Well since the apple personal computers which lost to the IBM PC were open platforms, I think apple has one more handicap this time. OTOH in the 80s being hip meant having the most capable equipment, while now it's more about marketing.
I surely hope we don't equate the holocaust to the earth position because then it would become a matter of point of view. IMHO geometrically speaking you probably can take the earth as fixed and the universe revolving around it, and all the phenomenons like wind, coriolis acceleration and stuff should hold anyway. Maybe the centrifugal force applied on bodies on the surface would prove if we are rotating or not but that would require knowing the mass of the earth. I guess our current estimate is derived from g hypothesizing a rotation;D
Arguing against a fixed earth is like arguing against solipsism. The only weak argument is about asymmetry. Why i imagine other bodies similar to mine? or back to the earth, why does the other planet revolve around a star, why there is the milky way instead of a more pleasing distribution of stars.....
As for the meaning of the earth as the center of the universe or man as the objective of creation, I think that if you proclaim yourself a believer then from your POV science just weeds out wrong interpretations of the scriptures, so I don't see the point of going against science. Try to learn what the god you believe as existing meant with the phrases he inspired people to write. I don't think the apostles insisted that a temple was literally rebuilt in three days, no?
And the only way in which the vaccines are different is that about 30 years ago, they removed the junk in them that the hysterical antivaccinites were claiming causes autism, with no effect on the actual autism rates...
Also, trying to reply to all the followups, which contradict one another:
- does the fact that they are suppressed and not gone change one bit of what I said? the point is not being effective on the disease BUT being effective and not cause bad collateral effects. Else, a lethal dose of poison cures diseases too, more effectively than anything else. The focus must be on the well being of people, not anything else.
Since 0% collateral effects is impossible in practice, those who get vaccination should have a honest estimate of their chances to get the disease vs their chances to get collateral effects. Could be that a polio vaccination is a good idea while a flu one isn't. Could be that blanket vaccination campaigns might be statistically more harmful than focused ones following outbursts of disease.
Could be that nobody has the incentive to cure a disease if vaccinations as they are performed now yield more profit, so there ought to be a way to put research for cures above the one for treatments and vaccinations.
> All that documented history of vaccines wiping out smallpox, and nearly wiping out polio...... tells us those vaccines were effective (some deniers might say effective as a rock that keeps tigers away but the burden of proof is theirs).
The point is that todays vaccines are different, past performance is irrelevant. People are not different, past performance is relevant.
Of course the GP might be trolling us but a one time account of something that did not get logged and reported is way more interesting than a one time correlation. Even if previous studies find no connection between vaccines and autism, new cases should be investigated or at least logged, since tech advancement means every year we are exposed to new chemicals and waves on new frequencies. Corner cases can still give insights and a life has too high a price to be overlooked.
In the war between vaccination campaigns and people who don't want 'em the victims seem to be Safer vaccines.
> For the most part, they want to tear down the civilization that our fathers and grandfathers built. They side with Hitler and the Aryans
Citation needed. I am no expert, but the denialists' stuff I came across did focus on practical things, not political. Maybe it's an indirect way to attack Jewish people, but censorship against a possible indirect attack is even more fascist.
Since the shit is stolen from monopoly abusers thieves which then exaggerate the damage to terrorize people and as a consequence keep law enforcement from going after bigger crimes, your argument doesn't hold much water. You are immoral if you pay them because you are supporting an immoral system. Google around, ask artists, see e.g. Courtney Love on piracy.
But, in a sense, I criticize pirates too, even if their immoral behavior makes less damage than the IP terrorists'. Piracy is not the answer. "Just Do Not Buy Their Stuff and consume/create something else and defend the right to access it" is the answer.
They won't bankrupt, as big media is a propaganda machine and will be financed some way or the other. But you won't forfeit your integrity with piracy. And if you are thinking "The hell with my integrity", I'm beginning to think that your reaction is anticipated and sought after. Making you a criminal means you won't be able to defend your rights if you step on the toes of powerful people, and making you forget about integrity removes barriers to the acceptance of the only law that stands when you remove all other laws: "the most powerful wins".
That's why I think anonymous is a great concept used as a great deception: I prefer to be moral, and piss off the real power.
he refers to nazi habits of firing to jews randomly. there are separate accounts of such scenes. If you however prefer shooting all deniers that's perfectly fine for his point.
As for denial, one victim is enough already. That settles it. Let them talk on the details as they want, they are details.
A society which makes you a culprit for giving your warped version of history instrad of the 99.99% likely warped official one is a fascist one. As long as you do not incite others to do crimes your speech oughta be free. In that regard your post is worse than holocaust denial.
I customize buttons position on linux, old macos almost got it right: close on one side, all the others at a safe distance. For even better usability I put title next to close so it's easier to spot what you are closing.
So the button issue is irrelevant to me, technically. It's relevant philosophically because canonical seem to want to make ubuntu an unique experience.
I used different distros, old ubuntu, sidux, arch a lil, sabayon a lil. They all look linux desktops, new ubuntu feels like a linux-based new experience. It adds a lot of polish i credit them for it but i feel disoriented. But ok, if ubuntu makes it easy for people to resist windows monoculture it is ok with me. Hopefully they stay close to the other distros communities, esp. deb based, so both parties can gain.
All mighty? WE created the law of gravity. It's our model to describe stuff. We hear a drum rhythm on the stereo, build a metronome that follows the rhythm closely, put it next to the speaker and proclaim: the rhythm obeys our metronome. May I say LOLWUT? I respect the act of measuring and building a matching metronome but that's about it. Is the rhythm sequenced or from a drummer? does the drummer follow a metronome himself? will he get tired and change? The metronome makers don't want to hear about these questions because it belittles their efforts. Some others are interested in the cult of the Drummer. Put all in perspective, believe what you want but be aware that it is a BELIEF.
Compiler warning: the concepts of WHO, CREATION, ALL MIGHTY are defined in our reality on our logic. They are not necessarily defined outside of it with a comparable meaning. Question is invalid. You gotta assume they are. Atheists have not the luxury to make assumptions else they become an alternative religion that needs belief in something you can't prove.
That leaves religions. If some of them speaks of a creator's creator it would be interesting.
As for the topic: Hawking discovers that the universe must exist according to a law that we, existing thinkers, have distilled from the behaviour of an existing universe. Cool but a bit circular, and depending on the same assumption that I pointed out earlier: Laws we discover just describe the universe, the universe does not obey laws defined INSIDE it. The universe might obey rules that are defined outside it, assuming that "obeying" and "law" are concepts that have a comparable meaning. Atheists have not the luxury to make assumptions. Well I maybe should say agnostics.
> realizes that the item is patented and drops the idea...
Anybody with a decent IQ would look up the patent to see:
- what's covered
- when it does expire (it might be soon, it might even be expired after the company released the product into the market)
This leaves dumb people with bright ideas out, but they were going to be screwed later on anyway:D
The whole story seems to demonstrate two things: 1 the patent system is again a fraud, earning $$ to people who don't contribute 2 punishment should be proportional to violation is a forgotten principle
In fact Science is a protocol to make the most out of observations, but empirical knowledge is the superset of experimental knowledge. Science supersedes it but empirical knowledge works for humans and animals since the dawn of time.
Besides, Science is about experimentation, publication, replication and validation of result, theories forming or being demolished because of such results.
But now?
We have NDAs, patents, trade secrets, corporate manipulation of the media,this is not the scientific process, this is a religion in disguise. "Believe our results".
To the guy dissing herbs, the origin of the medicament is irrelevant all it matters is its efficiency. If penicillin can cure and amanita muscaria can kill, natural stuff can have dramatic effects on health, obviously.
> stop tossing a fit when someone doesn't contribute back to it Not really tossing a fit.
Simply taking notice that MS uses free software for a strategically significant project like bing and does not contribute a dime. Again.
About your stuff about freedoms, which one is freer in your definition?
a society with no rules, where it is possible for a mob to form and drive people out their home OR a society with a rule like: you can't restrict other people's freedom?
If you talk the first one then s/freedom/anarchy so we can understand each other better.
A trap? but what can possibly go wrong for MS with mono? Mono will perpetually be playing catch up to whatever set of specifications Microsoft comes up with silverlight. If mono decided to stop following specifications and go solo, then it would have to provide a windows version competing against the guys who own the friggin closed source operating system. Unfeasible. There is no trap. More precisely, the trap has already snapped.
It could be there since linux 0.1, so what? all that it matters is that holes are patched when discovered or in the worst case when the first 0days exploits are detected.
Also thanks to the fact that there probably is no guy in business suit that decides when and if to disclose the vulnerability, I tend to think that this xorg problem was managed well enough.
It's the same government that let outsourcing happen. Why should they care about one industry and let entire sectors like manufacuring be lost?
I tell you. Entertainment has the double role of propaganda (proposing models for our youth, so they think they're against the system by spraying paint on walls or paying to get brain and ear damage, and measuring art and success in terms of $$$), and the trojan horse to push for IP laws. Intellectual property is just the big guys excuse to transform the virtual world into a market: in a purely virtual world a startup can compete with estabilished giants. When IP laws shape it, though, being first and being bigger begins to offer an advantage again like scale economy and banks covering your ass do in the real world.
Since ubuntu checks for updates isn't it enough to track the connection to the apt repositories to get a fairly good approximation of ubuntu usage?
Or, why not setting up a popularity contest as debian does and get some more already anonymized usage statistics from that?
I don't like this development, like I didn't like axing gimp while getting tomboy + mono in, and moving the default window buttons around. The System is fighting back, marketing guys take over.
The good thing of FOSS is that if canonical screws up one can fall back on debian or desktop oriented derivatives.
Sadly true. These retarded n00bs don't understand that you're not a gamer until you mastered Asteroids, Defender, Qix, Xevious, Crush Roller and Joust. A multiplayer FPS like UT or Sauerbraten and 1 driving simulation as icing on the cake. The rest is scarcely relevant.:D
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Well since the apple personal computers which lost to the IBM PC were open platforms, I think apple has one more handicap this time. OTOH in the 80s being hip meant having the most capable equipment, while now it's more about marketing.
I surely hope we don't equate the holocaust to the earth position because then it would become a matter of point of view. IMHO geometrically speaking you probably can take the earth as fixed and the universe revolving around it, and all the phenomenons like wind, coriolis acceleration and stuff should hold anyway. Maybe the centrifugal force applied on bodies on the surface would prove if we are rotating or not but that would require knowing the mass of the earth. I guess our current estimate is derived from g hypothesizing a rotation ;D
Arguing against a fixed earth is like arguing against solipsism. The only weak argument is about asymmetry. Why i imagine other bodies similar to mine? or back to the earth, why does the other planet revolve around a star, why there is the milky way instead of a more pleasing distribution of stars.....
As for the meaning of the earth as the center of the universe or man as the objective of creation, I think that if you proclaim yourself a believer then from your POV science just weeds out wrong interpretations of the scriptures, so I don't see the point of going against science. Try to learn what the god you believe as existing meant with the phrases he inspired people to write. I don't think the apostles insisted that a temple was literally rebuilt in three days, no?
Well you'll have to debunk stuff like this then.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49094
Also, trying to reply to all the followups, which contradict one another:
- does the fact that they are suppressed and not gone change one bit of what I said? the point is not being effective on the disease BUT being effective and not cause bad collateral effects.
Else, a lethal dose of poison cures diseases too, more effectively than anything else. The focus must be on the well being of people, not anything else.
Since 0% collateral effects is impossible in practice, those who get vaccination should have a honest estimate of their chances to get the disease vs their chances to get collateral effects. Could be that a polio vaccination is a good idea while a flu one isn't.
Could be that blanket vaccination campaigns might be statistically more harmful than focused ones following outbursts of disease.
Could be that nobody has the incentive to cure a disease if vaccinations as they are performed now yield more profit, so there ought to be a way to put research for cures above the one for treatments and vaccinations.
> All that documented history of vaccines wiping out smallpox, and nearly wiping out polio... ... tells us those vaccines were effective (some deniers might say effective as a rock that keeps tigers away but the burden of proof is theirs).
The point is that todays vaccines are different, past performance is irrelevant.
People are not different, past performance is relevant.
Of course the GP might be trolling us but a one time account of something that did not get logged and reported is way more interesting than a one time correlation. Even if previous studies find no connection between vaccines and autism, new cases should be investigated or at least logged, since tech advancement means every year we are exposed to new chemicals and waves on new frequencies. Corner cases can still give insights and a life has too high a price to be overlooked.
In the war between vaccination campaigns and people who don't want 'em the victims seem to be Safer vaccines.
> For the most part, they want to tear down the civilization that our fathers and grandfathers built. They side with Hitler and the Aryans
Citation needed. I am no expert, but the denialists' stuff I came across did focus on practical things, not political. Maybe it's an indirect way to attack Jewish people, but censorship against a possible indirect attack is even more fascist.
Since the shit is stolen from monopoly abusers thieves which then exaggerate the damage to terrorize people and as a consequence keep law enforcement from going after bigger crimes, your argument doesn't hold much water. You are immoral if you pay them because you are supporting an immoral system. Google around, ask artists, see e.g. Courtney Love on piracy.
But, in a sense, I criticize pirates too, even if their immoral behavior makes less damage than the IP terrorists'. Piracy is not the answer. "Just Do Not Buy Their Stuff and consume/create something else and defend the right to access it" is the answer.
They won't bankrupt, as big media is a propaganda machine and will be financed some way or the other.
But you won't forfeit your integrity with piracy. And if you are thinking "The hell with my integrity", I'm beginning to think that your reaction is anticipated and sought after. Making you a criminal means you won't be able to defend your rights if you step on the toes of powerful people, and making you forget about integrity removes barriers to the acceptance of the only law that stands when you remove all other laws: "the most powerful wins".
That's why I think anonymous is a great concept used as a great deception: I prefer to be moral, and piss off the real power.
This is slashdot: reproduction never happens.
he refers to nazi habits of firing to jews randomly. there are separate accounts of such scenes. If you however prefer shooting all deniers that's perfectly fine for his point.
As for denial, one victim is enough already. That settles it. Let them talk on the details as they want, they are details.
A society which makes you a culprit for giving your warped version of history instrad of the 99.99% likely warped official one is a fascist one. As long as you do not incite others to do crimes your speech oughta be free. In that regard your post is worse than holocaust denial.
I customize buttons position on linux, old macos almost got it right: close on one side, all the others at a safe distance. For even better usability I put title next to close so it's easier to spot what you are closing.
So the button issue is irrelevant to me, technically. It's relevant philosophically because canonical seem to want to make ubuntu an unique experience.
I used different distros, old ubuntu, sidux, arch a lil, sabayon a lil. They all look linux desktops, new ubuntu feels like a linux-based new experience. It adds a lot of polish i credit them for it but i feel disoriented. But ok, if ubuntu makes it easy for people to resist windows monoculture it is ok with me. Hopefully they stay close to the other distros communities, esp. deb based, so both parties can gain.
Also, dumping/recycling defective stuff and building replacements wastes resources and time.
All mighty? WE created the law of gravity. It's our model to describe stuff. We hear a drum rhythm on the stereo, build a metronome that follows the rhythm closely, put it next to the speaker and proclaim: the rhythm obeys our metronome. May I say LOLWUT? I respect the act of measuring and building a matching metronome but that's about it. Is the rhythm sequenced or from a drummer? does the drummer follow a metronome himself? will he get tired and change? The metronome makers don't want to hear about these questions because it belittles their efforts. Some others are interested in the cult of the Drummer.
Put all in perspective, believe what you want but be aware that it is a BELIEF.
> Well who created the all-mighty then?
Compiler warning: the concepts of WHO, CREATION, ALL MIGHTY are defined in our reality on our logic. They are not necessarily defined outside of it with a comparable meaning. Question is invalid. You gotta assume they are. Atheists have not the luxury to make assumptions else they become an alternative religion that needs belief in something you can't prove.
That leaves religions. If some of them speaks of a creator's creator it would be interesting.
As for the topic: Hawking discovers that the universe must exist according to a law that we, existing thinkers, have distilled from the behaviour of an existing universe. Cool but a bit circular, and depending on the same assumption that I pointed out earlier: Laws we discover just describe the universe, the universe does not obey laws defined INSIDE it. The universe might obey rules that are defined outside it, assuming that "obeying" and "law" are concepts that have a comparable meaning. Atheists have not the luxury to make assumptions. Well I maybe should say agnostics.
> realizes that the item is patented and drops the idea...
Anybody with a decent IQ would look up the patent to see:
- what's covered
- when it does expire (it might be soon, it might even be expired after the company released the product into the market)
This leaves dumb people with bright ideas out, but they were going to be screwed later on anyway :D
The whole story seems to demonstrate two things:
1 the patent system is again a fraud, earning $$ to people who don't contribute
2 punishment should be proportional to violation is a forgotten principle
In fact Science is a protocol to make the most out of observations, but empirical knowledge is the superset of experimental knowledge. Science supersedes it but empirical knowledge works for humans and animals since the dawn of time.
Besides, Science is about experimentation, publication, replication and validation of result, theories forming or being demolished because of such results.
But now?
We have NDAs, patents, trade secrets, corporate manipulation of the media,this is not the scientific process, this is a religion in disguise. "Believe our results".
To the guy dissing herbs, the origin of the medicament is irrelevant all it matters is its efficiency. If penicillin can cure and amanita muscaria can kill, natural stuff can have dramatic effects on health, obviously.
Ummm what if you are with an axe and demand the phone and the password? Maybe we are not considering some oldschool attacks :D
> stop tossing a fit when someone doesn't contribute back to it
Not really tossing a fit.
Simply taking notice that MS uses free software for a strategically significant project like bing and does not contribute a dime. Again.
About your stuff about freedoms, which one is freer in your definition?
a society with no rules, where it is possible for a mob to form and drive people out their home OR a society with a rule like: you can't restrict other people's freedom?
If you talk the first one then s/freedom/anarchy so we can understand each other better.
> Yeah...the clipboard is so basic. Linux will never be a desktop OS until the clipboard works.
LOL
parent comment selected and pasted here on my desktop linux sidux, which also features a working klipper by default.
on mac and win i always miss xorg way of select/paste using the mouse.
A trap? but what can possibly go wrong for MS with mono? Mono will perpetually be playing catch up to whatever set of specifications Microsoft comes up with silverlight. If mono decided to stop following specifications and go solo, then it would have to provide a windows version competing against the guys who own the friggin closed source operating system. Unfeasible. There is no trap. More precisely, the trap has already snapped.
And now that's has been submitted to slashdot the receiver doesn't even have to tune in :D
Your argument is as useful as "War helps camaraderie".
Please get a lil dose of actual impact of Microsoft on computing experience instead.
It could be there since linux 0.1, so what? all that it matters is that holes are patched when discovered or in the worst case when the first 0days exploits are detected.
Also thanks to the fact that there probably is no guy in business suit that decides when and if to disclose the vulnerability, I tend to think that this xorg problem was managed well enough.
It's the same government that let outsourcing happen. Why should they care about one industry and let entire sectors like manufacuring be lost?
I tell you. Entertainment has the double role of propaganda (proposing models for our youth, so they think they're against the system by spraying paint on walls or paying to get brain and ear damage, and measuring art and success in terms of $$$), and the trojan horse to push for IP laws. Intellectual property is just the big guys excuse to transform the virtual world into a market: in a purely virtual world a startup can compete with estabilished giants. When IP laws shape it, though, being first and being bigger begins to offer an advantage again like scale economy and banks covering your ass do in the real world.
Since ubuntu checks for updates isn't it enough to track the connection to the apt repositories to get a fairly good approximation of ubuntu usage?
Or, why not setting up a popularity contest as debian does and get some more already anonymized usage statistics from that?
I don't like this development, like I didn't like axing gimp while getting tomboy + mono in, and moving the default window buttons around. The System is fighting back, marketing guys take over.
The good thing of FOSS is that if canonical screws up one can fall back on debian or desktop oriented derivatives.
Sadly true. :D
These retarded n00bs don't understand that you're not a gamer until you mastered Asteroids, Defender, Qix, Xevious, Crush Roller and Joust. A multiplayer FPS like UT or Sauerbraten and 1 driving simulation as icing on the cake. The rest is scarcely relevant.