Here's those 2008 DNC rules from pdf and google cache links, Billy Bob Sumdumass..
13. FAIR REFLECTION OF PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCES
A. Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participant
What part "fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference" are you not capable of understanding?
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
Here's some others, too. You remember the rules that say Florida was not allowed to move it's primary up to Jan 29th 2008? Yeah. Them. The ones Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida because Florida broke the rules set by Democratic Party regarding the primary schedule.
Clinton broke her word, campaigned in Florida anyway, and then tried to force Howard Dean to change DNC rules and count Florida delegates that were derived from a process that that made Obama honored his word while soiled herself? Howard Dean and The DNC refused to change the rules the Clintons had tantrrums demanding the rules be changed for them
You didn't back up shit other than the other than the fact you have been called a racist by others a whole lot in the past. That's the least surprising revelation on this thread.
You better get back to your trailer park, Billy Bob. Aren't you missing some NASCAR qualifiers on FOX Speed Channel?
Oh... and as for sumdumass' claims "Obama scares me," that looks like more of that one and only talking point the neo-cons have left......see how many ways Republicans can put the word "scary" and the name of a black man in the same sentence.
You are free to disagree. You are not free to have your own facts, though.
I was paying very close attention to the process, and as I didn't support either in the primaries (both too centrist for me), so I had no dog in the primary fight.
Obama ran an excellent campaign and beat the Clintons fair and square. Howard Dean enforced the party as they were written. The Clintons were ones trying to overturn the will of Democratic Party members nationwide by appealing to DNC Superdelegates to overturn the rightful Democratic Party nominee as chosen by Democratic primary and caucus voters across the country.
You must be sumdumass if you think I'm going to let you get away with claiming that some shadowy backroom figure is pulling Obama's strings at the same time you are claiming shadowy backroom DNC superdelegates had the right to overturn the clear voter's choice of the Democratic Presidential nomination at the end of the primary process.
I didn't vote for Bill Clinton in the 1992 Democratic primary myself.
However, in the general election, Bill Clinton had shown he was a capable national leader by running successful national campaign to win the Democratic nomination.
A successful campaign to win a major Party's Presidential nomination is a more than adequate demonstration of executive leadership ability.
Small town mayors and small state governors might have a certain x quantity of time on their resumes in the category of executive experience. But so do Pizza Hut managers.
I wouldn't for a moment consider either a small town mayors, small state governors, or a Pizza Hut managers to have the type of QUALITY of leadership experience required to seek national office.
It not just Sarah Palin that epic failed trying to move from small town mayor / governor to national candidate. Unfortunately, so did VT Gov. Howard Dean. Dean's horrible performance even with his orange hatted legions on the ground in the Iowa caucuses proved he had no large organization leadership experience. Now, with 4 years experience as Nat'l Party chair, Dean might be ready to seek national office today. Palin clearly isn't close to being ready for the national stage.
Obama, on the other hand, ran campaign organizations first in a large chunk of Chicago, then the state of Illinois, and then lead his national Presidential campaign to beat the Clintons nationally.
Nowhere did I say Bin Laden wasn't on the Top Ten Fugitives list.
I said "Osama Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI FOR THE ATTACKS OF 9/11."
He's not.
Read Bin Laden listing onu the FBI website. What crimes is Bin Laden wanted by the FBI for?
"USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD."
The Embassy Bombings. Not one word about 9/11.
Why? Because they know they have no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.
Why?
Because they know the Fat Osama tape wasn't just a fake, it was a bad fake that would get laughed out of court if someone attempted to use it as evidence.
Go look at the the FBI website. Osama Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for the attacks of 9/11.
Fat Osama only fooled easily lead sheep who are also fooled by other blatantly ridiculous shit... like faith healers such as Benny Hinn, speaking in tongues, and fools who claim cavemen and dinosaurs were on the Earth at the same time a few thousand years ago.
There's lots of security schemes to protect valuables. Every one of them has been defeated at one point or another except for the FDR Admin. plan to keep the US Gold Depository safe. They stored the gold beside a US Army tank brigade. There's an Air Cav regiment there too now. They could put that gold bullion in a pile in an open field and still nobody will touch it. Nobody is going to screw with the tanks that are right next to the gold.
No. he sure didn't, did he? Well.. the next time you don't go making Stalin comparisons until someone has killed a million of their own people at a minimum. I mean... there are standards here.
In fact, what actually happened was Karl Rove took a trip to the Crimea to meet with the Saakashvili, the President of Georgia, and then Georgia gets a wild hair up their ass right after Karl Rove left the Crimea and started bombing civilian targets within S. Ossetia without provocation.
"...Since Karl Rove skipped out on his subpoena to appear before the House Judiciary Committee last month, the whereabouts of Bushâ(TM)s longtime political strategist have emergedâ"Rove was in Crimea, Ukraine, for the fifth annual Yalta European Strategy summit. Also in attendance: former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. Hereâ(TM)s an excerpt from his panel discussion about how U.S. policy toward Ukraine would change, if at all, after Novemberâ(TM)s American presidential elections...."
Putin actually reacted to stop Georgia from bombing civilian targets in S. Ossetia
Bush and Cheney told you they wanted another war before the election. They haven't been allowed to invade Iran like they wanted to, so they had to arrange a different war... between Georgia and Russia.
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"A Byte of Python Introduction
"A Byte of Python" is a book on programming using the Python language. It serves as a tutorial or guide to the Python language for a beginner audience. If all you know about computers is how to save text files, then this is the book for you...."
That's one's in 5 different formats and 16 different foreign languages
When you look at Sarah Palin's resume, this scandal is the only thing on it.
Mayor of town of 6000, fell into the Governor's Mansion due to luck making her the only Republican public official in the Alaska Republican Party that wasn't under indictment. In a year and a half as governor, she's already managed to get in a scandal herself.
Don't even try to compare this Alaska beauty queen mayor of a town of 6000 with Obama.
Don't EVEN go there.
Let's start talking about McCain's judgement. McCain thinks if he dies, Sarah Palin should be sitting across a negotiations table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia.
Let's talk about what this shows about McCain's judgment.
If McCain drops dead walking home from the Inauguration, McCain has chosen this hockey mom who doesn't even know what the duties the Vice President are, to have a young Air Force officer with a "football" walking around behind her wherever she goes for the next 3+ years.
You want bad judgment, there's McCain's bad judgment . He'd risk throwing this country in to the hands of some beauty queen Biblical literalist Alaska mayor of a town of 6000 to sit across the table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia... McCain would put this county at that kind of risk in order to pull a "Hail Mary" political stunt.
Looks like McCain is the one we need to be asking those questions about bad judgment.
At the instant of collapse, debris was being blown out of site of collapse at a high rate of speed.
As can be seen from in every single picture one looks at of the collapse, the direction of the energy of the event was out and away from the area of collapse as it moved down the length of the WTC buildings...... like a series of... wait for it... explosions.
So what you're telling is YOU'RE scientifically illiterate and you never should have joined in this discussion. You can't participate in the discussion when you comprehend basic scientific vocabulary.
Oh, and the link to the Jones paper has been on the thread in several places, but I'll post it again...
âoeWas the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? ⦠NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.â NIST Responses to FAQs, August 2006 The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has had considerable difficulty determining a politically correct sequence of events for the unprecedented destruction of three World Trade Center (WTC) buildings on 9/11 (Douglas 2006, Ryan 2006, Gourley 2007). But despite a number of variations in NISTâ(TM)s story, it never considered explosives or pyrotechnic materials in any of its hypotheses. This omission is at odds with several other striking facts; first, the requirement of the national standard for fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other pyrotechnics, and second, the extensive experience NIST investigators have with explosive and thermite materials. One of the most intriguing aspects of NISTâ(TM)s diversionary posture has been their total lack of interest in explosive or pyrotechnic features in their explanations. Despite the substantial evidence for the use of explosives at the WTC (Jones 2006, Legge and Szamboti 2007), and the extensive expertise in explosives among NIST investigators (Ryan 2007), explosives were never considered in the NIST WTC investigation. Only after considerable criticism of this fact did NIST deign to add one small disclaimer to their final report on the towers, suggesting they found no evidence for explosives. The extensive evidence that explosives were used at the WTC includes witness testimony (MacQueen 2006), overwhelming physical evidence (Griffin 2005, Hoffman et al 2005, Jones and Legge et al 2008) and simple common sense (Legge 2007). There is also substantial evidence that aluminothermic (thermite) materials were present at the WTC (Jones 2007), and the presence of such materials can explain the existence of intense fire where it would not otherwise have existed. Additionally, despite agreement from all parties that the assumed availability of fuel allowed for the fires in any given location of each of the WTC buildings to last only twenty minutes (NIST 2007), the fires lasted much longer and produced extreme temperatures (Jones and Farrer et al 2008). These inexplicable fires are a reminder that the WTC buildings were not simply demolished, but were demolished in a deceptive way. That is, the buildings were brought down so as to make it look like the impact of the planes and the resulting fires might have caused their unprecedented, symmetrical destruction. Therefore, shaped charges and other typical explosive configurations were likely used, but there was more to it than that. Those committing the crimes needed to create fire where it would not have existed otherwise, and draw attention toward the part of the buildings where the planes impacted (or in the case of WTC 7, away from the building altogether).
This was most probably accomplished through the use of nano-thermites, which are hightech energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005). The mixing is accomplished by adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called âoesolsâ, and then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000). The resulting âoesol-gelâ is then dried to form a porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways. The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels allows for the far
Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction Steven E. Jones1, Jeffrey Farrer2, Gregory S. Jenkins3, Frank Legge4, James Gourley, Kevin Ryan, Daniel Farnsworth, and Crockett Grabbe5. 1 S&J Scientific Co., Provo, Utah 2 Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 3 Physics Department, University of Maryland at College Park, Maryland 4 Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia 5 Department of Physics, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa Abstract In an effort to better understand the conditions that led to complete collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC 7, we apply scanning-electron-microscope (SEM) and energy dispersive x-ray spectroscopy (XEDS) methods to analyze the dust generated, with an emphasis on observed micro-spheres in the WTC dust. The formation of molten spheres with high iron contents along with other species in the WTC dust required extremely high temperatures. Our results are compared with those of other laboratories. The temperatures required for the molten sphere-formation and evaporation of materials as observed in the WTC dust are significantly higher than temperatures associated with the burning of jet fuel and office materials in the WTC buildings. 1. Introduction The events of 9/11/2001 were tragic and at the same time remarkable in their physical aspects, such as the completeness and rapidity of collapse of three skyscrapers and the large volume of fine toxic dust generated. In order to better understand these events, we obtained and examined two independent dust samples acquired very soon after 9/11/2001. The provenance of the two samples analyzed for this paper is described in the appendix. It is worth emphasizing that both of the samples were collected indoors and shortly after the 9/11/2001 event. One sample was collected on an indoor window sill on 9/14/2001, just three days after the disaster while searching for survivors in the rubble was ongoing, and in a building four blocks from ground zero. The other sample was acquired inside a fourth-floor apartment (whose upper windows broke during the WTC collapse) a few days later. We sought for samples acquired very soon after the collapses in order to drastically reduce any chance of contamination by clean-up operations (see Appendix). Furthermore, as we shall see, samples independently collected by other researchers corroborate the high-temperature indicators we observe. 2. Methods A FEI XL30-SFEG scanning electron microscope (SEM) equipped with an EDAX Genesis X-ray energy dispersive spectrometry (XEDS) system was used to acquire XEDS spectra. A silicon detector (SiLi) with resolution better than 135 eV was used. The display resolution was set to 10 eV per channel. The operating conditions for the dust analyses were 20 keV, and 60-120 second acquisition time (livetime). The samples were analyzed at a 10 millimeter working distance and were mounted on carbon conductive tabs. Optical examination of the dust samples was conducted using a stereomicroscope (Nikon Epiphot 200) having a magnification range from 10-200X. 3. Results We found an abundance of tiny solidified droplets roughly spherical in shape (spherules) in the WTC dust samples as shown in figure 1 (optical microscope) and figure 2 (Scanning Electron Microscope).
The spherules found in the WTC dust were predominately iron-rich (appearing metallic) and silicates (appearing glassy under an optical microscope). We observed spherules in a wide range of diameters, from about 1 micron to 1.5 mm. Figures 3 -5 provide X-ray energy dispersive spectra for observed iron-rich spherules from the WTC dust.
Figure 3. XEDS spectrum for a typical metal-rich spherule, observed in sample 1. K and L lines for noted elements are labeled. Elemental contents in atomic percent are approximately: O (63), Si (14), Fe (11), Al (9), K (1), Mg (0.4), Na (0.4), Ni (0.3) and S (0.2); the
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Passenger Seating Configuration
Typical 3-class 181
Typical 2-class 224
Typical 1-class up to 255 Cargo 2,925 cu ft (82.9 cu m) Engines 2 maximum thrust Pratt & Whitney PW4000 60,200 lb
GE CF6-80C262,100 lb
Maximum Fuel Capacity 23,980 U.S. gal (90,770 L) Maximum Takeoff Weight 395,000 lb (179,170 kg) Maximum Range 6,590 nautical miles (12,200 km)
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No "building being dropped on another building" pulverization nonsense happened.
As the picture clearly shows, the atomized debris dust preceded the collapse. The dust and debris is being blown out of the site of the initial area of collapse at a high rate of speed such as one would expect to see when explosives have been used.
My, my, my. How you do hate real physical scientific evidence.
That seismic evidence isn't going anywhere. Neither is this..."
-The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks.
-ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees (1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns) Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."
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Here's those 2008 DNC rules from pdf and google cache links, Billy Bob Sumdumass..
What part "fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference" are you not capable of understanding?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fapache.3cdn.net%2F3e5b3bfa1c1718d07f_6rm6bhyc4.pdf&ei=OHkBSZ6sJ4nOtQOz0o2ECw&usg=AFQjCNHMLpm_nv77Ju2BtG77Ud_wkLSadA&sig2=RjRu3Sjm2gwuWgPc8Qjozw
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:pcvk4kSKzqMJ:s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/3e5b3bfa1c1718d07f_6rm6bhyc4.pdf+dnc+rules+superdelegates&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
Here's some others, too. You remember the rules that say Florida was not allowed to move it's primary up to Jan 29th 2008? Yeah. Them. The ones Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida because Florida broke the rules set by Democratic Party regarding the primary schedule.
Clinton broke her word, campaigned in Florida anyway, and then tried to force Howard Dean to change DNC rules and count Florida delegates that were derived from a process that that made Obama honored his word while soiled herself? Howard Dean and The DNC refused to change the rules the Clintons had tantrrums demanding the rules be changed for them
You didn't back up shit other than the other than the fact you have been called a racist by others a whole lot in the past. That's the least surprising revelation on this thread.
You better get back to your trailer park, Billy Bob. Aren't you missing some NASCAR qualifiers on FOX Speed Channel?
Oh... and as for sumdumass' claims "Obama scares me," that looks like more of that one and only talking point the neo-cons have left... ...see how many ways Republicans can put the word "scary" and the name of a black man in the same sentence.
You are free to disagree. You are not free to have your own facts, though.
I was paying very close attention to the process, and as I didn't support either in the primaries (both too centrist for me), so I had no dog in the primary fight.
Obama ran an excellent campaign and beat the Clintons fair and square. Howard Dean enforced the party as they were written. The Clintons were ones trying to overturn the will of Democratic Party members nationwide by appealing to DNC Superdelegates to overturn the rightful Democratic Party nominee as chosen by Democratic primary and caucus voters across the country.
You must be sumdumass if you think I'm going to let you get away with claiming that some shadowy backroom figure is pulling Obama's strings at the same time you are claiming shadowy backroom DNC superdelegates had the right to overturn the clear voter's choice of the Democratic Presidential nomination at the end of the primary process.
I didn't vote for Bill Clinton in the 1992 Democratic primary myself.
However, in the general election, Bill Clinton had shown he was a capable national leader by running successful national campaign to win the Democratic nomination.
A successful campaign to win a major Party's Presidential nomination is a more than adequate demonstration of executive leadership ability.
Small town mayors and small state governors might have a certain x quantity of time on their resumes in the category of executive experience. But so do Pizza Hut managers.
I wouldn't for a moment consider either a small town mayors, small state governors, or a Pizza Hut managers to have the type of QUALITY of leadership experience required to seek national office.
It not just Sarah Palin that epic failed trying to move from small town mayor / governor to national candidate. Unfortunately, so did VT Gov. Howard Dean. Dean's horrible performance even with his orange hatted legions on the ground in the Iowa caucuses proved he had no large organization leadership experience. Now, with 4 years experience as Nat'l Party chair, Dean might be ready to seek national office today. Palin clearly isn't close to being ready for the national stage.
Obama, on the other hand, ran campaign organizations first in a large chunk of Chicago, then the state of Illinois, and then lead his national Presidential campaign to beat the Clintons nationally.
Learn to read what is written on a thread.
Nowhere did I say Bin Laden wasn't on the Top Ten Fugitives list.
I said "Osama Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI FOR THE ATTACKS OF 9/11."
He's not.
Read Bin Laden listing onu the FBI website. What crimes is Bin Laden wanted by the FBI for?
"USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD."
The Embassy Bombings. Not one word about 9/11.
Why? Because they know they have no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.
Why?
Because they know the Fat Osama tape wasn't just a fake, it was a bad fake that would get laughed out of court if someone attempted to use it as evidence.
And you think somehow the FBI is incapable of adding additional charges to those already on the Most Wanted List?
If the FBI wanted to charge Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, the charges would be there.
And you think murders that happen in NYC and DC aren't domestic crimes?
Go look at the the FBI website. Osama Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for the attacks of 9/11.
Fat Osama only fooled easily lead sheep who are also fooled by other blatantly ridiculous shit... like faith healers such as Benny Hinn, speaking in tongues, and fools who claim cavemen and dinosaurs were on the Earth at the same time a few thousand years ago.
There's lots of security schemes to protect valuables. Every one of them has been defeated at one point or another except for the FDR Admin. plan to keep the US Gold Depository safe. They stored the gold beside a US Army tank brigade. There's an Air Cav regiment there too now. They could put that gold bullion in a pile in an open field and still nobody will touch it. Nobody is going to screw with the tanks that are right next to the gold.
No. he sure didn't, did he? Well.. the next time you don't go making Stalin comparisons until someone has killed a million of their own people at a minimum. I mean... there are standards here.
In fact, what actually happened was Karl Rove took a trip to the Crimea to meet with the Saakashvili, the President of Georgia, and then Georgia gets a wild hair up their ass right after Karl Rove left the Crimea and started bombing civilian targets within S. Ossetia without provocation.
"...Since Karl Rove skipped out on his subpoena to appear before the House Judiciary Committee last month, the whereabouts of Bushâ(TM)s longtime political strategist have emergedâ"Rove was in Crimea, Ukraine, for the fifth annual Yalta European Strategy summit. Also in attendance: former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili. Hereâ(TM)s an excerpt from his panel discussion about how U.S. policy toward Ukraine would change, if at all, after Novemberâ(TM)s American presidential elections...."
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080815_karl_roves_ukranian_sojourn/
Putin actually reacted to stop Georgia from bombing civilian targets in S. Ossetia
Bush and Cheney told you they wanted another war before the election. They haven't been allowed to invade Iran like they wanted to, so they had to arrange a different war... between Georgia and Russia.
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"A Byte of Python
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That's one's in 5 different formats and 16 different foreign languages
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When you look at Sarah Palin's resume, this scandal is the only thing on it.
Mayor of town of 6000, fell into the Governor's Mansion due to luck making her the only Republican public official in the Alaska Republican Party that wasn't under indictment. In a year and a half as governor, she's already managed to get in a scandal herself.
Don't even try to compare this Alaska beauty queen mayor of a town of 6000 with Obama.
Don't EVEN go there.
Let's start talking about McCain's judgement. McCain thinks if he dies, Sarah Palin should be sitting across a negotiations table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia.
Let's talk about what this shows about McCain's judgment.
If McCain drops dead walking home from the Inauguration, McCain has chosen this hockey mom who doesn't even know what the duties the Vice President are, to have a young Air Force officer with a "football" walking around behind her wherever she goes for the next 3+ years.
You want bad judgment, there's McCain's bad judgment . He'd risk throwing this country in to the hands of some beauty queen Biblical literalist Alaska mayor of a town of 6000 to sit across the table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia... McCain would put this county at that kind of risk in order to pull a "Hail Mary" political stunt.
Looks like McCain is the one we need to be asking those questions about bad judgment.
Effects of possible compression were minimal
As you can plainly see in this picture...
http://www.waarheid911.nl/wtc2collapse.jpg
At the instant of collapse, debris was being blown out of site of collapse at a high rate of speed.
As can be seen from in every single picture one looks at of the collapse, the direction of the energy of the event was out and away from the area of collapse as it moved down the length of the WTC buildings... ... like a series of... wait for it... explosions.
Are you scientifically illiterate?
I just posted in the above post the results of a study done in the UK that says it doesn't.
So what you're telling is YOU'RE scientifically illiterate and you never should have joined in this discussion. You can't participate in the discussion when you comprehend basic scientific vocabulary.
Oh, and the link to the Jones paper has been on the thread in several places, but I'll post it again...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf
The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and
Nano-Thermites
Kevin R. Ryan, 7-02-08
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf
âoeWas the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? ⦠NIST did not test for the
residue of these compounds in the steel.â
NIST Responses to FAQs, August 2006
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has had considerable
difficulty determining a politically correct sequence of events for the unprecedented
destruction of three World Trade Center (WTC) buildings on 9/11 (Douglas 2006, Ryan
2006, Gourley 2007). But despite a number of variations in NISTâ(TM)s story, it never
considered explosives or pyrotechnic materials in any of its hypotheses. This omission is
at odds with several other striking facts; first, the requirement of the national standard for
fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other
pyrotechnics, and second, the extensive experience NIST investigators have with
explosive and thermite materials.
One of the most intriguing aspects of NISTâ(TM)s diversionary posture has been their total
lack of interest in explosive or pyrotechnic features in their explanations. Despite the
substantial evidence for the use of explosives at the WTC (Jones 2006, Legge and
Szamboti 2007), and the extensive expertise in explosives among NIST investigators
(Ryan 2007), explosives were never considered in the NIST WTC investigation. Only
after considerable criticism of this fact did NIST deign to add one small disclaimer to
their final report on the towers, suggesting they found no evidence for explosives.
The extensive evidence that explosives were used at the WTC includes witness testimony
(MacQueen 2006), overwhelming physical evidence (Griffin 2005, Hoffman et al 2005,
Jones and Legge et al 2008) and simple common sense (Legge 2007). There is also
substantial evidence that aluminothermic (thermite) materials were present at the WTC
(Jones 2007), and the presence of such materials can explain the existence of intense fire
where it would not otherwise have existed. Additionally, despite agreement from all
parties that the assumed availability of fuel allowed for the fires in any given location of
each of the WTC buildings to last only twenty minutes (NIST 2007), the fires lasted
much longer and produced extreme temperatures (Jones and Farrer et al 2008).
These inexplicable fires are a reminder that the WTC buildings were not simply
demolished, but were demolished in a deceptive way. That is, the buildings were brought
down so as to make it look like the impact of the planes and the resulting fires might have
caused their unprecedented, symmetrical destruction. Therefore, shaped charges and
other typical explosive configurations were likely used, but there was more to it than that.
Those committing the crimes needed to create fire where it would not have existed
otherwise, and draw attention toward the part of the buildings where the planes impacted
(or in the case of WTC 7, away from the building altogether).
This was most probably accomplished through the use of nano-thermites, which are hightech
energetic materials made by mixing ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum and UFG
metal oxides; usually iron oxide, molybdenum oxide or copper oxide, although other
compounds can be used (Prakash 2005, Rai 2005). The mixing is accomplished by
adding these reactants to a liquid solution where they form what are called âoesolsâ, and
then adding a gelling agent that captures these tiny reactive combinations in their
intimately mixed state (LLNL 2000). The resulting âoesol-gelâ is then dried to form a
porous reactive material that can be ignited in a number of ways.
The high surface area of the reactants within energetic sol-gels allows for the far
Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction .
Steven E. Jones1, Jeffrey Farrer2, Gregory S. Jenkins3, Frank Legge4, James Gourley, Kevin Ryan,
Daniel Farnsworth, and Crockett Grabbe5.
1 S&J Scientific Co., Provo, Utah
2 Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
3 Physics Department, University of Maryland at College Park, Maryland
4 Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia
5 Department of Physics, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Abstract
In an effort to better understand the conditions that led to complete collapses of the World Trade Center
Towers and WTC 7, we apply scanning-electron-microscope (SEM) and energy dispersive x-ray
spectroscopy (XEDS) methods to analyze the dust generated, with an emphasis on observed micro-spheres
in the WTC dust. The formation of molten spheres with high iron contents along with other species in the
WTC dust required extremely high temperatures. Our results are compared with those of other laboratories.
The temperatures required for the molten sphere-formation and evaporation of materials as observed in the
WTC dust are significantly higher than temperatures associated with the burning of jet fuel and office
materials in the WTC buildings.
1. Introduction
The events of 9/11/2001 were tragic and at the same time remarkable in their physical aspects, such as the
completeness and rapidity of collapse of three skyscrapers and the large volume of fine toxic dust
generated. In order to better understand these events, we obtained and examined two independent dust
samples acquired very soon after 9/11/2001. The provenance of the two samples analyzed for this paper is
described in the appendix. It is worth emphasizing that both of the samples were collected indoors and
shortly after the 9/11/2001 event. One sample was collected on an indoor window sill on 9/14/2001, just
three days after the disaster while searching for survivors in the rubble was ongoing, and in a building four
blocks from ground zero. The other sample was acquired inside a fourth-floor apartment (whose upper
windows broke during the WTC collapse) a few days later. We sought for samples acquired very soon
after the collapses in order to drastically reduce any chance of contamination by clean-up operations (see
Appendix). Furthermore, as we shall see, samples independently collected by other researchers corroborate
the high-temperature indicators we observe.
2. Methods
A FEI XL30-SFEG scanning electron microscope (SEM) equipped with an EDAX Genesis X-ray energy
dispersive spectrometry (XEDS) system was used to acquire XEDS spectra. A silicon detector (SiLi) with
resolution better than 135 eV was used. The display resolution was set to 10 eV per channel. The operating
conditions for the dust analyses were 20 keV, and 60-120 second acquisition time (livetime). The samples
were analyzed at a 10 millimeter working distance and were mounted on carbon conductive tabs. Optical
examination of the dust samples was conducted using a stereomicroscope (Nikon Epiphot 200) having a
magnification range from 10-200X
3. Results
We found an abundance of tiny solidified droplets roughly spherical in shape (spherules) in the WTC dust
samples as shown in figure 1 (optical microscope) and figure 2 (Scanning Electron Microscope).
The spherules found in the WTC dust were predominately iron-rich (appearing metallic) and silicates
(appearing glassy under an optical microscope). We observed spherules in a wide range of diameters, from
about 1 micron to 1.5 mm. Figures 3 -5 provide X-ray energy dispersive spectra for observed iron-rich
spherules from the WTC dust.
Figure 3. XEDS spectrum for a typical metal-rich spherule, observed in sample 1.
K and L lines for noted elements are labeled. Elemental contents in atomic percent
are approximately: O (63), Si (14), Fe (11), Al (9), K (1), Mg (0.4), Na (0.4), Ni
(0.3) and S (0.2); the
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Stats on the Boeing jets from Boeing.com
"
Advanced 707-320B
Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m)
Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m)
Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2)
Gross Weight 336,000 pounds (152,400 kg)
Cruising Speed 607 mph (977 km/h)
Range 6,160 miles (9,913 km)
Service Ceiling 36,000 feet (10,973 m)
Power Four Pratt & Whitney JT3D turbofans of 18,000 pounds thrust each
Passenger Cabin 141 passengers mixed class or a maximum of 189 all economy"
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/707family/product.html [boeing.com]
"Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 767-200ER
Passenger Seating Configuration
Typical 3-class 181
Typical 2-class 224
Typical 1-class up to 255
Cargo 2,925 cu ft (82.9 cu m)
Engines 2
maximum thrust
Pratt & Whitney PW4000 60,200 lb
GE CF6-80C262,100 lb
Maximum Fuel Capacity 23,980 U.S. gal (90,770 L)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 395,000 lb (179,170 kg)
Maximum Range 6,590 nautical miles (12,200 km)
Typical city pairs:
New York to Beijing
Typical Cruise Speed at 35,000 feet Mach 0.80 (530 mph, 851 kph)
Basic Dimensions
Wing Span 156 ft 1 in (47.6 m)
Overall Length 159 ft 2 in (48.5 m)
Tail Height 52 ft (15.8 m)
Interior Cabin Width 15 ft 6 in (4.7 m)"
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_200prod.html [boeing.com]
707 is 85-90% of 767 spec in all key areas.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Stats on the Boeing jets from Boeing.com
"
Advanced 707-320B
Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m)
Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m)
Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2)
Gross Weight 336,000 pounds (152,400 kg)
Cruising Speed 607 mph (977 km/h)
Range 6,160 miles (9,913 km)
Service Ceiling 36,000 feet (10,973 m)
Power Four Pratt & Whitney JT3D turbofans of 18,000 pounds thrust each
Passenger Cabin 141 passengers mixed class or a maximum of 189 all economy"
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/707family/product.html
"Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 767-200ER
Passenger Seating Configuration
Typical 3-class 181
Typical 2-class 224
Typical 1-class up to 255
Cargo 2,925 cu ft (82.9 cu m)
Engines 2
maximum thrust
Pratt & Whitney PW4000 60,200 lb
GE CF6-80C262,100 lb
Maximum Fuel Capacity 23,980 U.S. gal (90,770 L)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 395,000 lb (179,170 kg)
Maximum Range 6,590 nautical miles (12,200 km)
Typical city pairs:
New York to Beijing
Typical Cruise Speed at 35,000 feet Mach 0.80 (530 mph, 851 kph)
Basic Dimensions
Wing Span 156 ft 1 in (47.6 m)
Overall Length 159 ft 2 in (48.5 m)
Tail Height 52 ft (15.8 m)
Interior Cabin Width 15 ft 6 in (4.7 m)"
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_200prod.html
Now as this picture shows...
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-3d/6-19_wtc2-collapsing.jpg
No "building being dropped on another building" pulverization nonsense happened.
As the picture clearly shows, the atomized debris dust preceded the collapse. The dust and debris is being blown out of the site of the initial area of collapse at a high rate of speed such as one would expect to see when explosives have been used.
Now you're just flinging feces hoping some fabrication or insult will stick.
Bad form.
My, my, my. How you do hate real physical scientific evidence.
That seismic evidence isn't going anywhere. Neither is this..."
-The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks.
-ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees (1000 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns) Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."