Lemma: It takes a higher level of intelligence to turn off signatures than to recognize sarcasm.
Lemma 2: If you are not smart enough to turn off signatures, you probably read them.
Theorom: You are either smart enough to recognize sarcasm or read my signature to find out about it.
Maybe they'll put E17 in there too, now that it's available. Except E17 is for old Koreans.
I use GNOME, mainly because it's visually pretty clean and well-concieved among WIMPs; that said, I still occaisionally want to drop into evilwm. It's nice to see Debian being proactive about this stuff. Now, if only they would put Firefox 1.0 and Gimp 2.x (or have they? *doesn't check*)in there, we'd be getting somewhere.
Yes, I would give Apple's acquisition of NeXT and Steve Jobs (Or vice-versa:) as the primary, direct reason for Apple's sudden foray into Unix-like systems and open source components. That might not have happened, or might not have happened as quickly, if it were not for a new rival (Linux) that was loosely threatening Apple's mindshare. For a direct example of this, see In The Beginning Was The Command Line by Neal Stephenson, in which he (a long-time Mac user) switched over to Linux from Mac. (See also, for emphasis, his recent review stating that he's moved to Mac OS X.)
Again, I'm just saying that GNU/Linux systems have been a major player to beat in a market where everyone else is charging cash money for the OS or the specialized hardware. But your point is taken that Linux was not a direct reason behind OS X.
1: I wouldn't have a real good grip on how much Solaris had to do with it, except that Solaris hasn't been targeted at bottom shelf PC hardware and challenging the Windows desktop, until very recently. I didn't start messing with Solaris on a P200 2 years ago, I started messing with Mandrake. I haven't purchased Solaris licenses for the 4 or 5 machines that would otherwise be running Linux. Solaris probably wouldn't run with full hardware support on my laptop and I'm not interested in bugging Sun to see if maybe they'll add that to the next version. It may be some kind of deity wherever you work or go to school, but the rest of us don't pay for what we don't need, regardless of whatever spiffy features it has that make it *oh so much* better than Linux.
2: I believe another reply has addressed this, but since you are not aware, Apple partially sponsored a Linux kernel/Mach kernel system called MkLinux that still runs on old Mac hardware. This sounds very much like an "option or influence" related to Apple's adoption of a hybrid BSD/Mach microkernel for their new OS. (MkLinux)
3: I didn't say Linux was/is better, I just said it forced everyone else to improve. By analogy, to help you grasp what I'm saying: If someone was giving away brand new Chevy Cavaliers to anyone who asked, how many people would run out and buy a luxury car instead? Only those who really, really, really want or need them.
4: I'd be more likely to toss them at anyone who modded up an anonymous coward.
I think it's a good idea to try to improve in this direction, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. The best way to solve this particular problem IMHO would be for the programming environment to actively help the programmer remember used identifiers, guess at the types assigned to them, and provide access to class methods, module contents, &c. This is the one thing I credit to the creators of Visual Studio.net, which I have to use all day with C# and ASP.net.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Linus Torvalds influencing the industry? What executive decisions has he made that made that changed everything?
Linux is the kernel driving the most common Unix implementations right now. The Linux kernel project in high use on inexpensive hardware is what has largely fueled the Unix culture for the last 5-8 years, and has caused Microsoft (Via it's campaign of FUD) and Apple (By adoption of Unix as an underlying OS, disputable but possible), as well as Unix vendors, to sweat and improve to compete with a technology that is highly useful and completely free. And surely there are other important people behind this movement; but the most prominent one is Linus.
1st things first - Yes, it is 'interpreted', in the sense that it is rarely used to produce executables and mostly distributed via source. But it is compiled into Python bytecode before execution, not run straight from text files. Still, I'm aware it just isn't a fast language.
But AFAIK, the same thing is done with C++; a lot of modern software is done in C++ as if it is some miracle cure for the problem of high-level vs. low-level programming, and C++ people (Not per se all the people who know C++) are just as fanatical as the Perl people, the Python people and every other radical group of elitists. I try hard not to be one of these. I really like Python, but I have my eyes on other languages and concepts than Python and prototype-based OO.
Of course, I can't help you with your boss wanting to use a large-footprinted, slow-as-balls interpreted language in embedded real-time stuff. But your PHB is the one to blame there, not Python:)
The Morphix ISO's and derivatives are some of my favorite LiveCDs. I think my very favorite is GNUStep 0.5 because it is built on GNUStep; and because it has GRUB and parted and QTParted, even though the installer still uses cfdisk by default.
Close second is Morphix LightGUI, an XFCE-based full desktop system, since it's only 200 MB. Unfortunately, the ISO builds are very seemingly outdated. (Firebird!)
After that, I would probably go with plain old Knoppix, or maybe Gnoppix being a GNOME-ish person.
desktop users a reason to use it.
When I say "desktop users", I'm not talking about anyone here on/.
The cost is $0 forever, and very modern distros will run in 64 MB on a Pentium II. IMHO, the hurdle is the technical difficulty, or even the percieved technical difficulty, not the motive. "It's free and it will save you money" is something that anyone can understand.
I don't know. Yeah, I guess I heard something about that. I'm really more worried about Spread Firefox, which goes down just about every time something makes it onto Slashdot. They need some help.
Personally, I rely on word-of-mouth review way more than game site reviews or newspaper reviews. (Those are the inky paper thingums, right?) I would be far more likely to buy or not buy a game because of some off-hand chatter in an IRC chat than because of any review site.
And then there's the tried and true way: Rent it or play it at a friends house, decide for yourself if you like it, then decide if you want to buy it, or borrow it, or wait til' it's cheap and buy it, and not buy it and all. Or whatever.
Of course, with Halo 2, that could go any number of ways.
It's academic, really, since I don't have a modern console anymore.
Yeah, it's too gosh-darn bad. Not that the Mozilla servers aren't going to start getting batshit insane from all the traffic anyway. Why not just completely do them in now?
(You will note that Spread Firefox is mostly down at the moment.)
I, for one, welcome our Free Software overlords.
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GPL Revision Coming Soon
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· Score: 2, Interesting
"The GPL is just a way of turning humans... into this." [Holds up printout of Linux source code]
"28 days... 6 hours... 42 minutes... 12 seconds... The copyright on the UNIX source will expire."
"You only THINK you've won! While your back was turned, I switched licenses!"
Comes textile-punk, to be featured in Neal Stephenson's upcoming book, Sweater Crash. Meanwhile, the Wachowski brothers have a new movie in the making about about a futuristic society where all of humanity is entrapped in a large, controlling single piece of nano-fabric. Of course, this was all done 50 years ago in an Asimov book.
I appreciate the mention of PyGame, as Python is presently my language of choice for fiddling around. I have recently started using Python and I really enjoy it, and it's odd to see Python based solutions left out of discussions where they are relevant.
It's almost like there are a large group of people who take offense at the mention of Python...
In my opinion, all research should be this way in fields that are directly related to the betterment of our health. Who would object?
The same people who would object to the betterment of our computers, e.g.:
Those who have direct financial interests in the information
Those who have indirect financial interests in the information, via it's distribution and use by others and the resulting "open market" of ideas and products
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Lemma: It takes a higher level of intelligence to turn off signatures than to recognize sarcasm.
Lemma 2: If you are not smart enough to turn off signatures, you probably read them.
Theorom: You are either smart enough to recognize sarcasm or read my signature to find out about it.
:P
Sorry for the confusion - I was referring to 'stable'. I use unstable, mainly because it has all of that stuff. (Excpet E17 :)
Seriously, I should put something about "inspect message for sarcasm before replying" in my sig.
Maybe they'll put E17 in there too, now that it's available. Except E17 is for old Koreans. I use GNOME, mainly because it's visually pretty clean and well-concieved among WIMPs; that said, I still occaisionally want to drop into evilwm. It's nice to see Debian being proactive about this stuff. Now, if only they would put Firefox 1.0 and Gimp 2.x (or have they? *doesn't check*)in there, we'd be getting somewhere.
I have a hard enough time remembering one parameter per command. (I once bombed a college coding project because I couldn't figure out 'scp'.)
$ cat friends_ep_247 | grep humor
$ cat fox_news | grep truth
$ cat adult_swim | grep FLCL
$
No dice.
This is in fact an ex-license!
It is no more!
It has ceased to be!
(Or, maybe:)
Customer: Aah, how about Unix?
Wenslydale: Well, we don't get much call for it around here, sir.
Customer: Not much ca--It's the single most popular operating system in the world!
Wenslydale: Not 'round here, sir.
Customer: and what IS the most popular cheese 'round hyah?
Wenslydale: Linux, sir.
Customer: IS it.
Wenslydale: Oh, yes, it's staggeringly popular in this manor, squire.
Customer: Is it.
Wenslydale: It's our number one best seller, sir!
Customer: I see. Uuh...Linux, eh?
Wenslydale: Right, sir.
Customer: All right. Okay. 'Have you got any?' he asked, expecting the answer 'no'.
Wenslydale: I'll have a look, sir... nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno.
I don't understand. What is he talking about?
It would have been nice to see how all of these stack up to QNX and other real-time systems.
Meanwhile, I'll keep this article in mind for if I can ever get a better job position than "ASP.net slave".
I guess it's time for us all to move to Smalltalk, or maybe Flash. Yup, Java loses the intarweb. Microsoft wins. Go home.
Yes, I would give Apple's acquisition of NeXT and Steve Jobs (Or vice-versa :) as the primary, direct reason for Apple's sudden foray into Unix-like systems and open source components. That might not have happened, or might not have happened as quickly, if it were not for a new rival (Linux) that was loosely threatening Apple's mindshare. For a direct example of this, see In The Beginning Was The Command Line by Neal Stephenson, in which he (a long-time Mac user) switched over to Linux from Mac. (See also, for emphasis, his recent review stating that he's moved to Mac OS X.)
Again, I'm just saying that GNU/Linux systems have been a major player to beat in a market where everyone else is charging cash money for the OS or the specialized hardware. But your point is taken that Linux was not a direct reason behind OS X.
1: I wouldn't have a real good grip on how much Solaris had to do with it, except that Solaris hasn't been targeted at bottom shelf PC hardware and challenging the Windows desktop, until very recently. I didn't start messing with Solaris on a P200 2 years ago, I started messing with Mandrake. I haven't purchased Solaris licenses for the 4 or 5 machines that would otherwise be running Linux. Solaris probably wouldn't run with full hardware support on my laptop and I'm not interested in bugging Sun to see if maybe they'll add that to the next version. It may be some kind of deity wherever you work or go to school, but the rest of us don't pay for what we don't need, regardless of whatever spiffy features it has that make it *oh so much* better than Linux.
2: I believe another reply has addressed this, but since you are not aware, Apple partially sponsored a Linux kernel/Mach kernel system called MkLinux that still runs on old Mac hardware. This sounds very much like an "option or influence" related to Apple's adoption of a hybrid BSD/Mach microkernel for their new OS. (MkLinux)
3: I didn't say Linux was/is better, I just said it forced everyone else to improve. By analogy, to help you grasp what I'm saying: If someone was giving away brand new Chevy Cavaliers to anyone who asked, how many people would run out and buy a luxury car instead? Only those who really, really, really want or need them.
4: I'd be more likely to toss them at anyone who modded up an anonymous coward.
I think it's a good idea to try to improve in this direction, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. The best way to solve this particular problem IMHO would be for the programming environment to actively help the programmer remember used identifiers, guess at the types assigned to them, and provide access to class methods, module contents, &c. This is the one thing I credit to the creators of Visual Studio.net, which I have to use all day with C# and ASP.net.
Linux is the kernel driving the most common Unix implementations right now. The Linux kernel project in high use on inexpensive hardware is what has largely fueled the Unix culture for the last 5-8 years, and has caused Microsoft (Via it's campaign of FUD) and Apple (By adoption of Unix as an underlying OS, disputable but possible), as well as Unix vendors, to sweat and improve to compete with a technology that is highly useful and completely free. And surely there are other important people behind this movement; but the most prominent one is Linus.
1st things first - Yes, it is 'interpreted', in the sense that it is rarely used to produce executables and mostly distributed via source. But it is compiled into Python bytecode before execution, not run straight from text files. Still, I'm aware it just isn't a fast language.
But AFAIK, the same thing is done with C++; a lot of modern software is done in C++ as if it is some miracle cure for the problem of high-level vs. low-level programming, and C++ people (Not per se all the people who know C++) are just as fanatical as the Perl people, the Python people and every other radical group of elitists. I try hard not to be one of these. I really like Python, but I have my eyes on other languages and concepts than Python and prototype-based OO.
Of course, I can't help you with your boss wanting to use a large-footprinted, slow-as-balls interpreted language in embedded real-time stuff. But your PHB is the one to blame there, not Python :)
The Morphix ISO's and derivatives are some of my favorite LiveCDs. I think my very favorite is GNUStep 0.5 because it is built on GNUStep; and because it has GRUB and parted and QTParted, even though the installer still uses cfdisk by default.
Close second is Morphix LightGUI, an XFCE-based full desktop system, since it's only 200 MB. Unfortunately, the ISO builds are very seemingly outdated. (Firebird!)
After that, I would probably go with plain old Knoppix, or maybe Gnoppix being a GNOME-ish person.
The cost is $0 forever, and very modern distros will run in 64 MB on a Pentium II. IMHO, the hurdle is the technical difficulty, or even the percieved technical difficulty, not the motive. "It's free and it will save you money" is something that anyone can understand.
I don't know. Yeah, I guess I heard something about that. I'm really more worried about Spread Firefox, which goes down just about every time something makes it onto Slashdot. They need some help.
That was your gerbil? I thought it had choked on a pe- er- some kind of precious stone.
Personally, I rely on word-of-mouth review way more than game site reviews or newspaper reviews. (Those are the inky paper thingums, right?) I would be far more likely to buy or not buy a game because of some off-hand chatter in an IRC chat than because of any review site.
And then there's the tried and true way: Rent it or play it at a friends house, decide for yourself if you like it, then decide if you want to buy it, or borrow it, or wait til' it's cheap and buy it, and not buy it and all. Or whatever.
Of course, with Halo 2, that could go any number of ways.
It's academic, really, since I don't have a modern console anymore.
Yeah, it's too gosh-darn bad. Not that the Mozilla servers aren't going to start getting batshit insane from all the traffic anyway. Why not just completely do them in now?
(You will note that Spread Firefox is mostly down at the moment.)
"The GPL is just a way of turning humans... into this." [Holds up printout of Linux source code]
"28 days... 6 hours... 42 minutes... 12 seconds... The copyright on the UNIX source will expire."
"You only THINK you've won! While your back was turned, I switched licenses!"
(I did the best I could.)
Comes textile-punk, to be featured in Neal Stephenson's upcoming book, Sweater Crash. Meanwhile, the Wachowski brothers have a new movie in the making about about a futuristic society where all of humanity is entrapped in a large, controlling single piece of nano-fabric. Of course, this was all done 50 years ago in an Asimov book.
I appreciate the mention of PyGame, as Python is presently my language of choice for fiddling around. I have recently started using Python and I really enjoy it, and it's odd to see Python based solutions left out of discussions where they are relevant.
It's almost like there are a large group of people who take offense at the mention of Python...
The same people who would object to the betterment of our computers, e.g.: