think that was on a place in New Mexico, probably had turtles).
Protip: Read more than the first editorial returned, like how Trinchera Ranch was the single largest real estate purchase by an Environmentalist ... Hedge Fund Manager.
source for that one too: http://origin.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_7577768
Not sure if you were trying to be funny or not, but I worked for a company that told stories about how they implemented something very similar if not exactly Soul of a new machine. It was a small company with 2 large IT departments that competed against each other and would not hand code over to each other, they eventually hired what amounted to an IT saboteur that figured all the code and process' out, rewrote it and fired both teams. Now he runs all of the IT with an iron fist, mad with power, as a big fish in a very tiny bowl.
Things got better than, they deteriorated with time as he used more of his time to secure his fiefdom, rather than learn to code better or become hands off and just administrate the department, but I digress.
All I know is that storage experts almost always praise tape, disk drives, then optical media in that order and quote the lifetime of organic dye based optical media being 2 to 5 years.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/107607/Storage_expert_warns_of_short_life_span_for_burned_CDs
I have used disks that are still good 10 years later, and some that lasted maybe a year (cheap, get what you pay for stuff) and but manufacturers usually don't use longevity as a price point, so it can be hard to tell what you're getting unless you just shell out money for it.
And the price of something is not a good metric for something else if that is the only metric you can effectively use.
Either way if all magnetic storage is gone tomorrow, we're pretty screwed anyway.
Don't tell that to Roger Ebert
Non-magnetic? Like what? Writable CD-R's are only good for about two years. (not snarky, just curious)
I never did see the big draw of cloud computing without this. Hopefully this will also provide some needed knowledge to better something like Freenet
Way to open up a techno religious debate. You might as well have said what's wrong with using Linux over BSD or Vi over Emacs or vice versa.
It looks like, to me, that it is an attack on Google Analytics and MS SQL Server.
So the target base HAS to have MS SQL (for the code that loops through the specific tables to find your table names to work) and you have to be running Google Analytics (could be wrong about that though) for this to work, IIS and ASP.NET might just be targeted because you are more likely to run into an MS SQL Server. My gut tells me that the attack could possibly be modified to attack other databases still using Google Analytics.
Yep, that is a much better list.
Isn't that like saying still suffering from AIDS, Herpes, Diabetes, or Lou Gehrig's Disease?
I remember awhile back that there was a study that found that only drinking diet pop still affected a person's obesity, even though it did not contain any calories. http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight .
I'm not saying that there is solid correlation here, I'm fine with the opinion that people who drink diet pop are probably the people making the worst food choices anyway. But what if it's not just the sugar, but the propensity to drink pop from cans with BPA and continue to drink them.
I'd be interested to see European BPA levels contrasted to American BPA levels. What if it's not just caloric intake that is making America so fat, maybe it's our increasing exposure to this, along with calories. There is an obvious increase in childhood obesity and diabetes, what if on top of bad food and poor exercise, it's our increased exposure to this, pre-cradle to grave, that is accelerating our poor health?
Never watched much of it, but wasn't The Shield about that, or was there too much 'Bad-Cop-With-A-Heart-Of-Gold' in it?
Sure there are unintended vectors, but if these vectors only appear on specialized systems, malware written to infect as many systems as possible will probably be less effective, not more.
But by Murphy, when it DOES happen, I don't want to be there to trouble shoot it, heh.
Electronically doesn't mean over CAT 5 on a TCP/IP LAN though, it could very well be pushing it out over serial onto a Unix box that runs a cron job to push it out to a MS SQL Server 100 miles away via modem (this is not as far fetched as you might imagine).
Healthcare IT Fragility usually stems from inconsistency and many critical failure points, these can be a virus' worst nightmare because they are usually written to take advantage of the most common configurations. All of a sudden when it runs into a specialized host connecting via IPX or with a different OS or with half of the libraries missing or some ridiculous thing, it dies, end of propagation at that node.
You start implementing encryption on every thing, it's gonna break stuff, a lot faster than a virus, because a virus has to travel on its own, IT is running around shoving some brand-new-shiny-product-x into everything that has a hard drive.
I think everyone agrees that the answer to the original question is "Don't use your own personal shit at work" and I don't contend that. I'm just saying ham handed policies will break shit faster and cause more critical failures than a virus in an ad hoc environment like health care.
Neither is good, but one is IMHO worse than the other, which is what I was originally responding to since it seemed like you took a 'well it can't hurt' attitude.
Then again a roll out like this is probably being handled in the most reasonable fashion ;).
... would have built it with carbon nanotubes.
Yeah, but right there you're only talking about the clinical side, you still have the administrative parts (payroll, materials management) usually in a separate multi-million dollar ERP system (which was probably written in Cobol in '86 and ported to Java in '01). If we're talking cancer hospital, then you have to contend with the research side as well, and usually that research is in conjunction with a University that has it's OWN systems that need to integrate.
You end up with like 3 different OSs running 4 different kinds DBs across 8 VLANS and 4 domains on a good day.
I'm sorry, you must be under the impression that systems in a hospital are integrated in SOME fashion. They are not, and I've never heard of one that was, although my experience with them only spans about 7 years and only includes 3 U.S. states (not Mass). Electronic medical records are just now KIND OF being integrated and usually only at expensive hospitals. And I have yet to see a medical diagnostic device that didn't run in it's own vendor supported proprietary bubble. So having a virus run amok doesn't really concern me as it would get stopped in its tracks by the entire clusterfuck that is Healthcare IT.
Healthcare IT is a vendor lock-in, non-integrated mess and having IT run around and lose people's data with some mandated encryption system they probably bought from a snake oil salesman is probably worse than any scenario you might be thinking about.
But if that code is in VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) then the genie is already out of the bottle isn't it?
It's nothing new, but when I was researching it a couple of weeks ago, the page that had the hack to implement it in KVM made it seem like you needed a couple of pieces of information (a pair of weak keys IIRC) that I couldn't find when I tried searching for them.
http://d4wiki.goddamm.it/index.php?title=Howto:_Mac_OSX_on_KVM
How will they stop it from running on non-Apple hardware if all the code is in place to 'virtualize' it on a hypervisor?
You're mixing up your analogies.
cells are to human as:
art pieces is to game
parts are to a whole
Cells do not incorporate the characteristics of the human because they are the part, not the whole.
Human DO incorporate the characteristics of a cell (i.e. life, death, replication).
The parts do not have to share the characteristics of the whole, but the whole certainly has to contain (in some fashion) the characteristics of the parts.
If Oracle does not want Sun hardware, what Sun software does Oracle want?
I'm guessing all the Java stuff ... and MySql.
The rules of the Internet always caution you when taking inside info from someone calling himself "Vegeta" or anything else Dragon Ball Z related, but I'll take your lower ID to indicate that both of us might have made poor choices about our online identities in our youth :) .