Well catharsis and other arguments have been used wrt pornography and violence in TV. Except that we HAVE become more violent and less able to have good relationships. Now, I don't assume that TV and videogames and porn sites are the culprits, but I am pretty certain that they don't work the other way as I have heard for decades.
Before you jump to conclusions, I have no probs with porn games and tv, I realize that governments are using them as excuses, to give the pretense they care for their citizens. They yet have to demonstrate they do think of the citizen.
You know, if they built society like programmers build good code (locality, efficiency, modularity) I'd STFU, but they are making the equivalent of spaghetti code in both the economic and law systems. And when you see spaghetti code, either the guy is incompetent (which should have terminated his career way earlier if we speak of world government) or wants his role to be vital for that code to function.
And corruption. Let a system grow complex enough, and the little guys won't be able to accomplish anything, because they won't have the money, the cronies, or the will to compromise, to make the rusty wheels of the broken system turn. It happened in IT with the introduction of *silly* patents (I have nothing against patenting things that a couple random programmers can't replicate in a weekend).
Like, say, the byzantine empire, such systems usually imploded, people stop giving a damn about defending it. But now we have technology and such a broken system can go on for eternity because computers and robots don't get demotivated. We may fear computers that get too intelligent, but the problem is with the not-smart-enough ones.
I am for giving the money to the original author, in this case, but realize that having commercial interest is in general irrelevant. Example: I put up a business as a scribe. Hieroglyphs, ok? Then y'all are "stealing from me, causing lost sales" by using the roman alphabet, which anybody can decode, instead of coming to me for my services. Does it make any sense?
> It might be a bit easier to change the terms Well photoshopping (and printing back on the original, i guess?) can only add, this can subtract, it's a huge step forward. I guess the ablated portions will be detectable though.
The big thing will be intelligent toner nanoparticles:)
Putting criminals together in the same place and not monitoring them 24h (aren't we monitoring the ordinary citizens more than criminals?) means: jail is an academy for criminals. A sane society would be damaging itself by not fighting crime, but another kind of society may need criminals to do the dirty jobs in exchange for money, a society based on money may need crime to strip people of excess money and keep them thinking about getting to the end of the month instead of having their needs satisfied and them wondering how things work in politics, economy, arts. Does this happen to us? Then cops keep criminals under control so they don't get too powerful, laws keep cops under control, corruption keeps laws under control.
Here in Italy they are discussing amnesty, mere years after one was granted, for the same reasons: it's obvious that a remedy that lands you back at square one is a failure, but not obvious to politicians. Now, we can believe that people able to change things do not understand cause and effect, ok. But I'll take ANY crackpot theory over the theory that idiots rule the world, I see the latter not happening in the small so it can't be happening at the top, the ladder that is based on nothing can't stand. The idiots are there on top, but they are not the rulers.
I agree, I think that nothing prevented the former administration from getting decent hardware. If they lived with a broken system they wanted it. The new guy should have taken it all, put in a room sealed it and never thought about it again, IMHO, for the same reason.
If you contribute back changes, there is no need for code audit, as the functionality and bugs will be those you contributed. If somebody notices different functionality, and you don't want to contribute, that is VIOLATING the license, then shame on you. Problems? "write your own damn code", kthxbye.
> So... the ability to fork an open-source project is a good thing until someone actually has the nerve to do so?
No... the ability to use the modifications of a LGPL project is a good thing and someone with the power of Apple should have made their own contributions very easy to understand instead of sending big diffs, to show they care.
Kudos to Apple when they contribute back useful code, to be fair.
The past story with khtml webkit, and the recent story about apple-only planned features in CUPS, and the general attitude of big and small commercial entities towards free software, should make people just a little wary.
I'd have bet on supply problems. Always innovating, geekphone, and other manufacturers other than pandora had similar problems.
A new company might overlook some details ending up in delays, the factories might be giving priority to big clients and go out of their way to not displease them, or maybe open hardware running open software is the #1 enemy for the modern models of marketing which rely on planned obsolescence. We ought to look whether startup hardware companies selling cheap closed stuff go on without problems selling their toys or suffer similar inconvenients.
But we agree on that, those who report become suspect now, those who don't become suspect maybe later, that's exactly what I was talking about, maximisation of power. (at least, many friends of mine that happen to be policemen do that) The single policeman might try his best to be respected, starting with good manners, but the system they are part of doesn't care about respect. It cares about control.
Note that I don't hate the individuals who are part of the system, (those friends of mine that happen to be policemen are good people, even). Responsibility is always personal, thinking otherwise means hating categories, which means being more subsceptible to be manipulated by the aforementioned system.
At first sight, this behaviour from the police is self detrimental, because people who report stuff are useful and alienating them makes criminals safer.
In truth this behaviour maximises the control of police over both people and their own work. Over people, because those who didn't report and are later discovered become automatically suspects, so they can be threatened. Over their own work, because nobody can accuse them of failing to investigate or succeed in their investigation after a report, if nobody reports.
If you expect people in power finding ways to maximise control, no matter under what flag, religion, or ideology, you usually explain things better than the theory that incompetence reigns over c.
People like Rush Limbaugh are given free reign on media, so that scientists can see people passively follow one "opinion maker" or one of the other camp, after being conditioned by TV for generations, and conclude that "we are immature" for democracy.
Maybe the truth is, democratic systems were just an intermediate state from the reigns of the bullies (kingdoms) to the reign of the thieves (plutocracies, even if those using that term were less than recommendable). Once all the unjust web of aristocratic privileges has been demolished, the new leaders build a parallel one best suited to their interests.
After all, in its astronomic definition, a "revolution" represents a movement along an orbital trajectory ending up in the same place it started.
Then, win7 sucks. I guess you searched the internet archive, and compensated for the different amount of pages back in that time? I didn't need to do that as IE started first and sold parallel to chrome later.
Well, whoever rose up to wield any significant amount of power learned also to steer their potential opposition to harmless or self-destructing activities. It is not like a game of chess, it is like checkers, a banal move to do, the "panem et circenses" way, or the "emmanuel goldstein"way.
You feel like you have to deal with tattoos, drugs, loud music, DDoS, fight with police, and be a loner to be against the system? Doesn't all that make you easier to be sorted out from the "ordinary sheep" instead?
I use . to separate between words, and the FF search box on iceweasel
9.0.2 on debian sid Today, same setup ie.crashes has 27.900.000 and chrome.crashes 6.090.000 and ff.crashes 4.750.000
I am confident enough it was 30000000 when I wrote the comment because I ran it twice (I was surprised by the result myself) FF lands me to the italian version of google because of my location.
If anything, this glitch shows that for serious things we should revert to usenet ASAP;)
You don't even have to imply anything about their behaviour. In fact since they are the good guys they have nothing to hide, so they should be recordable.
Now, there are corner cases where, say, an undercover cop would be exposed if a film of him in operation is PUBLISHED. But that's another matter. Let first citizen record whatever they want and use it to defend themselves in court. Let them also be responsible of all the damages they indirectly cause if the release of film to the publc damages some cop, which last time I checked is a citizen too and has equal rights).
> I can't but agree. If you're serious about developing applications for a mac, then going through the app store won't be a big deal.
It's a huge deal. Has apps been pulled for suspect reasons in the past? what when the idea of a mandatory app store is sedimented? Now most people don't fully buy the concept, I'm talking IRL not in the world of internet media.
Well it's not like devs have much choice. Only big sw makers with multiplatform suites covering vertical market can oppose, and not forever. Old school Personal Computing is a pain in the ass for the system, MS and Apple and Google are moving, hardware makers are in bed with them. I'll get an abacus.
And, compared to other moves, this one isn't particularly evil. The standard of sony's evil would have been to raise the prices 30 mins BEFORE she died.
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Well catharsis and other arguments have been used wrt pornography and violence in TV. Except that we HAVE become more violent and less able to have good relationships. Now, I don't assume that TV and videogames and porn sites are the culprits, but I am pretty certain that they don't work the other way as I have heard for decades.
Before you jump to conclusions, I have no probs with porn games and tv, I realize that governments are using them as excuses, to give the pretense they care for their citizens. They yet have to demonstrate they do think of the citizen.
You know, if they built society like programmers build good code (locality, efficiency, modularity) I'd STFU, but they are making the equivalent of spaghetti code in both the economic and law systems. And when you see spaghetti code, either the guy is incompetent (which should have terminated his career way earlier if we speak of world government) or wants his role to be vital for that code to function.
And corruption. Let a system grow complex enough, and the little guys won't be able to accomplish anything, because they won't have the money, the cronies, or the will to compromise, to make the rusty wheels of the broken system turn. It happened in IT with the introduction of *silly* patents (I have nothing against patenting things that a couple random programmers can't replicate in a weekend).
Like, say, the byzantine empire, such systems usually imploded, people stop giving a damn about defending it. But now we have technology and such a broken system can go on for eternity because computers and robots don't get demotivated. We may fear computers that get too intelligent, but the problem is with the not-smart-enough ones.
I am for giving the money to the original author, in this case, but realize that having commercial interest is in general irrelevant.
Example: I put up a business as a scribe. Hieroglyphs, ok? Then y'all are "stealing from me, causing lost sales" by using the roman alphabet, which anybody can decode, instead of coming to me for my services.
Does it make any sense?
> It might be a bit easier to change the terms
Well photoshopping (and printing back on the original, i guess?) can only add, this can subtract, it's a huge step forward. I guess the ablated portions will be detectable though.
The big thing will be intelligent toner nanoparticles :)
Putting criminals together in the same place and not monitoring them 24h (aren't we monitoring the ordinary citizens more than criminals?) means: jail is an academy for criminals.
A sane society would be damaging itself by not fighting crime, but another kind of society may need criminals to do the dirty jobs in exchange for money, a society based on money may need crime to strip people of excess money and keep them thinking about getting to the end of the month instead of having their needs satisfied and them wondering how things work in politics, economy, arts. Does this happen to us?
Then cops keep criminals under control so they don't get too powerful, laws keep cops under control, corruption keeps laws under control.
Here in Italy they are discussing amnesty, mere years after one was granted, for the same reasons: it's obvious that a remedy that lands you back at square one is a failure, but not obvious to politicians. Now, we can believe that people able to change things do not understand cause and effect, ok. But I'll take ANY crackpot theory over the theory that idiots rule the world, I see the latter not happening in the small so it can't be happening at the top, the ladder that is based on nothing can't stand. The idiots are there on top, but they are not the rulers.
I agree, I think that nothing prevented the former administration from getting decent hardware. If they lived with a broken system they wanted it. The new guy should have taken it all, put in a room sealed it and never thought about it again, IMHO, for the same reason.
If you contribute back changes, there is no need for code audit, as the functionality and bugs will be those you contributed. If somebody notices different functionality, and you don't want to contribute, that is VIOLATING the license, then shame on you. Problems? "write your own damn code", kthxbye.
> So... the ability to fork an open-source project is a good thing until someone actually has the nerve to do so?
No... the ability to use the modifications of a LGPL project is a good thing and someone with the power of Apple should have made their own contributions very easy to understand instead of sending big diffs, to show they care.
Kudos to Apple when they contribute back useful code, to be fair.
The past story with khtml webkit, and the recent story about apple-only planned features in CUPS, and the general attitude of big and small commercial entities towards free software, should make people just a little wary.
I'd have bet on supply problems.
Always innovating, geekphone, and other manufacturers other than pandora had similar problems.
A new company might overlook some details ending up in delays, the factories might be giving priority to big clients and go out of their way to not displease them, or maybe open hardware running open software is the #1 enemy for the modern models of marketing which rely on planned obsolescence.
We ought to look whether startup hardware companies selling cheap closed stuff go on without problems selling their toys or suffer similar inconvenients.
But we agree on that, those who report become suspect now, those who don't become suspect maybe later, that's exactly what I was talking about, maximisation of power.
(at least, many friends of mine that happen to be policemen do that)
The single policeman might try his best to be respected, starting with good manners, but the system they are part of doesn't care about respect. It cares about control.
Note that I don't hate the individuals who are part of the system, (those friends of mine that happen to be policemen are good people, even). Responsibility is always personal, thinking otherwise means hating categories, which means being more subsceptible to be manipulated by the aforementioned system.
..ommon sense.
At first sight, this behaviour from the police is self detrimental, because people who report stuff are useful and alienating them makes criminals safer.
In truth this behaviour maximises the control of police over both people and their own work. Over people, because those who didn't report and are later discovered become automatically suspects, so they can be threatened. Over their own work, because nobody can accuse them of failing to investigate or succeed in their investigation after a report, if nobody reports.
If you expect people in power finding ways to maximise control, no matter under what flag, religion, or ideology, you usually explain things better than the theory that incompetence reigns over c.
Bullseye-
People like Rush Limbaugh are given free reign on media, so that scientists can see people passively follow one "opinion maker" or one of the other camp, after being conditioned by TV for generations, and conclude that "we are immature" for democracy.
Maybe the truth is, democratic systems were just an intermediate state from the reigns of the bullies (kingdoms) to the reign of the thieves (plutocracies, even if those using that term were less than recommendable). Once all the unjust web of aristocratic privileges has been demolished, the new leaders build a parallel one best suited to their interests.
After all, in its astronomic definition, a "revolution" represents a movement along an orbital trajectory ending up in the same place it started.
Then, win7 sucks. I guess you searched the internet archive, and compensated for the different amount of pages back in that time? I didn't need to do that as IE started first and sold parallel to chrome later.
The point was that ie crashes, by experience, not prejudice. Chrome and google's variable hits are an aside.
Well, whoever rose up to wield any significant amount of power learned also to steer their potential opposition to harmless or self-destructing activities. It is not like a game of chess, it is like checkers, a banal move to do, the "panem et circenses" way, or the "emmanuel goldstein"way.
You feel like you have to deal with tattoos, drugs, loud music, DDoS, fight with police, and be a loner to be against the system? Doesn't all that make you easier to be sorted out from the "ordinary sheep" instead?
I use . to separate between words, and the FF search box on iceweasel
9.0.2 on debian sid
Today, same setup
ie.crashes has 27.900.000
and chrome.crashes 6.090.000
and ff.crashes 4.750.000
I am confident enough it was 30000000 when I wrote the comment because I ran it twice (I was surprised by the result myself)
FF lands me to the italian version of google because of my location.
If anything, this glitch shows that for serious things we should revert to usenet ASAP ;)
Prejudice: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
Facts, or better, google hits:
ie.crashes -> 27800000 results
chrome.crashes -> 35000000 results
ff.crashes -> 4.740.000 firefox.crashes ->1.810.000
So, according to Google itself, IE IS crashy, Chrome IS crashier.
You don't even have to imply anything about their behaviour. In fact since they are the good guys they have nothing to hide, so they should be recordable.
Now, there are corner cases where, say, an undercover cop would be exposed if a film of him in operation is PUBLISHED. But that's another matter. Let first citizen record whatever they want and use it to defend themselves in court. Let them also be responsible of all the damages they indirectly cause if the release of film to the publc damages some cop, which last time I checked is a citizen too and has equal rights).
he said "the government", not "the dictator"...
It is interesting that "antisocial behaviour" is punished by preventing communication. I guess sexual misconduct is punished with inflatable dolls?
>Euros: But half a loaf of bread...
You are going to be ass-raped. But only on mondays, wednesdays, and fridays. I guess that's ok for you.
Did you forget the part about silly patents intentionally? you are missing one big part of the issue.
If downloading is theft, scare tactics are terrorism. Selective newspeak is not allowed.
> I can't but agree. If you're serious about developing applications for a mac, then going through the app store won't be a big deal.
It's a huge deal. Has apps been pulled for suspect reasons in the past? what when the idea of a mandatory app store is sedimented? Now most people don't fully buy the concept, I'm talking IRL not in the world of internet media.
Well it's not like devs have much choice. Only big sw makers with multiplatform suites covering vertical market can oppose, and not forever. Old school Personal Computing is a pain in the ass for the system, MS and Apple and Google are moving, hardware makers are in bed with them. I'll get an abacus.
And, compared to other moves, this one isn't particularly evil. The standard of sony's evil would have been to raise the prices 30 mins BEFORE she died.