What about the situation where you didn't whitelist them because you didn't know the sender? Might be hard to know what to look for in the list. Sometimes you can scan the subjects, sure, but often the subjects aren't very descriptive. Spammers also have a tendency to use subjects like "About your order..."
I personally would be more likely to miss the one legit message in the junk folder...I suppose it's all about which method works best for you. I personally use dnsbls and spamassassin...gets almost all of my spam. Only 1 or 2 a week make it through, with very very rare false positives (maybe 1 out of 1000).
Another comment in this thread explained this already...many times the confirmation emails come from different domains then where you ordered from. This is particularly true with people who have other companies manage their online transactions.
Furthermore, as someone else pointed out wildcards in a whitelist seems pretty dumb to me. The whole point is to have each sender verify that their human...wildcards sort of defeats the purpose.
Maybe...however part of the problem now is that people get a lot more junk than legitamit messages.
Seems to me that wadding through a junk folder to find messages the spam filter missed, isn't a whole lot better than having the junk sent to you in the first place. You still have to wade through the same amount of junk...doesn't matter if it's one legit message or 100.
Not a bad idea, but it seems like it might be a bit of pain. The question is, is it worth all this effort to block spam? If the blocking methods are just as intrusive as the spam, then what's the point?
Why is everyone quibbling over this point? He's not saying that there aren't numbers in excess of 35 trillion that aren't named (i.e. 36 trillion). He's saying that the number of addresses is more than 35 trillion and it's so big there isn't a word for the number.
This of course isn't true it's ~340 undecillion...but that's a seperate point.
35 trillion is just an arbitrary value he picked...yes he could've picked 350 trillion...or a 1 quadrillion...or any other largish number to illustrate the point that it's a !%*#$ large number of addresses.
I don't know about you, but many people only have one cable company that serves them. In addition many of these people cannot get dsl. If that company decides to charge $50 per computer there isn't a whole lot you can do about it except drop broadband service.
Also, the reason why McDonalds doesn't charge $30.00 for a hamburger is because people wouldn't pay it. Even if McDonalds was the only fast food joint in town, most people wouldn't see a value in paying $30.00 for sandwich they could make much more cheaply at home. Why do you think McDonalds and every other fast food chain charges you $1.00 for a coke that consists entirely of water and about $.01 of coke syrup? Perhaps: because people will pay for it.
Ah, but the difference is that planning a murder at least implies intent to commit a crime. The problem here is that people just happen to fit a certain set of criteria.
Oh you have a smartcard reader you must be a criminal. Whether or not the person ever intended to pirate directTV isn't even a consideration here.
Trolling account? If you didn't care about karma you would not have posted as anonymous coward.
I can't believe you're too chicken to flame without your "real" account. The fact that you can't do it with your trolling account either is just pathetic.
I doubt it, I think people in shakespear's day were too concerned with trying to find food to worry about it. Besides most people didn't travel back then and since the language differences are regional I doubt they really even noticed much.
What do you expect them to do with a $38 Billion deficit? I don't understand that about this state...it's spend spend spend. California spends more per capita than any other state...thus it fits that the deficit is higher than every other states' entire budget except for New York. Taxes in California are quite high and yet we're $38 Billion in the hole. That's $1000 for every single person that lives in California. Where does the money go? Cars are majorly taxed...California has more million dollar homes than anywhere else in the country so I know they are raking it in via property taxes...sales taxes in the bay area are among the highest in the country. Yet state government is completely broke.
It sucks that education is being cut, but it certainly isn't the only thing being cut. Unfortunately, in light of how much we're currently taxed, the only real logical solution is quit spending so damn much (although I think they will have to raise taxes in addition to the cuts in order to make it, it won't do any good if they just spend more). This means cuts across the board. No more after school initiatives...no more issuing bonds to complete projects we can't afford, cuts to education, cuts to welfare, etc...
No one likes budget cuts, but it's the out of control spending that caused this problem in the first place. Cuts should've been made when the economy went south back in 2000. Now the budget is nothing short of a total disaster and drastic measures will need to be taken to get it under control.
I wouldn't say that...It's not contradictory to say that the correct pronounciation of something is how everyone says it, and that something is always pronounced a certain way. In fact both points compliment each other.
Gigabyte is correctly pronounced with a hard g because that's how everyone pronounces it.
Likewise the greek letter gamma is never pronounced with a j sound...this is because gamma is never pronounced with a j sound.
It's easy to see this is not a contractiction by replacing gamma with gigabyte.
(i.e.) The word gigabyte is (almost) never pronounced with a j sound.
Sure you could say jiggabyte...but since no one else does (even Doc Brown said jiggawatt not jiggabyte) it's wrong.
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The probability has nothing to do with the person. Regardless of what Monty is doing, it doesn't affect which door has the prize behind it.
Round in shape and attached in pair to the bottom of a load? Overcomes problems arising from pull-friction?
Sounds like testicles to me.
Kirk would know...he slept with them all.
Now I've just got to get a hold of some gold and equipment and I can make my own precious...me likes my precious...mmmm
What about the situation where you didn't whitelist them because you didn't know the sender? Might be hard to know what to look for in the list. Sometimes you can scan the subjects, sure, but often the subjects aren't very descriptive. Spammers also have a tendency to use subjects like "About your order..."
I personally would be more likely to miss the one legit message in the junk folder...I suppose it's all about which method works best for you. I personally use dnsbls and spamassassin...gets almost all of my spam. Only 1 or 2 a week make it through, with very very rare false positives (maybe 1 out of 1000).
Another comment in this thread explained this already...many times the confirmation emails come from different domains then where you ordered from. This is particularly true with people who have other companies manage their online transactions.
Furthermore, as someone else pointed out wildcards in a whitelist seems pretty dumb to me. The whole point is to have each sender verify that their human...wildcards sort of defeats the purpose.
Maybe...however part of the problem now is that people get a lot more junk than legitamit messages.
Seems to me that wadding through a junk folder to find messages the spam filter missed, isn't a whole lot better than having the junk sent to you in the first place. You still have to wade through the same amount of junk...doesn't matter if it's one legit message or 100.
Not a bad idea, but it seems like it might be a bit of pain. The question is, is it worth all this effort to block spam? If the blocking methods are just as intrusive as the spam, then what's the point?
Bzzzzt! Wrong!
Try reading the comment again:
"Bill notifications and software registration keys etc would all fall victim to this, as you will often not know ahead of time what to whitelist."
The problem illustrated here is that often times you don't know what address to whitelist, and hence can't add it ahead of time.
Um yeah...we're not lost...we just don't know where we are.
Why is everyone quibbling over this point? He's not saying that there aren't numbers in excess of 35 trillion that aren't named (i.e. 36 trillion). He's saying that the number of addresses is more than 35 trillion and it's so big there isn't a word for the number.
This of course isn't true it's ~340 undecillion...but that's a seperate point.
35 trillion is just an arbitrary value he picked...yes he could've picked 350 trillion...or a 1 quadrillion...or any other largish number to illustrate the point that it's a !%*#$ large number of addresses.
I don't know about you, but many people only have one cable company that serves them. In addition many of these people cannot get dsl. If that company decides to charge $50 per computer there isn't a whole lot you can do about it except drop broadband service.
Also, the reason why McDonalds doesn't charge $30.00 for a hamburger is because people wouldn't pay it. Even if McDonalds was the only fast food joint in town, most people wouldn't see a value in paying $30.00 for sandwich they could make much more cheaply at home. Why do you think McDonalds and every other fast food chain charges you $1.00 for a coke that consists entirely of water and about $.01 of coke syrup? Perhaps: because people will pay for it.
Ah, but the difference is that planning a murder at least implies intent to commit a crime. The problem here is that people just happen to fit a certain set of criteria.
Oh you have a smartcard reader you must be a criminal. Whether or not the person ever intended to pirate directTV isn't even a consideration here.
Unfortunately there's way too much prior art...even too much for the Patent Office to ignore.
I imagine it could affect network security by making it easier for crackers to gain enough computing power to crack encryption schemes.
Trolling account? If you didn't care about karma you would not have posted as anonymous coward.
I can't believe you're too chicken to flame without your "real" account. The fact that you can't do it with your trolling account either is just pathetic.
I don't get it...the man sits around for 9 months and then a woman comes along and poof a baby is born?
(1 woman + 1 man) * 9 months = 1 baby
Order of operations man! Gotta get those parenthesis right.
Don't forget it would have to incorporate a de-ionizer as well.
I doubt it, I think people in shakespear's day were too concerned with trying to find food to worry about it. Besides most people didn't travel back then and since the language differences are regional I doubt they really even noticed much.
What do you expect them to do with a $38 Billion deficit? I don't understand that about this state...it's spend spend spend. California spends more per capita than any other state...thus it fits that the deficit is higher than every other states' entire budget except for New York. Taxes in California are quite high and yet we're $38 Billion in the hole. That's $1000 for every single person that lives in California. Where does the money go? Cars are majorly taxed...California has more million dollar homes than anywhere else in the country so I know they are raking it in via property taxes...sales taxes in the bay area are among the highest in the country. Yet state government is completely broke.
It sucks that education is being cut, but it certainly isn't the only thing being cut. Unfortunately, in light of how much we're currently taxed, the only real logical solution is quit spending so damn much (although I think they will have to raise taxes in addition to the cuts in order to make it, it won't do any good if they just spend more). This means cuts across the board. No more after school initiatives...no more issuing bonds to complete projects we can't afford, cuts to education, cuts to welfare, etc...
No one likes budget cuts, but it's the out of control spending that caused this problem in the first place. Cuts should've been made when the economy went south back in 2000. Now the budget is nothing short of a total disaster and drastic measures will need to be taken to get it under control.
I wouldn't say that...It's not contradictory to say that the correct pronounciation of something is how everyone says it, and that something is always pronounced a certain way. In fact both points compliment each other.
Gigabyte is correctly pronounced with a hard g because that's how everyone pronounces it.
Likewise the greek letter gamma is never pronounced with a j sound...this is because gamma is never pronounced with a j sound.
It's easy to see this is not a contractiction by replacing gamma with gigabyte.
(i.e.) The word gigabyte is (almost) never pronounced with a j sound.
Sure you could say jiggabyte...but since no one else does (even Doc Brown said jiggawatt not jiggabyte) it's wrong.
I think a clean environment, an end to poverty, and no hunger or sickness would be much more inspirational.
Actually, yes.
Some of my favorite Lucas Arts Games are:
Grim Fandango
The Monkey Island Series
Loom
X-Wing
Tie Fighter
Dark Forces
Exactly what would a manned mission to Mars get us?
How about they spend that money on curing world hunger, cleaning up the environment, and/or medicine for poor people in 3rd world countries?
We probably should be cleaning up problems on our own planet before traveling to another one and screwing it up.
I don't know what a Tillian is..."Trillian" is a character in HHGTTG.