Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
1. All automation in the past was GOOD.
For us now but not for the people at the time. Go and read some Dickens. Life sucked very hard for a lot of people.
2. All automation in the future will be BAD.
So exactly like it was in the past? "we" ight be more productive now, but that's in aggregate not for individuals.
How about we don't make the same mistakes as last time and make it not suck for large amount of the population, eh?
I paid for the car. I expect it to protect my life first.
This sounds like the standard sort of entitlement of your average car driver:
I decided to take the risk of driving a high owered lump of metal around to save a bit of time and I exect it to have consequences for other people if something goes wrong.
You can train your NN with as much data as you want and you will never achieve autonomous driving.
I never said it was "one big ass NN".
Yeah you pretty much were. Perhaps you'd prefer to tell me what you actually mean rather than aking statements then disclaiming the obvious interpretation of them.
And yes, calling it a NN is a scam. And always have been.
Wow you're sore! Did someone con you out of a bunch of oney by persuading you to invest in some scammy startup with "deep learning" in the name?
"Neural Network", "Deap Learning", "Watson" etc. are just vacuous marketing terms.
No they're not, well not the first two. If you can put it down in code, they're not vacuous.
A NN is a combination of dot products and nonlinearities forming a universal approximator.
Since you just read the link you now know that a NN of infinite width and one hidden layer is a universal approixmator in the mathematical sense. Deep learning usually refers to networks that are deeper than the depth required for universl approxiation (it happens that they're uch easier to optimise). It also is used to refer to networks which have no feature detection preprocessing stage and so for which every part is used in the optimiser.
Just because you've only heard the terms used by vacuous marketing types, don't be fooled. Deep learning is a real thing as are neural nets. Go and speak to a practitioner in the field.
Team Blue wants the entire report so they can comb through it line by line searching for something, ANYTHING they can use to continue to push as much negative ( factual or otherwise ) information about
SMD packaging sort of screwed up the "plug and jumper" method of prototyping.
I still use it a fair bit. PDIP is still surprisingly availiable. For everything else, there are SMD breakout boards or failing that, deadbugging a chip into a DIP carrier of somesort works well enough.
Whenever I use them I always use an external programmer and raw C for the ATmega though, because the Arduino IDE drives me nuts.
You can program it over the inbuilt USB programmer using avrdude, and I usually use that. For me it's a tradeoff between how complex the task is, how much control I need and the annoying IDE.
I expect though you can find the headers and.a files and use the environment without the IDE.
I've not done any BGAs at home, but I've certainly done small QFNs and LGAs due to that being the only option for some packages. Yep, more of a pain than SOIC and certainly PDIP, but they're not that bad when you get used to them.
My personal tips are:
Use stencils for applying solder paste. They're inexpensive (you can even get ones cut out of plastic) and make life much easier.
Make sure you make your board with tooling holes (a pair of 4mm holes in one side) and have corresponding holes in your stencil. I use 4mm silver steel tooling pins to do the alignment. I drill holes into a block of old MDF I have lying around with a hand-held power drill (that's precise enough with a steady hand), but you can also buy pre-drilled tooling rigs.
Have a good supply of IPA or acetone for wiping off the solder pasted when you screw up. If in doubt wipe it off and re-apply.
And don't use old solder paste. It has a shelf life once opened, and you can get really crappy results if you use old paste.
With QFN the metallisation goes up to the edge and I've seen people have great success hand soldering those things. Also, I've successfully reworked both QFN and LGA parts. I basically tinned the ads on the board and the chip (fiddly but not too bad), put it down carefully then hit it with a heat gun. You could do that for first time assembly too, but it seems more work than stencilling.
If there's a chip I want to check out and don't want to make a board for I deadbug it on to a DIP carrier and breadboard it. I've successfully deadbugged a number of 0.5mm pitch QFNs.
There is nothing making electronics manufacturing financially impossible in America, and manual labour costs are nowhere as important as some believe.
Depends on what. What you can't get manufactured in the US is the bottom of the bin, razor thin margins, low quality stuff. You need easy access to the Shenzen market of super low quality components for that, with ready substitutions and even re-used parts at times.
If your part is very labour intensive to make that doesn't help either.
If there's some kind of reasonable margin and then yes you can (and I have). It wasn't complex from a manufacturing point of view: all surface mount, almost all parts on one side and I took care with the DMF to minimize the amount of hand work needed.
What can be profitably manufactured in the US is maybe a smaller subset of what can be profitably manufactured in China. But if you've got any certification, quality tracking stuff then it's one hell of a lot easier to get it done in the US. You'd need immense volume before the cost of the effort to do all of that in China was exceeded by the difference in margins.
These kinds of things are actually quite useful for prototyping, not just for Arduino users.
Arduinos are useful for prototyping too. They're pretty popular with engineers who aren't neck deep in microcontrollers all the time, since they provide a cheap, well documented, easily sourced all in one devkit and programmer.
Stop thinking what you see in movies and TV is anything more than fantasy, okay?
You're arguing that you want AI to be human equivalent, so you sometimes you want the AI to get fired, go to a bar and get shitfaced, then drive home at 90 sideswiping parked cars.
Right?
You're the one who wants human equivalence, not me, so given how awful human drivers can be it seems the onus is on you to justify your stance. I mena sure you can just get angry instead. Something, I'd like to point out that self driving cars won't do.
These look pretty neat. Probably worth having a bunch kicking around to save on a lot of faff for the odd one of and/or experiment. Much like arduinos. I probably won't get many though since for my hobby electronics I like doing things by hand, especially doing analogue things. But I only like doing the bits I find personally interesting by hand.
I expect we'll get some people ragging on makers inn this thread though because we always get that, especially arduinos.
Most things don't obey boot theory. Cheap stuff can actually last ages, if you take care of it. Cheap PCs can last decades, a cheap flip phone can last decades. Even cheap boots can probably be repaired to last quite a while -- I've made $10 walmart shoes last quite a few years with shoe goo.
Some cheap stuff lasts for ages, deending on how you treat it. Some cheap stuff is utter junk.
Cheap scredrivers, for example. Not only do they get the ends mushed up quickly, they also mush up the screws too making your life much harder. Not worth the money. Likewise cheap cordless tools.
I find cheap shoes fall apart. I spend good money on my current pair and they've so far lasted through sole replacements and additional heel replacements. The upper is still in really good nick and they're still waterproof, but I walk a lot.
Cheap utilities can, but the running costs are higher than the more expensive ones and they on average break sooner. A good brand like Bosch is likely to have a longer service life.
Bicycles, well it depends where you put the money. Cheapshit bikes need a lot of regular maintainance to stay roadworthy, but so does a really expensive bike if you put the money into performance not low maintainance. If you instead put the money into hub gears, fully encosed chain guards, quality hub brakes of some sort then the think will last for ages on very little maintainance.
Cheap PCs can last for decades? We've only recently reached the point where PCs hace a service life of a decade. Prior to that they were long obsolete and pretty much usless after 10 years. A cheap PC probably would last fine with some maintainance; there's not much to go wrong and bits like keyboards can be easily replaced. Laptops maybe? My eee900 lasted ages (keyboard broke finally), and it was cheap, though of surprisingly good build quality since it was so low spec. It wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of years in the hands of someone who wasn't familiar with Linux system administration.
My big expensive thinkpad is in it's 9th year and showing no signs of slowing down, though I didn't carry it round nearly as much as the eee due to it's impressive weight and bulk.
Part of things lasting a long time is putting in maintainance time. That's fine if you have the time, skill, tools and knowledge, but a lot of people don't. Being poor is time consuming too.
No fucking way. Never, ever, would I ride in one of those. Full-on general AI (which we are no where NEAR having yet BTW) or nothing at all. Has to be equivalent to a human mind. No compromises./em.
so you want an AI to be able to get impatient, angry, tird and distracted? Why on earth do you want that?
Now I'm sure you'll either uiently slink away and pretend you never commented ot tell me why electon fraud is jsut fine really and we should honour the results of a tainted election.
Then why did the remain campaign not expose the lies of the leave campaign before the vote?
They did.
If all the evidence is in favour of remain, then why did the remain campaign do such a poor job of informing the voters?
The remain job did do a pretty poor job, but the sheer brazenness of the leave camaign was something new. Everyone knows politicians weasel, break pledges and lie by omission etc. The attitude of splatting an outright bald faced lie front and centre was new to British politics. So people believed it.
And of course, people would rather believe a simple lie that tells them what they want to hear than a complex truth that doesn't.
There were zero ballot papers which had only those two parties on them, so there were always other options.
Except we both know that's not how the system works. You could literally justify any foolishness by a country having a two party system. Oh that's exactly what you're doing!
Thing is we both know 48% voted to stay. We also both know if the referendum were rerun in a non fraudulent manner now, a majority would vote remain which is why you're so chickenshit scared of having too much democracy.
Only a fool and a liar can claim that means 80% want to leave. but youre a Brexiter so I repeat myself.
Slashdot Mirror
Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.
Fuckwit. Democratically elected representatives in the EU passed those stupid laws.
Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
1. All automation in the past was GOOD.
For us now but not for the people at the time. Go and read some Dickens. Life sucked very hard for a lot of people.
2. All automation in the future will be BAD.
So exactly like it was in the past? "we" ight be more productive now, but that's in aggregate not for individuals.
How about we don't make the same mistakes as last time and make it not suck for large amount of the population, eh?
Well, yes. The owner is the one who paid for the car. It is a reasonable expectation that a priority be given to ensuring the safety of the owner.
Yes, they paid MONEY so their lives take priority. Because money.
I paid for the car. I expect it to protect my life first.
This sounds like the standard sort of entitlement of your average car driver:
I decided to take the risk of driving a high owered lump of metal around to save a bit of time and I exect it to have consequences for other people if something goes wrong.
You said this:
You can train your NN with as much data as you want and you will never achieve autonomous driving.
I never said it was "one big ass NN".
Yeah you pretty much were. Perhaps you'd prefer to tell me what you actually mean rather than aking statements then disclaiming the obvious interpretation of them.
And yes, calling it a NN is a scam. And always have been.
Wow you're sore! Did someone con you out of a bunch of oney by persuading you to invest in some scammy startup with "deep learning" in the name?
"Neural Network", "Deap Learning", "Watson" etc. are just vacuous marketing terms.
No they're not, well not the first two. If you can put it down in code, they're not vacuous.
A NN is a combination of dot products and nonlinearities forming a universal approximator.
Since you just read the link you now know that a NN of infinite width and one hidden layer is a universal approixmator in the mathematical sense. Deep learning usually refers to networks that are deeper than the depth required for universl approxiation (it happens that they're uch easier to optimise). It also is used to refer to networks which have no feature detection preprocessing stage and so for which every part is used in the optimiser.
Just because you've only heard the terms used by vacuous marketing types, don't be fooled. Deep learning is a real thing as are neural nets. Go and speak to a practitioner in the field.
Team Blue wants the entire report so they can comb through it line by line searching for something, ANYTHING they can use to continue to push as much negative ( factual or otherwise ) information about
You mean just like Benghazi?
SMD packaging sort of screwed up the "plug and jumper" method of prototyping.
I still use it a fair bit. PDIP is still surprisingly availiable. For everything else, there are SMD breakout boards or failing that, deadbugging a chip into a DIP carrier of somesort works well enough.
Whenever I use them I always use an external programmer and raw C for the ATmega though, because the Arduino IDE drives me nuts.
You can program it over the inbuilt USB programmer using avrdude, and I usually use that. For me it's a tradeoff between how complex the task is, how much control I need and the annoying IDE.
I expect though you can find the headers and .a files and use the environment without the IDE.
I've not done any BGAs at home, but I've certainly done small QFNs and LGAs due to that being the only option for some packages. Yep, more of a pain than SOIC and certainly PDIP, but they're not that bad when you get used to them.
My personal tips are:
Use stencils for applying solder paste. They're inexpensive (you can even get ones cut out of plastic) and make life much easier.
Make sure you make your board with tooling holes (a pair of 4mm holes in one side) and have corresponding holes in your stencil. I use 4mm silver steel tooling pins to do the alignment. I drill holes into a block of old MDF I have lying around with a hand-held power drill (that's precise enough with a steady hand), but you can also buy pre-drilled tooling rigs.
Have a good supply of IPA or acetone for wiping off the solder pasted when you screw up. If in doubt wipe it off and re-apply.
And don't use old solder paste. It has a shelf life once opened, and you can get really crappy results if you use old paste.
With QFN the metallisation goes up to the edge and I've seen people have great success hand soldering those things. Also, I've successfully reworked both QFN and LGA parts. I basically tinned the ads on the board and the chip (fiddly but not too bad), put it down carefully then hit it with a heat gun. You could do that for first time assembly too, but it seems more work than stencilling.
If there's a chip I want to check out and don't want to make a board for I deadbug it on to a DIP carrier and breadboard it. I've successfully deadbugged a number of 0.5mm pitch QFNs.
There is nothing making electronics manufacturing financially impossible in America, and manual labour costs are nowhere as important as some believe.
Depends on what. What you can't get manufactured in the US is the bottom of the bin, razor thin margins, low quality stuff. You need easy access to the Shenzen market of super low quality components for that, with ready substitutions and even re-used parts at times.
If your part is very labour intensive to make that doesn't help either.
If there's some kind of reasonable margin and then yes you can (and I have). It wasn't complex from a manufacturing point of view: all surface mount, almost all parts on one side and I took care with the DMF to minimize the amount of hand work needed.
What can be profitably manufactured in the US is maybe a smaller subset of what can be profitably manufactured in China. But if you've got any certification, quality tracking stuff then it's one hell of a lot easier to get it done in the US. You'd need immense volume before the cost of the effort to do all of that in China was exceeded by the difference in margins.
These kinds of things are actually quite useful for prototyping, not just for Arduino users.
Arduinos are useful for prototyping too. They're pretty popular with engineers who aren't neck deep in microcontrollers all the time, since they provide a cheap, well documented, easily sourced all in one devkit and programmer.
Stop thinking what you see in movies and TV is anything more than fantasy, okay?
You're arguing that you want AI to be human equivalent, so you sometimes you want the AI to get fired, go to a bar and get shitfaced, then drive home at 90 sideswiping parked cars.
Right?
You're the one who wants human equivalence, not me, so given how awful human drivers can be it seems the onus is on you to justify your stance. I mena sure you can just get angry instead. Something, I'd like to point out that self driving cars won't do.
Everyone I know pluralizes it as "lego". Having an "s" on the end makes it sound as weird as "sheeps" or "pantses".
These look pretty neat. Probably worth having a bunch kicking around to save on a lot of faff for the odd one of and/or experiment. Much like arduinos. I probably won't get many though since for my hobby electronics I like doing things by hand, especially doing analogue things. But I only like doing the bits I find personally interesting by hand.
I expect we'll get some people ragging on makers inn this thread though because we always get that, especially arduinos.
Breaking election finance rules is not fraud. Stop talking shit.
Yes it is. If the election was a binding referendum then by the UK rules it would have ot be rerun.
Now I'd like you to:
1. stop talking shit
2. Stop undermining democracy by following results of tainted elections.
Look until a self driving car can get fired, got to a bar, get shitfaced then drive home at 90 miles an hour then there's no way I'm getting in one.
You can train your NN with as much data as you want and you will never achieve autonomous driving.
The entire driving system is not a big ass NN. The NN's form components of it like object detection and semantic segmentation.
That is what Tesla-nuts don't understand: NN work NOTHING like the human brain does.
It doesn't really matter what the tesla-nuts understand, it matters what the engineers at Tesla understant.
The fact that they are even called neural nets is a scam.
Oh get over yourself. They've been called artificial neural networks for decades and no one gave a crap until recently.
Most things don't obey boot theory. Cheap stuff can actually last ages, if you take care of it. Cheap PCs can last decades, a cheap flip phone can last decades. Even cheap boots can probably be repaired to last quite a while -- I've made $10 walmart shoes last quite a few years with shoe goo.
Some cheap stuff lasts for ages, deending on how you treat it. Some cheap stuff is utter junk.
Cheap scredrivers, for example. Not only do they get the ends mushed up quickly, they also mush up the screws too making your life much harder. Not worth the money. Likewise cheap cordless tools.
I find cheap shoes fall apart. I spend good money on my current pair and they've so far lasted through sole replacements and additional heel replacements. The upper is still in really good nick and they're still waterproof, but I walk a lot.
Cheap utilities can, but the running costs are higher than the more expensive ones and they on average break sooner. A good brand like Bosch is likely to have a longer service life.
Bicycles, well it depends where you put the money. Cheapshit bikes need a lot of regular maintainance to stay roadworthy, but so does a really expensive bike if you put the money into performance not low maintainance. If you instead put the money into hub gears, fully encosed chain guards, quality hub brakes of some sort then the think will last for ages on very little maintainance.
Cheap PCs can last for decades? We've only recently reached the point where PCs hace a service life of a decade. Prior to that they were long obsolete and pretty much usless after 10 years. A cheap PC probably would last fine with some maintainance; there's not much to go wrong and bits like keyboards can be easily replaced. Laptops maybe? My eee900 lasted ages (keyboard broke finally), and it was cheap, though of surprisingly good build quality since it was so low spec. It wouldn't have lasted more than a couple of years in the hands of someone who wasn't familiar with Linux system administration.
My big expensive thinkpad is in it's 9th year and showing no signs of slowing down, though I didn't carry it round nearly as much as the eee due to it's impressive weight and bulk.
Part of things lasting a long time is putting in maintainance time. That's fine if you have the time, skill, tools and knowledge, but a lot of people don't. Being poor is time consuming too.
No fucking way. Never, ever, would I ride in one of those. Full-on general AI (which we are no where NEAR having yet BTW) or nothing at all. Has to be equivalent to a human mind. No compromises./em.
so you want an AI to be able to get impatient, angry, tird and distracted? Why on earth do you want that?
It's been all over the news n and off and you act like it never happened. No wonder you support Brexit: reality just doesn't fit your worldview.
https://www.theguardian.com/co...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...
https://www.theguardian.com/po...
https://www.electoralcommissio...
Now I'm sure you'll either uiently slink away and pretend you never commented ot tell me why electon fraud is jsut fine really and we should honour the results of a tainted election.
Then why did the remain campaign not expose the lies of the leave campaign before the vote?
They did.
If all the evidence is in favour of remain, then why did the remain campaign do such a poor job of informing the voters?
The remain job did do a pretty poor job, but the sheer brazenness of the leave camaign was something new. Everyone knows politicians weasel, break pledges and lie by omission etc. The attitude of splatting an outright bald faced lie front and centre was new to British politics. So people believed it.
And of course, people would rather believe a simple lie that tells them what they want to hear than a complex truth that doesn't.
Really? Why now when they haven't in the past?
It's now obvious how much of a lie the Brexit campaign was.
Users are ALREADY making some sacrifices by installing and using Linux,
I mean techincally you're going to give u something no matter which you choose, but installing the best OS does mean making the minimum sacrafice.
That's Linux by the way.
No. But fuck you anyway.
Yes, and you're welcome.
There were zero ballot papers which had only those two parties on them, so there were always other options.
Except we both know that's not how the system works. You could literally justify any foolishness by a country having a two party system. Oh that's exactly what you're doing!
Thing is we both know 48% voted to stay. We also both know if the referendum were rerun in a non fraudulent manner now, a majority would vote remain which is why you're so chickenshit scared of having too much democracy.
Only a fool and a liar can claim that means 80% want to leave. but youre a Brexiter so I repeat myself.