The fact that all the people with actual power are unelected and unaccountable.
That's a complete fabrication.
MEPs get actualy meaningful votes and are elected. The EU council which has considerable power is drawn from elected officials from the represented countries.
The EU commission is a bunch of civil servants who aren't elected in any system ever.
The fact that if the people with the power don't want something passed, it either isn't addressed, or they play parlimentary games to assure that the vote goes their way
Yes that's called democracy. Vote in people with power. If those people don't want something to happen, it doesn't happen.
And there's no way, beyond violence, to actually redress anything.
Wel that and voting for someone else.
as a totalitarian super-state
You have certainly proven you don't know anything about the EU or totalitarianism.
stealing the right of ACTUAL self-government from the member nations
So if you offer someone cool shit to be part of your club (where they have to abide by the rules), then that's theft when members can leave at any time for any reason. Right. You're an idiot by the way.
The UK's decided to leave as you may recall. Though oddly enough we stop getting all the cool shit. That last part seems to have come as something as a surprise to the Brexiters. They were warned of course but they called the warnings "project fear". Unfortunately calling it so isn't enuogh to persuade M. Barnier to keep giving us all the cool shit.
I love you you post a stupid opinion with zero to back it up and then expect everyone else to jump though some sort of weird formal debating hoops when engaging with you.
How, reasonably, should a student know what expectations are upon them unless they are told in quantitatively measurable terms?
Because the students are ideally intelligent and not massive pedants who exist only to nitpick everything to the final degree. Everyone needs to deal in a world where nothing is specified completely. If the students can't cope, then they're probably not up to the task of passing.
They probably specified the paper size, margins, font size and maybe even line spacing. How are the students supposed to know that the kerning isn't a free for all? How can they know that if they submit the requisite 8 pages with only 3 words per line then they'll fail???
In this case, a "custom" solution requires thousands of dollars of equipment to take a "one-dollar" chip and attach it properly to a board to do something with it.
You really don't need that much though. You can buy a servicable reflow oven for about... (checks) huh they've gone up in price. About $200 for a T962. They're not great but I've got one and they work well enough. (https://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/reflow-oven)
You can get a servicable iron and hot air gun for rather cheaper than they used to be (an 852D+ model https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.h...). I've got one and it does the job well. You can skip the reflow oven and use the hot air if you're so inclined. I've never done a whole board like that but obviously rework is a thing and I have replaced chips successfully.
Boards you can get cheaply. Like Hackvana and OSHPark.
This guy will do you stencils probably cheaper than your board house:
I've used them and they work very well. I usually splash out the extra and get a stainless steel one though, which for small boards is a little over 2x the cost. Hackvana provides silver-steel tooling pins with the stencils, but you can get them very cheaply. Pins, tooling holes, a chunk of thick MDF and a 4mm drill and I can place the stencils fine enough.
Oh and you need a good supply of acetone for cleaning off the solder paste for when you foul up the screen printing which always happens when I'm out of practice.
You then probably want a good pair of tweesers and a vacuum pickup tool. Both are can be had inexpensively.
With a setup like that I can and have done boards with a mix of chips, down to 0.5mm pitch LGA chips and similar QFN chips, not to mention the scattering of 0402s all around.
You're also mistaken about board assembly houses. I engaged one when I wanted to make 50 of the boards (they were small ones), but I did that when the design was finalised and I wanted to make some prototypes of the full product. The earlier boards soldered myself. The lead time shorter and I could do one at a time. Solder one up eith the full design. Test it, solder up a second slightly differently and put some blue wires in etc.
The total cost of the soldering kit was a few hundred dollars, not a few thousand.
I've seen people do quite amazing jobs with the blob and wipe technique for leaded chips so you could skip the reflow oven too. I've also watched people hand solder QFNs in my local hackspace with a very fine conical tip, using the little bits up the edge of the case. I've never got into those technique because I needed reflow for the LGAs and honestly it seems less fiddly.
I have however deadbugged 0.5mm pitch QFNs and attached to DIP sockets for very early stage prototyping. I can see a cool QFN only chip on my vendor's website, order it, dead bug it when it arrives the next day and try it out in a breadboard.
I'm not in the electronics game professinally at the moment, I did all that when I was, on the cheap at a very lean startup. Got the product to market, too.
I've never worked with a single chip that big, personally, but you're mistaken that it's out of reach of the hobbyist. You can have a setup capable of dealing with a chip like that for under a hundred dollars if you're very careful.
But this is all a bit of s silly discussion. Few people will go for a bare chip like that apropos nothing. Most people will be fairly serious hobbyists because it's quite intimidating. They've most likely got the kit already.
And the market has countless options out there for a DIY Linux box (beaglebone, Pi, etc.) and has for years, so DIY fans aren't exactly short on options.
Those are great and I can't see any use of these $1 hand solderable chips for anything I'm currently working on. But you greatly underestimate the ability of hobbyists and overestimate greatly the costs involved.
Totally - you got it. Just as the others can not force you to a) wear helmet; b) not smoke; c) not copulate with strangers; d) maintain health insurance; etcaetera etcaetera, you can not compel others to treat you in sickness,
Huh turns out you can, whaddya know?
You could ask for the other's charity but you must not be allowed to force anyone.
Nope, just taxes not charity. And I can be allowed to force them to pay.
Freedom, raw.
Freedom to make all the right choices and still die destitute and in agony.
Funy thing is actualy freedom, that is not being beholden to others, doesn't exist in your model for may people. You don't want freedom you waht licence and to be king.
This four type of people also sounds like that. But one thing about grandma's nutrition, if you balance all the four things, you find you also get a reasonably balanced meal by modern standards. Not so sure this four type of people sorting would match that performance.
I tried eating the four types. They didn't taste good and I got constipated because of the lack of fiber. BRB cops here
Dude have you ever seen a single chick flick in your entire life. If teenage boys are simply self centred then teenage girls are frankly sadistic in comparison.
Dude have you seen a single horror flick in your entire life? If teenage girls are sadistic then teenage boys are either suicidally stupid or bloodthirsty psychopaths wearing clown masks.
I get that, but Ireland was complicit in the deal. Their punishment, get $16 Billion.
The EU's job is not to punish Ireland, which in practice means punishing its citizens who had little to do with this. The EU's job is to keep the internal market regular and uphold the four freedoms and so on.
When you make specific, incorrect claims about an actalperson it's a lie.
You knowingly made specific, incorrect claims about me. That means your a liar.
OK look tell you what. You've still failed to address my point. And lied abot me repeatedly. We both now know you can't actally rebut it because my point is fundamentally correct. Why don't you just admit it already?
the essence of my statement is that you personally engage in this kind of behavior
That is known as a "lie".
It's a smear tactic to associate those afoul of the "code of conduct" with neo-Nazis.
You clearly don't understand what an "example" is.
My contention is you don't get a free pass on your actions in one sphere just because you try to separate areas of your life. Your response is basically "herp duh SJW *drool* godwin"
Yes you did. And I've a feeling you're about to do it again.
And it's not just what you say personally, we've seen this calling everybody to the right a neo-Nazi for two years now
So do I or don't I personally call "everybody" neo Nazis? You have two choices here. You go for "do" which is a lie, or got for "don't" in which case your previous claim was a lie.
You literally brought in neo-Nazis
YEs but we both know I didn't accuse anyone of being one. And yet here you are howling about accusations.
You tried to play the "admitted defeat" angle, you 'tard. I just threw it back in your face
Well you have really. I had a pretty simple point, that if you act like an arse people won't want you around. For some reason this appears to offend you and you've responded with lies, insults and attempts at diversion.
But you never once addressed the actual point.
That's admitting defeat and you're doing it more and more with every post:)
And it's not the first time, either. There you are claiming Twitter's censorship was about Nazis.
Are you denying Twitter has banned quite a nmbe of people who do identify as nazis? I'm claiming there that banning nazis doesn't make them far left. I'm also trolling alternative_right.
You tacitly admitted defeat when you mentioned Nazis, you goofball.
Interesting, you didn't actually deny you made up lies about me. The thing is it also seems you're actually incapable of discussing extreme behaviour. You swing wildly between bawling about accusations of Naziism (even though none were present) and banging on the Godwin drum as if this is some great insight you had.
It's nw been 4 posts since I made a point which you abjectly failed to respond to. Tha tmeans you have no respnse.
It seems you've reached the point in the argument where the only way forward is to simply invent a lie about me and then vigorously attack that. That means you've tacitly admitted defeat. No matter my good man, I accept your gracious withdrawal.
Christ you have an overdeveloped sense of drama. This is basically a description of pretty much every club ever. If you don't agree to the rules, you can't be part of the club. If you think free association is totalitarianism, then I don't think i want to live in your idea of a society.
Respect is a counterproductive misguided precept similar to pride, admiration and allegiance that in the end is at best worthless and at worst harmful.
People who demonstrate trustworthy behavior I am more likely to gamble on.
That's literally respect you're describing there. For some reason you have a bee in your bonnet about the specific word but you're describing a very large aspect of the concept.
Oh, and this one too. Just to show that the Mike Pence rule applies too. [link to that stupid ESR post about honeytraps]
You complained about unfounded smears and allegations in a post you made like 5 minutes ago. Now you're posting a link to an unfounded allegation. You have no shame.
Nope, because the first thing that's going to happen now is they'll start sifting through contributors social media accounts to find things that they can sanction them with against the CoC.
This is why I prefer "AFK" to "IRL". It's all real life. If you have a secret attending Neo-Nazi rallies and your friends and family find out you might well be disowned and disinherited. The fact that this can now happen "on the internet" does not change any of this. I do like the sort of hypocrisy where people will dump all over those patents that do something obvious but on a computer/on the internet/on a phone/in the cloud, but when it comes to human behaviour they expect this sort of magical barrier to exist where people aren't allowed to refuse to associate with you if you're an arsehole online.
And they'll bring out the various smear allegations...
Yeah, except it has bullshit catchall clauses that are so vague that any behavior anyone doesn't like falls under it.
That's literally how everything works. The reason is because it's impossible to spell out every eventuality, so someone will fine some loophole and use that to be a dick. Then they'll go all rules-lawyer and point out how it's allowed and the process will repeat indefinitely. IOW your proposal doesn't work with actual dickheads because they're dickheads.
An LLVM contributor left the project in part because he would have been required to sign documents to attend an LLVM conference. It is very much the case that the CoC crowd would rather exclude any amount of talent then tolerate a dissenter.
I love how it always gets left out that the "CoC" crowed i this case was headed by the single largest contributor to LLVM who has something like 10x the contributions of the person who quit.
And as far as I can see the CoC is a codified version of "don't be a dick" with various kinds of dickish behaviour spelled out because some people seem to love to nitpick if it isn't. If you can't agree to not be a dick, tell me why you think other people want you around?
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The fact that all the people with actual power are unelected and unaccountable.
That's a complete fabrication.
MEPs get actualy meaningful votes and are elected. The EU council which has considerable power is drawn from elected officials from the represented countries.
The EU commission is a bunch of civil servants who aren't elected in any system ever.
The fact that if the people with the power don't want something passed, it either isn't addressed, or they play parlimentary games to assure that the vote goes their way
Yes that's called democracy. Vote in people with power. If those people don't want something to happen, it doesn't happen.
And there's no way, beyond violence, to actually redress anything.
Wel that and voting for someone else.
as a totalitarian super-state
You have certainly proven you don't know anything about the EU or totalitarianism.
stealing the right of ACTUAL self-government from the member nations
So if you offer someone cool shit to be part of your club (where they have to abide by the rules), then that's theft when members can leave at any time for any reason. Right. You're an idiot by the way.
The UK's decided to leave as you may recall. Though oddly enough we stop getting all the cool shit. That last part seems to have come as something as a surprise to the Brexiters. They were warned of course but they called the warnings "project fear". Unfortunately calling it so isn't enuogh to persuade M. Barnier to keep giving us all the cool shit.
Again, reasoned arguments. Not slurs.
I love you you post a stupid opinion with zero to back it up and then expect everyone else to jump though some sort of weird formal debating hoops when engaging with you.
if you don't want to be disregarded as just another Putinbot.
He's not a putinbot, he's been here for donkeys years. He is however a useful idiot.
Honestly I'm not really sure I can root for either side.
That's cos you're a dumbass, just saying.
But the EU is AT LEAST equal in how terrible it is.
No it isn't.
Not sure there's actually an acceptable "winner" in this.
The EU.
How, reasonably, should a student know what expectations are upon them unless they are told in quantitatively measurable terms?
Because the students are ideally intelligent and not massive pedants who exist only to nitpick everything to the final degree. Everyone needs to deal in a world where nothing is specified completely. If the students can't cope, then they're probably not up to the task of passing.
They probably specified the paper size, margins, font size and maybe even line spacing. How are the students supposed to know that the kerning isn't a free for all? How can they know that if they submit the requisite 8 pages with only 3 words per line then they'll fail???
Maybe the lesson is that the human race is full of narcissistic self-centered assholes that are selfish for a variety of reasons.
The lesson is that films are not a good way to judge the behaviour of large groups of people.
In this case, a "custom" solution requires thousands of dollars of equipment to take a "one-dollar" chip and attach it properly to a board to do something with it.
You really don't need that much though. You can buy a servicable reflow oven for about... (checks) huh they've gone up in price. About $200 for a T962. They're not great but I've got one and they work well enough. (https://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/reflow-oven)
You can get a servicable iron and hot air gun for rather cheaper than they used to be (an 852D+ model https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.h...). I've got one and it does the job well. You can skip the reflow oven and use the hot air if you're so inclined. I've never done a whole board like that but obviously rework is a thing and I have replaced chips successfully.
Boards you can get cheaply. Like Hackvana and OSHPark.
This guy will do you stencils probably cheaper than your board house:
https://www.smtstencil.co.uk/s...
I've used them and they work very well. I usually splash out the extra and get a stainless steel one though, which for small boards is a little over 2x the cost. Hackvana provides silver-steel tooling pins with the stencils, but you can get them very cheaply. Pins, tooling holes, a chunk of thick MDF and a 4mm drill and I can place the stencils fine enough.
Oh and you need a good supply of acetone for cleaning off the solder paste for when you foul up the screen printing which always happens when I'm out of practice.
You then probably want a good pair of tweesers and a vacuum pickup tool. Both are can be had inexpensively.
With a setup like that I can and have done boards with a mix of chips, down to 0.5mm pitch LGA chips and similar QFN chips, not to mention the scattering of 0402s all around.
You're also mistaken about board assembly houses. I engaged one when I wanted to make 50 of the boards (they were small ones), but I did that when the design was finalised and I wanted to make some prototypes of the full product. The earlier boards soldered myself. The lead time shorter and I could do one at a time. Solder one up eith the full design. Test it, solder up a second slightly differently and put some blue wires in etc.
The total cost of the soldering kit was a few hundred dollars, not a few thousand.
I've seen people do quite amazing jobs with the blob and wipe technique for leaded chips so you could skip the reflow oven too. I've also watched people hand solder QFNs in my local hackspace with a very fine conical tip, using the little bits up the edge of the case. I've never got into those technique because I needed reflow for the LGAs and honestly it seems less fiddly.
I have however deadbugged 0.5mm pitch QFNs and attached to DIP sockets for very early stage prototyping. I can see a cool QFN only chip on my vendor's website, order it, dead bug it when it arrives the next day and try it out in a breadboard.
I'm not in the electronics game professinally at the moment, I did all that when I was, on the cheap at a very lean startup. Got the product to market, too.
I've never worked with a single chip that big, personally, but you're mistaken that it's out of reach of the hobbyist. You can have a setup capable of dealing with a chip like that for under a hundred dollars if you're very careful.
But this is all a bit of s silly discussion. Few people will go for a bare chip like that apropos nothing. Most people will be fairly serious hobbyists because it's quite intimidating. They've most likely got the kit already.
And the market has countless options out there for a DIY Linux box (beaglebone, Pi, etc.) and has for years, so DIY fans aren't exactly short on options.
Those are great and I can't see any use of these $1 hand solderable chips for anything I'm currently working on. But you greatly underestimate the ability of hobbyists and overestimate greatly the costs involved.
Totally - you got it. Just as the others can not force you to a) wear helmet; b) not smoke; c) not copulate with strangers; d) maintain health insurance; etcaetera etcaetera, you can not compel others to treat you in sickness,
Huh turns out you can, whaddya know?
You could ask for the other's charity but you must not be allowed to force anyone.
Nope, just taxes not charity. And I can be allowed to force them to pay.
Freedom, raw.
Freedom to make all the right choices and still die destitute and in agony.
Funy thing is actualy freedom, that is not being beholden to others, doesn't exist in your model for may people. You don't want freedom you waht licence and to be king.
Yep and you're free to die under a rbridge, bankrupt from a treatable health condition.
So free.
This four type of people also sounds like that. But one thing about grandma's nutrition, if you balance all the four things, you find you also get a reasonably balanced meal by modern standards. Not so sure this four type of people sorting would match that performance.
I tried eating the four types. They didn't taste good and I got constipated because of the lack of fiber. BRB cops here
Dude have you ever seen a single chick flick in your entire life. If teenage boys are simply self centred then teenage girls are frankly sadistic in comparison.
Dude have you seen a single horror flick in your entire life? If teenage girls are sadistic then teenage boys are either suicidally stupid or bloodthirsty psychopaths wearing clown masks.
I get that, but Ireland was complicit in the deal. Their punishment, get $16 Billion.
The EU's job is not to punish Ireland, which in practice means punishing its citizens who had little to do with this. The EU's job is to keep the internal market regular and uphold the four freedoms and so on.
It's known as hyperbole.
When you make specific, incorrect claims about an actalperson it's a lie.
You knowingly made specific, incorrect claims about me. That means your a liar.
OK look tell you what. You've still failed to address my point. And lied abot me repeatedly. We both now know you can't actally rebut it because my point is fundamentally correct. Why don't you just admit it already?
Uh, Why?
I can't imagine why anyone would ever wany enything custom ever. We should just consume poducts.
the essence of my statement is that you personally engage in this kind of behavior
That is known as a "lie".
It's a smear tactic to associate those afoul of the "code of conduct" with neo-Nazis.
You clearly don't understand what an "example" is.
My contention is you don't get a free pass on your actions in one sphere just because you try to separate areas of your life. Your response is basically "herp duh SJW *drool* godwin"
I didn't make up any lies about you.
Yes you did. And I've a feeling you're about to do it again.
And it's not just what you say personally, we've seen this calling everybody to the right a neo-Nazi for two years now
So do I or don't I personally call "everybody" neo Nazis? You have two choices here. You go for "do" which is a lie, or got for "don't" in which case your previous claim was a lie.
You literally brought in neo-Nazis
YEs but we both know I didn't accuse anyone of being one. And yet here you are howling about accusations.
You tried to play the "admitted defeat" angle, you 'tard. I just threw it back in your face
Well you have really. I had a pretty simple point, that if you act like an arse people won't want you around. For some reason this appears to offend you and you've responded with lies, insults and attempts at diversion.
But you never once addressed the actual point.
That's admitting defeat and you're doing it more and more with every post :)
And it's not the first time, either. There you are claiming Twitter's censorship was about Nazis.
Are you denying Twitter has banned quite a nmbe of people who do identify as nazis? I'm claiming there that banning nazis doesn't make them far left. I'm also trolling alternative_right.
You tacitly admitted defeat when you mentioned Nazis, you goofball.
Interesting, you didn't actually deny you made up lies about me. The thing is it also seems you're actually incapable of discussing extreme behaviour. You swing wildly between bawling about accusations of Naziism (even though none were present) and banging on the Godwin drum as if this is some great insight you had.
It's nw been 4 posts since I made a point which you abjectly failed to respond to. Tha tmeans you have no respnse.
It seems you've reached the point in the argument where the only way forward is to simply invent a lie about me and then vigorously attack that. That means you've tacitly admitted defeat. No matter my good man, I accept your gracious withdrawal.
Sounds like a variant of totalitarianism to me.
Christ you have an overdeveloped sense of drama. This is basically a description of pretty much every club ever. If you don't agree to the rules, you can't be part of the club. If you think free association is totalitarianism, then I don't think i want to live in your idea of a society.
Respect is a counterproductive misguided precept similar to pride, admiration and allegiance that in the end is at best worthless and at worst harmful.
People who demonstrate trustworthy behavior I am more likely to gamble on.
That's literally respect you're describing there. For some reason you have a bee in your bonnet about the specific word but you're describing a very large aspect of the concept.
Please do not mistake courtesy for respect.
Courtesy stems from a basic level of respect.
Also, realize that _disrespect_ can also be earned.
One way of doing that is to indulge in pointless semantic arguments.
Oh, and this one too. Just to show that the Mike Pence rule applies too. [link to that stupid ESR post about honeytraps]
You complained about unfounded smears and allegations in a post you made like 5 minutes ago. Now you're posting a link to an unfounded allegation. You have no shame.
Nope, because the first thing that's going to happen now is they'll start sifting through contributors social media accounts to find things that they can sanction them with against the CoC.
This is why I prefer "AFK" to "IRL". It's all real life. If you have a secret attending Neo-Nazi rallies and your friends and family find out you might well be disowned and disinherited. The fact that this can now happen "on the internet" does not change any of this. I do like the sort of hypocrisy where people will dump all over those patents that do something obvious but on a computer/on the internet/on a phone/in the cloud, but when it comes to human behaviour they expect this sort of magical barrier to exist where people aren't allowed to refuse to associate with you if you're an arsehole online.
And they'll bring out the various smear allegations...
You have weird fantasies.
Yeah, except it has bullshit catchall clauses that are so vague that any behavior anyone doesn't like falls under it.
That's literally how everything works. The reason is because it's impossible to spell out every eventuality, so someone will fine some loophole and use that to be a dick. Then they'll go all rules-lawyer and point out how it's allowed and the process will repeat indefinitely. IOW your proposal doesn't work with actual dickheads because they're dickheads.
An LLVM contributor left the project in part because he would have been required to sign documents to attend an LLVM conference. It is very much the case that the CoC crowd would rather exclude any amount of talent then tolerate a dissenter.
I love how it always gets left out that the "CoC" crowed i this case was headed by the single largest contributor to LLVM who has something like 10x the contributions of the person who quit.
And as far as I can see the CoC is a codified version of "don't be a dick" with various kinds of dickish behaviour spelled out because some people seem to love to nitpick if it isn't. If you can't agree to not be a dick, tell me why you think other people want you around?