I'm so sorry that your penis advertisements won't be allowed under the law. This has nothing to do with censorship. It has to do with my right to say "No, I don't want that asshole shoving his penis advertisements into my mailbox on my dime."
I hate spam but I'll fight for your right to send it.
And I hate you, because you, like the spammers, are trying to ruin email. I don't care what you do with your mailbox or your bandwidth - as long as you leave my mailbox and my bandwidth alone.
I'm not recommending or endorsing any of these, but here are some links. Check these out before signing up - some have been known to send spam themselves. I'm sure there are others available also. Personally, I use mailwasher, a free piece of software that helps sort the junk from the real mail, primarily by using whitelists.
Any company I've done business with in the past three years? Does that mean that old gas station I stopped at in the middle of Kansas once is going to send me e-flyers?
Did you give them an email address? If you did, you can expect them to use it. If you didn't, then they aren't likely to email you.
Nonsense. Spam is unsolicited bulk email. I don't care if it's commercial, political, from a mom with a missing child, or just inane garbage typed by monkeys. It's true that most spam is commercial, but I've seen spam with other goals, and it's still spam.
Regardless, the KKK idiot isn't worth your time, or mine, and I'd recommend ignoring him.
I would like to point out that if you don't know how to use WhoIs, you shouldn't claim nonsense like "SPAMHAUS.ORG does NOT list any valid contact info."
To me, the "can a computer beat a person at chess" isn't important. I'm not interested in competing against the computer. I'm interested in what I can do *with* the computer.
Teamwork. Man creates tools to help reach goals. As time moves along, those tools get more complicated. We started with rocks and clubs and sticks, moved to bows and arrows in order to hunt, and things continue to develop. The tools change our world. (Where would we be without the wheel? The cotton gin? Combustion engines? Electricity?) The ability to play chess doesn't make a computer intelligent - but the ability to create a computer that plays top notch chess means that our tools have developed another step.
Obviously you don't play chess. When you touch a piece, you have to move it. That is a rule. You can't touch a bunch of pieces to see what reaction you get and then choose your move.
Thief was the first game that made me feel that sound was a requirement, not just a bonus. Many games use sound to add to the feel of the game, but in thief, it's necessary, because you have to be able to tell how much noise you are making, and you have to be able to hear the guards walking down the hall.
I also enjoyed the fact that while in most games brute force pay off, in Thief, it is usually (not always) your worst option.
There are tools that do that already. Google for "webpoison" or "wpoison" and you'll find lots of them.
But that doesn't really help. Spammers don't care if they have 500,000 garbage addresses in their list of 2 million, because they plan to use someone elses bandwidth when they send the mail, and they are giving false "From:" info so the bounces go to someone else. The undeliverables don't bother them at all.
anyway, the way it sounds is that they are being sued because they sell products/list information that people use to stop the flow of "crap" from these companies. From what I read, they didnt attack these companies, they didnt DoS them, they merely provided tools that people could use to stop spammers from contacting them.
Point: SPEWS doesn't sell anything. You couldn't buy from them if you wanted to. They publish a list of IP's which they believe either send spam, or support spam. They tell you up front that if you use that list to block mail connections, you will have collarteral damage. Any ISP that uses that list, uses it by choice.
The spammers are just whining. No big deal - that happens all the time.
I think its time we all lean on the refresh button, if you get my point...
And how is that going to harm the spammer? There isn't a web page. They registered the URL on 16-Jan-03, (probably for the purpose of this lawsuit, though I don't see how that helps them) and GoDaddy is simply showing a placeholder. DoSing GoDaddy isn't going to harm the spammer. If you're going to bother with something like that, at least aim at the correct target.
Attempt to do a WhoIs on via GoDaddy on
any of their customers, and that page
pops up. Their goal is to keep spammers
from running scripts to harvest email
addresses from website owners.
Despite the fact that the scam artists
who filed this lawsuit registered their
domain with GoDaddy, GoDaddy has a
very good reputation in spam fighting
circles. They will actually shut down
a spammers website if they are convinced
that it's justified (ie, if the website is
being spamvertised.)
The slashdot effect wouldn't really be that hard to fix. A webserver that is getting overrun by requests shouldn't try to fill them all. It should have "friends" (other webservers which it has agreements with) which it sends mirrors to.
When the flood comes, it sends the mirrors, and then simply forwards the rest of the requests to them, thus spreading the load.
No, I don't know of any system that does this automatically now. That doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm certain that I could write one - it's just not that hard.
This can't happen. Microsoft will not embrace new standards that they don't control. It's just not how they operate. Without support form Redmond, nothing will happen.
MS doesn't control the net. And if a system that allows people to communicate via email without the problems we have now were to come about, any programmer interested could write an email program for Windows. Eudora would proably be glad to jump on it. If MS doesn't play along, they'll have nobody using Outlook and OE anymore, because almost universally, people hate spam.
The writer, Larry Seltzer, complains about spammers abusing his account, and yet his online publisher sticks a link to his email address right at the bottom of everything he writes. I would suggest that if he wants to reduce the flow of junk to his inbox, he start with his own managers.
I put an email address on my website. Many businesses do. You seem to believe that you should have to hide from the spammers, but IMO, that's one of the prices we are already paying due to spam.
You shouldn't have to hide your address. That makes the net less useful, not more useful. If an old friend finds my website, or someone wants to hire me, or someone with the same hobby I have wants to write me, they should be able to do that. That sort of thing is part of why I have an email address.
>Instead they think somehow getting laws
>passed is going to miraculously stop spam.
No, laws won't stop spam. However, laws will keep a large number of people from using it. Laws don't stop rape or theft, either. Would you propose that we get rid of those laws?
Spam, if we don't stop it, will ruin email as a means of communications. I don't want that to happen.
Rebates are intentionally designed and run as a scam. The companies who use rebates know that most people will not send in for the rebates, and they design the process to make it as difficult as possible (in some cases, impossible) to fill out the rebate card (you did remember to ask for a rebate card when you made your purchase, right?) correctly. They usually require the original receipt, which is a problem if you have purchased more than one rebate item at a time.
Once you've hunted down the information, filled out the card, and sent it in, you can expect a long wait - at best. They want that money in their bank as long as possible.
Many of the companies running rebates seem to have a problem in tracking them. We've all either experienced it, or heard stories from friends, about calling months after sending the rebate form in and being told "We have no record of it." Of course not - why would scam artists keep records that said they owed us money?
Even in the few occassions where you get your money back, you've saved a little money, but you've gone to a lot of trouble, and you've given them your name, address, phone #, email address, etc. Marketers must think that's a great thing. But for those of us who are tired of telemarketers, junk mail, and spam, it sucks.
I quit buying anything based on a rebate a couple of years ago. I'm convinced that any company who uses that form of marketing is essentially dishonest, and I'd prefer to do business with honest companies.
Slashdot Mirror
Obviously, I don't.
I'm so sorry that your penis advertisements won't be allowed under the law. This has nothing to do with censorship. It has to do with my right to say "No, I don't want that asshole shoving his penis advertisements into my mailbox on my dime."
But spam lovers like you will never get that.
And I hate you, because you, like the spammers, are trying to ruin email. I don't care what you do with your mailbox or your bandwidth - as long as you leave my mailbox and my bandwidth alone.
http://www.mymailsafe.co.uk/design/
http://www.mailblocks.com/login.htm
http://spamarrest.com/
http://www.spamstopshere.com/
http://www.mailwasher.net/
Where have you been? There are numerous ways to run whitelist only email accounts. You make it sound like they are impossible to find.
The EFF is a trusted party? Not to me. The EFF is pro spam. That makes them the enemy, as far as I'm concerned. See the link for details.
http://www.eff.org/Spam_cybersquatting_abuse/Spamm ing/position_on_junk_email.html
Did you give them an email address? If you did, you can expect them to use it. If you didn't, then they aren't likely to email you.
Nonsense. Spam is unsolicited bulk email. I don't care if it's commercial, political, from a mom with a missing child, or just inane garbage typed by monkeys. It's true that most spam is commercial, but I've seen spam with other goals, and it's still spam.
Regardless, the KKK idiot isn't worth your time, or mine, and I'd recommend ignoring him.
See http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=SPAMH AUS.ORG&x=40&y=15
Where you will find the following.
domain: spamhaus.org status: production origin-c: abuse@spamhaus.org#3 organization: The Spamhaus Project owner: Steve Linford email: abuse@spamhaus.org#3 title: Director address: The Spamhaus Project address: The Phoenix city: Taggs Island state: Private Island postal-code: TW12 2HA country: GB admin-c: security@europe.spamhaus.org#0 tech-c: security@europe.spamhaus.org#0 billing-c: security@europe.spamhaus.org#0 nserver: dns2.ultradesign.net 193.115.218.2 nserver: amethyst.nstc.com nserver: ns1.havenco.net nserver: ns1.simkin.ca nserver: bos.nameserver.net registrar: JORE-1 created: 1999-10-01 07:03:57 UTC NSI modified: 2003-04-23 21:43:51 UTC JORE-1 expires: 2004-10-01 07:03:57 UTC source: joker.com
Yes, a legal fund has been set up at http://www.spamcon.org/legalfund/
The fact that you post nonsense doesn't make it true.
Teamwork. Man creates tools to help reach goals. As time moves along, those tools get more complicated. We started with rocks and clubs and sticks, moved to bows and arrows in order to hunt, and things continue to develop. The tools change our world. (Where would we be without the wheel? The cotton gin? Combustion engines? Electricity?) The ability to play chess doesn't make a computer intelligent - but the ability to create a computer that plays top notch chess means that our tools have developed another step.
You, I would say, aren't really that smart.
I also enjoyed the fact that while in most games brute force pay off, in Thief, it is usually (not always) your worst option.
I'd recommend it to anyone that hasn't tried it.
But that doesn't really help. Spammers don't care if they have 500,000 garbage addresses in their list of 2 million, because they plan to use someone elses bandwidth when they send the mail, and they are giving false "From:" info so the bounces go to someone else. The undeliverables don't bother them at all.
Point: SPEWS doesn't sell anything. You couldn't buy from them if you wanted to. They publish a list of IP's which they believe either send spam, or support spam. They tell you up front that if you use that list to block mail connections, you will have collarteral damage. Any ISP that uses that list, uses it by choice.
The spammers are just whining. No big deal - that happens all the time.
That's because they don't like you.
And how is that going to harm the spammer? There isn't a web page. They registered the URL on 16-Jan-03, (probably for the purpose of this lawsuit, though I don't see how that helps them) and GoDaddy is simply showing a placeholder. DoSing GoDaddy isn't going to harm the spammer. If you're going to bother with something like that, at least aim at the correct target.
Despite the fact that the scam artists who filed this lawsuit registered their domain with GoDaddy, GoDaddy has a very good reputation in spam fighting circles. They will actually shut down a spammers website if they are convinced that it's justified (ie, if the website is being spamvertised.)
Check out GoDaddy's Anti Spam Policy.
When the flood comes, it sends the mirrors, and then simply forwards the rest of the requests to them, thus spreading the load.
No, I don't know of any system that does this automatically now. That doesn't mean there isn't one. I'm certain that I could write one - it's just not that hard.
MS doesn't control the net. And if a system that allows people to communicate via email without the problems we have now were to come about, any programmer interested could write an email program for Windows. Eudora would proably be glad to jump on it. If MS doesn't play along, they'll have nobody using Outlook and OE anymore, because almost universally, people hate spam.
I put an email address on my website. Many businesses do. You seem to believe that you should have to hide from the spammers, but IMO, that's one of the prices we are already paying due to spam.
You shouldn't have to hide your address. That makes the net less useful, not more useful. If an old friend finds my website, or someone wants to hire me, or someone with the same hobby I have wants to write me, they should be able to do that. That sort of thing is part of why I have an email address.
>passed is going to miraculously stop spam.
No, laws won't stop spam. However, laws will keep a large number of people from using it. Laws don't stop rape or theft, either. Would you propose that we get rid of those laws?
Spam, if we don't stop it, will ruin email as a means of communications. I don't want that to happen.
Once you've hunted down the information, filled out the card, and sent it in, you can expect a long wait - at best. They want that money in their bank as long as possible.
Many of the companies running rebates seem to have a problem in tracking them. We've all either experienced it, or heard stories from friends, about calling months after sending the rebate form in and being told "We have no record of it." Of course not - why would scam artists keep records that said they owed us money?
Even in the few occassions where you get your money back, you've saved a little money, but you've gone to a lot of trouble, and you've given them your name, address, phone #, email address, etc. Marketers must think that's a great thing. But for those of us who are tired of telemarketers, junk mail, and spam, it sucks.
I quit buying anything based on a rebate a couple of years ago. I'm convinced that any company who uses that form of marketing is essentially dishonest, and I'd prefer to do business with honest companies.