You should be modded down, 1) package managers are in most distrobutions, they aren't optional, and uninstalling them isn't going to buy you much except possible broken library chains. 2) You gonna install ALL your tools, software, games (I'm guessing) from source? Good luck with that. 3) I have experience with yum & aptitude, and both generally get the job done. I think all they would need to do is present the user with the ACTUAL name & version of the depend. the original package requires, not the name that is presented to the user currently. The biggest problem I see is this; foo_1.2 depends on libbar_4.7, but aptitude presents the dependancy as "bar 4.7", or "bar sdk", or worse, "bar tools" or something equally silly. If the devs would just write the code to pull up the actual name and ver of the library foo is looking for I think that would mitigate 90% of package hassles. This nessessarily is possible as aptitude (and yum I assume) must know the name and ver of the dependancy that is missing, so I don't understand why this isn't the case currently.
You need to understand that I've been around and owned a whole bunch of different hardware, from Sun, SGI, Apollo, IBM, DEC, and yes, Macintosh.
Lol... I need to understand that, huh? You're hardly in an exlusive club, pal. If we're going to start measuring hardware penii I'm sure I could match you connector for connector...
Icaza can still use gnu tools on the mac; is the point that he's gonna be a Mac pro-booster now or something? While I kind of get his gripe about package dependancy woes its nothing that outshines the frustrations I've felt on both mac & windows with regard to other aspects of theose respective os'. I also think the dependancy issue hassle can be mitigated or even nullified with one really simple change, I don't understand why the aptitude develooers don't do it, but anyway, it seems a little showy to me. Is it simply another headline grab?
1920's: "More and criminal elements use the telephone as an aid in thier criminal endevors. Machine Gun Kelly hs often been heard to contact his cronies to plan heists using the popular device."
The "Lightning" standard is a sham, I's always tried to avoid that spec where possible as a consumer. Apple wanted a smaller connector even though they supported the IEC's call for a micro USB charging standard. But as always they love locking their users into Apple's standard. The really interesting thing in all this is even after Apple's loyal fans all lost their older 30 pin accessories with Lightning Apple will probably obsolete it yet again for a new connector standard, even as USB 3.0 is well on everyone else's option array.
Remember the thing about "unintended consequences".
I absolutely agree, few laws get passed that don't screw some one else somewhere. But this is at least a step in the right direction. This action has been a long time coming and hopefully won't have many bad side effects.
Oh god, I thought they succeeded in doing some kind of Frankenstein's monster thing with electrodes and chemicals... they just stuck some wires and gizmos up the ass of a dead sparrow... big difference. Big relief imo...
No, its the equivalent of "Oh, bye the way, in addition to Coke we have Pepsi, Sprite, these marvelous ice chests, cool glasses with the Coke logo on them..."
I would say that they've then been beaten to THAT punch by many embedded systems developers. I'm not even going to cite teh urls. Embedded linux is not a mystery.
yeah... just now getting shared lib support? Am I supposed to be impressed, surprised, amused, perhaps scholastically challenged on a theoretical level...?
Don't be stupid. This research is funded by your tax dollars. The system before was that universities would do the research then "publish" the results by way of private publishing firms who then charge us to look at the papers. First, I'm pissed off that research *I* funded gets walled off from me. I don't know how many times I've searched for write-ups on code technology I thought might be useful to my efforts only to get cut off becuase the technology is question was behind a paywall. 2- YES, "outside the research community read the publications." 3- Seeing as how the federal government funds these efforts with mine (and presumably your) tax money it would be particularly galling to me to learn that they would simply transfer the profits of these papers from private firms to themselves. No, I prefer having full access to research that I payed for, thank you.
WRONG. These are research projects at universities and innoquious private firms and think tanks that range from how to grow sustainable fish populations to perpetual motion machines and other poppycock. Perfectly innocent and in some cases actually beneficial to people, as well as the idiotic. Its about damn time they started paying lip service to keeping publicly funded research in the public. The stuff you're talking about will never get public access anyway, nor was it meant to.
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You should be modded down, 1) package managers are in most distrobutions, they aren't optional, and uninstalling them isn't going to buy you much except possible broken library chains. 2) You gonna install ALL your tools, software, games (I'm guessing) from source? Good luck with that. 3) I have experience with yum & aptitude, and both generally get the job done. I think all they would need to do is present the user with the ACTUAL name & version of the depend. the original package requires, not the name that is presented to the user currently. The biggest problem I see is this; foo_1.2 depends on libbar_4.7, but aptitude presents the dependancy as "bar 4.7", or "bar sdk", or worse, "bar tools" or something equally silly. If the devs would just write the code to pull up the actual name and ver of the library foo is looking for I think that would mitigate 90% of package hassles. This nessessarily is possible as aptitude (and yum I assume) must know the name and ver of the dependancy that is missing, so I don't understand why this isn't the case currently.
You need to understand that I've been around and owned a whole bunch of different hardware, from Sun, SGI, Apollo, IBM, DEC, and yes, Macintosh.
Lol... I need to understand that, huh? You're hardly in an exlusive club, pal. If we're going to start measuring hardware penii I'm sure I could match you connector for connector...
Icaza can still use gnu tools on the mac; is the point that he's gonna be a Mac pro-booster now or something? While I kind of get his gripe about package dependancy woes its nothing that outshines the frustrations I've felt on both mac & windows with regard to other aspects of theose respective os'. I also think the dependancy issue hassle can be mitigated or even nullified with one really simple change, I don't understand why the aptitude develooers don't do it, but anyway, it seems a little showy to me. Is it simply another headline grab?
1920's: "More and criminal elements use the telephone as an aid in thier criminal endevors. Machine Gun Kelly hs often been heard to contact his cronies to plan heists using the popular device."
Um... when the Mac came out Apple was the only maker known for UI's... at least at the consumer level.
The "Lightning" standard is a sham, I's always tried to avoid that spec where possible as a consumer. Apple wanted a smaller connector even though they supported the IEC's call for a micro USB charging standard. But as always they love locking their users into Apple's standard. The really interesting thing in all this is even after Apple's loyal fans all lost their older 30 pin accessories with Lightning Apple will probably obsolete it yet again for a new connector standard, even as USB 3.0 is well on everyone else's option array.
Just like evolutional theory.
Remember the thing about "unintended consequences".
I absolutely agree, few laws get passed that don't screw some one else somewhere. But this is at least a step in the right direction. This action has been a long time coming and hopefully won't have many bad side effects.
Spacewar is probably a better example.
I would've modded you up if I could've. The jerks who modded you down are comically barren.
Oh god, I thought they succeeded in doing some kind of Frankenstein's monster thing with electrodes and chemicals... they just stuck some wires and gizmos up the ass of a dead sparrow... big difference. Big relief imo...
No, its the equivalent of "Oh, bye the way, in addition to Coke we have Pepsi, Sprite, these marvelous ice chests, cool glasses with the Coke logo on them..."
Firefox's almost completely automatic syncing feature has saved my ass more than once. That's why.
Firefox's near-autosyncing feature has saved my ass more than once. That's why.
Way to white knight the cause Carl. I'd vote for him.
MINIX is not trying to be Linux. MINIX is trying to be MINIX, and the exciting thing is that it is now succeeding!
So, "Run Forrest, run!" is more apropos of here than in any use that quote has ever been applied to before in any IT article...
I would say that they've then been beaten to THAT punch by many embedded systems developers. I'm not even going to cite teh urls. Embedded linux is not a mystery.
yeah... just now getting shared lib support? Am I supposed to be impressed, surprised, amused, perhaps scholastically challenged on a theoretical level...?
This is a US site discussino
Regardless, you are using the English language, not FoxNewspeak.
Really? Looks to me like gibbersish. Perhaps its MSNBC NewSpeak.
You cover it w/a shitload of mylittlepony stickers and your pimped. What else do you need, really?
Ha ha ha ha... lordy, you kids with your spelling and grammar fanatacism... both Richard Stallman and Jim Gosling are notoriously bad spellers.
Intertestingly this admin has been the murkiest and most expensive yet. War is peace, I guess.
Don't be stupid. This research is funded by your tax dollars. The system before was that universities would do the research then "publish" the results by way of private publishing firms who then charge us to look at the papers. First, I'm pissed off that research *I* funded gets walled off from me. I don't know how many times I've searched for write-ups on code technology I thought might be useful to my efforts only to get cut off becuase the technology is question was behind a paywall. 2- YES, "outside the research community read the publications." 3- Seeing as how the federal government funds these efforts with mine (and presumably your) tax money it would be particularly galling to me to learn that they would simply transfer the profits of these papers from private firms to themselves. No, I prefer having full access to research that I payed for, thank you.
WRONG. These are research projects at universities and innoquious private firms and think tanks that range from how to grow sustainable fish populations to perpetual motion machines and other poppycock. Perfectly innocent and in some cases actually beneficial to people, as well as the idiotic. Its about damn time they started paying lip service to keeping publicly funded research in the public. The stuff you're talking about will never get public access anyway, nor was it meant to.
Again, misleading. A drug dog sniffed drug residue on the money (from the very link cited). This is why the money was confiscated.