Common sense can be deceptive. Common sense says that outsourcing
will destroy American jobs, but actually, in the long run, outsourcing
will help to preserve jobs and Western society.
How? First, please visit
the web site that explains "H-1B Myths". Professor
Matloff, who teaches computer science at a top-notch
university, has campaigned tirelessly to terminate the H-1B program.
Anyhow, we have only 2 choices.
H-1B employment but no outsourcing.
Outsourcing but no H-1B employment.
The second choice is best and
will result in the long-term gain of jobs for Americans.
The United States of America (USA) is a big market,
and companies will set up shop in the USA once their
share of the market reaches a certain critical size. As well,
domestic content laws facilitate this trend. Toyota and Honda
are excellent examples; they have built huge manufacturing
and design facilities in the USA.
Further, by terminating
H-1B employment, you ensure that American jobs stay with
Americans.
The second choice also directly deals with the strongest bogus
argument by unethical American companies like Intel and
possibly Google. Even
when Silicon Valley has 8% unemployment, they insist that
cannot find American workers for critical jobs and that
they must hire H-1Bs. We in the Slashdot community should
say, "Fine. Go set up shop overseas. There is plenty of labor
there."
The Department
of Labor would disagree. If the issue of "qualified"
were entirely up to the subjective judgment of the employer,
then any high-school graduate can see that the H-1B laws
allow any unethical American company at any time to access
the world's labor market.
The article "Experience
with H-1B's?" describes a violation of the H-1B laws, or
the H-1B laws are broken. The Department
of Labor will say that
"Experience
with H-1B's?" describes a violation of the H-1B laws.
While you are on-line, please visit the
web site called
"H-1B Myths".
Professor Norman Matloff is a professor at a top-notch university
in computer science and has testified in Congress. He has claimed repeatedly that there is
no labor shortage in computer science and that companies
like Google hire only a tiny percentage of qualified applicants.
The article "Experience
with H-1B's?" confirms what Professor Matloff says and provides
enough information to investigate a violation of the H-1B laws. The article claims that companies like Google and IBM want "star" programmers instead of merely "good" programmers.
The article, "Experience
with H-1Bs?", actually describes a violation of the H-1B
laws. Please join with me to contact the Department
of Labor. It has a web site with
contact
information. Please forward the article to the Department
of Labor.
What violation is described in the article? Well, the intent
of the H-1B laws is to allow companies to hire foreign workers
when they cannot find American workers with the right skills.
For example, suppose that a job requires a person who can
wrote C-language code. If the American company cannot find
an American who can write C-language code, then the American
company may hire a foreign worker via an H-1B visa.
However, the H-1B laws do not allow the following situation.
Suppose that the American company actually finds an American
who can write C-language code. Yet, the company knows of a
foreign worker who can write even better C-language code.
So, the company then hires the foreign worker.
Unethical American companies exploit the H-1B laws in order to
give them access to the entire world's labor market --
from the very beginning of the hiring cycle. Then, these
unethical American companies proceed to hire the best talent
in the world's labor market. Do the H-1B laws allow this kind
of exploitation. No. Absolutely not.
The H-1B laws require American companies to access only the
American labor market. If, at the end of the hiring cycle,
they cannot find someone with the needed
skills, then they can access the world's labor market.
Please join with me to report possible labor violations at Google
and IBM to the Department of Labor. If the author of the
article is telling the truth, then we must also report this
story to IBM's department of human resources. IBM will likely fire the person who was author's manager when the author was employed at IBM.
IBM discourages the use of H-1B workers unless the position requires a Ph.D.
There is considerable evidence that H-1Bs are unnecessary. First, IBM, as a matter of corporate policy, does not hire H-1B workers unless they are applying for a position that requires a Ph.D. The Power4, which crushes the UltraSPARC III in performance, was not built with H-1B labor. Sun has a different policy. Sun hires many H-1Bs, and the UltraSPARC III was built with many H-1B workers.
Here is another example. Remember the SPARC64 by Fujitsu? It too beats the pants off the UltraSPARC III. Yet, in Japan, Fujitsu generally does not hire the equivalent of H-1Bs. The SPARC64 was built largely by native labor.
That destroys 1 bogus claim.
Here is another bogus claim. The supporters of H-1Bs are mostly foreigners who want desparately to come into the USA. They claim that you need H-1Bs in order to keep wages and, hence, prices in check. In short, in their view of the world, the world can function properly if and only if there are impoverished people who are desparate to get out of their homelands. Yet, isn't the goal of the United Nations to bring everyone to prosperity?
Let's face the matter directly. Shut off the H-1B faucet. The economy always heals itself of any shortage. Read any economics book. When there is a shortage, the economy self-heals. In the case of engineers, if there were a shortage, then wages would rise. Higher wages attract more engineers. Will the price of new products rise? Probably. However, after they become commoditized, then their prices will fall. The economy is really a cycle.
Anyhow, the H-1B program is unnecessary. In fact, it is detrimental to American society. Please. Do somethng about the problem. Most of us in the Slashdot community oppose the H-1B program. Let us work together to petition the government to terminate both the L-1 program and the H-1B program. Do not wait of the guy sitting at the next computer to do your civic responsibility. Move your ass. Do your job.
The article
has two key quotes. Below is the first key quote.
We've got the No. 1 64-bit computing architecture
out there.
Is SPARC the #1 computing architecture? Let us review the
matter. SPARC is not #1 in either volume or dollars. The x86
architecture is #1 even if most engineers do not consider
it to be an optimum architecture.
Perhaps, McNealy is referring to #1 in the sense of #1 performance.
Again, the #1 in performance is the triad: Power architecture
(with implementations being Power4, Power4+, Power5), the Itanium
architecture (with implementations being Itanium 2, 3, etc.),
and the x86 architecture (with implementations being the Pentium 4,
etc.). A quick review of the performance stats at SPEC
should clarify any confusion. The SPARC is among the worst
processors in terms of performance.
Below is the second key quote.
Shouldn't India be a little upset that we have most
of their software programmers here?
Compared to IBM, Sun is #1 -- in the sense that Sun has more H-1B employees.
IBM, as a matter of corporate policy, refuses to hire any H-1B workers
unless they are applying for a job that requires a Ph.D. The Power4,
which handily beats the UltraSPARC III in performance, was built almost
exclusively by American citizens or permanent residents. No H-1Bs.
Perhaps, McNealy was referring to the number of H-1Bs when he was talking
about the SPARC being the supposed #1 computing architecture.
Robinson asks: 'Why are our imaginations retreating
from science and space, and into fantasy?'"
Spider Robinson can answer his own question by flipping the
channel of his television set to watch "Enterprise" on the
local UPN station. This spinoff of the original "Star Trek"
series is probably the worst piece of science fiction that
anyone in the Slashdot community has ever seen.
Tough Visa Laws in Japan but its Engineers are OK
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The belief that the USA somehow needs foreign students in order to be
competitive in science and engineering is simply wrong. Look at Japan.
It has extremely restrictive laws on visas, and the overwhelming majority
of engineers are natives. Yet, the ability of Japanese engineers is equal
to the ability of their American peers.
The USA, infested with foreign students, may be slightly ahead of Japan
in certain areas of high technology, but is the USA 20 years ahead of Japan?
No. The temporal difference is closer to 3 years. Reducing the number of foreign
students by 99% in the USA in exchange for the USA "falling behind" by about 3
years in scientific development is acceptable for most Americans. The USA of 2000
is almost as good a place to live as the USA of 2003.
Some of the estimated 550,000 foreign graduate students
and postdoctoral researchers who help staff the nation's
laboratories may take their brainpower to countries where
visa hurdles are less rigorous.
"They're now better off looking for jobs outside the United
States," said William Greenough, a professor of international
medicine at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of
Public Health. "This will set us back 20 years."
These particular foreign students are identified with a group
of immigrants who are relatively wealthy (compared to their peers
overseas), relatively well educated (compared to their peers overseas),
and extremely opposed to assimilating into Western culture. If they do
not come to the United States of America (USA), their absence is no
loss for the USA. It is better off without them.
(reference: "Immigrants:
Traitors Among Us")
One characteristic of these foreign students is their strong pride in
their own capabilities. They believe that the American hi-tech industry --
indeed, the entire American economy -- would grind to a halt if the
American government did not allow them to come en masse into the USA.
Their attitude and behavior have brainwashed respected professors
(at, for example, John Hopkins University) into believing the same rubbish.
The USA will work fine without these foreign students. If there is a demand
for new technologies, then the capitalistic economy of the USA will produce those
technologies without those foreign students. "It" really is that simple.
Salaries will rise, and the high salaries will attract more people into
science and engineering.
One distinction between the West and the non-Western countries like China
is the following. In the West, people discover the truth. In non-Western
countries, people manufacture the truth (via deception). The foreign students want
Americans to believe that the USA needs the immigrants much more than the
immigrants need the USA. The foreign students deliberately manufacture this
lie, and it has become an accepted "truth" among academicians. Yet, what
is the truth? The truth is that foreign students desperately want to escape
the ignorant, barbaric overseas societies in which they were born. They all
want to flee to the West -- usually, the USA. In order to guarantee that
the USA will always accept them, they trick Americans into believing that the
USA actually needs them. Baloney.
Americans owe nothing to foreign students and certainly do not depend on them.
Americans simply, out of their own generosity and compassion, allow foreign
students to enter the USA to study to improve themselves. Of course, Americans
allow immigrants to enter the USA to enjoy the economic and social freedoms
that do not exist in ignorant, barbaric overseas countries.
Americans are fully entitled to deny entry to foreign students who come
from hostile states. Those states are listed in the second quote.
Researchers from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Cuba,
North Korea and Sudan -- countries considered terrorism
supporters -- are forbidden by law from working with
any of 82 "select agents" classified as potential bioweapon
agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The agents include human killers like anthrax and the plague
as well as things that harm animals, like the agent that
causes mad cow disease.
This list of hostile states omits 3 important political states: Hong Kong,
mainland China, and Taiwan
province. The Chinese support
The Space Exploration Act of 2003
was likely strongly motivated by ominous developments in the Chinese space program.
In "China
space programme makes US anxious", "The Straits Times"
reports that the Chinese are accelerating development of their space program
and plan to put Chinese astronauts in orbit around the earth. Both "nationalism and
economic growth" drive the space program in China. Unlike the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration (NASA) in the United States of America, the Chinese
space program is tied directly into the Chinese military and is developing
technologies to obliterate American reconnaisance satellites.
In "Netscape
usage
down to 3.4 percent, Infoworld reports that Netscape and
Microsoft have 3.4% and 96%, respectively, of the market for Web browsers in 2002. Back in 1994,
Netscape had a 94% share
of the market for Web browsers. Gosh. Times sure have changed.
It is natural for jobs to go to the person who
can do the job who asks the least pay for it.
People bitch about it when they are trying to get
a job, but no one bitches about it when they hire
someone to wash their car. We have four choices:
A) let people come to America and work, B) let the
jobs go to places where people work cheaper, C) work
for cheaper than the other people, or D) wait for
our economy to go so far into the crapper that no
one would ever come here to work.
Choice B is the best choice. Outsourcing is superior
to both the H-1B program and the
L-1 program.
Please read "Oppose
H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Anyhow, we must do more than just terminate both the H-1B program and
the L-1 program.
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you
want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not
wait for someone else to carry out your civic
responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
During the economic boom, and even before
that, the US has always needed employees. The
high job to population ratio meant less qualified
people to fill up job vacancies. That's how the
H1 visa program came into being, and was greatly
appreciated during the 1990's boom.
Well, no, most American workers did not "greatly appreciate" the H-1B visa
program. It provided the perfect excuse for unethical companies like Intel
to avoid training American workers.
Economies normally grow and shrink. There will always be periods of
temporary shortage. However, over time, the shortage will disappear.
All shortages are self-fixing; read any book on economics. In the particular
case of labor shortage, wages will rise; higher wages will attract more labor.
The shortage will disappear.
During periods of apparent shortage, there is no need to "fix" the
problem by importing foreign H-1B workers like Indians or Chinese.
Anyhow, we should immediately terminate both the H-1B program and
the L-1 program.
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you
want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not
wait for someone else to carry out your civic
responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
We must do more than just terminate the H-1B program.
We must also terminate the L-1 program as well. With secure video-conferencing,
there is no need to rotate a foreigner into the United States of America to
work for an extended period of time.
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you
want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not
wait for someone else to carry out your civic
responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
Silicon Valley has 8% unemployment, but Intel says that it cannot
find engineers to fill its ranks. Intel insists that the American
government allow it to hire H-1B workers from India and China
(which includes Taiwan and Hong Kong).
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you
want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not
wait for someone else to carry out your civic
responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
That's ludicrous. H-1B and L-1 Visa immigrants
at least contribute to our economy. They buy cars,
houses, etc
You overlook the obvious. If unethical American companies outsource to India,
the new jobs in India give Indians more money. They can then buy more
cars, computers, ethernet cars, and other products imported from the USA.
Anyhow, we in the Slashdot community need to stop this nonsense called the "H-1B program"
and the "L-1" program
immediately. Let us petition the American government, today, to terminate both
programs.
The CNN story
describes a report about H-1B workers. Over the past 5 years, more than 500,000 H-1B
workers
have been employeed in the United States of America (USA).
Those 500,000 H-1B workers may not have impacted the salaries of their employed
American peers. However, the 500,000 American workers displaced
by the 500,000 H-1B workers felt a serious impact.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Don't get angry. Get justice.
Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing
but stop both the H-1B program and the L-1 program.
Please read "Oppose
H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
If an unethical American company wants to hire H-1B workers at a time
of 8% unemployment, they should
go overseas and setup shop there.
H-1B Program: Don't get Angry; Get Justice
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No Americans Need Apply
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But if Americans can't work in India, then let's kick
the damn H1B's out of this country. I had NO IDEA that
Americans couldn't get an Indian job. If that really is
true (although no real good source was cited), I say fuck
'em and give 'em the boot until India wants to open up
it's doors to American workers.
Don't get angry. Get justice.
Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing
but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose
H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
We in the West often make the innocent but stupid mistake
of extrapolating our experiences in the West to other
societies. The morals of people in non-Western societies
like India are radically different from the morals of
people in the West. To us, allowing an H-1B worker to be
employed in the United States of America (USA) but
preventing an American worker from working in India
is wrong and unfair. To the Indians, such a situation is
fair. Radically different sense of right and wrong.
Don't get angry. Get justice.
Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing
but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose
H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing". Petition the American
government immediately to stop the H-1B program. Do not sit
on your ass. Move it.
That's common in many countries all around the world.
As long as you aren't a citizien it is rather hard to
get a job - not just because of possible prejudices
but also simply because you are not allowed to!
However, there are varying degrees of "not allowed to".
Permanent residents in the United States of America
(USA) have almost the same privileges as citizens.
Even IBM treats permanent residents (i.e. folks with just
a "green card") identically to citizens. Permanent residents
can get a job just as easily as citizens in the USA.
Of course, a person who has neither permanent residence
nor American citizenship has a relative easy time
looking for work in the USA. A person of the same
status would have a mucher harder time in Japan, for
example.
This ease is the source of abuse in the H-1B laws.
Folks, we in the Slashdot community must wake up!
Silicon Valley
now has 8% engineering unemployment, yet unethical American companies like Intel
insist that they cannot find American workers to hire.
In fact, they have asked Congress to maintain or increase the
H-1B quota.
Well, duh... As a dutchman it's also not possible
for me to relocate to the USA. Unless I prove that
there's no way my skills can be found in the States.
However, abusing the H-1B laws is easy. Silicon Valley
has 8% engineering unemployment, yet unethical American companies like Intel
insist that they cannot find American workers to hire.
In fact, they have asked Congress to maintain or increase the
H-1B quota.
David Soong is learning what many Americans already know. Countries
like India do not have the same sense of fairness that the United
States of America (USA) has. The American government allows hundreds of thousands
of H-1B workers to work in the USA, but the Indian government does not
allow American workers to work in India.
What can we in the West do about this injustice?
Here are the facts.
Unethical American companies like Intel demand that the American government allow
them to hire H-1B workers. They claim that they cannot meet their labor
needs without H-1B employees even during a period of 8% unemployment in
Silicon Valley. (clincher:IBM does not hire H-1B workers unless they are
applying for a job that requires a Ph.D. The Power4 family of chips were
all built without H-1B labor.)
Huge immigrant communites like the Indian community and Chinese community (which includes
Taiwanese and Hong Kongers) have arisen simply
because H-1B laws allow them to stay here. They then pressure the American government
to allow even more Indian and Chinese immigrants into the USA via H-1B laws or other immigration loopholes. (clincher:
In these particular communities, most parents teach their kids (1) that
Western culture is only for "White" people and (2) that they should not assimilate
into American culture. Please read "Immigrants:
Traitors Among Us". These communities produce people like
David Yang and
Eugene Hsu
who attempt to destroy the security of the USA via giving American military technology to Beijing, etc.
By contrast, communities, like the Vietnamese community, that did not grow from H-1B laws tend
to assimilate much better into American society.)
What we, along with David Soong, should do is the following.
Petition the American government to shutdown the H-1B program.
Tell unethical companies like Intel that they can handle their supposed
labor shortage
by outsourcing (i. e. hiring only folks living in foreign countries).
In the short term, both "outsourcing" and "H-1B" employment will deprive Americans
of jobs to the same degree. However, in the long term, "outsourcing" has
many benefits. It will stop the growth of ethnic communities that do not
wish to assimilate. Further, "outsourcing" will actually increase the number of
jobs in the long term. How? The American nation is a huge market, and there are many economic
advantages to building a company within the market in which you wish to target.
First, the company employees and the customers of the company speak the same language:
English. Second, the design time of the product is reduced because the time for the path of
consumer_needs->marketing_department->engineering_ department is reduced. This reason
is the prime reason that many Japanese companies like Toyota have set up shop
in the USA. When the market share of a company exceeds a critical threshold,
the company will be compelled to setup operations in the country where the
market is located.
When we shut off the H-1B faucet, American companies established in the USA
will hire exclusively Americans during economic upturns. Now, in the era
of the H-1B faucet gushing with H-1B applicants, unethical American companies like
Intel hire hordes
of H-1B folks, so the total jobs available to Americans during the economic
upturn is less.
Let us in the Slashdot community start a campaign to terminate the H-1B program
immediately. Simultaneously, we support outsourcing. It sounds
counter-intuitive, but in the long run, outsourcing will help to maintain
the quality of life in the USA and t
Japan is not a multicultural society, but Japan is a multi-ethnic society. Several politicians in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) have grandparents who came from Korea to Japan. The most famous such politician is Shokei Arai. He committed suicide in a recent financial scandal, according to "Suicide clouds Japan probe".
If you want to find the kind of racism that existed in Japan in 1895, then you must go to China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong).
Japan does not have that kind of brutal racism any more. Japan is a modern Western nation, but
it is a 2nd-class Western nation.
Japan has many problems that currently prevent it from becoming a 1st-class Western nation like the United States of America (USA). An example of a problem is the fact that the government of Japan lacks the will to expel 300,000 North Koreans out of the country. These North Koreans refuse Japanese citizenship and smuggle money and military technology from Japan into North Korea. According to "Japan keeps N. Korea ferry at port", hundreds of North Korean residents in Japan recently stood at a ferry terminal and shouted, "Long live the glorious fatherland, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea."
The Japanese government needs to find in itself the spirit of American determination and justice to expel all North Korean residents from Japan. Further, the Japanese government should seek technical assistance from the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to send a commando force into North Korea to rescue the children of the Japanese who had been kidnapped and forcibly brought to North Korea more than a decade a go.
Westerners -- especially, Americans -- do not tolerate crap like that. A case in point is the assassination of Henry Liu. In 1984, the Taiwanese hired agents in the USA to murder an American citizen, Henry Liu.
The Taiwanese government is the only foreign government to successfully murder an American citizen on American soil. The American government warned the Taiwanese government that Americans were prepared to retaliate against the Taiwanese unless the Taiwanese government arrested the mastermind behind the crime and sent him to prison. The Taiwanese government immediately obeyed the demands of the American government.
The Japanese government must deal with nonsense -- especially, dangerous nonsense -- in the American way. A good first step in this direction is building an impenetrable missile defense system and ignoring any complaints from the militaristic Chinese (which includes the Taiwanese and the Hong Kongers). A good second step is deporting the 300,000 North Koreans back to their fatherland, North Korea.
O.J. Simpson Trial was Short by Comparison
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Does anyone remember the trial of O.J. Simpson in 1991?
It ran for nine months, drew on a small army of experts, and
cost millions of dollars to conduct.
Compared to the upcoming trial of SCO versus IBM, the Simpson
trial will be considered brief and financially cheap .
UNIX has been in existance for 30+ years, and chunks of the
code are very old. SCO will need to subpoena the hundreds
of people who had worked on the original code in order to prove
that the code originally appeared in UNIX. IBM, of course,
will subpoena other writers of other chunks of the code. You
will see bearded 55-year-old geeks sitting in a courtroom and
waxing nostalgic about their coding experience with UNIX.
This trial will last for more than a year and cost hundreds
of millions of dollars.
The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
acted appropriately. As an institution that has one of the
largest and most profitable patent portfolios, MIT
firmly opposes the theft of intellectual property (IP).
Making illegal copies of music is clearly an act of theft
that deprives both the artist and legitimate businesses
of profits that they are due.
When MIT initially opposed the court subpoena requested
by the lawyers of the Recording Industry Association of
America (RIAA), the RIAA had not followed proper legal
procedures. MIT's opposition was unrelated to whether
MIT supports the theft of IP. Of course,
MIT does not support such theft.
Some Americans side with the file sharers because they
appear like "Robin Hoods" who steal from the rich music
companies to give to the poor plain folks who must cough
up $15 for a compact disc (CD) that contains only
1 desirable song. But come on, folks! Theft is theft
regardless of how you color the matter.
Yes. There are nations where theft of intellectual property
is rampant. Consider the rate of software
piracy in China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong).
Its rate of theft is about 90%. Do we really want the United
States of America to resemble China? Can't we in the West
live by a higher and better standard than China?
The key quote from the article mentioned
in the header of this discussion is the following.
Clearly much of the military research is geared
toward weapon making. But is that categorically
wrong? Many people would be hard-pressed to draw
moral equivalence between U.S. troops and some of
their foes--the bombers of the UN HQ in Baghdad,
or the Taliban.
In blunt terms, the anonymous submitter who began this
discussion is dreadfully wrong when he implies that the
United States of America (USA) is equivalent to totalitarian
states like China (which includes Taiwan and
Hong Kong) that emphasize military spending. Military spending
in the USA is geared towards protecting lives. For example,
in the Serbian military conflict (in which the Chinese supported
the Serbians committing gross human-rights atrocities against
the Kosovars in Kosovo), the
Americans went out of their way to use precision military
technology to destroy only military targets and to
avoid hitting civilian targets like hospitals and schools.
We all can agree that merely needing weapons suggests the
dreadful state of human affairs. Weapons are a necessary evil.
Someone must develop them. That "someone" might as well be
Westerners because we need them to safeguard the finest
civilization known to human history.
Even the Japanese have awoken to this reality. Unlike the militaristic
Chinese (which includes Taiwanese and Hong Kongers), the Japanese
are extreme pacifists and have a constitution that forbids
the use of force to settle overseas conflicts. However, after (1) the
recent launching of nuclear-capable missiles by the North Koreans and (2) the recent confirmation
of North Koreans kidnapping Japanese, Japanese policy makers
are realizing the importance of developing state-of-the-art weapons
systems. For the first time in recent memory, the Japanese
are initiating discussions with the Americans on researching and
building
an impenetrable missile shield as soon as possible.
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How? First, please visit the web site that explains "H-1B Myths". Professor Matloff, who teaches computer science at a top-notch university, has campaigned tirelessly to terminate the H-1B program.
Anyhow, we have only 2 choices.
The second choice is best and will result in the long-term gain of jobs for Americans. The United States of America (USA) is a big market, and companies will set up shop in the USA once their share of the market reaches a certain critical size. As well, domestic content laws facilitate this trend. Toyota and Honda are excellent examples; they have built huge manufacturing and design facilities in the USA.
Further, by terminating H-1B employment, you ensure that American jobs stay with Americans.
The second choice also directly deals with the strongest bogus argument by unethical American companies like Intel and possibly Google. Even when Silicon Valley has 8% unemployment, they insist that cannot find American workers for critical jobs and that they must hire H-1Bs. We in the Slashdot community should say, "Fine. Go set up shop overseas. There is plenty of labor there."
The Department of Labor would disagree. If the issue of "qualified" were entirely up to the subjective judgment of the employer, then any high-school graduate can see that the H-1B laws allow any unethical American company at any time to access the world's labor market. The article "Experience with H-1B's?" describes a violation of the H-1B laws, or the H-1B laws are broken. The Department of Labor will say that "Experience with H-1B's?" describes a violation of the H-1B laws.
Come on, folks. Forward a copy of "Experience with H-1B's?" to the Department of Labor. Check its contact information.
While you are on-line, please visit the web site called "H-1B Myths". Professor Norman Matloff is a professor at a top-notch university in computer science and has testified in Congress. He has claimed repeatedly that there is no labor shortage in computer science and that companies like Google hire only a tiny percentage of qualified applicants. The article "Experience with H-1B's?" confirms what Professor Matloff says and provides enough information to investigate a violation of the H-1B laws. The article claims that companies like Google and IBM want "star" programmers instead of merely "good" programmers.
The article, "Experience with H-1Bs?", actually describes a violation of the H-1B laws. Please join with me to contact the Department of Labor. It has a web site with contact information. Please forward the article to the Department of Labor.
What violation is described in the article? Well, the intent of the H-1B laws is to allow companies to hire foreign workers when they cannot find American workers with the right skills. For example, suppose that a job requires a person who can wrote C-language code. If the American company cannot find an American who can write C-language code, then the American company may hire a foreign worker via an H-1B visa.
However, the H-1B laws do not allow the following situation. Suppose that the American company actually finds an American who can write C-language code. Yet, the company knows of a foreign worker who can write even better C-language code. So, the company then hires the foreign worker.
Unethical American companies exploit the H-1B laws in order to give them access to the entire world's labor market -- from the very beginning of the hiring cycle. Then, these unethical American companies proceed to hire the best talent in the world's labor market. Do the H-1B laws allow this kind of exploitation. No. Absolutely not.
The H-1B laws require American companies to access only the American labor market. If, at the end of the hiring cycle, they cannot find someone with the needed skills, then they can access the world's labor market.
Please join with me to report possible labor violations at Google and IBM to the Department of Labor. If the author of the article is telling the truth, then we must also report this story to IBM's department of human resources. IBM will likely fire the person who was author's manager when the author was employed at IBM. IBM discourages the use of H-1B workers unless the position requires a Ph.D.
Here is another example. Remember the SPARC64 by Fujitsu? It too beats the pants off the UltraSPARC III. Yet, in Japan, Fujitsu generally does not hire the equivalent of H-1Bs. The SPARC64 was built largely by native labor.
That destroys 1 bogus claim.
Here is another bogus claim. The supporters of H-1Bs are mostly foreigners who want desparately to come into the USA. They claim that you need H-1Bs in order to keep wages and, hence, prices in check. In short, in their view of the world, the world can function properly if and only if there are impoverished people who are desparate to get out of their homelands. Yet, isn't the goal of the United Nations to bring everyone to prosperity?
Let's face the matter directly. Shut off the H-1B faucet. The economy always heals itself of any shortage. Read any economics book. When there is a shortage, the economy self-heals. In the case of engineers, if there were a shortage, then wages would rise. Higher wages attract more engineers. Will the price of new products rise? Probably. However, after they become commoditized, then their prices will fall. The economy is really a cycle.
Anyhow, the H-1B program is unnecessary. In fact, it is detrimental to American society. Please. Do somethng about the problem. Most of us in the Slashdot community oppose the H-1B program. Let us work together to petition the government to terminate both the L-1 program and the H-1B program. Do not wait of the guy sitting at the next computer to do your civic responsibility . Move your ass. Do your job.
Perhaps, McNealy is referring to #1 in the sense of #1 performance. Again, the #1 in performance is the triad: Power architecture (with implementations being Power4, Power4+, Power5), the Itanium architecture (with implementations being Itanium 2, 3, etc.), and the x86 architecture (with implementations being the Pentium 4, etc.). A quick review of the performance stats at SPEC should clarify any confusion. The SPARC is among the worst processors in terms of performance.
Below is the second key quote.
Compared to IBM, Sun is #1 -- in the sense that Sun has more H-1B employees. IBM, as a matter of corporate policy, refuses to hire any H-1B workers unless they are applying for a job that requires a Ph.D. The Power4, which handily beats the UltraSPARC III in performance, was built almost exclusively by American citizens or permanent residents. No H-1Bs.
Perhaps, McNealy was referring to the number of H-1Bs when he was talking about the SPARC being the supposed #1 computing architecture.
Spider Robinson can answer his own question by flipping the channel of his television set to watch "Enterprise" on the local UPN station. This spinoff of the original "Star Trek" series is probably the worst piece of science fiction that anyone in the Slashdot community has ever seen.
The USA, infested with foreign students, may be slightly ahead of Japan in certain areas of high technology, but is the USA 20 years ahead of Japan? No. The temporal difference is closer to 3 years. Reducing the number of foreign students by 99% in the USA in exchange for the USA "falling behind" by about 3 years in scientific development is acceptable for most Americans. The USA of 2000 is almost as good a place to live as the USA of 2003.
Please read "USA is Right: Security before Science".
To start, consider the first quote.
These particular foreign students are identified with a group of immigrants who are relatively wealthy (compared to their peers overseas), relatively well educated (compared to their peers overseas), and extremely opposed to assimilating into Western culture. If they do not come to the United States of America (USA), their absence is no loss for the USA. It is better off without them. (reference: "Immigrants: Traitors Among Us")
One characteristic of these foreign students is their strong pride in their own capabilities. They believe that the American hi-tech industry -- indeed, the entire American economy -- would grind to a halt if the American government did not allow them to come en masse into the USA. Their attitude and behavior have brainwashed respected professors (at, for example, John Hopkins University) into believing the same rubbish.
The USA will work fine without these foreign students. If there is a demand for new technologies, then the capitalistic economy of the USA will produce those technologies without those foreign students. "It" really is that simple. Salaries will rise, and the high salaries will attract more people into science and engineering.
One distinction between the West and the non-Western countries like China is the following. In the West, people discover the truth. In non-Western countries, people manufacture the truth (via deception). The foreign students want Americans to believe that the USA needs the immigrants much more than the immigrants need the USA. The foreign students deliberately manufacture this lie, and it has become an accepted "truth" among academicians. Yet, what is the truth? The truth is that foreign students desperately want to escape the ignorant, barbaric overseas societies in which they were born. They all want to flee to the West -- usually, the USA. In order to guarantee that the USA will always accept them, they trick Americans into believing that the USA actually needs them. Baloney.
Americans owe nothing to foreign students and certainly do not depend on them. Americans simply, out of their own generosity and compassion, allow foreign students to enter the USA to study to improve themselves. Of course, Americans allow immigrants to enter the USA to enjoy the economic and social freedoms that do not exist in ignorant, barbaric overseas countries.
Americans are fully entitled to deny entry to foreign students who come from hostile states. Those states are listed in the second quote.
This list of hostile states omits 3 important political states: Hong Kong, mainland China, and Taiwan province. The Chinese support
Choice B is the best choice. Outsourcing is superior to both the H-1B program and the L-1 program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Anyhow, we must do more than just terminate both the H-1B program and the L-1 program.
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not wait for someone else to carry out your civic responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
Well, no, most American workers did not "greatly appreciate" the H-1B visa program. It provided the perfect excuse for unethical companies like Intel to avoid training American workers.
Economies normally grow and shrink. There will always be periods of temporary shortage. However, over time, the shortage will disappear. All shortages are self-fixing; read any book on economics. In the particular case of labor shortage, wages will rise; higher wages will attract more labor. The shortage will disappear.
During periods of apparent shortage, there is no need to "fix" the problem by importing foreign H-1B workers like Indians or Chinese. Anyhow, we should immediately terminate both the H-1B program and the L-1 program.
Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not wait for someone else to carry out your civic responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
We must do more than just terminate the H-1B program. We must also terminate the L-1 program as well. With secure video-conferencing, there is no need to rotate a foreigner into the United States of America to work for an extended period of time.
Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not wait for someone else to carry out your civic responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
Do not channel your energy into being angry. Do something about the problem. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Silicon Valley has 8% unemployment, but Intel says that it cannot find engineers to fill its ranks. Intel insists that the American government allow it to hire H-1B workers from India and China (which includes Taiwan and Hong Kong).
Fax a letter to your local Congressional representative and tell her that you want the immediate termination of the L-1 and H-1B programs. Do not wait for someone else to carry out your civic responsibility. Move your ass. Do the job.
Anyhow, we in the Slashdot community need to stop this nonsense called the "H-1B program" and the "L-1" program immediately. Let us petition the American government, today, to terminate both programs.
Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
Two wrongs do not make a right. Don't get angry. Get justice. Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing but stop both the H-1B program and the L-1 program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
If an unethical American company wants to hire H-1B workers at a time of 8% unemployment, they should go overseas and setup shop there.
Don't get angry. Get justice. Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
We in the West often make the innocent but stupid mistake of extrapolating our experiences in the West to other societies. The morals of people in non-Western societies like India are radically different from the morals of people in the West. To us, allowing an H-1B worker to be employed in the United States of America (USA) but preventing an American worker from working in India is wrong and unfair. To the Indians, such a situation is fair. Radically different sense of right and wrong.
Don't get angry. Get justice. Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing". Petition the American government immediately to stop the H-1B program. Do not sit on your ass. Move it.
However, there are varying degrees of "not allowed to". Permanent residents in the United States of America (USA) have almost the same privileges as citizens. Even IBM treats permanent residents (i.e. folks with just a "green card") identically to citizens. Permanent residents can get a job just as easily as citizens in the USA.
Of course, a person who has neither permanent residence nor American citizenship has a relative easy time looking for work in the USA. A person of the same status would have a mucher harder time in Japan, for example. This ease is the source of abuse in the H-1B laws. Folks, we in the Slashdot community must wake up! Silicon Valley now has 8% engineering unemployment, yet unethical American companies like Intel insist that they cannot find American workers to hire. In fact, they have asked Congress to maintain or increase the H-1B quota.
Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
However, abusing the H-1B laws is easy. Silicon Valley has 8% engineering unemployment, yet unethical American companies like Intel insist that they cannot find American workers to hire. In fact, they have asked Congress to maintain or increase the H-1B quota.
Join with us in the Slashdot community. Support outsourcing but stop the H-1B program. Please read "Oppose H-1Bs but Support Outsourcing".
What can we in the West do about this injustice?
Here are the facts.
What we, along with David Soong, should do is the following.
In the short term, both "outsourcing" and "H-1B" employment will deprive Americans of jobs to the same degree. However, in the long term, "outsourcing" has many benefits. It will stop the growth of ethnic communities that do not wish to assimilate. Further, "outsourcing" will actually increase the number of jobs in the long term. How? The American nation is a huge market, and there are many economic advantages to building a company within the market in which you wish to target. First, the company employees and the customers of the company speak the same language: English. Second, the design time of the product is reduced because the time for the path of consumer_needs->marketing_department->engineering_ department is reduced. This reason is the prime reason that many Japanese companies like Toyota have set up shop in the USA. When the market share of a company exceeds a critical threshold, the company will be compelled to setup operations in the country where the market is located.
When we shut off the H-1B faucet, American companies established in the USA will hire exclusively Americans during economic upturns. Now, in the era of the H-1B faucet gushing with H-1B applicants, unethical American companies like Intel hire hordes of H-1B folks, so the total jobs available to Americans during the economic upturn is less.
Let us in the Slashdot community start a campaign to terminate the H-1B program immediately. Simultaneously, we support outsourcing. It sounds counter-intuitive, but in the long run, outsourcing will help to maintain the quality of life in the USA and t
Japan does not have that kind of brutal racism any more. Japan is a modern Western nation, but it is a 2nd-class Western nation. Japan has many problems that currently prevent it from becoming a 1st-class Western nation like the United States of America (USA). An example of a problem is the fact that the government of Japan lacks the will to expel 300,000 North Koreans out of the country. These North Koreans refuse Japanese citizenship and smuggle money and military technology from Japan into North Korea. According to "Japan keeps N. Korea ferry at port", hundreds of North Korean residents in Japan recently stood at a ferry terminal and shouted, "Long live the glorious fatherland, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea."
The Japanese government needs to find in itself the spirit of American determination and justice to expel all North Korean residents from Japan. Further, the Japanese government should seek technical assistance from the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to send a commando force into North Korea to rescue the children of the Japanese who had been kidnapped and forcibly brought to North Korea more than a decade a go.
Westerners -- especially, Americans -- do not tolerate crap like that. A case in point is the assassination of Henry Liu. In 1984, the Taiwanese hired agents in the USA to murder an American citizen, Henry Liu. The Taiwanese government is the only foreign government to successfully murder an American citizen on American soil. The American government warned the Taiwanese government that Americans were prepared to retaliate against the Taiwanese unless the Taiwanese government arrested the mastermind behind the crime and sent him to prison. The Taiwanese government immediately obeyed the demands of the American government.
The Japanese government must deal with nonsense -- especially, dangerous nonsense -- in the American way. A good first step in this direction is building an impenetrable missile defense system and ignoring any complaints from the militaristic Chinese (which includes the Taiwanese and the Hong Kongers). A good second step is deporting the 300,000 North Koreans back to their fatherland, North Korea.
UNIX has been in existance for 30+ years, and chunks of the code are very old. SCO will need to subpoena the hundreds of people who had worked on the original code in order to prove that the code originally appeared in UNIX. IBM, of course, will subpoena other writers of other chunks of the code. You will see bearded 55-year-old geeks sitting in a courtroom and waxing nostalgic about their coding experience with UNIX. This trial will last for more than a year and cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Does SCO have the money to fight this fight?
When MIT initially opposed the court subpoena requested by the lawyers of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the RIAA had not followed proper legal procedures. MIT's opposition was unrelated to whether MIT supports the theft of IP. Of course, MIT does not support such theft.
Some Americans side with the file sharers because they appear like "Robin Hoods" who steal from the rich music companies to give to the poor plain folks who must cough up $15 for a compact disc (CD) that contains only 1 desirable song. But come on, folks! Theft is theft regardless of how you color the matter.
Yes. There are nations where theft of intellectual property is rampant. Consider the rate of software piracy in China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong). Its rate of theft is about 90%. Do we really want the United States of America to resemble China? Can't we in the West live by a higher and better standard than China?
In blunt terms, the anonymous submitter who began this discussion is dreadfully wrong when he implies that the United States of America (USA) is equivalent to totalitarian states like China (which includes Taiwan and Hong Kong) that emphasize military spending. Military spending in the USA is geared towards protecting lives. For example, in the Serbian military conflict (in which the Chinese supported the Serbians committing gross human-rights atrocities against the Kosovars in Kosovo), the Americans went out of their way to use precision military technology to destroy only military targets and to avoid hitting civilian targets like hospitals and schools .
We all can agree that merely needing weapons suggests the dreadful state of human affairs. Weapons are a necessary evil. Someone must develop them. That "someone" might as well be Westerners because we need them to safeguard the finest civilization known to human history.
Even the Japanese have awoken to this reality. Unlike the militaristic Chinese (which includes Taiwanese and Hong Kongers), the Japanese are extreme pacifists and have a constitution that forbids the use of force to settle overseas conflicts. However, after (1) the recent launching of nuclear-capable missiles by the North Koreans and (2) the recent confirmation of North Koreans kidnapping Japanese, Japanese policy makers are realizing the importance of developing state-of-the-art weapons systems. For the first time in recent memory, the Japanese are initiating discussions with the Americans on researching and building an impenetrable missile shield as soon as possible.