Seems to me that you are in error. They can shoot him and very little will come of it if they do. They wouldn't shoot him tho, but not because they can't. It's because there are better ways to kill him.
They wouldn't shoot him or kill him because they fear his death. The entirety of his NSA/Intelligence collection will be released to the public in the event of his death. Most of which he said would be far too damaging to the US if shown publicly for him to release it. It was a trump card to promote a healthy conversation. Killing him is the biggest fear the of the Executive branch. It would yield the biggest shake up of the US government in it's entire history. The Pentagon Papers/Watergate and Iran Contra scandal would be laughable in comparison.
What choices did he have. The primary four NSA/CIA/FBI whistleblowers who preceded him all said they were persecuted and silenced for trying to work within the system How do you propose he brought this to light in a country that is trying to call him a terrorist/convict him of espionage for pointing out the truth and lies they are spreading?
People don't want to see this for what it is. There is no need for Deep Throat, or Snowden, or Binney when everything is on the up and up. Whistle blowing isn't from foreign interests trying to harm us. They are patriotic actions that love this country for what it should be. When Putin is pointing out the irony about a US congratulating itself for not wanting to kill the whistle blower who is being persecuted for telling the truth, and it is lost on the bulk of Americans we have a problem. We have lost our way.
I agree with you on this. That the nature of it being digital does not imply that there are no expectations of privacy. The logic i have heard is that you need to have a third party involved. Since that third party has knowledge the idea of privacy is non existent. therefore they can get their grubby hands on it. However,. If I send a package/letter it involves a third party. Why is that different?
"People who fuss over the right choice of words and ignore the deeper questions usually just like to hear themselves talk." The words are deeply meaningful at all times, about all things. Laziness, ignorance, and mis-stating only betray and mask what you are failing to convey, which leaves holes for incorrect interpretations and in worse scenarios: abuses of rhetoric/power. Democracy = Mob Rules. Constitutional Republic = Sovereignty of the people, protected by the Constitution. No government or ignorant mob can take away the essential liberties guaranteed and protected by the Constitution. As for a federal republic, they are and can be tyrannical, aristocratic, : Iraq/Pakistan/Nigeria/Russian Federation/Sudan Bonia Herzegovina (all of them are federal republics). If it makes you feel better we live in a Constitutional Federal Republic. The crux of what I was saying is the voting isn't the issue. Understanding what our government and country actually is, is critical. Once that is understood , then comes accountability for violating the Constitution. Perjury by Clapper cannot be forgiven. This isn't "smoke up peoples asses" this is pointing out your overly simplistic, misinformed, and from the sound of it deliberately ignorant viewpoint on the state of American politics. As for the rest of your diatribe I have a question: How do you solve what you are claiming is the problem, without understanding why the words I deliberately chose are relevant to the discussion. You want clarity in who we vote for and change without questioning the status quo, and you seem unwilling to hold people accountable for their ignorance, and culpability.
"People have lost hope in democracy. So what do we place our hope for the future in now?" We were not ever a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. At least you could bother to fact check. It isn't voting that is the issue, it is the lak of accountability. Obama was elected on the premise of transparency, ending the surveillance state and reigning in the Patriot Act, and pulling out of undeclared wars around the world. He abandoned those promises. The courts interpret the laws, and also plays a major factor in the Constitutionality of them. They are critical in keeping the laws on record in accordance with the Constitution. Failing that, they are as guilty and accountable as the Executive branch and the Congress that allow this sort of bullshit to continue into law.
Software... Very little hardware is made in the US. I think the US should look at back doors in hardware and no one in their right mind should consider Windows/OSX as secure/safe from prying eyes. And this is why we can't have nice things.. Insecure governments just can't help themselves.
They already block these.... Terrorist related/extremist. America take note of what happens when you allow even the slightest amount of censorship to occur.
So you'd sell your countries liberties for the ability to experiment with hacking/surveillance of your own populace? I can say I respect your honesty, because a comment like this makes you a genuine douche-bag.
.Why would they want any sort of accountability/records of who they listened to? That would make them guilty. No record means it didn't happen. Why do you think they can suck up the planets email but they cannot examine their own? (to have records will prove them guilty)
So here you are posting on Slashdot how no one is doing enough to stop this, and still you are complete anonymous pussy coward? It takes a real man to hide behind anonymity when he talks about manning up to safeguard our liberties. You don't know what I've done or how I've done it so piss off. Secondly your baited comments about technology are showing the complete lack of understanding of the political process, and the nature of technology. Going back to the stone doesn't solve the problem, and using technology i not the root of the problem. Altogether you are a fool.
You think the liberties that were important then are irrelevant today? Please explain yourself further and prove yourself a fool. Right now it is just an educated guess on my part.
... Then get flagged as a terror threat for monitoring police activity and obstructing justice. They may want to question you about a few of your most recent Google searches about "Open Source Software" as well, just to kick you in the nuts a little harder.
If you think a private crypto company is going to be safe/reliable then you have missed the point entirely. You can't trust the software if you can;t see the code. Period. It has been shown time and again when standards are ratified that the NSA had been poking their heads about to ffer suggestions to design.
Perjury under oath to the Senator who heads the very over site committee designed make certain the actions of your secret intelligence organization about how and which activities are being performed is not legal. Perjury is not legal. Which part of this do you not understand? The fact they are lying about their actions which are sanctioned only because of this over site, means they are deliberately obfuscating what they are doing so said over site is misinformed means the NSA is operating illegaly and without sanctions.
I believe those honest men are the whistle blowers that are largely maligned, raided and intruded by sheepish Americans, the media and their respective institutions in which they worked. Men stand up and refute orders that are unconstitutional.
Perjury is the term, and it is punishable only up to five years in jail. Sadly Aaron Swartz was facing a lifetime for copying text with intent to distribute from a publicly available publication. Surely the illegal gathering of information on hundreds of millions of citizens (not American people) as they refer to them (citizens have rights) has a similarly punishable crime associated with it. Which will likely not apply/be applied.
A little of column A and a little of column B. Between changing the definitions to protect their lies, we are discovering the scope and the scope is being extended as well.
They keep stretching the parameters and scope of what they can do. Of course that is only after they have been caught lying about the scope to begin with. Does anyone still believe them? I imagine quite soon they will start declaring that they need to have a back door to all encryption just in case you might do something wrong.
Google with Google Apps and Cloud Computing and with them slowly moving G+ into an intranet for business is headed squarely into MS Territory. This is a direct challenge to hosted Sharepoint/Exchange/Sky Drive.
Abuses occur now with the NSA and many other intelligence departments. The idea that this can only be used for problem X under circumstance Y is that people will always justify its use to serve their purpose. Surveillance creep is what they should call it.
The this isn't some partisan issue of libs versus Dems. This is an example of the abuses that occur already within the surveillance state we are living in. You don't have to be liberal or democrat to not approve of whats going on. It was wrong during the Bush Era and it's wrong now. If you can't see that then you are a big part of the problem.
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Seems to me that you are in error. They can shoot him and very little will come of it if they do.
They wouldn't shoot him tho, but not because they can't. It's because there are better ways to kill him.
They wouldn't shoot him or kill him because they fear his death. The entirety of his NSA/Intelligence collection will be released to the public in the event of his death. Most of which he said would be far too damaging to the US if shown publicly for him to release it. It was a trump card to promote a healthy conversation. Killing him is the biggest fear the of the Executive branch. It would yield the biggest shake up of the US government in it's entire history. The Pentagon Papers/Watergate and Iran Contra scandal would be laughable in comparison.
What choices did he have. The primary four NSA/CIA /FBI whistleblowers who preceded him all said they were persecuted and silenced for trying to work within the system How do you propose he brought this to light in a country that is trying to call him a terrorist/convict him of espionage for pointing out the truth and lies they are spreading?
People don't want to see this for what it is. There is no need for Deep Throat, or Snowden, or Binney when everything is on the up and up. Whistle blowing isn't from foreign interests trying to harm us. They are patriotic actions that love this country for what it should be. When Putin is pointing out the irony about a US congratulating itself for not wanting to kill the whistle blower who is being persecuted for telling the truth, and it is lost on the bulk of Americans we have a problem. We have lost our way.
I agree with you on this. That the nature of it being digital does not imply that there are no expectations of privacy. The logic i have heard is that you need to have a third party involved. Since that third party has knowledge the idea of privacy is non existent. therefore they can get their grubby hands on it. However,. If I send a package/letter it involves a third party. Why is that different?
"People who fuss over the right choice of words and ignore the deeper questions usually just like to hear themselves talk." The words are deeply meaningful at all times, about all things. Laziness, ignorance, and mis-stating only betray and mask what you are failing to convey, which leaves holes for incorrect interpretations and in worse scenarios: abuses of rhetoric/power. Democracy = Mob Rules. Constitutional Republic = Sovereignty of the people, protected by the Constitution. No government or ignorant mob can take away the essential liberties guaranteed and protected by the Constitution. As for a federal republic, they are and can be tyrannical, aristocratic, : Iraq/Pakistan/Nigeria/Russian Federation/Sudan Bonia Herzegovina (all of them are federal republics). If it makes you feel better we live in a Constitutional Federal Republic. The crux of what I was saying is the voting isn't the issue. Understanding what our government and country actually is, is critical. Once that is understood , then comes accountability for violating the Constitution. Perjury by Clapper cannot be forgiven. This isn't "smoke up peoples asses" this is pointing out your overly simplistic, misinformed, and from the sound of it deliberately ignorant viewpoint on the state of American politics. As for the rest of your diatribe I have a question: How do you solve what you are claiming is the problem, without understanding why the words I deliberately chose are relevant to the discussion. You want clarity in who we vote for and change without questioning the status quo, and you seem unwilling to hold people accountable for their ignorance, and culpability.
"People have lost hope in democracy. So what do we place our hope for the future in now?" We were not ever a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. At least you could bother to fact check. It isn't voting that is the issue, it is the lak of accountability. Obama was elected on the premise of transparency, ending the surveillance state and reigning in the Patriot Act, and pulling out of undeclared wars around the world. He abandoned those promises. The courts interpret the laws, and also plays a major factor in the Constitutionality of them. They are critical in keeping the laws on record in accordance with the Constitution. Failing that, they are as guilty and accountable as the Executive branch and the Congress that allow this sort of bullshit to continue into law.
Software... Very little hardware is made in the US. I think the US should look at back doors in hardware and no one in their right mind should consider Windows/OSX as secure/safe from prying eyes. And this is why we can't have nice things.. Insecure governments just can't help themselves.
They already block these.... Terrorist related/extremist. America take note of what happens when you allow even the slightest amount of censorship to occur.
So you'd sell your countries liberties for the ability to experiment with hacking/surveillance of your own populace? I can say I respect your honesty, because a comment like this makes you a genuine douche-bag.
.Why would they want any sort of accountability/records of who they listened to? That would make them guilty. No record means it didn't happen. Why do you think they can suck up the planets email but they cannot examine their own? (to have records will prove them guilty)
So here you are posting on Slashdot how no one is doing enough to stop this, and still you are complete anonymous pussy coward? It takes a real man to hide behind anonymity when he talks about manning up to safeguard our liberties. You don't know what I've done or how I've done it so piss off. Secondly your baited comments about technology are showing the complete lack of understanding of the political process, and the nature of technology. Going back to the stone doesn't solve the problem, and using technology i not the root of the problem. Altogether you are a fool.
You think the liberties that were important then are irrelevant today? Please explain yourself further and prove yourself a fool. Right now it is just an educated guess on my part.
... Then get flagged as a terror threat for monitoring police activity and obstructing justice. They may want to question you about a few of your most recent Google searches about "Open Source Software" as well, just to kick you in the nuts a little harder.
Done and Done. I should have donated sooner.
I am fairly certain the anonymous coward, was making a self (as in country) deprecating joke.
If you think a private crypto company is going to be safe/reliable then you have missed the point entirely. You can't trust the software if you can;t see the code. Period. It has been shown time and again when standards are ratified that the NSA had been poking their heads about to ffer suggestions to design.
Perjury under oath to the Senator who heads the very over site committee designed make certain the actions of your secret intelligence organization about how and which activities are being performed is not legal. Perjury is not legal. Which part of this do you not understand? The fact they are lying about their actions which are sanctioned only because of this over site, means they are deliberately obfuscating what they are doing so said over site is misinformed means the NSA is operating illegaly and without sanctions.
I believe those honest men are the whistle blowers that are largely maligned, raided and intruded by sheepish Americans, the media and their respective institutions in which they worked. Men stand up and refute orders that are unconstitutional.
Perjury is the term, and it is punishable only up to five years in jail. Sadly Aaron Swartz was facing a lifetime for copying text with intent to distribute from a publicly available publication. Surely the illegal gathering of information on hundreds of millions of citizens (not American people) as they refer to them (citizens have rights) has a similarly punishable crime associated with it. Which will likely not apply/be applied.
A little of column A and a little of column B. Between changing the definitions to protect their lies, we are discovering the scope and the scope is being extended as well.
They keep stretching the parameters and scope of what they can do. Of course that is only after they have been caught lying about the scope to begin with. Does anyone still believe them? I imagine quite soon they will start declaring that they need to have a back door to all encryption just in case you might do something wrong.
They haven't. They are doing incredibly useful things with webRTC etc.
Google with Google Apps and Cloud Computing and with them slowly moving G+ into an intranet for business is headed squarely into MS Territory. This is a direct challenge to hosted Sharepoint/Exchange/Sky Drive.
Abuses occur now with the NSA and many other intelligence departments. The idea that this can only be used for problem X under circumstance Y is that people will always justify its use to serve their purpose. Surveillance creep is what they should call it.
The this isn't some partisan issue of libs versus Dems. This is an example of the abuses that occur already within the surveillance state we are living in. You don't have to be liberal or democrat to not approve of whats going on. It was wrong during the Bush Era and it's wrong now. If you can't see that then you are a big part of the problem.