Word is a word processor, and my Word 98 (not to mention Excel and PPT) reads newer version docs from both platforms just fine. Ease of use would literally mean learning to type, so I'm not sure I understand your argument. Using Word is at times akin to Rocket Science (it is by far the biggest, most un-intuitive piece of bloatware known to mankind in my opinion), but it's still just a word processor.
But, you seem to be missing the point. Would they be singing the end of Apple as soon as Appleites starting missing the new pieces of bloatware that the Windows people are priviledge to? What would be the problem? I have a brother that is still using Office 98 just fine. No problems at all with windows users sending him.docs from new Office versions. This is a 6 year old version, and MS has 2004 for the Mac burning the shelf right now.
Not to mention projects like OpenOffice, iLife (as you mentioned), etc...
No, I think we would be just fine for many many years to come if MS announce tomorrow that 2004 would be the last version. Yes, a PR hit for sure, but for BOTH vendors. Not to mention the loss of a great money maker for MS. Apple's mainstream credibility is just fine. It has the #1 selling mp3 player on the market, OS X, G5's, iLife (unbelievable apps), Safari (fastest browser I use), iTunes (now for PC!), the Music store which is again, the #1 online music store, etc...
No, this Office thing would be just fine in my opinion,
You are incorrect. The.doc (as well as.ppt,.xcl, etc...) has remained the same in readability by all versions of Office, on all platforms for a reason. They wouldn't just stop this functionality. People on the Windows side would be up in arms, literally, let alone the Mac people. Not to mention, Office 2004 is already done for the Mac.
Therefore, I would suspect it would be several years, at LEAST before Mac users felt the pinch. Especially considering that the only thing they would be most likely missing is just a little more bloat to the biggest piece of bloatware I'm aware of.
They wouldn't make.doc's readable by only their "new version". That's just silly. It makes no sense. It never has, that't why they haven't yet, through all these years...
As far as I know,.docs created using Office 98 are still translatable to all post version on both platforms. This is a 6 year old app. So, if they stopped tomorrow how long would it be before Mac users REALLY felt the pinch?
Electronic voting is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time please, PLEASE listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found here. Just do a search for "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" in the search window in the left column. It fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting, and it's quite an eye opener.
Good luck.
People far, far too often equate "different" with "faulty" without realizing that it's the differences that do more to fulfill the potential of the human spirit than anything else we know of.
We would be wise to realize this. There is enormous strength in diversity that many people seem not to realize. We should celebrate and encourage diversity in all things. Instead, we are bred to judge and categorize. Watch TV for an hour and tell me how many perfect men and women you see. Literally "one in a million" actors portraying a "lifestyle" that you now need to have, etc... it's all quite maddening to watch and to realize that there are vast numbers of people who spend their lives attempting to fulfill those "fantasies" to the great delight of the corporation making those commercials, TV shows, etc... They create a want, and then sell it to you. It's the same as it has been forever, they are just masters with window to your living room now, able to form world views by the millions.
People need to wake up. Differences equal strength. Conformity is good for business, bad for the human spirit and its potential.
Artistic endevour vs. power/money. Of course, we can have both, but you have to realize that power/money will end up winning, as it is right now. You see, it breeds the power. With that power they want more of it, more control, more money, more "power", more conformity, more creating wants that are unatainable, etc... exit diversity and artistic endevour. It's unprofitable. It's ROI is unnattractive.
When I tell people I'm happy with my 6 year old car that doesn't even have a CD player (gasp!), they wonder what is "wrong" with me (GM execs start high fiving each other from their plants in Mexico as their "minions" take to the battle). They say, "come on, buy a new car already! That one is ugly, old, and you have to use one of those silly tape convertors to use your CD player". I usually just say I use the convertor for my iPod instead, but no matter. My clothes aren't cool unless they see the designer's tag to make SURE it's cool (looks aren't everything, you see, it's how much you SPENT on it). What kind of f'd up world is this that we have created? What happened to "hey, that shirt looks good on you," and then that's it. I buy my clothes from the thrift store or from local makers and have only recieved compliments... heh. When they ask what "kind" the shirt/pants are, I tell them I don't know I got it from the thrift store, and their opinions change. This is the sad state of affairs we have let grow into the "norm".
not to mention, control click (right click) brings up a contextual menu to browse all folders files IN that folder, all from the dock. The dock is merely an function filled alias holder.
I have to say, reading all the posts so far, there are far more misconceptions than actual gripes.
Why in the world would a terrorist attempt to get through security that was tight before 9/11 just to blow up an airplane? It would be much easier to get on a bus and do the same thing!
Reinforce the cockpit doors and move on. This discussion is ridiculous. The only reason "terrorists" would even attempt the Herculean feat of getting weapons on an airliner would be to hijack it. Take that ability away by not letting them through the cockpit door. End of fucking story.
This TSA tactic is not to provide safety, but rather a new avenue for gaining information on people, because it can. "You must fear them, we will protect you." Fear breeds consent. The power gained with a fear wracked populace is enormous, and many in power realize this, or are learning. This is just the latest "avenue" for gaining information on more people, nothing more.
...so, I take it the reinforced doors aren't that "reinforced"?
Why do we need more than this? To protect them from the guns that we have placed on the planes on purpose in the form of marshalls? Can a box cutter get through them? If not, then why do they check for them on check in? It seems that if "they" can't get to the controls, and they know it, then why would someone attempt a hijack? Even if the dumbasses did attempt a hijack, the aircraft couldn't be "commandeered" ala not getting to the cockpit, so... If they merely wanted to kill people it seems a plane would be the last place one would try to penetrate. There are far less secure places, always has been. It seems hijacking would be the only reason to take a gun on a plane. So, what then would be the point of this new intrusion on the part of the TSA?
Is this all part of the fantastic ruse to instill fear just a little bit more, or is this just a tactic to gain info on people? It surely doesn't seem that "hijacking" is a credible threat anymore. Make the cockpit secure and you've turned the thing into a flying bus, no more. Let me throught the damn checkout line, please!
...is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time please, PLEASE listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found here. Just do a search for "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" in the search window in the left column. It fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting, and it's quite an eye opener.
...only we haven't found WMD's yet, the tax cuts were nearly exclusively for the rich, he's creating a deficit that will be the largest in history, he'd turn over Roe vs. Wade if he could, and undemocratic jingoism is running rampant.
With regard to Half-Life, it is THE only game that I have envied PC users for. The only one. I use my Mac for gaming and have otherwise been very well fed, thank you very much. Your points are dead on, and it's something that most don't realize. To add, you can't even purchase a Mac without an exceptional graphics card built in. My wife uses it for her design work, I use it for gaming. Frag on.
Ahhh, but to believe Fermi's paradox, don't you also have to believe that we will never travel "seemingly" faster than light, and that we already aren't being visited by intelligent life?
Both of which I do not subscribe to. Some others who may disagree with Fermi.
And for those that wish to toy with probability:
Universe is approx. 12.5 billions years old
our little planet is approx. 4.5 - 5 billions years old, relatively young
and humans have been on this planet for only approx. 200,000 years, far less time than the dinosaurs were around (150 million years compared to human's measly 200 thou). And yet, in that time we have put one of our kind on the moon.
We humans have been around for approx. 0.000016% of the age of the Universe.
Extremophiles: Life arisesmuch easier than previously thought and the idea of life needing Earthlike conditions is quicly being proven false.
Extrasolar planets:
Current numbers show that there should be approx. 100 billion extrasolar planets in this galaxy alone. There are 100 billion galaxies.
All I'm saying is that the simple probability of intelligent life is gaining ground through the ongoing discovery of human knowledge about the universe we reside.
...actually, you would only need an iPod if you wished to listen to the songs with one of those new darn fangled MPwhatever player thingies. But, since your mom most likely doesn't own one, much less one that only plays MP3's, (assuming she even knew what an MP3 was), she would just burn a CD to play in her stereo, car, portable CD player...whatever. Otherwise, she would just listen to her MP4's on her computer using the very same application she used to download the songs.
If she is ever in the market for an MP3 player, I would suspect she could then handle RIPing those CD's she made to create MP3's.
...is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time, listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found on this page. If fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting.
Kent: "Our top story, the population of parasitic tree lizards has exploded, and local citizens couldn't be happier! It seems the rapacious reptiles have developed a taste for the common pigeon, also known as the 'feathered rat', or the 'gutter bird'. For the first time, citizens need not fear harassment by flocks of chattering disease-bags."
Lisa: "But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?"
Skinner: "No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards."
Lisa:"But aren't the snakes even worse?"
Skinner:"Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat."
Lisa:"But then we're stuck with gorillas!"
Skinner:"No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death."
I know, it's not Michelangelo, Donatello, or any of the other TMNT, but I get comments constantly when I use the iTunes visualizer on my plasma at parties while playing music.
There's usually a group pretty amazed by it. Could just be the shrooms, but who knows...
"I'm guessing no--VPC for the G5 is apparently going to be a huge undertaking."
I'm not sure what you are saying I guess, because I'm running VPC 6 on my G5 right now. What is so different about VPC 2004 that would break this? I only ask because it seems the basic VM technology is the same, so why wouldn't it work? From the article: "Our first thoughts on starting this up we found mostly everything to be the same as Connectix's Virtual PC 5.2, with minor changes in the settings/options and the Virtual PC Wizard as well as the Microsoft rebranding."
And, I don't understand why the hardware would have any difference at all in this. In other words, if it works on a G4/G3, it should also work on a G5.
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Word is a word processor, and my Word 98 (not to mention Excel and PPT) reads newer version docs from both platforms just fine. Ease of use would literally mean learning to type, so I'm not sure I understand your argument. Using Word is at times akin to Rocket Science (it is by far the biggest, most un-intuitive piece of bloatware known to mankind in my opinion), but it's still just a word processor.
But, you seem to be missing the point. Would they be singing the end of Apple as soon as Appleites starting missing the new pieces of bloatware that the Windows people are priviledge to? What would be the problem? I have a brother that is still using Office 98 just fine. No problems at all with windows users sending him .docs from new Office versions. This is a 6 year old version, and MS has 2004 for the Mac burning the shelf right now.
Not to mention projects like OpenOffice, iLife (as you mentioned), etc...
No, I think we would be just fine for many many years to come if MS announce tomorrow that 2004 would be the last version. Yes, a PR hit for sure, but for BOTH vendors. Not to mention the loss of a great money maker for MS. Apple's mainstream credibility is just fine. It has the #1 selling mp3 player on the market, OS X, G5's, iLife (unbelievable apps), Safari (fastest browser I use), iTunes (now for PC!), the Music store which is again, the #1 online music store, etc...
No, this Office thing would be just fine in my opinion,
You are incorrect. The .doc (as well as .ppt, .xcl, etc...) has remained the same in readability by all versions of Office, on all platforms for a reason. They wouldn't just stop this functionality. People on the Windows side would be up in arms, literally, let alone the Mac people. Not to mention, Office 2004 is already done for the Mac.
.doc's readable by only their "new version". That's just silly. It makes no sense. It never has, that't why they haven't yet, through all these years...
Therefore, I would suspect it would be several years, at LEAST before Mac users felt the pinch. Especially considering that the only thing they would be most likely missing is just a little more bloat to the biggest piece of bloatware I'm aware of.
They wouldn't make
As far as I know, .docs created using Office 98 are still translatable to all post version on both platforms. This is a 6 year old app. So, if they stopped tomorrow how long would it be before Mac users REALLY felt the pinch?
Electronic voting is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time please, PLEASE listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found here. Just do a search for "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" in the search window in the left column. It fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting, and it's quite an eye opener. Good luck.
Nail on the head.
People far, far too often equate "different" with "faulty" without realizing that it's the differences that do more to fulfill the potential of the human spirit than anything else we know of.
We would be wise to realize this. There is enormous strength in diversity that many people seem not to realize. We should celebrate and encourage diversity in all things. Instead, we are bred to judge and categorize. Watch TV for an hour and tell me how many perfect men and women you see. Literally "one in a million" actors portraying a "lifestyle" that you now need to have, etc... it's all quite maddening to watch and to realize that there are vast numbers of people who spend their lives attempting to fulfill those "fantasies" to the great delight of the corporation making those commercials, TV shows, etc... They create a want, and then sell it to you. It's the same as it has been forever, they are just masters with window to your living room now, able to form world views by the millions.
People need to wake up. Differences equal strength. Conformity is good for business, bad for the human spirit and its potential.
Artistic endevour vs. power/money. Of course, we can have both, but you have to realize that power/money will end up winning, as it is right now. You see, it breeds the power. With that power they want more of it, more control, more money, more "power", more conformity, more creating wants that are unatainable, etc... exit diversity and artistic endevour. It's unprofitable. It's ROI is unnattractive.
When I tell people I'm happy with my 6 year old car that doesn't even have a CD player (gasp!), they wonder what is "wrong" with me (GM execs start high fiving each other from their plants in Mexico as their "minions" take to the battle). They say, "come on, buy a new car already! That one is ugly, old, and you have to use one of those silly tape convertors to use your CD player". I usually just say I use the convertor for my iPod instead, but no matter. My clothes aren't cool unless they see the designer's tag to make SURE it's cool (looks aren't everything, you see, it's how much you SPENT on it). What kind of f'd up world is this that we have created? What happened to "hey, that shirt looks good on you," and then that's it. I buy my clothes from the thrift store or from local makers and have only recieved compliments... heh. When they ask what "kind" the shirt/pants are, I tell them I don't know I got it from the thrift store, and their opinions change. This is the sad state of affairs we have let grow into the "norm".
Different=faulty
Shame on us.
but... you can walk on to a bus with a grenade launcher if you really wanted to...
not to mention, control click (right click) brings up a contextual menu to browse all folders files IN that folder, all from the dock. The dock is merely an function filled alias holder.
I have to say, reading all the posts so far, there are far more misconceptions than actual gripes.
Why in the world would a terrorist attempt to get through security that was tight before 9/11 just to blow up an airplane? It would be much easier to get on a bus and do the same thing!
Reinforce the cockpit doors and move on. This discussion is ridiculous. The only reason "terrorists" would even attempt the Herculean feat of getting weapons on an airliner would be to hijack it. Take that ability away by not letting them through the cockpit door. End of fucking story.
This TSA tactic is not to provide safety, but rather a new avenue for gaining information on people, because it can. "You must fear them, we will protect you." Fear breeds consent. The power gained with a fear wracked populace is enormous, and many in power realize this, or are learning. This is just the latest "avenue" for gaining information on more people, nothing more.
"...and anywhere I need to reach in North America, I can do so with my car.
Shhhhh!!! The "terrorists" might read this!!!
...so, I take it the reinforced doors aren't that "reinforced"?
Why do we need more than this? To protect them from the guns that we have placed on the planes on purpose in the form of marshalls? Can a box cutter get through them? If not, then why do they check for them on check in? It seems that if "they" can't get to the controls, and they know it, then why would someone attempt a hijack? Even if the dumbasses did attempt a hijack, the aircraft couldn't be "commandeered" ala not getting to the cockpit, so... If they merely wanted to kill people it seems a plane would be the last place one would try to penetrate. There are far less secure places, always has been. It seems hijacking would be the only reason to take a gun on a plane. So, what then would be the point of this new intrusion on the part of the TSA?
Is this all part of the fantastic ruse to instill fear just a little bit more, or is this just a tactic to gain info on people? It surely doesn't seem that "hijacking" is a credible threat anymore. Make the cockpit secure and you've turned the thing into a flying bus, no more. Let me throught the damn checkout line, please!
...is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time please, PLEASE listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found here. Just do a search for "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" in the search window in the left column. It fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting, and it's quite an eye opener.
Good luck.
It's actually worse than that, but I'll let the above stand.
The point may be this, question everything because slight of hand rules the day with the Bushies.
Good luck.
...only we haven't found WMD's yet, the tax cuts were nearly exclusively for the rich, he's creating a deficit that will be the largest in history, he'd turn over Roe vs. Wade if he could, and undemocratic jingoism is running rampant.
Otherwise, your were right on target...
I apologize, I just have to ditto the above.
With regard to Half-Life, it is THE only game that I have envied PC users for. The only one. I use my Mac for gaming and have otherwise been very well fed, thank you very much. Your points are dead on, and it's something that most don't realize. To add, you can't even purchase a Mac without an exceptional graphics card built in. My wife uses it for her design work, I use it for gaming. Frag on.
You don't have to use Apple's LCD monitors. I'm using a very old 20" Radius on my G5 out of the box (ships with a DVI to VGA adapter too).
You can use other 802.11 devices with different feature sets that will be cheaper.
Macs aren't that expensive, they simply don't sell "low end" computers. We've beaten this horse to it's quarks several times here on
But, the software is the #1 mac purchasing carrot, if you will.
Ahhh, but to believe Fermi's paradox, don't you also have to believe that we will never travel "seemingly" faster than light, and that we already aren't being visited by intelligent life?
Both of which I do not subscribe to.
Some others who may disagree with Fermi.
And for those that wish to toy with probability:
Universe is approx. 12.5 billions years old
our little planet is approx. 4.5 - 5 billions years old, relatively young
and humans have been on this planet for only approx. 200,000 years, far less time than the dinosaurs were around (150 million years compared to human's measly 200 thou). And yet, in that time we have put one of our kind on the moon.
We humans have been around for approx. 0.000016% of the age of the Universe.
Extremophiles: Life arises much easier than previously thought and the idea of life needing Earthlike conditions is quicly being proven false.
Extrasolar planets:
Current numbers show that there should be approx. 100 billion extrasolar planets in this galaxy alone. There are 100 billion galaxies.
All I'm saying is that the simple probability of intelligent life is gaining ground through the ongoing discovery of human knowledge about the universe we reside.
If she is ever in the market for an MP3 player, I would suspect she could then handle RIPing those CD's she made to create MP3's.
Again, using the very same application she used to download them.
...actually, you would only need an iPod if you wished to listen to the songs with one of those new darn fangled MPwhatever player thingies. But, since your mom most likely doesn't own one, much less one that only plays MP3's, (assuming she even knew what an MP3 was), she would just burn a CD to play in her stereo, car, portable CD player...whatever. Otherwise, she would just listen to her MP4's on her computer using the very same application she used to download the songs.
If she is ever in the market for an MP3 player, I would suspect she could then handle RIPing those CD's she made to create MP3's.
...is ill-fated on many levels. If you have the time, listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found on this page. If fills many gaps as far as understanding the fundamental "problems" with e-voting.
Just listen to "The Annoying Gap Between Theory and Practice" audio found on this page.
My no to the question asked at the end couldn't be bold enough.
Kent: "Our top story, the population of parasitic tree lizards has exploded, and local citizens couldn't be happier! It seems the rapacious reptiles have developed a taste for the common pigeon, also known as the 'feathered rat', or the 'gutter bird'. For the first time, citizens need not fear harassment by flocks of chattering disease-bags."
Lisa: "But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?"
Skinner: "No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards."
Lisa:"But aren't the snakes even worse?"
Skinner:"Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat."
Lisa:"But then we're stuck with gorillas!"
Skinner:"No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death."
I know, it's not Michelangelo, Donatello, or any of the other TMNT, but I get comments constantly when I use the iTunes visualizer on my plasma at parties while playing music.
There's usually a group pretty amazed by it. Could just be the shrooms, but who knows...
Ahh, thanks for the link. Very much appreciated.
"I'm guessing no--VPC for the G5 is apparently going to be a huge undertaking."
I'm not sure what you are saying I guess, because I'm running VPC 6 on my G5 right now. What is so different about VPC 2004 that would break this? I only ask because it seems the basic VM technology is the same, so why wouldn't it work? From the article: "Our first thoughts on starting this up we found mostly everything to be the same as Connectix's Virtual PC 5.2, with minor changes in the settings/options and the Virtual PC Wizard as well as the Microsoft rebranding."
And, I don't understand why the hardware would have any difference at all in this. In other words, if it works on a G4/G3, it should also work on a G5.
Anyway, seriously just curious... thanks.