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Digital Art For Your Wall-Mounted TV
Makarand writes "According to the San Francisco Chronicle, if you own a plasma or LCD TV hanging on your wall, you
could display high-definition video reproductions of famous paintings on your TV
screen after watching your favorite sitcoms. Companies have begun selling devices that can
display the work of world-famous artists and photographers on your TV screens. The art is stored on removable flash memory cards (sold
separately) and is displayed onto high-definition TVs by
electronics that cost around $500."
Lame
You could hook your computer up to your tv, and use a slideshow with things you probably already own!!!
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Plasma can draw up to 600 watts power.
Backlit LCDs or OLEDs would have to be the way to go.
I guess if you've shelled out $3k (more like $5-10k) for a freakin' television, another $500 isn't much more of a bite.
But for crying out loud, I could buy an entire collection of truly fine art for less than $500, and still have enough left over for the kids' room!
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
... and I can get a poster of a Van Gogh for $15, right down the street.
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also just use a 200$ computer and roll the code yourself. its pretty simple todo with opengl and a tvout card.
$500 seems a bit much for something so trivial. Hell you could use a modded xbox for less.
That's so ...90's man.
I hear sony's come with the memory stick reader built in for digital picture viewing.
$500 for displaying pictures seems like kind of a waste.
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$500 seems insanly over-priced for this sort of thing. Most dvd players i know of will play picture discs burnded with jpgs, how is this better?
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and install the Matrix screensaver on them. :P
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Coming next: artful lawn decorations that can be tastefully arranged around the broken-down pickup in your front lawn to make it look as if you put said pickup truck there on purpose.
I'm sure that will work too.
If a picture is displayed for too long on some of these Tvs then the picture becomes permanently engraved into the screen.
Yes, I like to put up Van Gogh on the wall, as soon as Joe Millionaire is over....
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But plasma televisions have severe burn-in issues. If this is something you'd regularly do, it seems like the quickest way to turn your $8000 big screen into a $20 art print with lower resolution and a cheap-looking plastic frame.
Not to mention that power dissipation/efficiency of plasma televisions is not -wonderful-.
I've seen plasma burn-in (see "reason screen savers were invented:") on a $15k plasma TV. I'm not so sure that putting a static image on a plasma screen is anything short of lunacy.
This reminds me of the Digital Picture Frame that I read about in Popular Science a while ago. Seems like a really neat idea, showing changing digital pictures in a picture frame-styled LCD screen. It's too bad they're so expensive - you could buy your own 14" LCD screen and show a screensaver on it for the price they want.
Plasma displays are terrible about burn-in. I think this is a horrible idea. If you want a high resolution image of a famous painting, just get one on paper. It would probably look better too.
-Matt
don't they come with xscreensaver?
I've been doing something like this for a year. Got an old banger laptop for $25, pulled out the guts and hot-glue-gunned them inside a $5 shadow box from Wal-Mart. Looks great. Works off Memory Sticks.
Got the idea when I saw a professional version of this on sale at Hammacher Schlemmer for $300, and realized I wanted it, but could never justify that expense.
It's not as large, and certainly not high-definition, but it uses less electricity, and I can put whatever pictures on it I want.
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And if you attach a webcam with some facial-recognition software, you could set it up to display visitor's favourite artists when they enter the room! :)
Sony's XBR and WEGA TVs have Memory Stick slots and supporting hardware which means you can put up jpegs of what you consider to be great art.
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I've not seen any numbers at all, but I'm not sure I'd like to just leave a $5,000 piece of equipment with a static picture while I'm not actually using it. Apparently burn-in isn't a problem in these, but just normal wear-and-tear might come into play. Again, I don't know particularly well how these work, but wouldn't leaving it on while not in active use cut its lifespan significantly?
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first of all... most plasma TV frames make a bad frame for such pictures! a suitable frame is more important than most people think and can totally spoil an otherwise great picture.
Then, whatever TV that'd use this, it better have an effective anti-burn technology; otherwise a static picture would leave residual images and damage the expensive gadget.
Why pay $500 for a TV rendered image when you can buy posters for $5.
... it would have provided a constant view of Earth from space. While it was poohed by many as a propaganda excercise, it could have served to raise awareness of environmental and science issues in a way that weather satellite images don't.
I'd love to have a device like this on the plasma TV I want to get some years from now, constantly showing an out-the-window video feed of the Earth from the ISS. I'll never go to space in my lifetime, but I can at least have an imaginary window on the heavens.
It would not be that hard to set up a server that would update the image every so often, and then set up a cronjob or equivalent software to retrieve the new image every X seconds, and put it up on the screen.
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Not that I'm a big fan of the movie, but wasn't that what Tim Robbins' character had on his wall? Famous paintings on the screen with fading transitions, but then again, I haven't seen it in awhile...
AFAIK
Certain museums have licenced the digital rights to the master works. Proving once and for all the 100 years after death of the author copyright term is bogus and the real answer is infinte. It will soon approach infinte mass and a singularity will be create sucking all the money from everyone. Particularly since we're all assumed copyright thieves anyways.
I'd rather turn my TV off thank you.
If feel bad enough as it is just leaving my PC on...
If they could figure out an RFID piece for this, this could possibly save many marriage squabbles. "Dogs Playing Poker" when he's in the room, and Anne Geddes photos when she's in the room. Just hope they're not in the room at the same time, or you might get fat kids in dog costumes playing poker.
Otherwise i can see burn in being a problem, i don't know how much they've solved that problem, also plasma TVs are(maybe now were?) relativly short lived, and i think leaving it on 24/7 would be a bad idea. This seems like it would be better suited for a display technology that only requires current to change state, electronic inks are like this, and i'm not sure, someone verify or correct me, but OLEDs are too.
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You could just grab an inexpensive print and maybe, I don't know, just turn the tv off when you're not watching.
(Or you can do something like what I saw on an episode of Monster House. They had a plasma tv set inside a picture frame that can house a print on an automatic roller that will roll up the print like a window shade when you turn the tv on. Great geek project.)
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I just bought a 32" LCD HDTV and even I think this is stupid expensive.
Even an ancient Packard Bell computer can output a 1280x768 image to an HDTV. Heck, an old Palm Pilot with one of the Presenter-to-go dongles can put out enough pixels for still images!
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Digital art for hi-def TVs...interesting.
No wait, the other thing - tedious.
You are absolutely right... I had the same first thought cross my mind. I'm waiting on getting one because many of the channels I watch have those annoying little logos that burn the crap out of plasma...
If some of you don't buy this, just google "plasma burn-in"
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Plasma TVs are especially prone to burn-in problems. Having a static image on the screen for many hours may cause problems. They may have fixed this with newer versions of the displays, but I've seen some Plasma TV's at the airport with horrendous burn in (screen was unusable).
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Im really not trying to troll here but big deal!? a screen that can display things, whats new? this could have been done 50 years ago with a tv screen linked to a camera pointing at a slide. True it would have cost loads but so does this - not to mention the cost of buying a new plasma screen when the old one gets burn-in. The product is entirely aimed at people with lots of money, its not in the slightest bit amazing or cool! If the whole set-up including screen and and reader cost $50 and was the thickness of a picture frame and had a network connection and used a tiny amount of power _then_ it would be cool, but as it is anyone could have done this, even a non-engineer could have thought of something like connecting their computers tv-out to the screen and putting a desktop background up, please someone explain how this is innovative or interesting?
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Several companies already have these:i sion.htm d is k_dpv.html
http://www.delkin.com/news/press/Picturev
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/san
etc.
These don't have HDTV outputs, but that shouldn't run the price from $80 to $500.
I don't know if it is the same product, but you can view something similar in the Clift Hotel's lounge (in SF). Each "print" is displayed for a few minutes before changing to a diferent "print" (Klimt last time I was in there), So each "print" rotates through the various screens. They look quite nice, and this probably prevents burn-in.
Drinks are expensive, though.
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Hasn't Bill Gates been busy buying up the rights to electronically reproduce works of art through his company Corbis?
Are you serious? That's more than a CRT television! I hereby nominate this for the California Rolling Blackout Wise Use of Electricity Award.
This seems like a great idea -- especially for galleries struggling to keep up with the latest artworks. They could own the service, and rotate in hundreds if not thousands of images for viewers in a contemporary wing, instead of just displaying one or two "originals" -- and what would that be exactly, if the works are digital to begin with?
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In with my newspaper last week there was a catalogue called "Expert Verdict - A World Of Innovations".
They sell a device that sounds like it would do this: Digital Card Media Player for 99.95 UKP.
- Brian
I having sticker shock. For That kind of coin you can slap together a Mini-ITX machine with a DVI port and do a hell of a lot more than display stills. And after having had access to a plasma display I have no desire to own one. They get burn in a matter of hours, making them pretty much useless for home video. (Almost all available content has black bars somewhere.)
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It's a screen saver. For TVs.
Wow. Revolutionary.
What's the patent number?
Information wants to be free--here it's still a matter of purchasing information. There's also a system that rolls a physical piece of paper over your screen when you turn it off. Just purchase an original and use that.
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Wait until the copyright whackjobs get wind of this. A good new service for Apple though - iMasterpiece.
Now if we could just get some Hi-Res Webcams you could replace all the windows in your home with Digital Windows. Think of all the energy you could save with no glass windows. Your home could be more secure from weather and break-ins as well.
BTW yes I am mostly kidding. People have talked about using the digital ink that always seems right around the corner to make digital walls that you could use as giant screens and or change the color of your walls with a remote. It seems to me as a strange waist of resources when there are people in the world that need food, medical care, and books. But then so is slashdot. What a strange breed we humans are.
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Ok, so most plasma screens have bad burn in tendencies, but I thought that wasn't an issue on LCDs and can't you have wall-mounted High-Def LCD TVs?
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... wouldn't it preferable to look at a mirror reflection instead?
... you, they've got that feng shui thing going for them. Digital images, on the other hand, while sometimes looking better than Real Life, lack a certain warmth and can leave you unsatisfied.
Don't remember how it was being done, but I recall reading an article a month or two back about how a major hotel chain installed (or was in the process of installing) wall-mounted screens that would resemble mirrors until the screen was powered on.
I don't believe anyone objects to mirrors, do they? Aside from giving you, well
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My dvd player will slideshow through jpegs on a cd or dvd. If I want a "screen saver" for my tv, I'll just let my little dvd player handle it. For the price of a blank disc I can go through hundreds or thousands of pictures.
i just have to pop in a 10 dollar memory stick.
this sort of technology shouldnt cost 500 dollars.
This has been over at mini-itx for a while now...
Seems a lot cheaper to me.
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People who complained about the $500 setup probably never got down to the section quoted below....
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I have an HTPC hooked up to a HiDef LCD projector. I would love to have a screensaver-like app, or just video files to have great works projected on my screen. However, I'm not about to buy yet another device to do so. Apparently Steve and I are the only ones taking the whole "digital hub" thing seriously.
This guy has a detailed tutorial on how to do this with an old powerbook duo
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I'm just waiting until I get mine from ebay!
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The National Gallery in London has a exhibition on Plasma Screen art on at the moment.l _viola/default.htm
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/bil
OK, it can do art but... ...can it display flying toasters?
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...plasma TVs use quite a bit of power...
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Plasma suffers from burn-in. Unless you want the art to be perm on your plasma monitor I suggest you do not do this. LCD will not suffer from burn-in.
Yes, we do get a substantial number of people interested in doing this, and running our beautiful 3D screensavers on a 40-something inch LCD or plasma display looks absolutely amazing. We did a display at SIGGRAPH and at a party here in New York recently, and people can't help staring. If you already have the display, we can set it up for you on a stock small-form-factor PC (our installation work is all custom to-order, so drop us a line), or feel free to roll your own with our 20 dollar screen toy/screensaver.
could charge upwards of $200 per month for digital collections of art by painters that have been dead for hundreds of years.
What moron decided on custom $3000 boxes to serve media instead of and off-the-shelf DVD player with scripted DVDs? For 1/10th of the price, you could sell a nearly identical version of this at Best Buy. Thousands of historical paintings, licensed modern works or 10 min vid clips of easily obtainable things like the ocean, forests or everyone's favorite fish tanks.
Personally, I would just download JPGs and MPGs of whatever I want and play it on my $40 DVD player that reads regular files off any burned CDR or DVD-R.
It's part of the sound system, or perhaps the digital art viewer, but not a bloody gamecube! No. It's just wrong.
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This is so never going to fly. If art can be digital, and you can plug this thing in to a computer... all sorts of people will compete without the $500 gizmo.
I could see your local art galleries offering this service for a fee and to advertise their upcoming and current shows. Many will be only too happy to broadcast their images for free.
Anyone else find it amusing that Bill Gates is financing a company (Corbis) that seeks to make money selling what others will give away for free?
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I just wanted to sum up some things that popped in my head as potential problems with this scenario, and why I think it will fail badly:
1) Multiple thousand dollar equipment, easily breakable and STEALABLE in PUBLIC places.
2) High month-to-month costs.
3) Plasma burn-in/wear and tear.
4) Why replace something you could buy for $100-$1000 potentially (prints, etc.) that will last practically FOREVER, with something this expensive, that will NOT last very long.
5) Power consumption - some of these monitors consume a CRAP load of electricity.
6) Cheaper and easier alternatives. Why buy this proprietary crap, when you can easily, and for MUCH Less set up your own system to display images / screensavers / whatever you want.
Just my thoughts. Some of these are in the posts before, but some of them aren't.
Any ideas or refutations on these?
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Plasma screens have to be much brighter then LCD monitors. While LCD monitors use less power then a conventional TV (or monitor), large format Plasmas chew up way more electrons.
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LCD and especially Plasmas suffer TERRIBLE burn-in problems. Also, 95% of the Plasma sets on the market are NOT high-definition; they can't even display the 720x1280 format used by HD 720P. For example NONE of the plasmas at my local "CostCo" are more han 820 pixels accros, yet consumer buy them thinking they're getting HD!
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Exactly. For $500 you could buy a decent digital camera, and make your own works of art, and with a $150 TV out card, display them to your Plasma TV from your computer.
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This story reminds me a project I've had on the backburner for a few months. I have four 14in. LCD screens that I got for super cheap, and instead of selling them, I wanted to make a display grid. I'd like to be able to control the displays of all four from a single computer, and ideally I'd like to have all four be able to function as a single display. I only want to display revolving static images on them/it.
I have a spare computer that could be used for this if I could only find a suitable video display device to make them act as a grid. This computer currently has XP and RedHat 8 installed.
Obviously, I don't know much in this area; I can't even get Google to return any meaningful results. Any recommendations are much appreciated. Thanks.
Let's see...
$3000 for a "computer" needed to display these images, and $70 for the "art pack" with the images on
or...
$10 to 20 for a second hand Dreamcast
$0.20 for a blank CD
$0 for your favourite freeware Dreamcast image viewer
$0 for some downloaded pics from the 'net
Sooooo.... $3070 for what I can just as easily do for $20 - and I get a choice of which images I have, rather than being stuck with whatever they choose to put on their art packs..
When can I buy one?
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I'm just thinking of how cool it would be to have the TV signal run in a picture-in-picture window with art works displaying during commercials. Its no commerical skip, but at least I could ignore them with pretty pictures.
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I know, it's not Michelangelo, Donatello, or any of the other TMNT, but I get comments constantly when I use the iTunes visualizer on my plasma at parties while playing music.
There's usually a group pretty amazed by it. Could just be the shrooms, but who knows...
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It was called "Picture Picture" by its owner, Mr. Rogers. :-)
and you could just burn a CD-R full of jpegs of fine art and throw it in the dvd player...
My $50 mintek DVD Player will do that
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How is the $500 device any better than this $49 device from SanDisk....?
A simple picture VCD that plays in your DVD Player?? Seems like a whole lot simpler to burn off a picture CD than to deal with all that extra hardware.
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Seriously. I was looking at $3000 - $5000 flat TVs in the 40" range. I ended up going with a projector based on a friends recommendation, and now I will never go back to lame-o screen-based displays. $1000 for http://www.projectorpeople.com/hometheater/projdtl s.asp?itemid=1144&itmname=InFocus+X1low end projector and now I've got a home theater to die for. Screw plasma - I've now got a 120" TV which disappears when not in use! Plus it's smaller (about the size of a thick hardcover book) and lighter (~6 lbs).
Mount it on the ceiling and the thing takes up literraly no space in your living room (well, you do have to leave one wall blank of decorations). The picture is gorgeous and can be used for TV, DVDs, and video game consoles. Heck, it's got a VGA port too, I could bring out a laptop and plug it in to watch xmms visualization plugins.
The only downsides are that it has no sound built in (that's okay, I prefer running it through my stereo better), and doing the ceiling mount was a bit more effort than just plunking down a TV or hanging a flatscreen on the wall.
I highly recommend a projector - not this specific model, pretty much any one will do (though DLP seems like a better choice for watching TV than an LCD based projector, which most of the expensive ones are).
Surely I am not the only one to remember that Gates has a private company through which he started buying up the digital rights to the world's great art, years ago?
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didn't they have a similar invention in Back to the Future 2?
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For $500, you can turn your $5,000 TV into a $5 poster.
Oh good god, I hope a greedy lawyer DOESN'T get enough people together to form a class action. The last thing TV needs is more obnoxious bouncing logos flying all over the screen randomly.
Then again, the whole "media bias" and 18 minutes of advertising every hour. I think whatever happens to tv that causes more uneducated Joe Blows to get pissed off and stop watching the better.
Here's a problem that even Bill Gates thought of when designing his new home - the TV screen will PROJECT light out and the actual painting will REFLECT it.
Doesn't Bill Gates something like that?
...is still an issue with Plasma TV's, however LCD Panel, LCD Projection, DLP, and LCOS are immune to the pitfalls of Screen Burn In.
Based on my dad's experience with Plasma screens they seem to give up the ghost on average about once every 8 months. And that's bolted to a brick wall, not being bounced up and down in a Humvee. They are phenomenally noisy compared to pretty much any other display technology (even projectors). Unless the technology improves dramatically a plasma screen is not even going to make it into my living room, let alone a tank.
I think this was partly mentioned earlier, but I would like to repeat it. Plasma technology is not very well suited for this use. Static pictures will create burn-in patterns and basically destroy the screens very quickly. To be honest, I don't think plasma screen technology is very useful for much at all. They consume much more energy than LCD's or CRT's. They are stated to have a lifetime of thousands of hours, however, I have seen how fast they deteriorate. I would guess that the picture is losing sharpness and brightness noticeably after just a couple of thousand hours. The per-minute cost of using these devices is in other words high.
Newer LCD's would be much better suited for these applications. New LCD technology have a much wider angle of view than older LCD's, consume a lot less power, and lasts a lot longer (only panels, not projectors). For high-brightness applications I would suggest a DLP projector DLP is the future!
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I use the term art loosely. But these things were featured in the movie Antitrust, the Bill Gatesish character had a couple of them. But they were set up to recognize when specific people enters the room, and displays something from their favourite collection of art.
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Most great art is in public museums. You would think that having someone with a decent digital camera to take a picture and stick it online would be a low cost way of sharing these images.
I thought the whole point of publicly funded museums was to allow public access to great art.
I would expect to find a vast library of high quality free art online. High resolution jpeg's of great artists work should be freely available.
However, so far I have not come across a decent collection. Any links ?
Also, most great art is out of copyright. If someone took a picture of it, then it could be distributed freely without any hindrence.
So, what exactly does Corbis own, and how does it own it ?
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With this, the device becomes truly useful
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Two friends of mine helped found Eyetide, and created a Win32 screen saver that rotated pictures, aquired from Nascar, Standford University, Life Magaizine, and so many other brilliant or interesting photos.
Nascar is given as an example of photos that could be put on the plasma screens because Eyetide proved Nascar screen savers could be done, and were popular. Ibid MLB, NCAA Football, major movie releases, super models, and so many more packages.
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I have searched and found there are a number of them on the net. And you don't have to get pr0n if you search for "fine art"!
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