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Online Petition Site Crashed By Millions of 'Cancel Brexit' Signers (time.com)
"More than 3 million people have signed a petition to cancel Brexit on the U.K. government's official petitions website -- so many that the website crashed multiple times," reports Time:
The petition had received some 600,000 signatures at a rate of 1,500 every 60 seconds before the site crashed at about 9 a.m. U.K. time on Thursday, the Guardian reported. By mid afternoon, the site was back online but suffering intermittent outages. There were 2 million signatures by Thursday evening and 3 million by midday Friday...
The U.K. government must now allow a debate on the petition's contents in parliament.
The Guardian notes that the CTO of company that built the petition site had bragged in a tweet Wednesday that the 1,000 signatures per minute was "Not too bad, but nowhere near crashing the site --you all need to try harder tomorrow."
By the next morning he had tweeted âoeWell done everyone -- the site crashed because calculating the trending count became too much of a load on the database."
The U.K. government must now allow a debate on the petition's contents in parliament.
The Guardian notes that the CTO of company that built the petition site had bragged in a tweet Wednesday that the 1,000 signatures per minute was "Not too bad, but nowhere near crashing the site --you all need to try harder tomorrow."
By the next morning he had tweeted âoeWell done everyone -- the site crashed because calculating the trending count became too much of a load on the database."
They expect one of us in the wreckage!
1500 per 60 seconds is nothing a well designed database can't handle.
Signatures to the petition aren't verified as being British citizens and it doesn't prevent multiple voting. This has been demonstrated by newspapers. Analysis has already shown a large number of signatures from outside the UK, including North Korea and Russia.
Who else would spend time signing pointless online petitions.
like its 2001....
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
There has never been any possibility whatsoever that the UK would leave the EU.
Hey nice try Vlag...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47678275
Time to hang this traitor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946
Do you live in a sovereign state in the US? Does it have open borders with neighbor member-states? You seem to hate it without remembering where they got the idea.
Or wait, you must be from Texas.
...Analysis has already shown a large number of signatures from outside the UK, including North Korea and Russia.
Last time I checked there were shown to be 25 from Russia... The petition site is far from infallible but this is one of the most signed petitions since the sites inception, and clearly the one with the highest signing rate - Aren't you missing the point.
n/t
17 million voted to the EU and in the second vote (which we've already had, something the petitioners dishonestly ignore) 25 million voted for political parties that had 'leave the EU' in their party manifesto.
So forgive me if I ignore the constant stream of selfish stupid people demanding that we ignore the democratic wishes of the UK population. Perhaps instead they should focus on removing the hundreds of MPs doing their best to overturn that democracy.
Because the public should not live in a police state where they are held prisoner by the government that can't manage to convince them to stay.
Some of us don't want to live in a country that treats people as slaves.
It looks like the BBC has been infiltrated by agents acting on behalf of Russia.
More than 4 million sign Brexit petition to revoke article 50.
See the Petition. 4,392,160 signatures at Saturday, March 23, 2019, 09:11 am Pacific Time.
The first vote was tainted by flawed information, lies essentially, presented to the distracted public. It barely won. Yes, a new referendum is a good idea, one based on new, rock-solid (and very economically sobering) information.
Don't be retarded. If your defense is you had a vote, another vote should not be a threat.
Texas, Mexico. It's part of that country.
Over 33 million votes were cast in the original referendum - 51.9% Yea / 48.1% Nay.
If all it takes to invalidate a national referendum is that 20% of the Nay voters sign an online petition, then who controls the society?
The states are not sovereign. Look at what happened when some tried to secede.
People's Democratic Republic of California, comrade.
You'll need to show your Tesla registration and proof of ability to make rent at the border.
Texas has open borders with several US states. They also have felt the effects of illegal immigration. But as well the benefits if you know something of Texas history.
But you seem not to know much about anything except you can drive across state lines freely. Maybe look at a map sometime and pick up a book on Texas history before you accuse. Also visit sometime and bask in the cultural diversity and not the caricature you probably picked up on television.
Ignorance is not bliss.
Even if you got half the planet to sign a petition in favor of Hillary it doesn't change a thing. If you are an American, Trump is your president.
Britain will be leaving the EU and it's a great thing.
Texas history = Mexico. Texas future = Mexico.
It's the cry-baby syndrome. They call for repeated do-overs until they get the results they want.
Same happened after Trump was legally elected. The left cried Russia, we won the popular vote, impeachment, change the Constitution, etc.
Germany has always considered the UK to be part of the Homeland.
The first vote was tainted by flawed information, lies essentially, presented to the distracted public. It barely won. Yes, a new referendum is a good idea, one based on new, rock-solid (and very economically sobering) information.
Don't be retarded. If your defense is you had a vote, another vote should not be a threat.
I posted this comment. It has been modded down: The British government is VERY poorly managed.
One example: The EU leave campaign has dishonesty at its core-- and it hasn't convinced us. (Mar. 11, 2016, not 2019)
Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU (Jan. 31, 2019)
In general, the British government has presented low-level details, and not generally helped citizens have a serious, in-depth understanding.
Let us know when it reaches 17 million.
it's sad they can't plan to make a system to handle the load. It's not impossible, it takes planning and expertise.
Both of those are missing in that area or brexit wouldn't have been an issue to begin with.
yes because 'cultural diversity' has always promoted peace, right?
You are right about one part: ignorance is not bliss, yours included.
What is the EU and how does it work? An un-dated explanation by the BBC. (Before the end of 2017.)
In two years they went from "easiest trade deal, we hold all the cards, germany has to sell us cars, have our cake and eat it" to "we always knew our economy would crash and we would lose jobs, we never promised a deal, we will survive just like the blitz".
Fucking idiots and grifters all of them.
If only rights would also cross State lines, because right now many States trample all over your Constitutionally enumerated rights...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
UK has always been responsible for their borders.
UK politicians chose to not enforce their borders and deport EU citizens mooching off welfare.
They blamed the EU, even though other EU countries deport people just fine.
They are just blaming the EU for their own incompetence.
Then you have zero argument against a new vote. One based on verifiable information instead of the lies the UKIP faggot traitors told. Sorry, comrade Russian incels, you lose.
Who gives a flying fuck about this "petition"? The people already spoke through their official vote, down with the EU and down with World Government!
Thatâ(TM)s not what happens today. FUD is doing a good job of helping those destructive to society get in power and stay in power. In the meantime a well researched stance is screamed at for being elitist, left wing, supporting already defeated candidates and non-patriotic
Donâ(TM)t underestimate the power of the misinformed populist vote. It has hurt the US, the UK and other countries.
"Oh, if only our citizens had been correctly informed, they would never have voted for Brexit!"
That seems to be the defining rationale for all the dissent in the UK today, and it's complete and total bullocks. It's used as justification by people who didn't get their way to make the transition as painful as possible with the faint hope of reversing the decision.
Firstly, leaving the EU is objectively a better decision than staying, from an economic, cultural, and game-theory point of view. The economic arguments for staying are based on invalid assumptions(*), and in practice staying in the EU is causing more economic hardship than staying.
The arguments against leaving center mostly on the transition, and not the end result. It's always what will happen "in the next 6 months" or "in the following year" and whatnot. No one will admit that the UK could voluntarily implement all the agreements it currently has with the EU - such as unrestricted travel between nations - and there would be little hardship.
But mostly, the argument that "not enough correct information got out" and "people would have chosen differently with better information" is completely false.
Most people simply don't think what people tell them to think any more, and instead they rely on what they can see. So let's examine this: what do the UK people actually see when they look around their country nowadays?
The UK culture has undergone a massive shift these past 30 years, and the people are not happy with the results. Teens are stabbed every week in London, people are being arrested for online criticism, jobs are hard to come by, and different-culture people are everywhere.
That's what drove the vote to Brexit and if you held the referendum again you would find *more* people would vote for it, simply because the changes have become worse in the past 2 years.
I suppose the single most obvious culture shift indication was in the police: in previous decades, bobbies didn't have to carry guns. Nowadays UK police they are armed and armored like US swat teams.
Your opinion and votes matter more than ever. We should not need to resort to demeaning opponents (dead or alive) to try to make our arguments. Taking time to understand what scares a person will likely help make a better argument for trying to win them over.
You are giving the people too little credit. Making them "not scared" by talking or presenting information or reasoning simply won't work. You can only make people "not scared" by making them safer. No amount of argument will change that basic fact.
You give the people of the UK to little credit. They chose, and even if you don't agree with it you should abide by that choice.
(*) For example, the assumption that a bigger pool of workers and jobs makes for a better economy. When the countries are economically equal it works out - a dental hygenist in the UK can get a good job in Germany, and vice versa. When this assumption doesn't holds true the better country gets pulled down - a dental hygienist in Greece can get a good job in the UK, but the reverse isn't true. The result is massive unemployment in the UK while high-paying jobs are filled with non-UK citizens. A large number of assumptions - which turn out to be false - underlie the economic arguments for being in the EU.
The Constitution enumerates powers, not rights. 9th and 10th amendments.
WTF?
Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The Ninth is all about rights; the 10th explicitly reserves any powers not enumerated in the Constitution for the States and the People - NOT the Federal Government. It says nothing about the preceding 9 rights... Once again, you are proving that most ACs are idiots.
So unless you are going to count the petition for staying in the EU as the SECOND LARGEST VOTE ever, your claim is complete horsehit.
So it's the typical rightwing nutjob response: I don't like that answer, I want to accuse you of making a different choice!!!!
You keep bleating and bleating about leaving if you don't get your way then when you do, despite several votes of "STFU, moron", you suddenly don't want a recount...
It was called the Referendum.
If you voted against leaving, your voice was already heard - deal with it.
If you didn't vote, you chose to silence yourself - deal with it.
Maybe next time you'll pay more attention to politics?
...most of those fervent "down-voters" couldn't be arsed to get out of their chairs and actually vote back when IT COUNTED.
Sadly, in real life you don't get a "do over" just because you weren't paying attention the first time, or because you're on the (to you and ALL YOUR FRIENDS) "right" side.
I'm guessing, of course, but if the groundswell so "universally" portrayed today had actually voted, Brexit would have gone down without question.
-Styopa
You know that UK citizens can live abroad, right?
And most of them live in Russia because they miss the weather at home???
Or, here's a thought, maybe it's super likely that a poll where anyone around the world CAN vote, saw a whole bunch of people around the world voting who are not UK citizens. Which do YOU think is more likely?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
There was even more dissenting during the ww2 blitz I'm sure. They were saying the same things back then about unity and bullsh1t. These people had the privilege of obscurity. The current bunch of fools have left posts all over social media. Unfortunately for them, what they say matters little to history and its established patterns. The sovereign united kingdom will once again prevail over the unstable gang of germany and its sattelites. Obviously a perverted frankenstein like that cannot be called a union. All these dissidents will be second rate citizens and they deserve it. It was their choise to be on the wrong side of history while knowing its patterns.
PS. I'm an EU citizen and I'm packing right now for Brittain to lend a hand to the good fight. Join in to take the monster down
WHY should there not be a vote based on the ACTUAL FINANCIAL INFORMATION? Why do you need to pretend a vote based on proven lies from UKIP is somehow more representative of the will of Britons? Stop lying traitor.
UKIP pretended this was going to be a massive economic windfall, the opposite is true. The public knows now how dangerous this path is. Before the vote it wasn't even 10% discovered. Good information replaced bad, new vote assured.
Brexiters should move back to Moscow. Fuck you traitors and liars. If you want to leave the UK in an orderly fashion, that's fine. A new vote will see that happen.
Your lies will not.
1500 signatures per minute, in favor of a profoundly anti-popular measure? No sir, that's _definitely_ not the work of a bot army. No siree!
for this mess.
Seriously, they thought they could leave the EU, keep the current state (no border) between the republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, and remain out of the EU customs union and single market. I am quite surprised 52% of the voters bought that BS.
If you RTFS, you would know it was the ever changing trend analysis that brought them down.
They most certainly could have done better, but there's no indication it had anything to do with pushing static assets.
The logging and authentication of votes and performing of the analysis of the data should have been handled by different machines. Expecting one system to do both would be like a restaurant losing its chef and asking the waitress to fill in for him while also acting as a waitress, greeter, manager, and stock boy.
And run the cash register, and clean the floors and restrooms, empty the grease trap, file the restaurant tax papers and manage payroll, devise a new ad campaign, handle permits, health code compliance, not to mention finding, interviewing and training as needed, the replacement chef, all by herself, and all at the same time.
Also, the roof needs to be re-tarred, the parking lot needs resurfacing, the cracked sidewalks out front are a tripping hazard and a lawsuit waiting to happen, and... oops, the power just went out, so... you get the idea.
These should have been separate, or better still, the tabulation could have waited until voting ENDED. As it should be. Voting on anything should not be swayed one way or another by how people vote while it is still going on. The interim returns should always read, simply — it is too close to call — until it is over.
Personally I think we should stay in Europe, I was born a British Europian and strongly believe it is the best thing for the UK and Europe. I work all over the UK and Europe and have raised my family to embrace their British Europian identity. Please don't take away my family's identity.
But I understand that half of my country disagree with me and we need to reconciliate.
Let us add into UK law that we need to renew our membership of Europe by referendum. Let's have one tomorrow and then one every 25 years.
This will let us get out of this current mess (whoever you blame) and reset our position. If we do this every 25 years it allows us to plan a strong partnership or independence strategy as a country. It allows us to get past all the politicians with personal goals which don't help the common person.
We need to move forward as one United country, United Kingdom, United continent, United planet.
I love you my brothers and sisters, let's just move forward in peace together.
Let me guess: the fucking page was trying to push 1MB of HTML, 2MB of CSS, 5MB of javascript and 10MB of images for each page hit?
That's a pretty fucking terrible guess... anyone who bothered to follow the link would see one of the most spartan sites on the web - then it's just a button (12) and a mouse click (network tab) away to find out that it's a whopping 67 KiB... so no, your completely and utterly wrong. Also serving static content is almost never the bottleneck in any website, pipes are enormous these days and static content is the easiest think in the world to distribute among a cluster.
Oh, she can remain as a mistress.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Every single reason I have seen for staying has been fear based, apparently the world will stop spinning on its axis.
Every single reason I have seen for leaving has been for more personal responsibility, for example people want their vote to matter, not be ruled by unelected bureaucrats.
There are over 100,000 legal acts, court verdicts and standards amongst many more things that cannot be voted on by citizens. What do people when they have zero recourse over their lives?
Mistress to her son?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Theresa May and Jeremy Corbin have spent the past few years arguing about how the deck chairs on the Titanic should be arranged. Meanwhile, news organizations like BBC keep rooting for the iceberg to win. But none of them will listen to the best option of all: turn the ship around.
It's only democracy when it goes our way!
WAAAAAHHHH.
> The first vote was tainted by flawed information, lies essentially, presented to the distracted public. It barely won. Yes, a new referendum is a good idea, one based on new, rock-solid (and very economically sobering) information. ... which you seem to be keeping in a locked file cabinet in a disused lavatory in a basement where both the lights and stairs are out. I love the excuse though. "People stupidly voted against me, so we need to vote again!"
> Don't be retarded. If your defense is you had a vote, another vote should not be a threat.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that "vote until things go my way" is at best a waste of time and at worst a good way to help people cheat. How about this, everyone else can use your idea, but only when they don't like the way you vote. Deal or no deal?
Thatâ(TM)s not what happens today. FUD is doing a good job of helping those destructive to society get in power and stay in power. In the meantime a well researched stance is screamed at for being elitist, left wing, supporting already defeated candidates and non-patriotic
Donâ(TM)t underestimate the power of the misinformed populist vote. It has hurt the US, the UK and other countries.
Your opinion and votes matter more than ever. We should not need to resort to demeaning opponents (dead or alive) to try to make our arguments. Taking time to understand what scares a person will likely help make a better argument for trying to win them over.
The changes our societies need are (or certainly seem) greater than can be effected by change within the current system. New laws need to be enacted to end corruption but never will be BECAUSE they would need to be drafted and passed by the very same people whose interests those new laws would be contrary to.
Put simply:
1. Complacent or stupid or lazy people install, or suffer to be installed by others, elected officials carelessly.
2. Poorly chosen elected officials are bought off by people and/or corporations with lots of money.
3. In exchange for that money, corrupt politicians write, rewrite, massage, amend, or repeal or otherwise strike down laws to the benefit of their wealthy paymasters.
4. Corrupt governmental bodies (full now of mostly corrupt, morally bankrupt, criminal, conniving, or just downright stupid and/or unqualified, or any one or more of the foregoing up to and including possibly all of the above or worse,) continue to facilitate the hoarding of the wealth of the society in a few at the expense of all.
5. Tendrils of corruption reach out into all subdivisions and branches; partisan, bought-and-paid-for politicians ignore reality and install judges likely to be sympathetic to their cause and either permissive of, or outright supporting, aiding, and abetting the furtherance of corruption. This includes the “Supreme Court”. If you need proof, how’s about “Citizens United”... for one?
Government formed with the words, “WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT” ends up, ironically, becoming destructive to these ends, but the disparity between the power of the oppressed and their oppressor, when these words were written and took their place in history, is today about a million times greater.
American patriots who vastly outnumbered what the armies of their oppressor could bring to bear against them won as much by luck as anything else. Given the separation by an ocean and all that THAT entails, and the fact that the fastest means of communication between their government and their army and navy took months to convey information or instructions, (each way,) not to mention that they had other things on their mind, (like not being taken over by the French... again,) the odds, steep as they were, were immensely better than those of the citizens of the US being able to repair their broken government by force. Even during the American Civil War, with nearly half the country in open revolt, and things like airplanes, the telephone, radio communications, satellite communications and surveillance, rampant local surveillance, etc., still far-off, mostly undreamt, and definitely not yet available, they were unable to resist “Union” forces. Those forces they could not overcome, if combined and were to try to fight against the US government of today, would be crushed in seconds. What chance does the individual have today.
I’m not even ending that question with a question mark because really there IS no question.
So back to the U.K. , since this discussion is ostensibly about Brexit...
The U.K. has very nearly, in the modern day, the same problems as her erstwhile daughter, the US, partially enumerated above. But at least they
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
Can we use this excuse to impeach trump? The voters were lied to by RussianZ.
Just prep and stock up the slashdot expert says. 4Head
Someone post the Comic about too many standards ;)
Yes, very impressive. 4% of the population signed an online petition. Bow before the power of the people!
Except an internet poll counts for very, very little. Try making your voice heard when it *really* matters. Like, say.... maybe in an election? If I recall, about 51% of the people who actually count (aka the ones that bother to vote) went for the collective temper-tantrum that is Brexit. It would take another referendum to stop it.
The world is in some sort of retrenching phase right now. Far left and right wings on the rise, anger breaking out everywhere, treaties and alliances crumbling. Crap leaders taking power or getting elected all over the world and voters seem alright with it. It's not for lack of good candidates. It's just that most leaders who dare to be reasonable get rapidly replaced by autocrats or demagogues who are shouting the most extreme stuff at the most extreme volume. I'm not sure what's going on. It's not limited to any country or region, so it must be something emergent in the whole population. Brexit is a small part of a much larger human trend.
We'll snap out of this eventually, but no country is gonna move forward for the next decade or two. I suspect that whatever country manages to backtrack the least will be the one that winds up on top. My money is on the U.S. or Europe.
You guys should start up a Nordic Union: Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark.
Really? A mere 1500 req/s killed it?
Poor architecture decisions. Cancel his contract.
The Guardian is maybe the best news source if you only want anti-Brexit news.
Mass London protest demands second referendum on Brexit. (Mar 23, 2019)
Quote: "Hundreds of thousands of people have poured onto the streets of central London asking to have a final say on Britain's departure from the European Union."
you and your red-headed dumb bitch daughter 'merka get what you deserve for spawning, and perpetuating greed, avarice, nihilism.
The royal family has inbed before.
Brexit legally scheduled for 29 March 2019 at 11 pm UK time. less than 6 days from now.
Read https://petition.parliament.uk... which got a government response
Consider https://petition.parliament.uk... which read We’ll have to reject your petition if: It calls for the same action as a petition that’s already open
Ask: why did they allow the petition https://petition.parliament.uk... post nine days later when it is essentially the same?
The government likes to play head games with the minds of the people.... shrug...
It's a FEATURE!!!!
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Do you live in a sovereign state in the US? Does it have open borders with neighbor member-states? You seem to hate it without remembering where they got the idea.
They won't let us prevent entry, but we did used to have a sign asking people not to come back.
California has a border post on the freeway and refuses entry to fruits and vegetables, though humans and pets are allowed through unchecked.
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Hahaha, what is this? Russian democracy?
Way to go UK. You guys arnt making a mockery of everything....
Maybe we've simply reached peek freedom, once enough generations have gone by, the coddled masses forget how to be responsible adults and vote to enslave themselves
Yugoslavia votes to make Croatia rejoin Yugoslavia.
Argentina says its has millions of votes on the issue of the Falkland Islands.
French voters vote for a return of the monarchy.
The USA votes to become part of England again.
Ireland votes to become part of England again.
All of Korea votes to become part of Japan again.
South Africa votes on getting South-West Africa back.
East Germany votes to build a wall.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Liberals are once again reminded that they are in the minority.
Trump legitimately defeated Hillary.
And Brexit was legitimately approved by the voters.
Liberals, are you tired of losing yet?
Time to Brexit, fam. The vote's been had. Bye bye EU! Shouldn't have been such shit.
"-you all need to try harder tomorrow."
HAHA! So he just told every DDos botnet operator to "go ahead, crash my website"
I bet he begged Tommy Tucker the school bully to dunk his head into the toilet back in his school years.
some 16 million voted to stay and 17 million voted to leave. a petition of 3-4 million from either side is simply to small to be considered, now if they got 20 million then that would be something as it would actually demonstrate a change of mind, as it is this could just be the same people that were outvoted at the referendum trying to get their way.
We had two votes. That must mean something. You don't get to browbeat the people and keep voting until you get the answer you seek. That's how the EU works and we want no part of that.
Something tedious like no-deal Brexit versus remain?
Naw, too boring. How about a new referendum to decide if the "Great" in "Great Britain" has become oxymoronic? Also the "United" in "United Kingdom".
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
oh thats true ? ...
my final review
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Not only is the BBC funded more or less by taxpayer money (and is therefore paid regardless of performance), but it's staffed by globalists who couldn't care less about Britain as a nation.
The British natives (whites) have a long and storied history of fighting control by outsiders.
The reality is that the referendum was barely won. In fact, Vote Leave expected to lose. Not only that, Nigel Farage is on record saying that winning my a couple of percent wouldn't count in his mind. Hours later, Vote Leave had won and he never mentioned that point again. As is so often the case with Nigel he was anally communicating. The reason many oppose a new vote isn't because it was already decided. They only see it in terms of a competition and therefore it was won and that's the end of it. The idea that this isn't meant to be about competition but about democracy and the best advantage for the country seems to escape them.
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So your accusaiton is completely meaningless. All you've REALLY said is you hate the BBC's stance and therefore they must be evil people.
About a third didn't vote, and the exits were barely ahead of the remain (48-52). But trust the brexit bullshitters to lie about stats they don't even know.
So I guess what happens when you leave is still in the future. Guess what a future prediction not yet come true means? FUCK ALL.
PS where's that 740mil/day for the NHS gone???
So you don't get to pull "the old X trick" when you did the trick in the prior post, moron. And if the people can't change their mind, then you are not allowed to leave since it was decided to enter in 1972. Done deal.
You know it lied, you know you're lying now, but you cannot admit to either.
If all it said was "We are spending 350m on the EU", then your claim would be correct. Since you need to explain the inclusion of the apparently, according to the lying shithole you parrot's openly voiced claim, irrelevant NHS being included in that poster.
Wales is the one that got invaded and taken over, the welsh nobs all fought to the death against the English, so when it was lost by Wales, the only landowners left were dead and the land taken over by new landlords, English ones. Funnily enough they OK'd on the nod anything that England put forward, whether it was good for Wales or not.
Scotland, however, half were fighting the English and the other half were fighting the Scottish (therefore were by default on the side of the English), much like Scotland had done for generations. So when THAT was lost by Scotland, for a start half of the nobs left were Scots, and Scotland didn't fight to the bitter end, so there were still plenty of Scots nobs who fought the English left alive when it ended. So Scotland got a damn good deal.
Along with the union with Scotland, however, came along the Northern Ireland issue, since the Scots had generations earlier invaded Ireland because they were starving and Ireland was slightly less deadly so James (IIRC) decided to dig up family history and proclaim that his family were also Irish royalty, and therefore some of that land was his.
The Irish at the time were Catholic. The incoming Scots were Protestant.
Hence the religious divide that helped ensure that the troubles kept going. If nothing else, they could just complain about the others being devil worshippers to keep the hate going.
Why does a taxpayer-funded, quasi-governmental news agency even get to have a stance, especially on the matter of governance?
Hell, I didn't even bother to read the summary.
THIS. IS. SLASHDOT! /SpartanVoice
Hahahahahahaha he said "spartan" so you just absolutely had to reference a movie about Sparta, oh man, wow, you are so very funny and clever and not predictable at all! How do you come up with this GENIUS stuff, man?? It's just SOOO cool the way you follow his lead like that, you original guy you!