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Europe Passes Controversial Online Copyright Reforms (venturebeat.com)

EU lawmakers today endorsed an overhaul of the bloc's two-decade old copyright rules, which will force Google and Facebook to pay publishers for use of news snippets and make them filter out protected content. From a report: The set of copyright rules known as the Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market, but more succinctly as the EU Copyright Directive, has been debated and discussed for several years. While it is broadly uncontroversial in many regards, there are two facets to the directive that has caused the internet to freak out. Article 11, which has been dubbed the "link tax," stipulates that websites pay publishers a fee if they display excerpts of copyrighted content -- or even link to it. This obviously could have big ramifications for services such as Google News. Then there is Article 13, dubbed the "upload filter," which would effectively make digital platforms legally liable for any copyright infringements on their platform, which has stoked fears that it would stop people from sharing content -- such as GIF-infused memes -- on social networks. In a statement, EFF said, "In a stunning rejection of the will five million online petitioners, and over 100,000 protestors this weekend, the European Parliament has abandoned common-sense and the advice of academics, technologists, and UN human rights experts, and approved the Copyright in the Digital Single Market Directive in its entirety."

380 comments

  1. See guys? by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Funny

    I told you this is what would happen if we let regular people use computers.

    1. Re:See guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking GUI was the end of all good things!

    2. Re:See guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google and other search engines, Facebook, and many other services and web sites become unavailable in the EU in 3-2-1...

    3. Re:See guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [This comment is not available in your region.]

  2. Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

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    1. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's an elected parlament to discuss and vote laws. That's called democracy.

    2. Re: Not democracy by reanjr · · Score: 0

      No, that's called a republic.

    3. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Was it before the EU ignored the results of multiple referendums in member countries or after, or perhaps the fact you only get made an EU Commissioner once you've been rejected by the people in a vote in your home country (mostly), when you decided the EU doesn't give a fuck about democracy?

      It's basically the new USSR.

    4. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

      And yet, morons still think BREXIT is stupid.

    5. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, it's a parliamentary democracy, more generally referred to as a representative democracy

    6. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No if it were the USSR it'd be led by Russia. Its mainly led by Germany so its more like the 4th Reich. Its ok though because its diverse, Europe has learned from it 2000 years of persecuting Jews and dark skinned people. Plus socialism never leads to authoritarian government systems like fascism or communism right? We have learned so much right?

    7. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like they actually wrote a law for the people, for a change. Under the old system, the larger platform gets all the traffic/views/ad money/etc, while the smaller one that creates the content suffers and dies. It also encourages the individual to stay at the larger platform (maybe even just one) instead of seeking information themselves. And without the "freedom" to copy/paste the media/culture/content of others, the individual will have to actually bother to be creative themselves.

      Sounds like a win/win/win to me. More people create rather than consume, more people seek information rather than wait for it to be fed to them, and more creators have more control over their creations.

      The only losers are the large platforms, and who cares about them?

    8. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The EU is the most incorruptable institution on the planet. If there are copyright restrictions needed, there is a good reason for it. The EU isn't like the US, there are no such thing as lobbyists or people stuffing campaign fund chests with dollars in return for political influence.

      Where the EU leads, the world follows, and protecting the IP of hard working people is a good thing.

    9. Re:Not democracy by Altus · · Score: 1

      Those artists are going to have a hell of a time when nobody links to their work

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    10. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody can make such a filter system that is demanded here. Basically nothing original can be allowed, since it can't be checked wether it's original or not.

    11. Re:Not democracy by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. If I post music on my website, allowing others to download it free of charge, and the artists don't get paid for their work, I get in trouble. Why shouldn't a corporation?

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    12. Re:Not democracy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's ok. The people also don't give a fuck about the EU anymore.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm very much pro-Europe. I'm just also very anti-EU.

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    13. Re:Not democracy by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      No, that's called a distraction.

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    14. Re: Not democracy by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      No. A republic is a country which is not ruled by a monarch. All countries are either monarchies or republics.
      China is a republic, even though it's clearly not a democracy.
      The EU is not even a country, but yes, if it was one, it would be a republic. And a democracy.

    15. Re:Not democracy by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, if this does stand....I think this might actually be the first legitimate situation where companies such as Google, etc....pull their servers OUT of Europe, or at least out of EU countries so they aren't beholden to such stifling laws?

      I mean, EU countries can still reach Google, but without servers there in those countries, it might be milliseconds slower, but not noticeable by most humans using them?

      Hell, if Brexit happens, Google could move them all to England, eh?

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    16. Re:Not democracy by greatLearner4575 · · Score: 1

      Using comparison algorithms, it is possible to pre-filter content that gets uploaded to large platforms like YouTube, etc and have it automatically blocked. So if an image was used to create a meme, it could be cross-referenced with a database and blocked.

      To implement a system to do this today may not be cost effective but in 5 years time it could be a lot cheaper with advances in technology and software.

      There are all kinds of ways to quickly detect even small parts of copyrighted media now. If something is modified to the extent that it doesn't at all resemble the original content, it could get past these comparison filters.

      All of these changes to EU laws will result in censorship. If it's successful in the EU it will spread to all countries.

    17. Re:Not democracy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Probably you don't know how a democracy works.
      So I explain it to you.
      People vote for "members of the parliament".
      The parliament decides about issues ... for the people.

      Got it?

      Oh, I'm against the new EU laws, but I at least know hoe a democracy in our times works.

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    18. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How We're Destroying Free Speech, And Why This Is A Good Thing

    19. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US government deciding it doesn't like the results of democratic elections has led to a lot of authoritarian governments.

    20. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republics usually have one head of state, i.e. a president. There are non-monarchistic countries that have a parliament but not a president, by basically distributing the power of president across multiple people. (For instance, for all practical purposes, most European constitutional monarchies like e.g. Norway are not monarchies anymore. The king was stripped of his power a long time ago, but there is no president either.)

    21. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Brexit is stupid. Wrecking the economy for some nebulous "taking back control". We'll be told what to do by the US, Russia and China rather than having a seat at the top table of the world's biggest free trade area.

    22. Re:Not democracy by tepples · · Score: 2

      It means nobody will take your money to let you host a website in the first place because any company that hosts your website risks getting in trouble should you upload someone else's work without permission.

    23. Re: Not democracy by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This article is about the EU, not America.

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    24. Re: Not democracy by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      No, that's called a republic.

      A Republic and a Democracy are not mutually exclusive concepts. The US for example is a federal republic that also has a democratically elected assembly of representatives of the people that do the legislating and governing. That is why it is called the United States House of Representatives in case you ever wondered. The Senate is these days also democratically elected.

    25. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That always applied. What doesn't apply anymore is, "hey look at this cool book" and then linking to it.

    26. Re:Not democracy by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      Brexit is stupid.

      The initial information and promises made to the UK citizens has proven to be false. Some people went to jail over the deception.

      The Leavers are the equivalent of Trump's core of batshit crazy suicidal undereducated white supremacists.

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    27. Re:Not democracy by guruevi · · Score: 0

      Not in the EU, the (unelected, appointed) council and commissioner pass laws. The (elected semi-democratically) parliament can rubber stamp it (but can be overruled) and has the budgetary power (so they could defund) but unlike the US Senate, they don't have full power to regulate the budget on a yearly or per issue basis.

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    28. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to political debates.
      The Soviet Union has already been brought, the Nazis, and you can't just let the US with all its history get a free pass on this.

    29. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parliamentary REPUBLIC, else everybody would be voting and we know that's not the case.

    30. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, morons still think BREXIT is stupid.

      Brexit is stupid. It's just less stupid than the alternative. If there were a reasonable EU, staying a member of it would be a good choice.

    31. Re:Not democracy by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

      And yet, morons still think BREXIT is stupid.

      This situation might be fucked up but brexit is fucking stupid.

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    32. Re:Not democracy by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Using comparison algorithms, it is possible to pre-filter content that gets uploaded to large platforms like YouTube, etc and have it automatically blocked. So if an image was used to create a meme, it could be cross-referenced with a database and blocked.

      To implement a system to do this today may not be cost effective but in 5 years time it could be a lot cheaper with advances in technology and software.

      There are all kinds of ways to quickly detect even small parts of copyrighted media now. If something is modified to the extent that it doesn't at all resemble the original content, it could get past these comparison filters.

      All of these changes to EU laws will result in censorship. If it's successful in the EU it will spread to all countries.

      How long do you want to wait as the picture you want to post is crosschecked against every frame of media ever produced?

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    33. Re:Not democracy by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The EU is the most incorruptable institution on the planet.

      Ummmm, no.

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    34. Re:Not democracy by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      What good is free speech to people who can't think? How does not being able to re-upload something someone else made restrict the actual speech of a person?

      Artists should be careful of giving up their copyright, and if they can afford it, release things into the public domain. When they do that, and still get fucked with, we have something to talk about. As it is, it's a self-created problem by morons for morons, especially considering what crap all sorts of industries pump out. Fans could actually spend money on artists they want to support more directly, instead of rewarding layers of middlemen that mooch off it, and artists need to enable that. It's 2019 and people still sign up to labels to get distributed, which is fucking stupid. Cater to lamers, get lame shit.

    35. Re:Not democracy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1, Troll

      You are an idiot.
      All your claims are wrong.

      To make you an less idiot, I link the first hit of "how does the EU work" for you: https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsroun...

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    36. Re:Not democracy by hardluck86 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually you and everyone else should read up on how the EU parliament actually works.
      The EU parliament cannot propose laws, only veto proposed laws.
      Who gets to actually propose the laws? An unseen group of unelected bureaucrats that are not under any elected control. Who runs them? Who knows? George Soros and company I guess.
      The EU is built along the lines of the Soviet style politburo. It is designed to give the ILLUSION of democracy while keeping actual control in the hands of a select, hidden few.
      Welcome the the Soviet Socialist Republic of Europe...

    37. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worlds 5th largest economy is going to pushed around by Russia (a company with an equivalent GDP to Italy)?

      Perhaps you are stupid?

    38. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Russia won't stay small but we will certainly be pushed around by the USA and China in a way that they can't do to the EU. Unless of course you think Mr Trump is a very nice man who'll give us a wonderful deal.

    39. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an artist with multiple music projects, fuck you. I now have to worry about when my music will get falsely registered with ContentID & friends and I get blackmailed for it. Oh, or I can register with a local RIAA alternative, which doesn't actually redistribute money to anyone not signed to a major deal while completely killing any chance for a tour.

      Yeah, I'm thrilled to be "protected".

    40. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think 40% - 60% of British are "the equivalent of Trump's core of batshit crazy suicidal undereducated white supremacists" ?

      "Some people went to jail over the deception." Huh?

      "Brexit is stupid." OK, maybe.

    41. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying the UK is a republic?

    42. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Using comparison algorithms, it is possible to pre-filter content that gets uploaded to large platforms like YouTube, etc and have it automatically blocked. So if an image was used to create a meme, it could be cross-referenced with a database and blocked.

      What database are you talking about? 99.9% of copyright holders have no incentive to contribute to the database. I bet you have never even seen any of my photographs; what makes you think you can build a database that has my photos' signatures?

      You probably wouldn't even think to put the above paragraph that I wrote and hold the copyright for, into your database. And Yog-Sothoth help you if you do but then some user-reposts it with the good 'ol plaigarists' trick of changing a few words.

      There are all kinds of ways to quickly detect even small parts of copyrighted media now.

      No, there aren't.

    43. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We'll be told what to do by the US..."

      Why do you talk in future tense?

    44. Re:Not democracy by Comboman · · Score: 0

      Nothing in the article you linked to contradicts anything guruevi said. Maybe you should read it.

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    45. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

      Wow you mean a country other than the US can do bad things? What is wrong with our media not blaming Trump for this?

    46. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Eurocrat/authoritarian boot-licker!

    47. Re: Not democracy by greatLearner4575 · · Score: 0

      How long to wait for uploaded content to be cross referenced with all created content?

      Yes thatâ(TM)s a good point you make and I agree. In practice I donâ(TM)t think it will be possible to cross reference everything before it is uploaded. However when it comes to news websites and images, I do think this is possible. There are probably only about 3000 big mainstream media websites (like CNN or BBC, ABC) etc around the world (pretty sure I read that stat somewhere recently and it was 2400â"Iâ(TM)ll have to recheck this) but the point is that there are relatively few of these big news sites and their media content could be uploaded to databases and compared pretty easily for a large platform like YouTube.

      So many of the exact same images in the mainstream media are reused by multiple news networks.

      The rest of the content, excluding news websites, may allow you to initially upload it somewhere but then over time a platform could run comparison algorithms with databases specifically created for this purpose by media companies like Disney.

      If media companies like Disney have content detected as match, it is either flagged for copyright or automatically deleted from the platform.

    48. Re:Not democracy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Brexit is a bit like pulling out of a war too early. It might have been a horrible idea to enter, it might be a really crappy position you're in, but leaving at the wrong moment may be even worse.

      For reference, see Iraq.

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    49. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the artists that get paid. Doh

    50. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, morons still think BREXIT is stupid.

      This situation might be fucked up but brexit is fucking stupid.

      No, the EU is stupid, as well as being racist, globalist, authoritarian fucksticks, which makes you also a stupid, racist, globalist, authoritarian fuckstick.

      So sod off and DIAF. Or just wait for the mobs and guillotine.

      Either way, you shitstains will get sorted.

    51. Re:Not democracy by jabuzz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The parliament is democratically elected. Next election being in May.

      The council is composed of elected ministers, one from each member state.

      The commissioners are civil servants (and civil servants are not elected in any country I have ever heard of) that are appointed by the council.

      More either uninformed or deliberate misinformation.

    52. Re:Not democracy by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      It might have been a horrible idea to enter, it might be a really crappy position you're in, but leaving at the wrong moment may be even worse.

      And there will never be a right moment. The EU will make sure of that.

    53. Re:Not democracy by gizmo71 · · Score: 1

      As a Brit, I'm ashamed to say that's a good description of 40-60% of the British electorate, particularly the older generations. :-(

    54. Re:Not democracy by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Troll

      The funny thing is that Germany has done with the EU what it never could with Hitler and the world's most advanced military force at the time: take over the entirety of Europe (and without firing a shot). They even got the other countries to APPLY for the privilege of giving up their national sovereignty. Even Goebbels himself could have never engineered something that brilliant in a million years.

      Turns out the Blitzkrieg was just a waste of effort. Just convince everyone else that it's in their economic interest to hand over control of their country to you, and they'll not only LET you invade, they'll BEG you for it.

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    55. Re: Not democracy by tomhath · · Score: 1

      There are also Federations, although those usually devolve into Republics with a strong central government and single leader, as we're seeing in the federation formerly known as the United States today.

      That's why there is widespread resistance to giving the United Nations any more authority than they already have; the path to one world government is a slippery slope.

    56. Re:Not democracy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      An unseen group of unelected bureaucrats that are not under any elected control. Who runs them? Who knows?

      Laws a proposed by the Commission, which is made up of representatives appointed by each member state's government, which in turn is made up of people you elect.

      They are a civil service, similar to how politicians on most member states don't actually write the laws themselves, they have civil servants write them and then review and ask for changes.

      The idea is that the Commission takes direction from the Council, which is made up of member states' leaders (i.e. people you elected), comes up with proposals that they think will make things better and puts them to the Parliament. The Parliament can reject them or ask for changes if necessary.

      In addition, member states have vetoes in many cases, including anything which requires a new treaty to implement.

      Also, if the Parliament doesn't like what the Commission or the Council is doing, it can get rid of them. That happened in 1999. The Parliament is DIRECTLY elected by citizens of member states.

      If you don't know this it's because you are wilfully ignorant.

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    57. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Council proposes laws. Parliament votes on them.
      Perfectly democratic.

    58. Re: Not democracy by anarcobra · · Score: 1

      Of course you ignore China and the US because you have no real argument.

    59. Re:Not democracy by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 0

      You don't like that the EU supports artists, therefore let's promote racist conspiracy theories about the EU?

      That's some rock-solid logic there, incel.

      I don't know about that, but you have been warned by the U.S. The states are little powerless anachronisms, now, like Britain, France, and Germany will be in 50 years.

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    60. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO RUN STUFF deciding THEY DON'T like the results of democratic elections HAVE led to a lot of authoritarian governments.

      Fixed that for you

    61. Re:Not democracy by lgw · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you just can't see past your own bigotry.

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    62. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that just shows you're an ageist millenial shitheel. Your feelings dont matter.

      "Hope I die before I get old" was written by a pedophile.

    63. Re: Not democracy by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It's because Russia's leader is successful in diverting your attention to Russia being "pushed around" that corruption and control are at a level that reduces your 110 million population to the economic might of Italy...or California.

      You should be akin to Japan, but are not.

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    64. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I post a link to your website, why should I get charged because I gave you traffic?

      Only Facebook and Google are big enough to work within the framework and/or ignore the fines.

      The end result is no more "web" at large. No fan pages linking to your site. No search links to your site. Eventually, no site at all.

      And at the end of the day that's what it's about: barrier to entry.

    65. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What chance does the will of the people and advice of academics, technologists, and UN human rights experts have against all the bribes brought forth by the media industry?

    66. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EU taking away money and marketing from artists, and giving power to publishers and 3rd parties to increase their theft-tax on artists, is helping them?
      That's some fine logic.

    67. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It cannot even veto them. Their votes are for show.

      The European Council MUST ask the parliament for its view on new laws. It's NOT obliged to do anything about it.

      So you have a European Parliament (the only part that people actually vote for) that cannot propose or veto legislation. It's a show pony...a sham made to make morons think the EU is a democracy.

      EU superfans run around screaming that the EU is democratic. It's fantastic fun pointing this nasty little fact out.

      You see... the insane EU supporters don't know this... the slightly smarter ones know it and lie about it.

      Either way.. it's fucking magic watching the mental breakdown.

    68. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you know how the EU works. Germany is not in charge. In fact, the larger the EU becomes, the harder it is for anything to happen because every little country has a vote. A closer analogy is herding cats. That's not always a bad thing. If the cats all go in the same direction, there must be a good reason.

    69. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is that Germany has done with the EU what it never could with Hitler and the world's most advanced military force at the time: take over the entirety of Europe (and without firing a shot).

      Uh, the Hitler thing was about Germans (handwavingly correlated with racial superiority under the absurd "Aryan" label) populating other countries, not about getting others to work in Germany for cheap. Just ask a few Germans how they are now ruling Europe. It's big business and lawyers, actually very loosely what the Nazis called "Jewish World Conspiracy" as a scapegoat for the common people, who are actually ruling Europe now. Definitely not some charismatic nationalist leader.

      Those are in stockpiles for the lashback instead.

    70. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article is about the EU, not America.

      Let me tell you the meta rules of slashdot in 2019 to get upvotes, regardless of story:

      US bad.
      Orange Man Bad.
      Musk Good.
      EU is the worst thing ever when they do something the internet dislikes, but otherwise is the best thing ever.

      Attacking (but not explaining, or discussing with) anyone saying anything unpopular including:
      criticism of anything a scientist said
      religion
      sports
      anything new
      whatever the youth are up to
      pointing out the slashdot hivemind was wrong about every technological or social change so far, thus whatever it says now is probably wrong too. as an example of this, notice the neck-breaking about face of being pro-cryptocurrencies to "knowing all along" they were trash.

      finally, depending on if a handful of moderators have spent all their sockpuppet points yet this week, this site either rewards radical SJW behavior or condemns it.

    71. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please check out the Aquisgrana Treaty. You might be surprised, but it turns out both Germany and France elected themselves as leaders of Europe, forever. And anyway, do you really think a small nation would want to run against a big EU power? It never worked out in the past.

    72. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother with these incels, they don't care about copyright or free speech, they are just white supremacists jumping onto any opportunity to smear the EU because they believe in conspiracy theories about the EU wanting to replace the white Europeans with Muslims.

    73. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. A proposal by the Council must pass the parliamentary vote. Secondly, the Parliament can itself propose legislation, if it manages to get a parliamentory majority for it.

    74. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only stay small, but shrink. You'll be closing in on Japan's population soon. And similarly I don't see a lot of people immigrating to Russia to make-up the shortfall.

      "The population of Russia peaked at 148,689,000 in 1991, just before the breakup of the Soviet Union. Low birth rates and abnormally high death rates caused Russia's population to decline at a 0.5% annual rate, or about 750,000 to 800,000 people per year from the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s." Wikipedia

      "As the world's population is projected to grow, Russia's population will decline from 143.9 million to 132.7 million by 2050, the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs population division said in a report on urbanization released on Wednesday." - Moscow Times

    75. Re:Not democracy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You think Germany runs the EU, and it's some kind of secret backdoor takeover of the continent? That's the kind of nonsense conspiracy that the Daily Mail would print.

      Churchill was a great supporter of a United States of Europe. That must blow you mind, but it's true.

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    76. Re: Not democracy by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      The United States is a republic. And a federation. And a democracy. None of these concepts are mutually exclusive.

      The UAE is a monarchy, a federation, and not a democracy.
      Norway is a monarchy, a unitary state, and a democracy.

      And no, none of these concepts explain why there is or isn't resistance to give more power to the United Nations.

    77. Re:Not democracy by bongey · · Score: 1

      Its a troll , trolling(not you).

    78. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you are fucking stupid. Cognetive dissonance 24/7. Retard.

    79. Re:Not democracy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

      No country does. Not by your definition anyway.

    80. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering things like this and the renewable portfolio standards, the desire to leave is understandable. Countries like France and Sweden which are already near carbon-free, are being forced to deploy ineffective and costly renewables, increasing both emissions and costs. Germany has spent hundreds of billions chasing unicorns, and their carbon intensity remains near flat at more than 10x that of France, with electricity nearing twice the price. Had They Bet On Nuclear, Not Renewables, Germany & California Would Already Have 100% Clean Power; instead Germany is a model of failure that the EU is forcing on their other member states.

    81. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose that you also think mass media in the US is all liberal. In reality itâ(TM)s 40% owned by ONE right leaning company: Sinclair Broadcasting Group. The only reason it appears mass media is left leaning is that the left makes all the good media. People on the right just love licking any boot they can find and thatâ(TM)s just not that fun to watch.

    82. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UK is not a democracy. The parlament works at the convenience of the monarch, not consent of the people. Just because the monarch does not meddle in the open, it does not mean that she does not/can't do it if ahe chooses to.

    83. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the parliament can not be overruled.

    84. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Churchill didn't expect the Germans and the fascists to make a fast comeback.

    85. Re:Not democracy by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Laws not written by the people for the people, the EU showing it doesn't give a fuck about democracy.

      Fuckwit. Democratically elected representatives in the EU passed those stupid laws.

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    86. Re: Not democracy by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Parliament is Supreme (well after Brexit) in the UK and can and has fired the Monarch, even beheaded one.

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    87. Re: Not democracy by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The US has had a relatively strong central government since 1789. Canada is a Federation, a Monarchy and democratic and the central government has gotten weaker compared to the Provinces over its lifetime. It was designed to have a strong central government after watching the how the US failed in the 1860's and since the courts have given more and more power to the Provinces.

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    88. Re:Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      If you drive a ford car in an illegal manner, should ford get in trouble, or the should road makers be imprisoned? Or should Shell be fined?

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    89. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't.
      The people elect a set of people who form roughly speaking around party lines. They ignore any feelings that you and other members of the electorate in favor of their block.

      The parliament however cannot institute legislation. This devolves to a set of unelected apparatchiks who raise laws and then use the poor debating chamber to rubber stamp it.

    90. Re:Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Actually, what you just described most certainly is not democracy. Those MEPs were elected to REPRESENT their constituents, the moment they stop doing that is the moment when it's not democracy.

      The only real democracy is like what they have in Switzerland where the people vote directly on issues, anything less is barely democratic and very quickly can cease to be democracy.

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    91. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do not have legislative initiative though. That's called oligarchy by another name.

    92. Re: Not democracy by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Here in Sweden they make their own lists. And isn't that just half the part at most?

    93. Re:Not democracy by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      No, Ford, the road makers ('road makers'? haha couldn't think of the DOT?) and Shell are in no way involved with the situation that you laid out (what a terrible analogy, dude). Ford has physical items that it assembles, then sells. Once you buy a car, you own it. How is this anything like youtube's business model, where they sell 'eyes looking at a screen' to advertisers? The videos on their site, bring 'eyes looking at a screen' so whether the video is 'good' or 'bad' doesn't bother them. So yes, Youtube has a responsibility to keep their site clean, just like everyone else.

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    94. Re:Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      So far as I can tell most Europeans haven't got a clue how the EU works, what it's bodies are, how the power is divided up etc. That is not a system that can be democratic. And it's a sad state of affairs when the majority of people don't even seem to understand what democracy actually is.

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    95. Re: Not democracy by aliquis · · Score: 0

      I don't think he mentioned race but why wouldn't the Kalergi plan and ides of the creators of how to create the federation by force and trickery against the will of the people be real?

      Here in Sweden we voted about it. We voted no. So we voted again. That time the vote become yes and we joined. The EU we voted about though isn't this EU.

      Then again the Social democrats and traitors in general is still in charge and I even know people who vote on them still so ..

    96. Re: Not democracy by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Why should we welcome others and trash? Regardless of skin colour or religion.

      They shouldn't be here. Period. I assume it will led to more conflicts and the result of those conflicts in an even stronger government, terror and war. Good work everyone. Great peace project. Maybe "peace" the Chinese way. Complete shit regardless.

    97. Re:Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Fuckwit, go look up democracy and understand what it means, representation is key, if those MEPs aren't representing then it's not democracy.

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    98. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US government deciding it doesn't like the results of democratic elections has led to a lot of authoritarian governments.

      You know, I keep hearing assertions of this sort, and I've never come across an example that stands up to scrutiny.

      When I ask for an example, the one I'm most frequently given is the US-backed coup which removed Prime Minister Mossadegh of Iran and replaced him with the Shah. But Mossadegh was only democratically elected if you stretch the term to breaking point: his predecessor Razmara was killed by an assassin associated with Mossadegh's party; his party interrupted the election to ensure districts supporting his opponents were never counted; and he was awarded indefinite emergency powers in a constitutional referendum that made a mockery of democracy (with 99.9% of the vote!).

      The Shah who replaced him was indeed an autocrat, with a secret police who tortured opponents of his regime - but so was Mossadegh, and Mossadegh's secret police were *worse* (in terms of number of dissidents tortured and killed). At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, it's as if the US had somehow managed to overthrow Hitler in 1935 and replace him with the Kaiser: not a perfect democracy, but definitely an improvement.

      So when I see people state baldly that the US overthrew a democratic government in Iran, I know that they're either misinformed or being deliberately misleading. And when you make an accusation like the above with no further details ... I'm going to suspect the same of you.

    99. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The commissioners are civil servants (and civil servants are not elected in any country I have ever heard of)

      You are correct that civil servants in countries are not elected - but neither do they enjoy the powers of the EU commission. The EU commission is the only entity within the EU that can propose new legislation ... which is really a major part of the role of the elected legislature in a democracy.

    100. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably you don't know how a democracy works.
      So I explain it to you.
      People vote for "members of the parliament".
      The parliament decides about issues ... for the people.

      Got it?

      Oh, I'm against the new EU laws, but I at least know hoe a democracy in our times works.

      The parliament decides about issues ... instead of the people.

    101. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be clear about one thing though: 62 of 74 French members of the European Parliament voted for the new copyright directive. Only 38 of 96 German MEPs voted in favor of the directive.

    102. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably you don't know how a democracy works.
      So I explain it to you.
      People vote for "members of the parliament".
      The parliament decides about issues ... for the people.

      Got it?

      Oh, I'm against the new EU laws, but I at least know hoe a democracy in our times works.

      Unless the vast majority of potential options to vote for parliament are beholden to the EU. In which case, it's not democracy, it's "democracy," because you get to choose between "turd sandwich" and "fecal sandwich."

      Your condescending tone only accentuates your ineptitude and bloated ego.

    103. Re:Not democracy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yes it does. All laws are issued by the democratic elected parliament, idiot.

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    104. Re:Not democracy by Poorcku · · Score: 1

      So the parliament cannot initiate laws? LOL Why is there in the first place, to wink things through?

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    105. Re:Not democracy by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Fuckwit, go look up democracy and understand what it means, representation is key, if those MEPs aren't representing then it's not democracy.

      Right: it's not a democray because you don't like what they've passed? Literally nothing is a democracy then.

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    106. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      So the US backed Shah wasn't authoritarian then. Glad that's cleared up.

    107. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1
    108. Re: Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid not.

      As I said in the last message. The European Parliament MUST be consulted (i.e. vote) - but its vote counts for nothing though. It is explicit in the EU rules that parliament's rejection/approval is irrelevant. It can vote all it likes...

      GO AND FUCKING READ IT.

      And the parliament can propose whatever legislation it wants - nothing it says is binding. Repeat: the only part of the EU that you can vote on.. is a sham. It has no legislative power. It is there to make morons (i.e. you) think that it has some democratic legitimacy.

      Another Remoaner idiot who doesn't even know the very basics of the crazed, anti-democratic system he rabidly supports.

    109. Re: Not democracy by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Norway is still a monarchy, like it or not. The monarch doesn't have to have a lot of powers so that the country be a monarchy.

      Switzerland is a republic. Even though the power is shared among a small council instead of a single president. Every country which isn't a monarchy is a republic.

    110. Re: Not democracy by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I'm not Russian, nor am I talking about Russia.

    111. Re:Not democracy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      A strange game. The only winning move is not to play it.

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    112. Re:Not democracy by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      OY, no, they are not 'representatives' in the democratic sense, the commission is no more democratic than any other Quango. There is nothing democratic about the Commission, to say it is democratic is to fundamentally misunderstand what democracy is, you can't have democracy at arms length, when you dilute it, it ceases to be.

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    113. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small error, let me fix:

      People vote for "members of the parliament".
      The parliament decides about issues ... for the $guy_who_gives_me_most_bribes

      Got it?

    114. Re:Not democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US should immediately pull out of Iraq, Syria, and all of our other disastrous wars overseas. No one can even define victory and no one can justify the wars from first principles, and it has been shown that our meddling just makes things worse, not better. Anyone in favor of remaining in these wars is a hopeless warmonger.

  3. Goodbye suckerberg! by Just+A+Gigolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hope they pull facebook from europe good!

    1. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Vihai · · Score: 2

      ...like this would be the bad outcome of this law....

    2. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Far more likely you'll see content companies like YouTube leave.

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    3. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope they pull facebook from europe good!

      So says Just A Gigolo ( 5876130 )

      My reply? What a fucking liar. Facebook accepting user content is literally no different than slashdot accepting user content.

      Yet here you are, posting content to a website that is now illegal in your country, that very post cheering on the laws saying you can't do what you just did.
      Both moments before and moments afterward you will still be right there on facebook, right where you claim you don't want to be.

      You are a liar and a hypocrite. It should be people like you thrown in prison to rot for your actions, and not the websites that are only breaking the law because you posted to them.

      Is everyone in your country so out of control of what they do and so incapable of the simple thought process "I don't want to do this, so I won't do this"?

      There is no logic to "I don't want to do this, so of course I am going to do it over and over and then whine and cry to my government until they make it a crime for me to keep doing this"

      Since you are too stupid to realize the above is a statement, not a question, I'll add that NO I don't give one fuck about the stupid reason you think you have for behaving that way. Your brain is fucking broken beyond all hope.

    4. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 0

      Facebook is lucky, as it is not a European company. It can just laugh and walk away. Companies in Europe must cause a blackout themselves or be blacked out.

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    5. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Facebook is lucky, as it is not a European company. It can just laugh and walk away. Companies in Europe must cause a blackout themselves or be blacked out.

      Your naivety is adoring.
      Facebook will have to comply, as any other company doing business in EU.

      But for that to happen local governments would need to adopt the laws.

    6. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by bjwest · · Score: 1

      Facebook is lucky, as it is not a European company. It can just laugh and walk away. Companies in Europe must cause a blackout themselves or be blacked out.

      Your naivety is adoring. Facebook will have to comply, as any other company doing business in EU.

      But for that to happen local governments would need to adopt the laws.

      What kind of business does Facebook really do "in" the EU? Facebook is a US company, and as such all they really need to do is move any servers they have out of Europe and tell them to go screw themselves. It's the EU's responsibility to filter what comes across their borders, not the other way around. Same goes for the personal info they collect. If you don't want your citizens information collected in a data mine outside of your boarders, then it's up to you to stop your citizens from giving that info away, either by blocking that site or making your citizens criminals for giving away that info.

      Same same for Google. Let Google delist the EU news sites and stop showing people snippets of the news. See how long it is before the EU news sites are irrelevant in the global market.

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    7. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of business does Facebook really do "in" the EU?

      Selling advertisements.

    8. Re:Goodbye suckerberg! by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      They don't have to sell those advertisements in the EU. The sale can legally take place in the US (and likely does. I've never seen their contracts, so I don't know what country's laws they are drawn up under).

      Just because it's a German company buying an ad doesn't mean the purchase takes place in Germany.

  4. So long and thanks for all the fish by thereddaikon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content and depending on how aggressive the individual laws are may even just block entire countries outright. They aren't going to give up their business model over this, it will be Spain all over again and soon Euro IP's will be blocked from /. Its been fun Euro users, may we meet again some day.

    1. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      I think EU citizens should force the issue by bombarding the governments and the biggest social sites with copyrighted works which have been altered enough to evade filters.

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    2. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing of value was lost.

    3. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      You do realise that youtube had upload filtering for quite a while and it had nothing whatsoever to do with the EU?

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    4. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You also realize that those upload filters were but a token effort on YouTube's end? They were trivial to circumvent, mostly because all that was required to appease the laws that existed was a token effort.

      This is a very different beast.

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    5. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We would love Facebook to leave. Please destroy the data before leaving, though.

    6. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content and depending on how aggressive the individual laws are may even just block entire countries outright.

      Well, they could just pull their servers out of the EU countries, and host whatever content they want.

      The EU countries could still access those servers, but jurisdiction would no longer be there since there is no physical presence there.

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    7. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      All works are copyrighted, like this post I'm sending you :P

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    8. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by houghi · · Score: 1

      And EU business will fill the gap. Supply and demand. If there is a demand, there will be a supply.

      No idea if this will be legal or illegal, but that never stopped basic economics.

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    9. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the owners of European companies who will no longer be indexed.

    10. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Maybe trivial to circumvent, but with a shitload of false positives and since it is impossible to talk with a human at Google, it might be even worse.

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    11. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by gmack · · Score: 1

      They were trivial to circumvent because it's a hard problem to solve. I'm always fascinated how plenty of people think they can do better without ever suggesting how they could do better.

    12. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      You do realise that youtube had upload filtering for quite a while and it had nothing whatsoever to do with the EU?

      So reversed images and pitch shifted audio from here on out then?

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    13. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content

      Yeppers. Shame that Google news won't ever refer to EU newspapers/magazines/etc anymore. Which was about the only way I ever saw EU news for the past few years. Alas, it's not worth subscription fees for EU papers/magazines, since there's so little EU news I care about.

      And before you get all excited about me not caring about anything outside the USA, I don't care all that much about most US news either....

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    14. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they won't they will make EU Facebook and EU Google. Google is already making China Google. They don't give a fuck, they just want money.

    15. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I guess so. In a more sane world this directive would break apart the German government (since a no to upload filters is a part of the coalition contract) and would be found unconstitutional due to censorship, alas the world isn't sane at all.
      Who knows, maybe that directive will help bring back the libraries.

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    16. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by jeti · · Score: 4, Informative

      And ContentID is a horrible failure. Blackmailing Youtube channels with the threat of illegitimate copyright claims against them has become a valid business model.

    17. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in the US, that's true; is that also the case in Europe or does it have to be registered? (anon because moderated)

    18. Re: So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EU business will not fill the gap because there are no EU business of the sort. They never managed to develop any in 30 years of web (almost) because they simply cannot. Young Europeans with a passion for IT dream of Seattle and the Silicon Valley, not of Brussels. They simply leave for the US. Bankers and bureaucrats are all that's left.

    19. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by fazig · · Score: 1

      Business as usual, we'll bring it to the Bundesverfassungsgericht.
      After all it's their job to clean up the mess our politicians do on a regular basis.
      If that part of the separation of powers doen't work any more maybe it's time for pitchforks, torches, and nooses again.

    20. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Might? It will. Google/YouTube will do what they can to err on the safe side and simply auto-filter anything that could remotely even have a whiff of "copyrighted material". In other words, no commentary, no parody, no citation.

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    21. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We'll soon get to see. Though I doubt that this is what I'd consider "better".

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    22. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But since EU business will have to follow this shitty law, they will immediatley go belly up.

    23. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be the reason why these rules don't apply to start-ups.
      They probably believe that this will help competition from the EU to gain a foothold, while large US corporations have to pay these backhanded "tariffs".
      I doubt that it'll work. It's more likely that the large American corporations will start their own small fake start-ups and use this to their advantage.

    24. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by DogDude · · Score: 1

      We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content and depending on how aggressive the individual laws are may even just block entire countries outright

      Oh no. Some monopolies might take their toys and go home. That would be terrible.

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    25. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al ARE NEVER going to just drop all EU content and, depending on how aggressive the individual laws are, may even just FAIL TO EVER block entire countries outright. They ARE going to CHANGE their business model over this, AND SOON THE US WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME. Its been fun WORLD users, may we meet again some day.

      Fixed that for you

    26. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Considering Google was contemplating operating in China I doubt that they would pull out of the EU.

      The EU one of the largest markets in the world. More people than the US and GDP destined to overtake it in the not too distant future. They won't give up all those billions and billions of Euros just over this.

      Besides, people said that GDPR and the Right to be Forgotten was the end of the internet, and it turned out to be fine.

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    27. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by thereddaikon · · Score: 1

      Corporations are always going to take the path of least resistance. Whatever makes them more money. YouTube has region blocking because its cheaper and easier to implement than it is to deal with the alternative. The question of whether this is a similar case is yet to be seen. I think it all depends on just how aggressively it is enforced. We've seen in the past that Google is more than willing to just cut out an entire segment of content if following the new rules is less profitable, see what happened when Spain tried this. If obeying these new laws proves to be too difficult or expensive then you can expect the large internet firms to drop Europe.

    28. Re: So long and thanks for all the fish by mapkinase · · Score: 0

      Europe should be brought to the knees by the rest of the world. Send them Yersenia pestis.

      Politicians who voted for this imbecile law should be assassinated.

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    29. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content and depending on how aggressive the individual laws are may even just block entire countries outright.

      You can be the first to go to the shareholders and say "Rather than figuring it out we're leaving the biggest market of wealthy westerners in the world."

      I mean maybe the CEO wants his golden parachute, but there's easier ways to ask for it.

    30. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'm always fascinated how plenty of people think they can do better without ever suggesting how they could do better.

      Here's some ways:
        1) make downloading more difficult (like browsers are doing)
        2) limit what urls your platform can open, i.e. domain restriction
        3) control the published content's references to outside world, i.e. make the content independent of its surroundings
        4) check the contents against popular keywords, i.e. filter out "hasta la vista, baby"
        5) calculate the amount of effort that took to create the published content, and if it doesn't match the team size/budget, then reject the content
        6) check licenses
        7) measure complexity metric of the content, and reject stuff that looks too difficult to create, i.e. when you have pirated movie, it can be regognized by the amount of post processing effects used in the material
        8) manually watch the material -- if you can regognize it to be popular content from famous studio, reject the content

      You can invent more ways to check for pirated material, but this is the easy-to-figure-out-list.....

    31. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      More likely there will be constant "negotiations" between the big players like Google, Facebook, and the authorities, and things will allow to function as normal. It's the small media sites that will suffer, since they don't have the resources to cope with complying with regulations. Thus, the innovative, small guys will end up going under.

      All in all, it could end up helping the big players swallow up even more of the market.

    32. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was told this, but didn't look into it so take it with a grain of salt, that it's not as simple as IP/CIDR blocking based on country. If a company has offices in any of the EU countries that the law applies, regardless of the traffic. So Google, Facebook, etc.. that all have offices in EU countries will have to apply these new laws regardless of the source of the traffic. So they'd have to shut down all those offices and move the jobs to non EU countries. I doubt that it would happen, but if it did it would mean some not insignificant layoffs in the affected countries.

    33. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google does not operate in China, so there's that. Google is free not to operate in the EU, since Article 17 (formerly Article 13) of the Copyright Directive puts intermediate liability on Google and on all other websites that host user-generated content (that includes all forums). The nature of the Directive is similar to blaming the phone company for two of its customers planning a prank (or worse), or playing music to one another over the phone.
       
      Google is therefore very free to delink and deplatform all publishers due to terrible laws, and they are free not to offer YouTube in the EU. EU lawmakers don't really understand the nature of YouTube, so there will be major upsets in the elections that follow.

    34. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as a web site is more than three years old, it will have to pay. Or if it has more than 10 million euro turnover. Or if it has more than a certain amount of users. In each case, that EU startup is SOL.

  5. It doesn't affect fake news by Cassini2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This means that I can't link to any legitimate news site. However, fake news sites are fair game ...

    1. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you can still link to slashdot. All is well in the world.

    2. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by mert1029 · · Score: 1

      Betcup bahis sitesine ulamak için takip edebilirsiniz.

    3. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      No, it's about the copyright, not the truthfulness. Fake news is just as copyrighted as real news.

    4. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sadly, as works of fiction, fake news is still protected by copyright.

    5. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this stage there's not much difference between a "legitimate news site" and a fake news site. The mainstream media are pretty fake much of the time too. At the very least they leave out important context. They sometimes lie too, yes.

      But with respect to a "link tax" anything that works to reduce the number of clicks mainstream media sites get is good as far as I'm concerned.

    6. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      No, it's about the copyright, not the truthfulness. Fake news is just as copyrighted as real news.

      But the people creating fake news want it to spread. If this ruling makes their stuff more available than mainstream news, so much better for them. Why would they file a takedown?

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    7. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have to agree. Fake News + public domain or creative commons license is weaponized social media on steroids.

    8. Re:It doesn't affect fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the poster's point is that if they refuse to enforce the copyright (public domain or creative commons) then it will spread faster than real news.

  6. Re:What do the remainers in the UK think about thi by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Digital storage has been sounding the death knell for artificial information scarcity for decades now. Industry backlash continues inevitably.

  7. UK here by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't blame any company for completely blocking all uploads of anything including text / comments, this law simply isn't workable, it's complete censorship. Fucking idiot politicians and yes I contacted my meps about this more than once.

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    1. Re:UK here by mark-t · · Score: 2

      this law simply isn't workable, it's complete censorship.

      It's obviously censorship... but even complete censorship does not mean it is unworkable. There's no real technological barriers that would prevent a government from limiting and controling general public access to information from outside. It's entirely doable... and any notion of living in a "free" society will likely have to be abandoned in favor of whatever definition of "free" the government convinces its citizens to buy into.

    2. Re: UK here by reanjr · · Score: 1

      It's unworkable in a society which is already free. It's technically not workable to control the use of the Internet. If you can't convince the people to go along, you can't impose these types of rules.

    3. Re: UK here by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You don't need to convince people to go along with it... you just start doing it.

      People who are dissatisfied with it will have to leave to get away from it, but most people will be indifferent, and within a generation it will be accepted as "normal".

    4. Re:UK here by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with the EU parliament basically is that everyone who is not smart enough to be allowed to run for a local government (regional, like a City or a federal state), not influencing enough to run for a country parliament (France, Germany etc.) but pestering enough is put on the list for the EU elections.
      Basically 90% of all people in the EU parliament are failed wanna be parlimentarians for regional or country parliaments.
      Usually you would assume, you have a strict ladder of competence, city civilian servant first, then regional parliament, then federal state parliament, then state parliament then EU parliament.

      Fact is: in the EU parliament only idiots end up ... because no one want them on the voting lists for the parliaments below.

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    5. Re:UK here by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but now with A13 and Brexit the UK is destined to become a meme powerhouse, and may soon grow to host thousands of VPN's for Europeans who need to get their illegal meme fix on the sly, all whist sporting good RTT.

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    6. Re:UK here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as Spanish politicians are concerned, that is 100% true.

      They sure love their diet/travel bonuses, when they are not even attending sessions.

    7. Re:UK here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is exactly what the corporations which wrote this schlock want. We are to return to the captive passive consumers they intended us to be!

    8. Re: UK here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget the MEPs, march to leave the madness now.

    9. Re:UK here by vinlud · · Score: 1

      Lol, maybe thats how it works in your country but tbh, in the Netherlands, usually the more senior and succesful members of parliament end up being promoted to the European Parliament. What you are stating is far from factful

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    10. Re:UK here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except CDU/CSU, Axel Voss from Germany and a lot of stupid MEPs who voted for this directive.

  8. Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should the scholar get as weighty a voice as the fool?

    Why should the results of your past votes not affect the weight of your present vote?

    The problem is not a lack of democracy; the problem is authoritarianism; the problem is imposition.

    Voluntary interaction, as defined by contracts, is the future. Law by contracts; not law by legislation. Capitalism.

    1. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by reanjr · · Score: 2

      Why should we let you decide who is the scholar and who is the fool?

      Turns out lots of really complex social problems are addressed by the wisdom of crowds. The educated elite came up with eugenics. I think it's safe to say the educated elite should not be in charge of things.

    2. Re:Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why should the scholar get as weighty a voice as the fool?

      Because: Corruption. Scholars had many studies paid for big oil saying that leaded gasoline was not harmful, but the "crazy conspiracy theorist fools" were right. Big tobacco pointed to inconclusive scholarly research indicating that there was no link to smoking cigarettes and cancer. Tell me more about your "scholars", who are all either funded by corrupt government or with grants by big business earmarked only to promote specific research. It is common that the fool is more wise than the scholar. At the core of every persistent conspiracy is a kernel of truth surrounded by PSYOPs of poisoned wells and muddied waters.

      Why should the results of your past votes not affect the weight of your present vote?

      You answered this yourself: "authoritarianism", "imposition". Academia finally became aware in the 1990's that tobacco caused cancer. Should we then say that your scholars are all discredited and have no weight in the present vote? GREAT! I agree. You are a pseudo intellectual with no grasp of history or reality, it is not your fault, but it is your problem. This is the age of deception, fool.

    3. Re:Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by greatLearner4575 · · Score: 1

      To be blunt, this all leads to censorship and less ways for people to express their thoughts and opinions on the internet.

    4. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      How will the contracts be enforced?

    5. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How about a test to see if someone is fit for voting? Nothing complex. Like asking for the difference between first-past-the-post and proportional representation. How about "what are we voting on today?" (and I mean the office or body we're voting for. And with body I don't mean what warm body to put in the position). Or "name three parties and their main candidates?" (of course only in countries that actually have three parties that anyone might know). I'd even exclude trick question like "name 3 politicians without a police record" (because at least in my country I'd have to dig in the past to find some).

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    6. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys talk a load of bullocks. It's funny.

    7. Re:Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A scholar speaking about topics outside their (often quite narrow) education is a fool.

      Then whoever gets to decide what events are bad and which votes contributed to the event has all the power. Terrible idea.

      Voluntary interaction means as soon as it's inconvenient for me to do what I promised (say when the due date comes to deliver those parts you payed me to manufacture) I voluntarily refuse. That you have a contract doesn't matter unless you can enforce it. And if you have a system to enforce contracts when the injured party is not able to do it themselves you have a government, and therefore have the same problem of needing to ensure the government does it's job not whatever the hell it wants when it is by necessity the most powerful player in the national ecconamy.

      This stuff is complicated. If you think you have a solution and it can be explained completely in an internet discussion you're almost certainly wrong.

    8. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Why should we let you decide who is the scholar and who is the fool?

      Turns out lots of really complex social problems are addressed by the wisdom of crowds. The educated elite came up with eugenics. I think it's safe to say the educated elite should not be in charge of things.

      The BBC once broadcast a live chess match between a grandmaster and the people, who would call in and vote on the next move.

      Hint: Voting did not solve a complex problem.

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    9. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      The BBC once broadcast a live chess match between a grandmaster and the people, who would call in and vote on the next move.

      I appreciate your analogy, but calling the European Commission members "grandmasters" is a bit of a stretch. For example, the president Jean-Claude Juncker is usually so drunk that he can barely walk (search youtube for Juncker drunk to see some examples)

    10. Re: Democracy is a dumb idea anyway by bongey · · Score: 1

      Holy Fuck , he is really drunk all the time.

  9. Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by reanjr · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I really wish American companies would juet abandon the EU and let them try to make their own tech. It's worked well for Russia and China. That's where the EU is headed, and I don't want them to drag the American web behind them with their giant market.

    1. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because an ever-tighter ring of tribalism is the answer for everything. This, of course, end with you in an empty building, alone, trying to sell to yourself stuff you don't need. Have fun with that.

    2. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China? The same China that makes most people's cell phones? And computers? Right down to the capacitors in your TV? The same China that makes the wireless chipsets in your home router and is the biggest player in the 5G rollout? The one that makes all your consumer electronics, more or less?

      That China? If it works out half as well for the EU, they will be very glad for that indeed.

    3. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Kohath · · Score: 2

      You will probably get your wish more and more. I follow a lot of companies. When they talk about opportunities, they never mention Europe. If Europe is mentioned at all, it's usually when they discuss the headwinds they face in their business.

      Business leaders have a lot of places they want to to do business. Increasingly those places don't include Europe because Europe is expensive and stagnant.

    4. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      What about Canada, eh?

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    5. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could they spy on them then?

    6. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Canada is country with a low population. Canada will do fine. Maybe even good. It will never be in the category of India or Latin America or China or Europe or other large blocks (unless Canada joins into an economic union of some sort with the U.K. and/or some other regional countries).

    7. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by NeBan · · Score: 1

      From a tech perspective, Shutting out ideas is never a good idea. From a Business perspective, more markets are better. Politically, that sh*t is how wars start.

    8. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There would be a shareholder revolt and they'd get sued for it.

    9. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      let them try to make their own tech

      We'd have our own tech if American companies would stop buying EU companies and destroying what was created. I live in the EU and I wish American companies would pull out as well. They won't though because we have money and American companies have a self destructive addiction to money.

    10. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really wish American companies would juet abandon the EU and let them try to make their own tech.

      I'm kind of the opposite. I wish facebook and twitter and instagram, at least, would pull out of the US, move someplace else.

      I don't use them of course, but I'm tired of living the consequences.

      If those big American companies pull out of the EU, your lives will get better. Sure, you may jones for your FB feed for a bit, but you'll get over it, and as an added bonus you'll end up with a more authentic life, that perhaps involves real connectivity...

    11. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't want Americans to buy, don't sell. Really, it's that simple. You have not managed to develop one big web enterprise in 25+ years. Not one. It's simply beyond you.

    12. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Brits should get the Commonwealth back together. Pull Canada, Australia, and India back into the fold and give a proper Brexit fuck you to Europe.

    13. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Win for everyone. Americans keep a more open web. Europeans get draconian consumer protections and a demand for local tech. China gets a lower bar for international norms on censorship.

    14. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Well at least we'd have easier access to Doctor Who and... eh... that's about it.
      But then again I want to stay with the metric system, so you can forget that idea.

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    15. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC making product is not the freedom to:
      Talk about a cartoon bear.
      To mention Taiwan the real China.
      To recall the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

      Now parts of the EU want the same powers.
      France over protests and comments about political leaders. Germany about all history and the results of German politics.
      Spain on anything to go with Catalonia.
      A link tax to support publishers in the EU who can't make the needed profits with the products they try to sell on the open market.
      Now the EU wants the "internet" to subsidize failed EU publishers with a EU link tax.
      The have EU laws on what can be said, linked and comments on.
      A tax and censorship is what the EU thinks will support publishing?
      The US offered freedom of speech and freedom after speech. With US publishers having to be productive and make a profit under free market conditions.

      People all over the EU select US services due to cost and freedom. Not to pay a lot more for EU services that have taxes and censorship.

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    16. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can see how long Europoors last without US food imports.

    17. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't fathom the mindshare that American companies have on the youth of Europe. You'll have kids screaming to high heavens when they can't be on YouTube, or twitter, or facebook, or twitch. These kids will go to elections, and will change the political makeup of the entire union. Just to get YouTube and to get on their social networks. Don't forget, that these kids have parents that use those social networks, too. Including YouTube.

      Even with laws that still currently apply, EU-based competitors have always been, well, pathetic.

      With this directive, EU-based competitors to Google, Facebook, twitter, and others will not be able to be created out of an abundance of caution.

    18. Re:Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      btw, many of the EU companies are purchased by Chinese companies, not American ones. "Free market" and all...

    19. Re: Wish American companies would gtfo of EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very well, thank you. We have our own home-grown food industry that's thriving, and can do rather well without food imports from the United States. Articles 15, 16, 17 (formerly 11, 12, 13) of the updated EU Copyright Directive are still terrible. The fact, that only the EU Commission can introduce laws to the EU Parliament instead of also the Parliament, is a serious bug in the EU legislature.

  10. Goodbye, EU by mveloso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The internet was built around two basic principles: links are free and you can upload everything and sort out the mess later.

    Now really, what's the rationale behind charging for a hyperlink, even if no content is displayed? Greed? Stupidity? Idiocy?

    I suppose this is European content providers trying to build a wall around their "internet?"

    1. Re:Goodbye, EU by PPH · · Score: 2

      Now really, what's the rationale behind charging for a hyperlink, even if no content is displayed? Greed? Stupidity? Idiocy?

      To kill off search engines and force everyone to consume content from the top down at each news site.

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    2. Re:Goodbye, EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Internet platforms are liable for content that users upload
      Some uploaded material, such as memes or GIFs, now specifically excluded from directive
      Hyperlinks to news articles, accompanied by “individual words or very short extracts”, can be shared freely
      Journalists must get a share of any copyright-related revenue obtained by their news publisher
      Start-up platforms subject to lighter obligations

      http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IPR32110/european-parliament-approves-new-copyright-rules-for-the-internet

      It's still a shit and unrealistic proposal. But let's keep the arguments against it in the realm of non-fiction.

    3. Re:Goodbye, EU by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The internet was built around two basic principles: links are free and you can upload everything and sort out the mess later.
      You are mixing up the internet with the "world wide web".
      No worries, it is common mistake ...

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    4. Re:Goodbye, EU by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And how the fuck are we supposed to find those fucking websites? Via old-school media? Good luck with that.

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    5. Re:Goodbye, EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet was built around two basic principles: links are free and you can upload everything and sort out the mess later.

      Now really, what's the rationale behind charging for a hyperlink, even if no content is displayed? Greed? Stupidity? Idiocy?

      I suppose this is European content providers trying to build a wall around their "internet?"

      It was also non-commercial. You missed that point.

    6. Re:Goodbye, EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that distinction matters these days...they've become synonymous.

    7. Re:Goodbye, EU by PPH · · Score: 1

      And how the fuck are we supposed to find those fucking websites?

      How did you find Google?

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    8. Re:Goodbye, EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how the fuck are we supposed to find those fucking websites?

      How did you find Google?

      I... scroogled it.

    9. Re:Goodbye, EU by tomhath · · Score: 2

      How did you find Google?

      It was difficult for people to find Google in the early days. But once you had it you had the entire internet.

    10. Re:Goodbye, EU by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      But they aren't synonymous. The Internet is the hardware. The World Wide Web is an app that runs on it.

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    11. Re:Goodbye, EU by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Now really, what's the rationale behind charging for a hyperlink, even if no content is displayed? Greed? Stupidity? Idiocy?

      Brick-and-mortar business owners (mainly newspapers) misunderstanding how the Internet works. They're used to the idea of a physical storefront, where they put up a big sign advertising their newspaper. People see the sign, step up to their store, and buy the paper. They don't really understand how the Internet works, so they interpret how Google News works as Google coming in and putting up Google's sign in front of their sign, and effectively acting as gatekeeper to their customers. They think it's unfair since it's their paper which the customers want, not Google's sign, and they're getting laws passed to try to force Google to pay them.

      The way it really works is that Google is not putting a sign in front of their sign. Google is building a road which passes in front of their store. The increased traffic from people using that road causes more people to see the newspaper's sign, and come in and buy papers. That's what Google News is - free advertising. This idiotic law is going to make Google build a wall blocking the view of these news sites' sign from people using the road, and their pageviews and revenue is going to shrivel up to almost nothing.

      When that happens, they'll try to pass a law forcing Google to advertise their site (link to them). Combined with this law forcing Google to pay them for linking to them, it's a complete reversal of how business is supposed to work. Normally when you want someone to advertise for you, you have to pay them for it. The combination of those two laws would result in forcing Google to advertise for them, and Google paying them (instead of the other way around). If that law passes, then Google and every other search engine will simply pull out of the EU, and these people will be left wondering why no search engine wants to index the EU.

      What Google should have done when they first started Google News was charge news sites a modest fee to include their snippets. That would have established up-front that (1) this was advertising and like all advertising you have to pay for it somehow, and (2) the sites being featured on Google News were doing so voluntarily. The big sites would've scoffed at the idea, but some of the smaller ones would have bit. When it became clear that news sites which paid to be featured in Google News got a lot more traffic (and thus a lot more ad revenue themselves), then all these newspapers would be tripping over themselves to pay Google to feature them in Google News. But by trying to be the nice guy and give these newspapers free advertising, Google inadvertently cemented in their minds the misconception that they're entitled to this advertising for free. Which starts them down the slippery slope to thinking that Google should be paying them for advertising for them.

    12. Re:Goodbye, EU by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Links to Google are not blocked by a E.U. law.

      Also, we're talking about every fucking website in E.U., not a single search engine based in the U.S.A.

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    13. Re:Goodbye, EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to the original Yahoo search engine where you had to manually request for your site (and any sub site) to be manually added to their directory. Yay progress!

  11. More like /. and its ilk will suffer most... by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Google, Facebook and other megacorps can afford to take measures which they can afford to defend in court afterwards, while the judicial system tries to make sense of bad legislation. Sites of the magnitude of Slashdot or smaller, however, probably will not be able to budget for that, and may just geo-block Europe. Not that geo-blocking is effective. Probably may cause a small up-tick in US VPN adoptions....

  12. Death of Memes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...which has stoked fears that it would stop people from sharing content -- such as GIF-infused memes -- on social networks.

    You make that sound like a bad thing?

  13. Very easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is very easy to fix. All search engines and websites in general boycott publishers that backed this and that would demand payment for linking/snipping by simply removing all links to them, period. No search results. No links from other websites. Let's see how long publishers survive when nobody can find their shit.

    The end result? The publishers will be begging the EU to reverse this.

    1. Re:Very easy fix. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      +1

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    2. Re:Very easy fix. by layabout · · Score: 1

      +1

    3. Re:Very easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure that this where the French news organisations that wanted this, they have been trying before.

      Their next step, like they tried before, is to require Google to link to them, and to pay for it.

    4. Re:Very easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The publishers will be begging the EU to reverse this.

      No, the publishers will bribe EU politicians to go after sites that block them. Just like they did to get this regulation passed in the first place.

      Do you think the EU will want to miss out on another billion € fine? They might not even need extra encouragement from lobbyists.

    5. Re:Very easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your very easy fix is "implement financial censorship schemes". Sort of an internet social credit.

  14. Article 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody (even politics) ever interviewed or quoted by a magazine should fill a request for payment.

  15. Straw man. Wisdom of Crowds has conditions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * I never said that I should decide. In fact, I implied the market should decide; competence is found by the market—through the wisdom of the crowds in fact.

    * This is very important: The Wisdom of the Crowds depends on there being no conflict of interest (e.g., collusion), and works best when each participant must put his own money where his mouth is, thereby weeding out the spam input. Democracy, in contrast, promotes conflicts of interest (e.g., welfare recipients voting to receive ever-greater benefits paid by someone else), and democracy also encourages spam input.

    Collusion (and Tyranny in general) is prevented through a separation of powers. Governments pretend to have a separation of powers via co-equal branches of government, but it's smoke and mirrors; the most robust separation of powers is competition (hence U.S. vs Soviet Union), and the most humane form of such competition is voluntary trade in a market place, where "voluntary" is defined by contracts negotiated in advance of interaction.

    1. Re:Straw man. Wisdom of Crowds has conditions. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The differnce between the US and the USSR demonstrates separation of powers in a country is not smoke and mirrors. The US design is, in the words of those who wrote the Constitution, to set ambition against ambition among the powerful in the various branches.

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  16. That's not going to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The big sites aren't going to drop a couple hundred millions of eyeballs. Just look at how hard some of them are bending over backwards to accomodate China, India, and so on.

    It does mean the small ones outside the EU will probably just block EU traffic, like some are already doing over cookie laws. Instead of "asking for consent" or just, you know, not setting the damn third party cookies in the first place.

    And small or would-be websites inside the EU are outright fucked. Which is of course exactly what the copyright mafiaa likes.

    Also, possessives don't get apostrophes, but contractions do.

  17. Says whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More people create rather than consume, more people seek information rather than wait for it to be fed to them...

    No, its exactly the opposite, hence why the larger platform is more popular.

    This is just another money grab. Ain't Greed Great!

  18. This is what Democrats have planned for USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vote for Democrat candidate, and you'll get more Internet control and pandering to globalists vampires.

  19. The "Only Big Companies Allowed Online" Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much easier to restrict speech this way.

  20. Way to bite the hand, ya'll! by dbrueck · · Score: 1

    This is like a guy relocating his store to the middle of the ocean to reduce theft.

  21. How does this even work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this even work?
    If you set up servers outside EU, then you do not have to comply to their stupid articles.

    1. Re:How does this even work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing that they can do to you in that case, if your local judicial system doesn't play along, is put your services on a block list.
      Which is one of the censorship concerns.

  22. As a copyright holder, this is awful by gillbates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I sell art online, and without search engines indexing my copyrighted material, would find it very difficult to make a living as an artist. A blanket prohibition on linking to copyrighted content would effectively "disappear" a lot of emerging and professional artists from the internet. The internet - and its ability to reach millions of people - has made it possible for countless artists to make a living who would otherwise be unknown. Without it, we'd go back to handing control over art back to the local, physical galleries and the "starving artist" model.

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    1. Re: As a copyright holder, this is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't speak when you have no grasp of the topic.

    2. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Insightful

      By "art", do you mean "furry porn"? ... asking for a friend.

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    3. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
      TFA blows things a out of proportion as usually. If we don't want to be labelled trolls and mob, because the points we make are in fact strawmen, we should at least stick to some truth.

      Hyperlinks to news articles, accompanied by “individual words or very short extracts”, can be shared freely

      As sharing snippets of news articles is specifically excluded from the scope of the directive, it can continue exactly as before. However, the directive also contains provisions to avoid news aggregators abusing this. The ‘snippet’ can therefore continue to appear in a Google News newsfeeds, for example, or when an article is shared on Facebook, provided it is “very short”.
      Uploading protected works for quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody or pastiche has been protected even more than it was before, ensuring that memes and Gifs will continue to be available and shareable on online platforms.

      The text also specifies that uploading works to online encyclopedias in a non-commercial way, such as Wikipedia, or open source software platforms, such as GitHub, will automatically be excluded from the scope of this directive. Start-up platforms will be subject to lighter obligations than more established ones.

      From the official press release http://www.europarl.europa.eu/...

      The issues that you may have to face is how much of your work would be free to use by platforms like google. After all, the press release says nothing about images. It only talks about hyperlinks, which are allowed and short texts. But of course for your case that won't be helpful. You'd like previews of your art to be displayed. What category would that fall under? I can't say. If you're in doubt you'd probably have to declare somewhere that all your stuff is free to use by anyone.

    4. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A blanket prohibition on linking to copyrighted content would effectively "disappear" a lot of emerging and professional artists from the internet.

      I believe that's the point. Once you can't figure out how to grow anymore, you start burning every bridge you used so others can't follow and that what you have left.

    5. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by RailRide · · Score: 1
      How many suppliers of such content are located in the EU?

      AFAIK, the largest one(s) is/are hosted in the US, soooo......

      ---PCJ

    6. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think the EU cares about you? Unless you have a lobby that rivals that of the publishing giants you don't exist.

      They made it very clear with many recent regulations that they don't give a damn about small businesses. It's like they design their laws to concentrate power and market share in a few big players.

    7. Re:As a copyright holder, this is awful by strikethree · · Score: 1

      A blanket prohibition on linking to copyrighted content would effectively "disappear" a lot of emerging and professional artists from the internet.

      Yeah, but it will be possible to reappear if you sell your soul, I mean copyrighted works, to a publisher.

      That is the end game. Are you surprised?

      I am surprised that they are not even considering all of the other negatives. They are just focusing on controlling the Priests of the Temple of Syrinx without considering whether or not that is a good idea.

      Honestly, I am utterly delighted about this result. It is the beginning of the end. Someone with power may notice and soften this law up, but as it stands right now, this is going to send society into a dystopian tailspin and millions will die directly from the social unrest that occurs. This should get REALLY interesting before I die of old age.

      I love watching short-sighted greedy mistakes come back and bite people. This one is a real doozy!

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  23. Missing The Important Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys are all missing the important questions: How do I register all the things I don't like being said about me as protected content? How can I register my competitor's products as protected content so no one can find them?

    Investigative history tells us this will be abused like crazy.

  24. Finally...! Great news...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally the big US tech is going to pay *some* after decades of profitting from free content.

    I hope that newspapers and other real MEDIA can start getting some money for their work.

    FINALLY...!!!

  25. Europe doubles down on stagnation by Kohath · · Score: 0

    Europe's policies have already largely turned Europe into a backwater as far as technological and business innovation. This is just more of the same protectionist, anti-innovation policy.

    Once second to the US, now behind China, look for Europe to be economically overtaken by Latin America then India, an independent Eastern Europe, and then even the Middle East (if the EU hasn't disintegrated by then).

    1. Re:Europe doubles down on stagnation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      Once second to the US, now behind China,

      With China getting further ahead of the US by the day. We really need to raise our minimum wage to help spur productivity.

    2. Re:Europe doubles down on stagnation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With China getting further ahead of the US by the day. We really need to raise our minimum wage to help spur productivity.

      Is this sarcasm or stupidity?

    3. Re:Europe doubles down on stagnation by jwymanm · · Score: 0

      I really got to believe that is sarcasm. We obviously need to eliminate minimum wage to increase competition and a larger fair market.

    4. Re:Europe doubles down on stagnation by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Who cares? It's off topic.

    5. Re:Europe doubles down on stagnation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking cuck. You go meet your boss and ask him to lower your wage, do it first.

  26. Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your fair-use content is considered guilty until proven otherwise.
    Also, you're not allowed to upload your proof.

  27. The Irony by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The inventor of the World Wide Web, hypertext, and linking was European, and invented it all at CERN in Europe. And now Europe effectively destroys the entire thing by taxing the very item (hyperlink) that created it all...

    Truly, it is just a matter of time before the EU taxes air and sunshine...

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    1. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carbon tax isn't taxing air and sunshine? Not much of a stretch to say they are is it?

    2. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inventor of the World Wide Web, hypertext, and linking was European, and invented it all at CERN in Europe. And now Europe effectively destroys the entire thing by taxing the very item (hyperlink) that created it all...

      Truly, it is just a matter of time before the EU taxes air and sunshine...

      Hypertext was invented by Ted Nelsen and Doug Engelbart, both were American.

    3. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just fake news. Al Gore has never worked at CERN.

    4. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inventor of the World Wide Web, hypertext, and linking was European, and invented it all at CERN in Europe. And now Europe effectively destroys the entire thing by taxing the very item (hyperlink) that created it all...

      So... It wasn't DARPA, it was CERN? Whaaaat?

      https://www.answers.com/Q/Did_CERN_invent_the_internet

      http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question50007.html

    5. Re:The Irony by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      The main CERN office and practically all research, is done in Switzerland, not an EU member. That dampens the irony.

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    6. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Spain already taxes sunshine...

    7. Re:The Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DARPA did indeed invent the original Internet, and no-one here has claimed otherwise. The WWW, however, was invented by a Briton by the name of Tim Berners-Lee while he was working at CERN. This is backed up by the links that you yourself posted.

    8. Re:The Irony by fafalone · · Score: 1

      And the inventor of the WWW certainly did his part to help destroy his own creation, by backing DRM binary blobs in browsers. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he supported this law too given how far up the copyright mafias ass he is.

  28. Play hardball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let Google, Facebook block links to any of there sites in the EU for a weekend.
    Just put up the message, "call your father and tell him no FB".
    When the minsters get flooded by their teenage offspring, they may change their minds.

  29. Does this even make sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, the point of links is to have more traffic go to your site. As a news site, wouldn't I *want* others to link my content? On the other side of the coin, why would I be willing to pay a tax for the privilege?

    There are probably bigger things afoot... =) This has more to do with a Government saying, relax guys, it's fine... apparently climate change was a hoax. And then people being sued or thrown in jail for linking credible studies suggesting otherwise... It's got to be something like that..

    Anyways, how would this affect a site like Slashdot? Most of the time, articles are shared on a pay walled source, surely those wouldn't be able to double collect, I guess they just wouldn't be sharing alternative sources?

    It's crazy to me that anonymous usage of the net is called the dark web, and made to sound scary... because the things that are happening out in the open are pretty scary...

  30. No there's not. This is the EU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The EU does not have a parliament that is elected by the actual people.
    It is hell-bent on making it look like it is, just like the USA with their electoral college... but it isn't.
    Apparently it works. Since people eat such propaganda without checking, as you show.

    If you look at the actual history of the EU, it is basically the precursor to TTIP/CETA/....
    As in: A tool for corporations to overrule and ignore the laws of the people over their society/country/region/continent.
    Originating in my home town in Luxemburg. The country that only exists for tax evasion reasons.

    Aka: Mont Perelin Society 101.
    (German TV show "Die Anstalt" has all the sources to back this up on their website.)

    1. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Damouze · · Score: 1

      Wrong. The EU -does- have a parliament elected by the people directly.

      Get your facts straight.

      Having said that, I believe this is a dark day for an open internet in the EU.

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    2. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A parliament that cannot propose laws and is basically used by member states as an elephant graveyard (or golden retirement) for politicians.

    3. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, that's why the EU parliament is essentially powerless. It's mostly a dump for politicians you can't keep at home because they're a liability and you can't just fire because they know too much. Essentially, it's what we came up with when political murder went out of fashion.

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    4. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Most parliaments don't propose laws, or at least have very limited powers to do so. In most countries laws are almost universally proposed by the executive to be either passed or rejected by the parliament.

    5. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL so true. Are you French ?
      (even if I believe this should be true in any EU country)

    6. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Pharmakeus+Ubik · · Score: 1

      The Peter Principle writ large.

    7. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you define executive. In the Commonwealth for example, the executive is the Queen and never proposes laws or even gets involved in law making besides rubber stamping laws passed by Parliament.
      It can be argued the defacto executive is the PMO (Prime Ministers Office) or Privy council but they have to introduce laws in Parliament and private members, whether part of the government or not, can introduce private member bills, which occasionally even pass.

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    8. Re:No there's not. This is the EU. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, we're more timid. MJ is only illegal here because you couldn't tell the living from the dead anymore if it wasn't.

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  31. It's about time ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... journalists got paid for their work.

    No one owes Google or Facebook a free ride. Those mega corporations are making money with the links.

    Let them pay for the links.

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    1. Re:It's about time ... by atrex · · Score: 2

      Question: Do the journalists make any money if no one can find their articles to read them?

      I think the majority of people go to Google and type in search queries, hit the Google News Feed, or look to news aggregators like ./

      Few people go directly to joebobs247news.com to read up on the latest political scandals.

      Now, if a news aggregator copy and pastes the entire article, then yeah, they should be liable for some copyright infringement. A quick summary of said article or the first couple sentences with a "read more here" is something completely different though. In that case the aggregator is generating traffic for the news site, not stealing it.

    2. Re:It's about time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy to do.

      The guy running the site can put a paywall on it.

    3. Re:It's about time ... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you are confused. please tell me what news corporation doesn't pay their journalists? reuters? abcnews? cnn? fox? times?

    4. Re:It's about time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair is fair... I say Google et al start by charging these same news sources for being included in their search results....

    5. Re:It's about time ... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Journalist won't be seeing a cent, because they sign over the copyright to the mega news corp they are working for.

  32. It IS unworkable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In many parts of Europe, Copyright automatically exists without need for registration. This means anything beyond a few words is automagically under copyright. Forums where people meet and discuss their hobbies... all those posts are copyrighted. The assumption is of course that it was a public post and meant to be shared with everyone, but that doesn't mean a malicious actor can't use this new law to disappear him or herself from the internet under threat of incredibly excessive fines and even imprisonment.

    This post is copyrighted under EU law, no need for registration. Quote me, and you are now violating the Copyright Directive. That's how stupid this 'law' really is. You don't even have to get to the bits about link tax and other stupid crap with upload filters and such because this law seems to have been made by people who don't even understand the basics of how their copyright system actually works.

    1. Re:It IS unworkable. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You assume that in any way this law is supposed to somehow care about you or your copyright. The law would exist only to protect the big players.

  33. Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously? You still believe that Copyright "protects artists"?

    We had such a law in Germany. The Urheberrecht! An author's privilege law! Implicit and non-transferable too!

    Copyright is a *distributor's privilege*! To take power *away* from artists. By the same distributors that regularly try to *lower* the meaningless peanuts that artists get from the cake.

    If you had ever been an artist, you'll know that they get their money from gigs and merchandising, and it has been shown time and time again, that if they just share all their works as a form of marketing, they make *more* money, than they ever did from copyright!

    I've worked in the organized crime called "media industry" for two decades now. My mentor did since the 60s. We've personally seen it all. EMI bosses *requiring* hookers and blow to even consider negoating contracts. Band after band hooked on contracts, sucked dry, and thrown away. Designer after designer used, madr money from, and laughing in his face when he has to go buy his own work in the shop and license it, to be even able to play with it. Even parties that turned into "Wolf of Wall Street"-style "basically mass-rape" orgies.

    And we both agree that the ENTIRE "media industry" thing is just cokehead paranoia and overconfidence turned into a "business", and is, will be, and has always been solely for the purpose of leeching on artists and their fans without doing any value-adding work whatsoever yourself.

    So excuse me if I, in the name of all artists ever, give you a big fat FUCK YOU from the middle of my fingers.

    1. Re:Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I'm alt right now? Wow, yesterday I was accused of being a SJW.

      In other words, go play with something poisonous, shill.

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    2. Re:Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an awfully emotional little guy, aren't ya?

    3. Re:Copyright exists to HARM artists! by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I'm alt right now? Wow, yesterday I was accused of being a SJW.

      Maybe you're politic-fluid.

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    4. Re:Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you communicate your thoughts poorly. /shrug...

    5. Re: Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would love to see references to Article 13 opposition seeking genocide

    6. Re:Copyright exists to HARM artists! by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      As much as I want to agree with you emotionally, artists *give* rights away to the distributors.

      Artists have always starved throughout history while the publishers make all the money. It sucks. But, there's a reason why it's called "selling out."

  34. Re:What do the remainers in the UK think about thi by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    Or did they think about this, or think anything through at all?

    This is pretty shit but it's not worth burning everything to the ground over, and if you don't expect the uk gov to follow suit under the smallest amount if pressure then you're as deluded as farage et al.

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  35. Also an unrealistic pipe dream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Go find me even a single corporation whose actions are not massively *opposing* a free market where any such contract could be fair and with both parties on the same level.

    And I'll show you so many, who do, that your case becomes a statistical fluke.

    Like libertrarianism, peace-and-love, democracy and communism, your state theory is wonderful, eleganty nice, idealistic, and *completely unrealistic and out of touch with actual human behavior*.

    I'm sorry. I wish it wasn't.

    (And even then, I'd prefer a nicer one than your psychopathic lizard brain dog-eat-dog world one.)

  36. Easy Way To Solve The Problem by pollarda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google / FB just requires a new HTML header that explicitly gives them permission. If the header isnâ(TM)t there, Google just displays the link and no additional information. As soon as the media outlets watch their views plummet they will either add the header or demand the law be changed immediately.

    1. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, we'll have a permission to link header or meta element and sources without it will go dark.

    2. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by quintus_horatius · · Score: 2

      Google / FB just requires a new HTML header that explicitly gives them permission.

      Don't even need a header, you can borrow the robots.txt idea to make a privilege.txt, stating what may be indexed, what may be copied, and what may not.

    3. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The EU will find that Google is abusing its monopoly power and create and enforce "must carry" rules.

    4. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EU will find that Google is abusing its monopoly power and create and enforce "must carry" rules.

      So you're saying that first the EU makes it illegal to link to another website, and after that they are going to make it illegal to *not* link to another website?

      That sounds so stupid that... actually yea that sounds like the EU alright.

    5. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They make it illegal to link without paying. Then they will make it illegal not to link.

    6. Re:Easy Way To Solve The Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the header isnâ(TM)t there, Google just displays the link and no additional information.

      Not if the link itself (a href) is subject to fees. Perhaps just omit the anchor tag and literally show the link as text?

  37. To make the law more effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they should just jail investors who invest in these companies.

  38. Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You now cannot systemically take a link plus 100 words from news stories from the same news sources over and over to make a commercial profit.

    That creation of a commercial business and profiting is what it is about. Not that I have a blog and link to 1 article a year from news source X.

    The fair use of copyrighted material was when there is a much higher cost to gathering and reprinting the many quotes from copyrighted material in a printed form.

      Predictions:
          1. Deep pocket news aggregators will negotiate a link fee of some sort
          2. Many click bait sites will shut down when Google drops its advertising pay rates again
          3. Third party link indirection through an offshore server to handle the linking
          4. Third party paraphrasing of news articles through an offshore server to handle the verbiage
          5. News aggregator sites will just load a feed from the third party site and claim that they are a common carrier

    One currently can use ~400 words from a copyrighted work as fair use. For most news articles, that is all or nearly all of the quotes, claims and facts in the article. For many news sources 400 words is the entire article when the warm fuzzy puppy vignette and off topic quotes/claims are excluded.

    Take a NYT article of average length, do the following and you'll see how little content is in the article.
    - remove the vingette ("As she sits in front of the computer drinking a near boiling cup of tea five times stronger than your morning coffeee..."),
    - remove the feel good quotes
    - remove overly descriptive phrases,
    - remove the off topic parts (mentioning unrelated political events).

    The EU passed it, expect Canada, NZ, Australia, Japan and eventually the USA to consider such legislation.

    1. Re: Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So basically you are saying it is an optic/face saving law and not one that should really be on the books. If it is relatively circumventable, it isn't a good law. It's only purpose is to try to convince people who don't know better that you are doing something substantive. Everybody wises up to and eventually loses trust in things that are run that way.

      It is blatantly two-faced and that's going to blow up eventually.

    2. Re: Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can. If you are big enough. Like Google and Facebook. Once again the EU shot itself in both foots.

    3. Re:Counterpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What problem does it solve? Currently aggregators like Google News drive traffic to news sites, that's a good thing.

    4. Re:Counterpoint by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Just don't link into any EU nations. When a link into a EU nation is seen suggest an alternative to a free non EU nation.
      Dont pay an EU gov tax for your internet.

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  39. This will also effect /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So all you FB heaters on here from the EU better say goodbye while you can...

  40. Embrace Balkanism by bbsguru · · Score: 1

    So the possible removal of all things aggregated or social from the EU could be a Great Thing for the rest of the Wild West Web.
    Such companies Hosting in the EU would become a thing of the past, giving a small boost to business in other places.
    The traffic would still flow, of course, but Doing Business in the EU would become problematic. Users there will just get their pages
    served from elsewhere, at least until the EU enacts a Great Firewall of their own. Probably implemented by Huawei, of course.

    1. Re:Embrace Balkanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the plan

  41. Whiny hipsters must take a real job now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of making a career on youtube.

  42. Isolationism is bad by NeBan · · Score: 1

    From a tech perspective, Shutting out ideas is never a good idea. From a Business perspective, more markets are better. Politically, that sh*t is how wars start.

  43. 35 Billion dollars down the drain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There goes a huge part of the $35B SEO industry in Europe on the plus side, the VPN market will pick up.

  44. Are you sure about that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then there is Article 13, dubbed the "upload filter," which would effectively make digital platforms legally liable for any copyright infringements on their platform,

    A requirement to implement something is not the same as carrying the full liability for the issue that the implementation is deemed to lessen. Even less so as now the supposed violators can point out how they implement all the required steps for protection against the problem.

  45. I don't think they can by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Europe's strong privacy laws usually require servers in an EU country. That might have changed (based on this passing I think it's pretty obvious that American style political corruption has bled over to the EU, sorry guys), but if it hasn't Google et al will just leave.

    That said, these are mostly American (i.e. foreign) countries. I don't think they care if they leave. I could see the EU wanting their own, home grown alternative services. The whole point of the EU was to make a large market to stand up to the US economically.

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    1. Re: I don't think they can by lgw · · Score: 1

      Europe's strong privacy laws usually require servers in an EU country.

      If Google removes all it's operation from the EU, the EU has no recourse. They won't, of course, as their business would shrink as a result, and they care about money above all, but they could.

      A more reasonable move would be to spin off all EU-related business into its own set of corporations, and let them go their separate ways. Of course, any company that has billions sitting around in a Irish subsidiary for tax reasons won't be able to do that, for which I have no sympathy at all.

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    2. Re: I don't think they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The whole point of the EU was to make a large market to stand up to the US economically.

      Then it became EU is a large market opened to anyone (even if the foreign market is closed to EU companies)

    3. Re: I don't think they can by Hodr · · Score: 1

      What are you gabbing about. There are no EU laws that restrict Europeans from accessing services outside of their political domain, and no laws forcing outside companies/people to provide services inside of the EU.

      If you meant to say laws requiring EU based companies to keep servers inside the EU, then you may have a point. Except the logical extension of the parent posts position about moving the servers would be to remove the associated services from falling under their EU subsidiaries. If you tried to force google EU to host youtube servers in the EU they would just respond "we don't own or operate youtube".

      Of course there is very little chance this would happen, but it's possible.

    4. Re: I don't think they can by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Cost benefit analysis: If the cost of the new liability outweighs the profits garnered by having a presence in Europe then the big cos like Google will come to the profit's call.

      Law goes into effect -> Turn off all Google services in the EU.

      Hard to say what those numbers are so one may or may not outweigh the other but this law has the potential to cost Google enough money that such decisions become viable.. we are talking about *really big numbers tho so.. if Google makes Billions off of the EU market then they can afford to spend hundreds of millions dealing with that liability..

      The answer of splitting of limited liability companies to shoulder the consequences is probably the right answer.

    5. Re: I don't think they can by bongey · · Score: 1

      Nope Google will just bring back and improve their floating data centers and just put them in international waters registered under a US flag.

    6. Re: I don't think they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "B-b-but we're not corrupt, evil, greedy, inhuman lizard people! We just want to destroy all possible innovation or success in the world!"

  46. Not sure about the EU by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but the American House is the ultimate power here. Don't underestimate the power of holding the purse strings.

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  47. Enforcement is a service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The nature of enforcement is necessarily specified in the contract.

    Enforcement is a service; like any other service, it can be implemented by the market, where there can be competing service providers; indeed, the world already has competing service providers (e.g., the United States and the European Union, etc.), and it is this competition that keeps Tyranny in check even when none of the participants gives 2 shits about liberty.

    Enforcement is an iterative process; it doesn't involve infinite recursion that can only be broken by One True Authority; there is no need to institute One World Government; there is no need for a violently imposed monopoly on contract enforcement.

    1. Re: Enforcement is a service by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Ah right so if the contract is broken you have to spend time and money suing the other party. Sounds awesome. Especially if they're much richer than you.

  48. Everyone is a bold hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you whine about tech companies and whine about this you are a hypocrite.

  49. If you can't Tax em, Fine em. part 2 by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

    We all know how this will end. Google, Facebook et al are going to just drop all EU content and depending on how aggressive the individual laws are may even just block entire countries outright.

    Every major web property needs to do this right now especially if it's a search engine (Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo), a social network of any kind (Facebook, Twitter, private webforums, blogs) or a user hosted content provider (Wikipedia, YouTube, SoundCloud). Pull out of all EU countries and explicitly block access to them. I mean, how do you do business in these countries when they've effectively banned hyperlinking.

    Frankly, when GDPR happened they should've pulled out right then and there, but they didn't because of "The potential market share". Well that potential market share is about to cost you billions in GDPR fines alone making any gains a loss sum game. Now imagine the billions lost from this law, and the next law, and the next law...

    This will continue for as long as these sites put up with getting fined for doing their purpose. The only way stupid laws ever get repealed is when the law causes unnecessary harm and pisses off enough voters. Every major web property shutting down for the EU sounds like it would get the job done.

  50. End of an era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet was a great invention, but it was an American invention. It was only to be expected that nazi Europeans, who love censorship and despise freedom, would want to destroy it. It was a good run. Remember, if you see a European, call him a fascist to his face. Because that's what he is.

  51. Shit, my login screen has your nick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And under it I have typed in 'Microshaft Corporation.'

    Hopefully someone will link this to that other guy with a similar name :)

  52. Straw man. Also, that's a lack of property rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * I never said any of those people are "scholars"; you did. That makes your rebuttal a straw man. Perhaps see here for the question of "Who is a scholar?"

    * At the heart of your scenario is a lack of property rights, a lack of competition in enforcing property rights, and a dependence on a small, corruptible, centralized group of legislators to define the situation correctly for everyone. You are arguing my case for me; how can you not perceive this?

  53. Exactly by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    Those artists are going to have a hell of a time when nobody links to their work

    Stop indexing links from companies that want money for them.

    Problem solved.

  54. I would be fine with this, if... by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    You know, I would actually be fine with strengthening some aspects of copyright protection - if there were softening in other respects. Media producers want paid for snippets? Fine, absolutely fine. But their copyright expires in 12 months, after which the material enters the public domain.

    What is actually likely to happen: Media companies will be shocked, shocked when companies like Google simply stop linking to them. Their business will collapse, until they see the solution: issuing a general public license allowing anyone to link to their content with no fees whatsoever. At which time, Google&Co. will start linking to them again. We've been here before, more or less. And we'll be here again in a few years, when the next generation of clueless MBAs decides to try to monetize links.

    The liability of platforms for copyright infringement by their users? I'm not seeing a great solution to that one. Stupid politicians, this is why we can't have nice things...

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    1. Re:I would be fine with this, if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, those idiots will not give a blanket license to everyone, just to the big ones. They'll still try to milk the smaller aggregators. This will of course further increase the market power of Google and Facebook, to the utter surprise of the European media houses. Mark my words. They are that shortsighted.

  55. just upload an image of the letter "E" in fonts by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    just upload an image of the letter "E" in lots of diffident fonts and see how fast sites get taken down.

  56. fair use stands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck you greedy n i g g e rs, especially the rothschilds

  57. 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Orwell was right. He was just 35 years ahead in thinking about the title. Note that the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four was published 70 years ago. He was off by half. Nice job EU, nice job.

  58. Copyright both protects and abuses by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Seriously? You still believe that Copyright "protects artists"?

    Absolutely. Not even a debate. That doesn't mean it also isn't being abused widely as well. Those are not orthogonal concepts. Same thing for patents. Yes they protect inventors. Yes they are also being abused by large corporations and patent trolls.

    Copyright is a *distributor's privilege*! To take power *away* from artists. By the same distributors that regularly try to *lower* the meaningless peanuts that artists get from the cake.

    That is only true if the creator of the copyrighted work grants a distributor such rights. Don't sign a bad contract with a distributor an it isn't a problem.

    If you had ever been an artist, you'll know that they get their money from gigs and merchandising, and it has been shown time and time again, that if they just share all their works as a form of marketing, they make *more* money, than they ever did from copyright!

    Umm, you do realize not every "artist" is a musician right? What you are describing has nothing to do with most forms of copyrighted works. Sure the music industry is pretty fucked up in a lot of ways but you can't take that industry and generalize it to all uses of copyright. And even as screwed up as the music industry is, copyright still does protect artists from rampant plagiarism of their work. The fact that musicians tend to fritter away the benefit they get from copyright by signing one sided deals with scummy media companies is a separate issue.

  59. Order 66 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to rid ourselves of this farce called democracy

    1. Re:Order 66 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good news!

      You never really lived in a "democracy" in the first place.

      This was all just a political puppet show run by the rich to keep the workers from hauling out the pitchforks every so often.

      You might have noticed the A) the common people have no direct say in the operation of the governments, B) The majority of the people in power are put there by the Rich, and C) Nearly all of the important legislation is really just business law.

      So cheer up!

  60. No more snippets by Daralantan · · Score: 1
    They should just instead change every link's "snippet" to say:

    Your government doesn't want you to know what this is about.

    Granted I know it's that they want it paid for, but this would be easier AND pettier! More fun. (I seem to recall some South Park game had to remove a scene in one country and they just put up that country's national flag and text about the government saying no while the scene's audio continued to play)

  61. No more links to European sites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to go through my web sites now and remove all links to web sites in Europe. Buh Bye. Auf Wiedersehen.

  62. Haw Haa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brexit is looking pretty good now!

    1. Re:Haw Haa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would link to a picture of Nelson, but I'm in the EU.

  63. DNC Did this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the recent past the DNC already had a fitness test to determine if you should vote. Real simple...

    Are you black? No vote for you.
    They currently support a KKK member as Gov of VA to this day.

    1. Re:DNC Did this already by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What matters is what's in someone's skull, not what color the skin has that stretches over it. If you want to find out whether someone is fit to vote, you can't tell by looking at them, you actually have to talk to them.

      No, I don't like that either, talking to people is something I try to avoid on principle, but democracy is worth the suffering.

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  64. GIF infused memes? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    Anything that discourages GIF infused Meme's should be celebrated.

  65. You're totally missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Separation of Powers is important.

    Co-equal branches in a government is a separation of powers, but a very weak one.

    The most robust form of a separation of powers is competition.

    The most humane form of competition is voluntary interaction as determined by a system of contract negotiation/enforcement; such a system must itself be subjected to this idea, leading to an iterative, evolutionary design.

    I hope that clears things up.

  66. On the contrary: Capitalism ASSUMES jerks exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike competing philosophies, capitalism (i.e., libertarianism) assumes that man is not comprised of angels; capitalism is built to withstand malevolence and even exploit selfishness for the benefit of everyone else.

    The Tyranny that you point out is kept in check by competition (e.g., the United States Government vs the Soviet Union); even when neither party cares about liberty, the competition results in a better situation for liberty to exist.

    The corporations of today are a creature of the governments of today, and governments of today are designed to be total, violently imposed monopolies within some jurisdiction. So, what you're angry about is not this selfish nature of man but rather the lack of competition in a particular jurisdiction. The problem you are describing is a lack of capitalism; the problem is the very authoritarianism that is in question.

    Corporations buy influence over the local violently imposed monopoly, government. The problem is government; the problem is imposition; the problem is a lack of competition.

    It's irrational to suggest that a violently imposed monopoly be used to save society from a voluntarily grown monopoly. That makes no sense; it is contradictory to the degree of being absurd.

  67. That doesn't follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you have a system to enforce contracts when the injured party is not able to do it themselves you have a government"

    That sentence comes out of nowhere. Not only is it almost unintelligible, but you've just made it up; it doesn't seem to be derived from anything. It appears to be an axiom in your world view.

  68. Major players block by bhenson · · Score: 1

    If the major players such as Facebook, Google and AP put a block into place with a message saying it was because of the new law. I bet they would quickly get it overturned.

  69. No idea what the fuss is all about.. by propheth · · Score: 1

    This gives more power to the one publishing content. Looks like big bro G and friends have lit a fire under most of the cattle. Probably bad for Slashdot as well.. But If you want others to be able to use your content just give your terms/rights away with some meta tag to indicate such at least you have the power to do so.

  70. It's not tribalism; it's repercussions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If history has taught us anything, it's that appeasing authoritarians just leads to more authoritarianism.

  71. Great News For Google by totallyarb · · Score: 1

    My takeaway from this is: great news for the big boys in the game, primarily Google.

    Link Tax: Most news sites need Google more than Google needs them. They will waive the charges for Google or see traffic plummet. Google's less-well-known competitors, though... perhaps not. You wanna launch an aggregator as a competitor to Google News, expect to have to pay a lot more for content than Google does.

    Meme Ban: Google has the economies of scale that will allow it to afford the investment that complying with the regulations requires without simply blanket-banning anything containing any copyrighted content. Google's competitors... not so much.

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  72. Google *and* big media win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google and media companies will sort this out. First, the automated censorship for Article 13 virtually put Google and Failbook in charge as the overlord masters of the entire Internet or maybe a few handful others as well that might pull this off (Amazon? Oracle?)
    Even Article 11 is something that giants can deal with, not so much small ones like /. or individuals.
    Huge media blocks can navigate this. There will be dozens of high paid lawyers on both sides lawyering stuff.

    Who loses? Every one else.
    Independent news sites and independent journalists are obvious targets of this directive for one thing. e.g. content that criticizes war can easily suppressed through several means. Copyright infringement, linking to the New York Times, terrorism, fake news, and an amplification of this if there's comment box on the page.
    What if the US or one of its numerous allies bombs a wedding? They will suppress this and are establishing an expectation this should be done within minutes.

  73. It makes you wonder who the extremists are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else find it curious how those who support brexit are "extremists"? I certainly would not want to be in the EU.

  74. Yes, yes you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Different AC here: Yesterday's accusation was the wrong one. I've been reading your bullshit for years on here. You're no SJW. You're no bleeding heart liberal. You're one rally away from being a full blown Nazi and always have been. Dumbshits just don't pay attention anymore. Your AC rant above though, is pretty spot on at least for the American music industry, but if you're gonna goosestep with the big boys, at least own that shit.

  75. now the truth by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    several major companies said they will restrict their websites from viewers in the EU, wonder how many will now follow through or if they were just empty words

  76. Brexit by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Up next...

    Frexit
    Grexit
    Spexit

    you get the idea

  77. Frexit, Itexit, et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I told you, the EU is the enemy of the people.

    Unironically!

  78. Kind of stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine before the internet if businesses charged the phone book people to list their phone number. They'd be wondering why the phone doesn't ring.

  79. Google will deal with this. Wikipedia is dooemed. by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Google will do a deal with the content providers to pay them a very small fee to link to them. Content providers that do not agree will simply not be linked to.

    Some of the big ones may drop off, and this might be an opportunity for little ones to gain traction. No big issue for Google, one site is much the same as another.

    Google might also offer a paid service which lets users see links to more expensive sites.

    Wikipedia, OTOH, will be in trouble. They will just not be able to include links to other sites at all. Nobody can negotiate for each and every link.

  80. Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All EU citizens should put stickers on the posters of EU-candidates. A green one "pro free Net" and a red one "against free Net".
    Then let them get the result of ignoring people!

  81. Mod parent up as informative about the law by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    Whatever one thinks of the law, it is good to understand how the European Parliament is promoting it, as at that link: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/...

    This is not in any way to defend that law, just to say it is useful to try to understand the mindset and world view behind it -- and how it was spun and sold.

    While I agree a tax to link to something risks breaking the web (or at least the European part), here are some positive spins from the article about other aspects of copyright reform in the EU probably used to help sell the rest of the restrictions that otherwise seem to favor big publishers: "Uploading protected works for quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody or pastiche has been protected even more than it was before... It also stipulates that copyright restrictions will not apply to content used for teaching or illustration. Finally, the directive also allows copyrighted material to be used free-of-charge to preserve cultural heritage. Out-of-commerce works can be used where no collective management organisation exists that can issue a license."

    Of course, what those sentences really mean in practice however they may seem to sound, I don't know.

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  82. Here's a meme... Fuck EU by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    Thanks to accomadations to GDPR, many webpages now have an extra click-through before you can access the content. I hope that Google/Youtube/etc don't kowtow to the EU, and castrate their services globally. Geoblock search and Youtube to the EU. I hope they're happy with that.

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  83. DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if you use a DNS server, and the link goes to copyrighted material, is that a problem? Maybe all commercial web properties should be removed from DNS just in case?

  84. Re:Google will deal with this. Wikipedia is dooeme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikipedia falls under an exception.

    Google will drop off, delink, and deplatform everyone, and then Google will ask content providers to pay Google for the right to link to those content providers. If content providers don't want to pay, the will stay delinked. That's more profit to Google.