I know it's not fashionable to RTFA, but to skip the very first word of the summary? That's going for a new low.
You and your 4 digit id must be new here. I've seen people wig out over the first half of the title, and not even bother to get to the end of that before writing and angry, condescending (and modded up) pose in the comments.
I've come to the conclusion that anyone using the phrase "ivory tower" is probably an idiot with a chip on their shoulder.
we write programs to run on REAL hardware today
Well done you understand your job. However it's the height of arrogance to assume that because you don't understand academic jobs that they're somehow worthless.
Hell, it was just a six years ago that Bjarne Stroustrup was so far out-of-touch with modern hardware and its L1 cache that he was surprised to learn that doubly linked lists give shitty cache usage.
It takes a special kind of arrogant to take someone who is telling people why a technique is bad and go herp derp he's a stupid he doesn't know its bad.
Depends what I'm doing. Usually, if I need to knock together a GUI, the FLTK serves well. If I'm doing something by hand, normally the event loop features as a major part so I don't think of it as small.
I also rather like X, but having done a fair bit of it, I'm used to seeing the boilerplate. I don't usually stop and reexamine things like I just did.
You don't need the first flush and sleep then. It's the same length if you don't count the {}. I blame lack of coffee for not using that obvious solution first. In fairness, I don't often try to write absolute minimal boilerplate code using the raw API:)
Kotlin is barely on their radar and it's already being used in the industry, in non-trivial projects. Bottom line: As far as practical skills go, CS is too far behind the curve.
Both wrong and right at the same time.
The goal of a CS degree isn't to teach practical skills for the next 5 years.
In terms of being behind the curve, it's usually so far ahead that it looks irrelevant. Look at Kotlin, it's now out there in industry using well established techniques which makes it not especially interesting from an academic point of view.
It does have things like generics and functional techniques which for a long time were thought of in industry as impractical irrelevant things from academia. Academia should be teaching you the stuff that's so far ahead of the curve it looks irrelevant because people have figured out some of the theory but not the practice yet.
A person who has graduated from BUD/S doesn't talk about what they have done like you are trying to do. REAL badasses don't need to talk.
o /|\ <-- you /\
. <-- the joke
I mean wow, you managed to not have the joke go flying over your head and yet you still managed not to get it. I guess being oblivious is an AC special skill?
X is a command potocol over sockets. You only do things now if you send them to the server (i.e. flush the command queue).
The first flush and sleep is to get the window on the screen. The sleep is to wait for it to happen. The more conventional method is to wait for an appropriate even, but that has a lot more boilerplate.
The second flush is to get the draw line to appear before the final sleep. The final sleep is so that program stays running, otherwise the window would close.
You need to (and I appreciate the irony of this) spend less time listening to idiots on the internet. No, "people" don't.
So it's rape and torture.
Look, bro, it's up to you. This is your fight, not mine. You can't logic people into paying atttention to you. If you give people the impression you're off the wall crazy before you've even got to the meat of your argument people are going to assume (quite logically) that you are indeed off the wall crazy and not listen.
And the nyou utterly fail to get your point across.
Currently, your agrument is "doctors are sadists fetishists therefore its rape". Well, with that you've lost about 99.99% of your audience.
Causing a permanently disfiguring or crippling injury - that's mayhem.
Words mean things. Using words you think sound cool even if they don't mean quite the right thig doesn't make your arguments sound badass, it makes you seem loopy. And that's a perfect way to get people to ignore you.
It's done without a real medical reason in 99.999% of all cases, they push an useless procedure as beneficial - so it's medical fraud
Getting circumcised for religious reasons (a common reason) is ont medical fraud. Like I said, misusing phrases because you think they make it sound worse actually makes YOU sound foolish.
You have a choice. You can either throw al the worst words you can think of at it or you can be listened to and have your argument heard. It's up to you.
1) What is your beef with "old folk" ? I am 62 years old and I GUARANTEE I could kick your ass in hand to hand combat.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
1) What is your beef with "old folk" ? I am 62 years old and I GUARANTEE I could kick your ass in hand to hand combat.
Also, what on earth does that have to do with wireless headphones, or wired ones for that matter?
They should make the tools simpler so everyone can participate.
They have. It's called an "Arduino".
You know, have like blocks that fit together so you can build a robot
They're called "Arduino Shields".
Or if you prefer, it's called I2C or SPI. But really, you can build a robot by taking an arduino, attaching a stepper shield and plugging in a beefier PSU and some steppers. Adding even pretty advanced sensors is a question of shoving another shield on.
But if you think a lot of EE hasn't got easier recently, the you really really haven't been paying attention to the field.
It's actually not that bad in X if you are prepared to not properly support vastly obsolete display tech (i.e. paletted displays), or indeed anything other than 24 bit.
One problem is that the sample code is generally hyper-correct which is fine and all, but not a good tutorial. Here's about the minimal code to draw a red line on the screen:
#include <X11/Xlib.h> #include <unistd.h>
int main() {
Display *d = XOpenDisplay(nullptr);
Window w = XCreateSimpleWindow(d, XRootWindow(d, 0), 0, 0, 640, 480, 0, 0, 00);
XMapWindow(d, w);
XFlush(d);
usleep(100000);
GC gc = XCreateGC(d, w, 0, nullptr);
unsigned long color = (255<<16);
XSetForeground(d, gc, color);
It's not guaranteed to work literally everywhere, but it will work on what's now the vast majority of hardware. It's certainly not as good as BASIC, with 1 line to enter graphics mode and a second to draw. There are only 8 lines of boilerplate though.
No I don't. I paint people with specific ideas the colour of stupid.
How egalitarian of you!
It's terrible isn't it when you hit a true egalatarian. I judge people by what they say and do not who they are. Unfortunately that seems to upset you.
Whether you're conservative, progressive, libertarian, or whatever, the idea that the people should give the government power to enforce such a thing ought to be frightening.
Only if you're really thick. Governments have enforced zoning restrictions for years and somehow society hasn't collapsed into some sort of dystopia as a result of that.
IOW your claims are at odds with observable evidence.
And yes I paint everyone who holds opinions at odds with reality with the same stupid-brush. Because I'm egalitarian.
If you like, but it doesn't fit any commonly accepted definition of that. If you don't use words to mean what everyone else means by them then you will at best confuse people and at worst put people off from the message you're trying to convey.
plus torture,
sure
mayhem,
u wot
organ theft
I'd avoid that too. Kidnapping someone and stealing their kidney to implant in someone else is what most people have in mind by that. Plus you know I don't think the foreskin qualifies as an organ in the way most people think of it.
medical fraud,
If it's done for medical reasons, then yes. If it's done for other reasons you'll just confuse people.
sometimes even vampirism
Yesh I'd steer clear of that one too.
It's a nasty package.
It can be nasty without being any of the things it patently isn't. If you call it things it isn't people won't listen to you because they won't find you credible. That's the opposite of what you want.
right so you get a pi, then fuck around with software, get a case from somewhere and then find a suitable PSU. Then find some controllers. And the ROMs.
I like that kind of fuckery: I have an xarcade dual stick, mame and roms. I like setting it up and I like playing it. But I get it's not for everyone. You should too. 60 bucks saves several hours and 15 years experience and there is nothing wrong with that.
Also your sig: can you not? It serves nothing except deligitimising your point because you're misusing words.
Yeah, I don't understand why people are excited about paying $60 for...
Most people aren't techies and unlike you and I wouldn't enjoy actually getting the thing to work (and would probably take a lot longer to do it too).
The $60 allows them to relive the fun of an earlier era with zero fucking around. No finding ROMS or emulators or a suitable computer on which to run them, controllers a case and so on and so forth.
What's the norm here amongst other nations? I thought Europe taxed global companies on sales via VAT. Does SK not have a sales tax?
The big companies thoroughly abused that too. For example, some conutries have a low VAT rate. So, google would have a tone of "not sales" staff in (e.g. London) who "didn't sell" anything, merely prepped the client for a sale by doing, say, 100% of the work required for the sale. The sale itself would then be booked through a country with a low VAT rate.
The US taxes foreign corporations on income they derive "regularly" from operations in the US.
You keep saying you want people born as women in women's bathrooms, and I've shown you pictures of burly bearded dudes who were born as women.
I want to know why you want to force them into women's bathrooms.
I think it's so it provides a plausible deniable cover for you. It's the only explanation I can think of because forcing dudes like that into the ladies is mushy plain weird. I think it's because you're a creeper.
Yes it doesn't, you have misunderstood how it works.
You don't take tht exact system you have now and give an extra $58,000 to everyone.
What you do is give $something to everyone, remove most benefits (generally excludig medical) and then bump up taxes. The median person sees no change in net income.
I dont's think you actually care. All you're doing is shooting off on the internet about how while someone is fixing one problem or doesn't meet your exacting standards because it's not the problem you're currently vaguely thinking about.
This is what aboutism at it's finest. You contribute absolutely nothing while trying to divert the discussion.
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I know it's not fashionable to RTFA, but to skip the very first word of the summary? That's going for a new low.
You and your 4 digit id must be new here. I've seen people wig out over the first half of the title, and not even bother to get to the end of that before writing and angry, condescending (and modded up) pose in the comments.
Outside the academic ivory tower
I've come to the conclusion that anyone using the phrase "ivory tower" is probably an idiot with a chip on their shoulder.
we write programs to run on REAL hardware today
Well done you understand your job. However it's the height of arrogance to assume that because you don't understand academic jobs that they're somehow worthless.
Hell, it was just a six years ago that Bjarne Stroustrup was so far out-of-touch with modern hardware and its L1 cache that he was surprised to learn that doubly linked lists give shitty cache usage.
It takes a special kind of arrogant to take someone who is telling people why a technique is bad and go herp derp he's a stupid he doesn't know its bad.
Depends what I'm doing. Usually, if I need to knock together a GUI, the FLTK serves well. If I'm doing something by hand, normally the event loop features as a major part so I don't think of it as small.
I also rather like X, but having done a fair bit of it, I'm used to seeing the boilerplate. I don't usually stop and reexamine things like I just did.
No worries. I just realised I could write the correct event loop in a much more ters, but straightforward way:
Window w = XCreateSimpleWindow(d, XRootWindow(d, 0), 0, 0, 640, 480, 0, 0, 00);
XSelectInput(d, w, ExposureMask);
XMapWindow(d, w);
for(XEvent e; XNextEvent(d, &e), e.type != Expose; )
{}
You don't need the first flush and sleep then. It's the same length if you don't count the {}. I blame lack of coffee for not using that obvious solution first. In fairness, I don't often try to write absolute minimal boilerplate code using the raw API :)
Kotlin is barely on their radar and it's already being used in the industry, in non-trivial projects. Bottom line: As far as practical skills go, CS is too far behind the curve.
Both wrong and right at the same time.
The goal of a CS degree isn't to teach practical skills for the next 5 years.
In terms of being behind the curve, it's usually so far ahead that it looks irrelevant. Look at Kotlin, it's now out there in industry using well established techniques which makes it not especially interesting from an academic point of view.
It does have things like generics and functional techniques which for a long time were thought of in industry as impractical irrelevant things from academia. Academia should be teaching you the stuff that's so far ahead of the curve it looks irrelevant because people have figured out some of the theory but not the practice yet.
A person who has graduated from BUD/S doesn't talk about what they have done like you are trying to do. REAL badasses don't need to talk.
o
. <-- the joke
I mean wow, you managed to not have the joke go flying over your head and yet you still managed not to get it. I guess being oblivious is an AC special skill?
PS you missed the bit about "gorilla warfare".
X is a command potocol over sockets. You only do things now if you send them to the server (i.e. flush the command queue).
The first flush and sleep is to get the window on the screen. The sleep is to wait for it to happen. The more conventional method is to wait for an appropriate even, but that has a lot more boilerplate.
The second flush is to get the draw line to appear before the final sleep. The final sleep is so that program stays running, otherwise the window would close.
These days people call lots of things rape,
You need to (and I appreciate the irony of this) spend less time listening to idiots on the internet. No, "people" don't.
So it's rape and torture.
Look, bro, it's up to you. This is your fight, not mine. You can't logic people into paying atttention to you. If you give people the impression you're off the wall crazy before you've even got to the meat of your argument people are going to assume (quite logically) that you are indeed off the wall crazy and not listen.
And the nyou utterly fail to get your point across.
Currently, your agrument is "doctors are sadists fetishists therefore its rape". Well, with that you've lost about 99.99% of your audience.
Causing a permanently disfiguring or crippling injury - that's mayhem.
Words mean things. Using words you think sound cool even if they don't mean quite the right thig doesn't make your arguments sound badass, it makes you seem loopy. And that's a perfect way to get people to ignore you.
It's done without a real medical reason in 99.999% of all cases, they push an useless procedure as beneficial - so it's medical fraud
Getting circumcised for religious reasons (a common reason) is ont medical fraud. Like I said, misusing phrases because you think they make it sound worse actually makes YOU sound foolish.
You have a choice. You can either throw al the worst words you can think of at it or you can be listened to and have your argument heard. It's up to you.
1) What is your beef with "old folk" ? I am 62 years old and I GUARANTEE I could kick your ass in hand to hand combat.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
1) What is your beef with "old folk" ? I am 62 years old and I GUARANTEE I could kick your ass in hand to hand combat.
Also, what on earth does that have to do with wireless headphones, or wired ones for that matter?
They should make the tools simpler so everyone can participate.
They have. It's called an "Arduino".
You know, have like blocks that fit together so you can build a robot
They're called "Arduino Shields".
Or if you prefer, it's called I2C or SPI. But really, you can build a robot by taking an arduino, attaching a stepper shield and plugging in a beefier PSU and some steppers. Adding even pretty advanced sensors is a question of shoving another shield on.
But if you think a lot of EE hasn't got easier recently, the you really really haven't been paying attention to the field.
Similar reasoning applies to XWindows.
It's actually not that bad in X if you are prepared to not properly support vastly obsolete display tech (i.e. paletted displays), or indeed anything other than 24 bit.
One problem is that the sample code is generally hyper-correct which is fine and all, but not a good tutorial. Here's about the minimal code to draw a red line on the screen:
#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
int main() {
Display *d = XOpenDisplay(nullptr);
Window w = XCreateSimpleWindow(d, XRootWindow(d, 0), 0, 0, 640, 480, 0, 0, 00);
XMapWindow(d, w);
XFlush(d);
usleep(100000);
GC gc = XCreateGC(d, w, 0, nullptr);
unsigned long color = (255<<16);
XSetForeground(d, gc, color);
XDrawLine(d, w, gc, 10, 10, 500, 300);
XFlush(d);
sleep(10);
}
It's not guaranteed to work literally everywhere, but it will work on what's now the vast majority of hardware. It's certainly not as good as BASIC, with 1 line to enter graphics mode and a second to draw. There are only 8 lines of boilerplate though.
And there is no such thing as gravity, it's just a curve in space time.
That's like saying there's no such thing as air, it's just atoms.
That's what gravity *is*. Having an explanation of it doesn't suddenly make it not exist.
And you paint everyone with the same brush
No I don't. I paint people with specific ideas the colour of stupid.
How egalitarian of you!
It's terrible isn't it when you hit a true egalatarian. I judge people by what they say and do not who they are. Unfortunately that seems to upset you.
Whether you're conservative, progressive, libertarian, or whatever, the idea that the people should give the government power to enforce such a thing ought to be frightening.
Only if you're really thick. Governments have enforced zoning restrictions for years and somehow society hasn't collapsed into some sort of dystopia as a result of that.
IOW your claims are at odds with observable evidence.
And yes I paint everyone who holds opinions at odds with reality with the same stupid-brush. Because I'm egalitarian.
You're welcome.
But I DO think of it as rape
If you like, but it doesn't fit any commonly accepted definition of that. If you don't use words to mean what everyone else means by them then you will at best confuse people and at worst put people off from the message you're trying to convey.
plus torture,
sure
mayhem,
u wot
organ theft
I'd avoid that too. Kidnapping someone and stealing their kidney to implant in someone else is what most people have in mind by that. Plus you know I don't think the foreskin qualifies as an organ in the way most people think of it.
medical fraud,
If it's done for medical reasons, then yes. If it's done for other reasons you'll just confuse people.
sometimes even vampirism
Yesh I'd steer clear of that one too.
It's a nasty package.
It can be nasty without being any of the things it patently isn't. If you call it things it isn't people won't listen to you because they won't find you credible. That's the opposite of what you want.
yep. Agree or disagree, it's a defensible point now.
Since you're the good pontiff, I know you're joking.
What's amazing is that there are plenty of people here who would say that with a great deal of earnestness.
right so you get a pi, then fuck around with software, get a case from somewhere and then find a suitable PSU. Then find some controllers. And the ROMs.
I like that kind of fuckery: I have an xarcade dual stick, mame and roms. I like setting it up and I like playing it. But I get it's not for everyone. You should too. 60 bucks saves several hours and 15 years experience and there is nothing wrong with that.
Also your sig: can you not? It serves nothing except deligitimising your point because you're misusing words.
Yeah, I don't understand why people are excited about paying $60 for ...
Most people aren't techies and unlike you and I wouldn't enjoy actually getting the thing to work (and would probably take a lot longer to do it too).
The $60 allows them to relive the fun of an earlier era with zero fucking around. No finding ROMS or emulators or a suitable computer on which to run them, controllers a case and so on and so forth.
What's the norm here amongst other nations? I thought Europe taxed global companies on sales via VAT. Does SK not have a sales tax?
The big companies thoroughly abused that too. For example, some conutries have a low VAT rate. So, google would have a tone of "not sales" staff in (e.g. London) who "didn't sell" anything, merely prepped the client for a sale by doing, say, 100% of the work required for the sale. The sale itself would then be booked through a country with a low VAT rate.
The US taxes foreign corporations on income they derive "regularly" from operations in the US.
What income?
Greedy government always wants it's "cut"
Yeah those fucking roads should pay for themselves.
I can't believe how greedy and selfish people are expecting everyone to contribute to. Disgusting.
You keep saying you want people born as women in women's bathrooms, and I've shown you pictures of burly bearded dudes who were born as women.
I want to know why you want to force them into women's bathrooms.
I think it's so it provides a plausible deniable cover for you. It's the only explanation I can think of because forcing dudes like that into the ladies is mushy plain weird. I think it's because you're a creeper.
That isn't how UBI is supposed to work. This "pilot program" fucked it up on purpose by making it needs-based.
In fact one could argue that if it's not universal then it's not er Universal Basic Income.
UBI doesn't scale to everyone
Yes it doesn't, you have misunderstood how it works.
You don't take tht exact system you have now and give an extra $58,000 to everyone.
What you do is give $something to everyone, remove most benefits (generally excludig medical) and then bump up taxes. The median person sees no change in net income.
yes
Quite. Now tell my why you want dude person in the ladies:
http://stream.aljazeera.com/si...
I think you're pretty weird for wanting him in the ladies. I think maybe you want it so YOU can go in and have plausible deniability.
oh fuck off
I dont's think you actually care. All you're doing is shooting off on the internet about how while someone is fixing one problem or doesn't meet your exacting standards because it's not the problem you're currently vaguely thinking about.
This is what aboutism at it's finest. You contribute absolutely nothing while trying to divert the discussion.
Pathetic.