What about the fuel cells? I'm not going to deny that hydrogen will be lighter than bateries, but someone upthread expressed incredulity and asked why when there is a 75x difference. There is't a 75x differenece all things considered and the additional downsides outweigh the difference in energy density.
How about not being stupid about it? You went from "not based on negotation ability" to "reward failure". How about paying based on performance. That's 100% legal.
If group X is worse at negotiating initial salary,
Negotiating ability is irrelevant to job performance of a programmer. So if you started that way it was already against the law. Fix your hiring process. How hard is this to understand?
Continually amazing to me that here on slashdot, supposedly a technology forum, will you find such passionate arguments that a lower data rate rather than a high data rate is the better representation of an analog signal.
When it comes to sample rates at 44khZ and above, it's neither better nor worse. Just entirely equivalent.
And good riddance! It's time for those silly pensions to give way to what the rest of the US has: 401Ks.
Good riddance indeed! It's time to stop paying people what you said you'd pay them for the work they did. It's what Trump's famous for and now he's president the government should do it to.
See above - hydrogen tanks and valving is really not that heavy.
quote the numbes then. It's not going to be as heavy overall but it's not as light as you're making out. It's not a 75x difference.
A couple hundred kg to carry the equivalent of a tonne or two of batteries.
It's reached the stage of needing actual hard numbers.
Hydrogen has ~75X the power density by weight
ITYM energy density.
that leaves a BIG overhead factor for a tank or valving system.
Well no. Hydrogen has more or less fixed costs for the valving and fuel cells, and a linearish scaling for the tanks (surface area goes by the square, volume by the cube, but the wall thickness has to increase too) and actual gas. The scaling factor is smaller than batteries.
The batteries have a zero overhead and a higher linear scaling factor.
But er're not in the unlimited region, so there's a tradeoff. What is the weight of a BEV versus the weight of an equivalent HEV, all things considered?
As far as infrastructure - we have one now, with tens of thousands of refilling stations all around.
No, there are 39 in the entire US (mostly in california)
Why would you want to carry around 800 kg of batteries when you could do 12 kg of hydrogen?
You forgot the weight of the hydrogen tank and the fuel cells. There are many whys. One, hydrogen is soluable in many metals which makes building effective tanks surprisingly difficult. Then there's the issue of filling via very high pressure hoses, something which is a rather different prospect from liquid hydrocarbons or just plugging in. Then there's the infrastructure required to either create or ship hydrogen. It's easy for electricity: for day to day use, you can charge from an ordinary circuit at home, with relatively few filling stations required. You're dependent on filling stations for hydrogen. There's also the lower efficiency of round tripping via hydrogen, making every refill more expensive.
People have tried hydrogen cars before. They're certainly doable. Turns out battery ones are just more practical at the moment.
Well, their first choice was to build a Dyson Sphere... but once they looked at Dyson's Catalog, they decided the company's prices are just too outrageous.
Plus transparent plastic looks cool but it's just not the best choice.
It is not...there are also MEN that get paid more and less than other men too.
Irelevant, the law says nothing about that unless there's some othe protected characteristic involved.
See my example above.
You don't seem to understand the law. Hypotheticals or pointing out related but irleevant hold in the law is going to count for squat in front of a judge.
It is up to each individual to know their market worth.
And yet the law is quite clear in this regard.
Of course my example is a simplistic one to drive a point, I know other things come into play, like experience, and seniority.
The law allows for that. Anything that affects your ability to do a job is taken into acconut. If all the men are more senior than the women then it's perfectly legal to have pay disparity (it might say something abou your hiring practices, but that's another topic).
Heck, it isn't fair that some times, new employees can come in, doing same job as older employees, but start off making more than the legacy employees. It just happens, that's why people often job hop so they can raise their salaries faster
You seem to have a fundamantal undestand gap here. You can't eason you way aound the law. No matter how illogical you think the law is, it still stands. I'm not trying to argue the merit or othewise of the law in this post, I'm telling you that the law is clear.
You keep trying to tell me the law is wrong, but that doesn't make it unclear. And being wrong or illogical doesn't stop it existing.
Like I said the law is clear. If you don't like it you can lobby your representative.
Ability to negotiate a salary has no bearing on a programmer's performance, therefore if there's a systematic bias it is absolutely the company's fault. The law is crystal clear in this regard.
bvious the "Some already are" is in relation to EVERYTHING BEING SAID.
No that's utter fucking bullshit. It's 1+e308 about calling others out for shitty behaviour. You can literally tell that because it's intespersed with people being ehitty the nbeing called out.
The calling out AND the chiding that men need to "act the right way and say the right thing"
If you don't want evil to triumph then yes you not only have to be not part of the problem but stand up and fucking do something. If you're being a lazy cowad then yes the ad is chiding you. Deal with it.
By saying "some already are (acting the right way, etc)", the message is also that MOST are NOT.
Yep. Most people don't stand up and be counted because it's really fucking awkward and that's not how most people work. When was the last time YOU called someone out? I am man enough to admit I've failed to do so many times.
I'll let you have the last response,
How big of you. I assume then it's nothing at all to do with you getting sad at being repeatedly destroyed.
I think the takeaway that even though people believe Oracle is evil, they're simply more skeptical about wage gap bull crap.
I'm pretty sure those people would be more skeptical of a story about a wage gap than a story accusing Larry Ellison's lawyers of eating babies. Personally, I think there's only about a 10 percent chance of the latter and anyway they were only drinking the blood.
Just because people shit on Oracle usually, and not now, does not mean this is valid.
Doesn't mean it is. On the other hand Oracle hav been such evil bastards that there's a strong prior in believing they have done whatever the hell they're accused of.
Google is dicks too, MS too, Amazon too.
Sure, but not like Oracle. Oracle has a true, visceral hatred of their customers (even worse than Sony) not to mention the poor bastards who then actually have to use their stinking, shitty products. Oracle seem to hate their employees too.
You should've been rated "offtopic",
Yes, because it's best to not hear opinions you disagree with.
because them being dicks have nothing to do with most probably false lawsuits.
You're guessing on the "probably false bit". And having a history of screwing over everyone they can does have a bearing on whether it's likely the indeed screwed over some people.
To say the right thing, to act the right way. SOME already are
The whole thing reads:
0:53 Men need to hold other men accountable. 0:56 [interlude, directed at some women] Smile sweetie 0:58 [Interlude, directed the the previous ] Come on! 0:59 To say the right thing. 1:02 To act the right way. 1:04 [interlude] Bro, not cool. Not cool. 1:06 Some already are.
It is entirely 100% clear that the "some already are" is in the context on actively calling others out, not in the context of "not harasing". You said this:
"clearly the ad is claiming most men harass women"
It's still a bullshit claim, and the part of the video you quoted did not even remotely support your claim.
I didn't read the rest of what you wrote because if you didn't even have that right
Thing is though I did. We both know it as my quote above from the video proves. So you're just making excuses to avoid admitting you were wrong.
At this point you've effectively admitted you were wrong. I challenged you to prove your point and all you managed was to quote something which didn't prove your point.
Now stop being such a whiny crybaby delicate snowflake.
Up until today, if Oracle were accused of doing evil thing X, everyone piled in saying "yeah it's Oracle, so probably they did", or "that's nothing, Oracle fucked me over with evil thing Y and that's worse, so fuck Oracle".
There's pretty much nothing people would defend Oracle for and everyone was prepared to assume the worse based on a long and storied history of incredibly shitty behaviour. Basically on one here would give Oracle the benefit of the doubt because they thoroughly squandered any benefit as anyone who's suffered under an Oracle system knows.
Seems completely possible to me that a 4% difference could simply be explained by the opportunity cost of maternity leave.
Yeah anything's possible. On the other hand, Oracle has a rich history of fucking over ayone the can get their tentacles on, so it's entirely reasonable to assume the worst of them until proven othrewise.
Oracle are not a human and they're not in a court of law, so we don't have to presume they're innocent. If a known fucker is accused of being a fucker, it's absolutely fine to assume they are indeed a total fucker.
This is Oracle. They're dicks. About everything. Fuck them they're most likely guilty of this.
No it did not. You haven't watched the ad. Yo've just jumped on the internet outrage machine.
Prove it by posting a youtube or equivalent link to the exact time it says that or admit you were worng. I will take the lack of a link or lack of a reply as an admission.
What's fun though is I expect you won't provide that, but will nonetheless double down on your demonstrably incorrect claims. Note, I'm not actually trying to convince you because I think you are beyond the reach of reason. I don't want others reading to get the wrong information. For you I'm just trying to induce the largest backfire effect I can because it's funny.
That implies the rest, or majority, are not... how is that not an attack on men generally?
Because that never happened. You need to get off twitter or whatever other source you use to find your outrage, watch the ad and think for yourself.
Even ignoring that aspect though, clearly the ad is claiming most men harass women, which is simply not the case.
No it's not, but it IS claiming that if you don't hold others to account then you are part of the problem. That's something I have believed for osme number of years now and I wholeheartedly agree. So did Edmund Burke.
And secondly and here's the odd thing, it covers both bullying and sexual harassment. For some reason you only care about the sexual harassment part but not the bit with bullying and assault of men. Why did you only choose half of it to get ourtaged over?
Well I wasn't calling you lazy. However since you didn't bother to read what I wrote, I might now...:)
Actually, I will get round to trying to install locally at some point. I think I compare it to Java or Go, where I can just download, extract, add one item to the $PATH environment variable, and then go.
I was comparing to GCC which doesn't need the environment variable.
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Which contains more information about an analog signal: a 16 bit sample at 44 khz, or a 24 bit sample at 96?
Which contains the most audible information? The answer of course is they're both equivalent.
Who cares if one of them comtains stuff only audible to bats?
What about the fuel cells? I'm not going to deny that hydrogen will be lighter than bateries, but someone upthread expressed incredulity and asked why when there is a 75x difference. There is't a 75x differenece all things considered and the additional downsides outweigh the difference in energy density.
So they should... what?
Um.. abide by the law for one.
Continually reward failure, or ignore success?
How about not being stupid about it? You went from "not based on negotation ability" to "reward failure". How about paying based on performance. That's 100% legal.
If group X is worse at negotiating initial salary,
Negotiating ability is irrelevant to job performance of a programmer. So if you started that way it was already against the law. Fix your hiring process. How hard is this to understand?
I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by me and others like me?
Continually amazing to me that here on slashdot, supposedly a technology forum, will you find such passionate arguments that a lower data rate rather than a high data rate is the better representation of an analog signal.
When it comes to sample rates at 44khZ and above, it's neither better nor worse. Just entirely equivalent.
Out of interest did you like the new gilette ad?
And good riddance! It's time for those silly pensions to give way to what the rest of the US has: 401Ks.
Good riddance indeed! It's time to stop paying people what you said you'd pay them for the work they did. It's what Trump's famous for and now he's president the government should do it to.
Please, describe these "household" tools that can cut though steel.
A hacksaw.
They're dicks." - did you just assume their gender?
Your missing the distinction between "their" and "they're".
See above - hydrogen tanks and valving is really not that heavy.
quote the numbes then. It's not going to be as heavy overall but it's not as light as you're making out. It's not a 75x difference.
A couple hundred kg to carry the equivalent of a tonne or two of batteries.
It's reached the stage of needing actual hard numbers.
Hydrogen has ~75X the power density by weight
ITYM energy density.
that leaves a BIG overhead factor for a tank or valving system.
Well no. Hydrogen has more or less fixed costs for the valving and fuel cells, and a linearish scaling for the tanks (surface area goes by the square, volume by the cube, but the wall thickness has to increase too) and actual gas. The scaling factor is smaller than batteries.
The batteries have a zero overhead and a higher linear scaling factor.
But er're not in the unlimited region, so there's a tradeoff. What is the weight of a BEV versus the weight of an equivalent HEV, all things considered?
As far as infrastructure - we have one now, with tens of thousands of refilling stations all around.
No, there are 39 in the entire US (mostly in california)
https://www.greencarcongress.c...
3 seconds of space is about zero meters when tone waiting at traffic lights or in a traffic jam.
Why would you want to carry around 800 kg of batteries when you could do 12 kg of hydrogen?
You forgot the weight of the hydrogen tank and the fuel cells. There are many whys. One, hydrogen is soluable in many metals which makes building effective tanks surprisingly difficult. Then there's the issue of filling via very high pressure hoses, something which is a rather different prospect from liquid hydrocarbons or just plugging in. Then there's the infrastructure required to either create or ship hydrogen. It's easy for electricity: for day to day use, you can charge from an ordinary circuit at home, with relatively few filling stations required. You're dependent on filling stations for hydrogen. There's also the lower efficiency of round tripping via hydrogen, making every refill more expensive.
People have tried hydrogen cars before. They're certainly doable. Turns out battery ones are just more practical at the moment.
PS your signature pegs you as a shrill moron.
Well, their first choice was to build a Dyson Sphere... but once they looked at Dyson's Catalog, they decided the company's prices are just too outrageous.
Plus transparent plastic looks cool but it's just not the best choice.
It is not...there are also MEN that get paid more and less than other men too.
Irelevant, the law says nothing about that unless there's some othe protected characteristic involved.
See my example above.
You don't seem to understand the law. Hypotheticals or pointing out related but irleevant hold in the law is going to count for squat in front of a judge.
It is up to each individual to know their market worth.
And yet the law is quite clear in this regard.
Of course my example is a simplistic one to drive a point, I know other things come into play, like experience, and seniority.
The law allows for that. Anything that affects your ability to do a job is taken into acconut. If all the men are more senior than the women then it's perfectly legal to have pay disparity (it might say something abou your hiring practices, but that's another topic).
Heck, it isn't fair that some times, new employees can come in, doing same job as older employees, but start off making more than the legacy employees. It just happens, that's why people often job hop so they can raise their salaries faster
You seem to have a fundamantal undestand gap here. You can't eason you way aound the law. No matter how illogical you think the law is, it still stands. I'm not trying to argue the merit or othewise of the law in this post, I'm telling you that the law is clear.
You keep trying to tell me the law is wrong, but that doesn't make it unclear. And being wrong or illogical doesn't stop it existing.
Like I said the law is clear. If you don't like it you can lobby your representative.
That's not the companies' fault....
Yes it is, according to the law.
Ability to negotiate a salary has no bearing on a programmer's performance, therefore if there's a systematic bias it is absolutely the company's fault. The law is crystal clear in this regard.
Well sure! Here's the interesting point... when was the last time you read an article about how men were being "fucked" by a company?
You mean like offshoring, long hours, the massive abuse that goes on in the games industry? Regularly as it happens. Why?
People are skeptical about wage gap stories because it has been illegal to pay women less since 1963.
Oh well it doesn't happen then because nothing illegal does. That's why America has no one in prison.
bvious the "Some already are" is in relation to EVERYTHING BEING SAID.
No that's utter fucking bullshit. It's 1+e308 about calling others out for shitty behaviour. You can literally tell that because it's intespersed with people being ehitty the nbeing called out.
The calling out AND the chiding that men need to "act the right way and say the right thing"
If you don't want evil to triumph then yes you not only have to be not part of the problem but stand up and fucking do something. If you're being a lazy cowad then yes the ad is chiding you. Deal with it.
By saying "some already are (acting the right way, etc)", the message is also that MOST are NOT.
Yep. Most people don't stand up and be counted because it's really fucking awkward and that's not how most people work. When was the last time YOU called someone out? I am man enough to admit I've failed to do so many times.
I'll let you have the last response,
How big of you. I assume then it's nothing at all to do with you getting sad at being repeatedly destroyed.
I think the takeaway that even though people believe Oracle is evil, they're simply more skeptical about wage gap bull crap.
I'm pretty sure those people would be more skeptical of a story about a wage gap than a story accusing Larry Ellison's lawyers of eating babies. Personally, I think there's only about a 10 percent chance of the latter and anyway they were only drinking the blood.
Just because people shit on Oracle usually, and not now, does not mean this is valid.
Doesn't mean it is. On the other hand Oracle hav been such evil bastards that there's a strong prior in believing they have done whatever the hell they're accused of.
Google is dicks too, MS too, Amazon too.
Sure, but not like Oracle. Oracle has a true, visceral hatred of their customers (even worse than Sony) not to mention the poor bastards who then actually have to use their stinking, shitty products. Oracle seem to hate their employees too.
You should've been rated "offtopic",
Yes, because it's best to not hear opinions you disagree with.
because them being dicks have nothing to do with most probably false lawsuits.
You're guessing on the "probably false bit". And having a history of screwing over everyone they can does have a bearing on whether it's likely the indeed screwed over some people.
To say the right thing, to act the right way. SOME already are
The whole thing reads:
0:53 Men need to hold other men accountable.
0:56 [interlude, directed at some women] Smile sweetie
0:58 [Interlude, directed the the previous ] Come on!
0:59 To say the right thing.
1:02 To act the right way.
1:04 [interlude] Bro, not cool. Not cool.
1:06 Some already are.
It is entirely 100% clear that the "some already are" is in the context on actively calling others out, not in the context of "not harasing". You said this:
"clearly the ad is claiming most men harass women"
It's still a bullshit claim, and the part of the video you quoted did not even remotely support your claim.
I didn't read the rest of what you wrote because if you didn't even have that right
Thing is though I did. We both know it as my quote above from the video proves. So you're just making excuses to avoid admitting you were wrong.
At this point you've effectively admitted you were wrong. I challenged you to prove your point and all you managed was to quote something which didn't prove your point.
Now stop being such a whiny crybaby delicate snowflake.
Devil's adocate
Wow, just wow.
Up until today, if Oracle were accused of doing evil thing X, everyone piled in saying "yeah it's Oracle, so probably they did", or "that's nothing, Oracle fucked me over with evil thing Y and that's worse, so fuck Oracle".
There's pretty much nothing people would defend Oracle for and everyone was prepared to assume the worse based on a long and storied history of incredibly shitty behaviour. Basically on one here would give Oracle the benefit of the doubt because they thoroughly squandered any benefit as anyone who's suffered under an Oracle system knows.
Seems completely possible to me that a 4% difference could simply be explained by the opportunity cost of maternity leave.
Yeah anything's possible. On the other hand, Oracle has a rich history of fucking over ayone the can get their tentacles on, so it's entirely reasonable to assume the worst of them until proven othrewise.
Oracle are not a human and they're not in a court of law, so we don't have to presume they're innocent. If a known fucker is accused of being a fucker, it's absolutely fine to assume they are indeed a total fucker.
This is Oracle. They're dicks. About everything. Fuck them they're most likely guilty of this.
you are clearly clueless.
Says the guy who doesn't see why people use C++ despite his favoured language depending on C++ infrastructure.
The ad said directly that "some" men were OK
No it did not. You haven't watched the ad. Yo've just jumped on the internet outrage machine.
Prove it by posting a youtube or equivalent link to the exact time it says that or admit you were worng. I will take the lack of a link or lack of a reply as an admission.
What's fun though is I expect you won't provide that, but will nonetheless double down on your demonstrably incorrect claims. Note, I'm not actually trying to convince you because I think you are beyond the reach of reason. I don't want others reading to get the wrong information. For you I'm just trying to induce the largest backfire effect I can because it's funny.
That implies the rest, or majority, are not... how is that not an attack on men generally?
Because that never happened. You need to get off twitter or whatever other source you use to find your outrage, watch the ad and think for yourself.
Even ignoring that aspect though, clearly the ad is claiming most men harass women, which is simply not the case.
No it's not, but it IS claiming that if you don't hold others to account then you are part of the problem. That's something I have believed for osme number of years now and I wholeheartedly agree. So did Edmund Burke.
And secondly and here's the odd thing, it covers both bullying and sexual harassment. For some reason you only care about the sexual harassment part but not the bit with bullying and assault of men. Why did you only choose half of it to get ourtaged over?
Yep, that's me, Lazy.
Well I wasn't calling you lazy. However since you didn't bother to read what I wrote, I might now... :)
Actually, I will get round to trying to install locally at some point. I think I compare it to Java or Go, where I can just download, extract, add one item to the $PATH environment variable, and then go.
I was comparing to GCC which doesn't need the environment variable.