Sorry but your reasoning is all wet. All you have done is reiterate the History Of the Desktop according to Bill Gates. People want what MS tells them they want.
Never saw the movie, but read Ron Gularts novelization. How many people are familiar with Ron Gulart? Hard to imagine him novelizing any movie, let alone one like "Capricorn One".
Of course now you're lucky if you can even be a sheperd in the shithole muslim nations.
You'd also be lucky to be a sheperd in most developed countries. The last time I check, there were not a lot of job openings for shepherd where I am at in California. When jobs are available, you'd better have a degree in livestock managment.
Your view that middle eastern culture and science has somehow stagnated is highly myoptic. One of the good things about the embedded journelists during the latest golf war, was the fact that the reporters did not have a lot of choice in picking locations to film. We got to see what a middle eastern city realy looks like; from shopping areas, to industrial sections, to middle class residental neighborhoods. During the engament at Basra, the action was taking place at the edge of a commercial area. The scene would not have been out of place in any city in the southwest, where simular plants are used for landscaping. In fact it looked very much like the area south of Sky Harbour Airport(PHX) as viewed from the Salt River, down to the friggen Tamarisk trees used to shade the older warehouses!. The shopping areas could be the downtown of any city in the US. The backyard of the poor middleclass family, that was filmed being searched, looked like any western backyard, with its nicely mowed lawn and flower gardens along the boarders. Even those families in the north, who were sheltering in caves, had their TV with them. The TV was the very same make and model as the one in my living room. From what I saw, middle easteners are just like us where it matters, in how they live.
One more thing. There is not one field of math, science, or engineering that does not have valued contributors from the middle east.
As an artist and software designer currently involved with designing on-line games, I am very interested in the artistic potential of the media. I have done a lot of thinking over the last several months on this. Here are some of theroms I am working with, and a conclusion.
Art can be thought of as a system to abstract and highlight a point of view in some media as a mechinism to communicate.
Every artistic media has a natural vocabulary that is suitible for the range of that media.
Artist working in a media will develop extensions to the basic vocabulary. Sets of vocabulaties that are used as a system are often called styles. Styles do not need to map directly onto the natural characteristics of the media. I.e. the audience of the art will need some level of education in order to interpret that art. E.g., Nose bleeding and cat faces in Manga and Anime, or the mechinisms used to express action over time in cave art.
The more closely a piece of art maps onto the experienced reality of the audience, the less meaningfull it is. E.g. If I say to my friend, "The sky is blue.", he will shrug and think "So, what?" If on the other hand I say "The sun reflecting off those clouds over there is cool", he will be more engaged. That is because I pointed out somethings outside his experienced reality, namely, the clouds themselves, and the fact that I find them cool.
The effectivness of a piece of art is based on how well it engages its intended audience. In other words, its the intended audience that defines whether a piece of art is good or not.
One of the characteristics of effective art, is its ability to give the illusion of something that is not there. As an artist, I will put something light next to something dark in order to give the illusion of brightness.
On-line gaming is clearly an artform, but it also is still in its infancy.
The more a game maps onto the experienced reality of the player, the less engaging the game will be, and therefore, the less effective it is as art. Which means that it would not be found worthy by the academic arts. Worthiness is based on the richness of the vocabulary, the range of expression, and how well it engages the audience. So academic worthiness is a good thing. Saying that, I need to add that targeting academic acceptence as a goal is futile, as vocabulary and style is developed by the interaction of the artist, the media, and the intended audience. The academic arts community is a pretty limited audience to be developing an artform with!
So on-line gaming, and gaming in general, will become mature artforms of academic worth through natural processes. Forcing them to be acceptable will not work ( and would be a waste of time). That said, the involvment of interested members of the academic arts community could be a real asset in developing these new artforms.
P.S. A large portion of the academic arts community is made up of artists. Artsist are, by nature, boundry pushers. The story of art, is the story of pushing boundaries, and the academic arts community has been involved with that pushing. So type casting this community as some collection of hide bound traditionalist who are incapable of understanding anything new, is an error.
"We as a reseller feel that we want to protect our market," said Jay Davidow, a reseller with Winnipeg, Manitoba's Profit Master Canada Inc. "Giving away our software would not be a good business case."
The proprietary world would have created adequate alternatives to the GCC, had the free software not driven development tool companies out of that market, he noted. "You had companies that made developer tools, but where are they today? They don't exist."
I've been teaching myself Analysis, which requires me to have my logic and analytic circuits running at maximum. When I read this quote it hurt my head.
Green house gasses are not signifigantly raising global temps. Instead the energy they trap is making weather more dynamic. The last several decades have seen an increase in the severity of all sorts of weather phenomina. If windfarms could be built large enough to actualy remove enough kinetic energy to impact weather, then the solution would be to build more coal fired plants.
The trick will be to balance the number of windmill farms with the number of fossil fuel burning generation plants.
Are you one of those people who put a Sawsall on a 200 Foot 14 gauge extension cord and wonder why the motor fries? No, its not because the Sawsall is faulty.
A word of advice, Read The Featured Artical befor making idiotic posts.
2) From what I have seen, most OO reimplimentations of existing procedural systems are pretty good. Those that are not, are realy bad. I think most programmers, when faced with this task, pay a lot more attention to OOD principles. I think most C++ programmers tend to think more proceduraly. They identify the top level objects they are dealing with and start coding them up. As the start on the methods, they revert to procedural techniques instead of identifying lower level objects. This is what they are use to doing, it is how everyone else programms, and it is what they did for most of the coding they did in school. C++ allows, nay encourages this approch. It takes a lot of coding discipline to stay true to OOD in C++ when facing an overly agressive deadline.
1) Neither classes nor functions are objects. C++ is at its heart an OO abstraction layer to a procedural language. The Procedural underpinnings show through in many places.
Example:
Say there is a complex class A from which a set of classes B1,B2, etc. are derived. Class A needs to contain a method that modifies an object based on another object. E.g. b1.modify(b2) or b1.modify(b26) ( b1 is an object of class B1, etc).
I am not talking about EEs who have taken an intro to programming class using C++. I am talking about programmers, whos OOP language is C++. Many are so hung up on the mechanics of C++s Object models syntax, that they lose sight of the core concepts of the Object Based approch to programming. I created a large system in KSH. I used an OO approch. Another experienced programmer was assigned to help me with finalising, documenting, and deploying the system. At first, she was intimidated. At first glance, attempting to understand the system appeared daunting, but when looked at from an OOP perspective, it realy was quite simple. When I tried to explain the architechture, my coworker was baffeled "How can KSH be OOPish?". The structures where not what she expected of OOP. I finaly got her to understand that the directories were objects, the files where data, and the makefiles and scripts were methods, the scripts commandline parser provided polymorphism, and a couple of mechinisms provided inheritence. The creation of a directory structure with its included scripts and config files was instansiation, etc etc. When she looked at the system again, she immediatly understood how it worked. The problem was that my coworker had initialy confussed OOP with C++ syntax. I have experienced simular things from other C++ programers.
it's due to the fact that if you don't make everything a pointer/reference (like java), OO becomes more complicated.
I think this examplifies an inadequacy of C++. As I said befor, I learned OOP by implimenting OO concepts in C and Pascal using smalltalk as my guide. I did everything using pointers or refrences. In tend to agree with the Java crowd who claim that Java is C++ done right, even though I am not a big Java fan
2) Object orientation. I did OO with C++. I actually understood it with Python.
No suprise here:) C++ implimentation of OO is marginal to say the least. The syntax agrees to the letter of OO design, but not the spirit. The result is that most C++ code consists of procedural function dressed up in OO clothing. Many of the advantages of OOD can not be realised in C++ without some ugly code ( uglier then it already is). I learned OOP in the late 80s the hard way, by implementing all of the concepts and all of the philosophy in Pascal and C. I also learned Smalltalk, but without a Smalltalk enviroment, I could'nt do anything but read other peoples code. When I got my first C++ compiler in the early 90s, I was realy dissapointed. Unfortunatly, most people learn OOP vis C++, so they realy never quite get what OOP is all about. They also tend to confuse terminology with the underlaying concepts
CPAN beats nothing. For anything important in CPAN, a Pyhton equivalent can be found. The Python equivalent will most likely be of superior quality and easier to understand. Because, Python syntax is signifigantly cleaner the PERLs, Python scales to large projects far better then PERL.
Anyone who can't get use to indentation based block delimiters within a few minuets, ought not be programming in PERL. It demonstrates a complete lack of the programming discipline that is crucial for creating maintainable PERL code. This is examplified by the fact that most PERL code looks like shit.
Python is REAL OOP from the ground up. In fact its implimentation of Objects is far superior to C++s let alone PERLs. The very small set of uncommon methods that might be described as quirky ( using the broadest possible definition of quirky) far outweighs a language whos very syntax is quirky by almost everyones definition.
Unless you are writing something small (under 100 lines) that has absolutly no chance of expanding into a larger system, does not involve anything other then a rudimentary GUI, and is concerned mostly with text manipulation, stay away from PERL. In all regards, except quick and dirty text manipulation, Python is far better then PERL. The only scripting langage that has anything over Python is Ruby.
Because it FUCKING true, but to many morons like you still believe the media spin.
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An electric eel would be cool. Might fry some ICs though. But who cares about the MB when you got an Electric Eel Casemod. In fact, the fact that the fish frys the MB just adds to the coolness factor.
P.S. Just in (um) case anyone thinks of doing this, electric eels are large (1 to over 2 meters!), difficult to handle, voracious, and sensitive to bright light. Feed them live food at night, and provide places to hide.
In the write up, the modder stated that Neons were selected because of the wide tempurature range. If one were to keep Neons at a constant 28C, they would fade fairly fast. Cardinal Tetras are a much better choice and look simular.
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Most tropicals come from shady jungels. The average tempurature that tropicals like is 25C. There are quite a few exceptions, but in general most fishes in the Aquarium hobby should not be kept in water over 27C. Guppies are one fish that like it warm. Neon Tetras do not. Put them in 26C water and they will wilt.
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I would'nt call a clear hollow panel filled with toys and water an aquarium. Note, if anyone gets the idea to do something like this with real fish, be sure to use a titanium anode to pull the water to ground potential. Transient currents can play havoc with some fishes. Guppies probably would work best. They are pretty immune to current transients and can tollerate temps up to 35C. Guppies are also not bothered too much by light coming in at strange angels. One more point, concidering the small surface area, one will need to turn the water over at least 5 times/hour.
Maybe because they are a non-profit and have limited funds for doing such things. And don't give me "Well they should have been using automated tools". I'm more of a programmer then an Admin, yet even I know enough to get around any automated tool once I have root. The person who did this exploit knew what they were doing and used the exploit to do something rather subtile. I.e. they were carfull not trigger any alarms, so the intrusion was only detectible by a live person. And please note, this incident involed a very busy server accessed by a large number of people. Taking 4 months to find the intrusion is not suprising at all. If you could do better, I suggest you put your time where your typing finger is, and help out the FSF. Otherwise stop whining.
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Sorry, your wrong on both points.
Sorry but your reasoning is all wet. All you have done is reiterate the History Of the Desktop according to Bill Gates. People want what MS tells them they want.
Never saw the movie, but read Ron Gularts novelization. How many people are familiar with Ron Gulart? Hard to imagine him novelizing any movie, let alone one like "Capricorn One".
... and why should I trust what they say? They can't even survive a little /.ing, so I'm not impressed.
BS! Any programmer knows that the chance of making a mistake is related to the quality of the original code.
You'd also be lucky to be a sheperd in most developed countries. The last time I check, there were not a lot of job openings for shepherd where I am at in California. When jobs are available, you'd better have a degree in livestock managment.
Your view that middle eastern culture and science has somehow stagnated is highly myoptic. One of the good things about the embedded journelists during the latest golf war, was the fact that the reporters did not have a lot of choice in picking locations to film. We got to see what a middle eastern city realy looks like; from shopping areas, to industrial sections, to middle class residental neighborhoods. During the engament at Basra, the action was taking place at the edge of a commercial area. The scene would not have been out of place in any city in the southwest, where simular plants are used for landscaping. In fact it looked very much like the area south of Sky Harbour Airport(PHX) as viewed from the Salt River, down to the friggen Tamarisk trees used to shade the older warehouses!. The shopping areas could be the downtown of any city in the US. The backyard of the poor middleclass family, that was filmed being searched, looked like any western backyard, with its nicely mowed lawn and flower gardens along the boarders. Even those families in the north, who were sheltering in caves, had their TV with them. The TV was the very same make and model as the one in my living room. From what I saw, middle easteners are just like us where it matters, in how they live.
One more thing. There is not one field of math, science, or engineering that does not have valued contributors from the middle east.
Art can be thought of as a system to abstract and highlight a point of view in some media as a mechinism to communicate.
Every artistic media has a natural vocabulary that is suitible for the range of that media.
Artist working in a media will develop extensions to the basic vocabulary. Sets of vocabulaties that are used as a system are often called styles. Styles do not need to map directly onto the natural characteristics of the media. I.e. the audience of the art will need some level of education in order to interpret that art. E.g., Nose bleeding and cat faces in Manga and Anime, or the mechinisms used to express action over time in cave art.
The more closely a piece of art maps onto the experienced reality of the audience, the less meaningfull it is. E.g. If I say to my friend, "The sky is blue.", he will shrug and think "So, what?" If on the other hand I say "The sun reflecting off those clouds over there is cool", he will be more engaged. That is because I pointed out somethings outside his experienced reality, namely, the clouds themselves, and the fact that I find them cool.
The effectivness of a piece of art is based on how well it engages its intended audience. In other words, its the intended audience that defines whether a piece of art is good or not.
One of the characteristics of effective art, is its ability to give the illusion of something that is not there. As an artist, I will put something light next to something dark in order to give the illusion of brightness.
On-line gaming is clearly an artform, but it also is still in its infancy.
The more a game maps onto the experienced reality of the player, the less engaging the game will be, and therefore, the less effective it is as art. Which means that it would not be found worthy by the academic arts. Worthiness is based on the richness of the vocabulary, the range of expression, and how well it engages the audience. So academic worthiness is a good thing. Saying that, I need to add that targeting academic acceptence as a goal is futile, as vocabulary and style is developed by the interaction of the artist, the media, and the intended audience. The academic arts community is a pretty limited audience to be developing an artform with!
So on-line gaming, and gaming in general, will become mature artforms of academic worth through natural processes. Forcing them to be acceptable will not work ( and would be a waste of time). That said, the involvment of interested members of the academic arts community could be a real asset in developing these new artforms.
P.S. A large portion of the academic arts community is made up of artists. Artsist are, by nature, boundry pushers. The story of art, is the story of pushing boundaries, and the academic arts community has been involved with that pushing. So type casting this community as some collection of hide bound traditionalist who are incapable of understanding anything new, is an error.
I've been teaching myself Analysis, which requires me to have my logic and analytic circuits running at maximum. When I read this quote it hurt my head.
Great and all, but today one needs that degree just to get interviewed.
The trick will be to balance the number of windmill farms with the number of fossil fuel burning generation plants.
BTW, you'd make more impact if you learn to think.
A word of advice, Read The Featured Artical befor making idiotic posts.
1) Neither classes nor functions are objects. C++ is at its heart an OO abstraction layer to a procedural language. The Procedural underpinnings show through in many places.
Example:
Say there is a complex class A from which a set of classes B1,B2, etc. are derived. Class A needs to contain a method that modifies an object based on another object. E.g. b1.modify(b2) or b1.modify(b26) ( b1 is an object of class B1, etc).
I am not talking about EEs who have taken an intro to programming class using C++. I am talking about programmers, whos OOP language is C++. Many are so hung up on the mechanics of C++s Object models syntax, that they lose sight of the core concepts of the Object Based approch to programming. I created a large system in KSH. I used an OO approch. Another experienced programmer was assigned to help me with finalising, documenting, and deploying the system. At first, she was intimidated. At first glance, attempting to understand the system appeared daunting, but when looked at from an OOP perspective, it realy was quite simple. When I tried to explain the architechture, my coworker was baffeled "How can KSH be OOPish?". The structures where not what she expected of OOP. I finaly got her to understand that the directories were objects, the files where data, and the makefiles and scripts were methods, the scripts commandline parser provided polymorphism, and a couple of mechinisms provided inheritence. The creation of a directory structure with its included scripts and config files was instansiation, etc etc. When she looked at the system again, she immediatly understood how it worked. The problem was that my coworker had initialy confussed OOP with C++ syntax. I have experienced simular things from other C++ programers.
it's due to the fact that if you don't make everything a pointer/reference (like java), OO becomes more complicated.
I think this examplifies an inadequacy of C++. As I said befor, I learned OOP by implimenting OO concepts in C and Pascal using smalltalk as my guide. I did everything using pointers or refrences. In tend to agree with the Java crowd who claim that Java is C++ done right, even though I am not a big Java fan
Yah, we should all be programming in machine code.
No suprise here:) C++ implimentation of OO is marginal to say the least. The syntax agrees to the letter of OO design, but not the spirit. The result is that most C++ code consists of procedural function dressed up in OO clothing. Many of the advantages of OOD can not be realised in C++ without some ugly code ( uglier then it already is). I learned OOP in the late 80s the hard way, by implementing all of the concepts and all of the philosophy in Pascal and C. I also learned Smalltalk, but without a Smalltalk enviroment, I could'nt do anything but read other peoples code. When I got my first C++ compiler in the early 90s, I was realy dissapointed. Unfortunatly, most people learn OOP vis C++, so they realy never quite get what OOP is all about. They also tend to confuse terminology with the underlaying concepts
Anyone who can't get use to indentation based block delimiters within a few minuets, ought not be programming in PERL. It demonstrates a complete lack of the programming discipline that is crucial for creating maintainable PERL code. This is examplified by the fact that most PERL code looks like shit.
Python is REAL OOP from the ground up. In fact its implimentation of Objects is far superior to C++s let alone PERLs. The very small set of uncommon methods that might be described as quirky ( using the broadest possible definition of quirky) far outweighs a language whos very syntax is quirky by almost everyones definition.
Unless you are writing something small (under 100 lines) that has absolutly no chance of expanding into a larger system, does not involve anything other then a rudimentary GUI, and is concerned mostly with text manipulation, stay away from PERL. In all regards, except quick and dirty text manipulation, Python is far better then PERL. The only scripting langage that has anything over Python is Ruby.
Because it FUCKING true, but to many morons like you still believe the media spin.
P.S. Just in (um) case anyone thinks of doing this, electric eels are large (1 to over 2 meters!), difficult to handle, voracious, and sensitive to bright light. Feed them live food at night, and provide places to hide.
In the write up, the modder stated that Neons were selected because of the wide tempurature range. If one were to keep Neons at a constant 28C, they would fade fairly fast. Cardinal Tetras are a much better choice and look simular.
Most tropicals come from shady jungels. The average tempurature that tropicals like is 25C. There are quite a few exceptions, but in general most fishes in the Aquarium hobby should not be kept in water over 27C. Guppies are one fish that like it warm. Neon Tetras do not. Put them in 26C water and they will wilt.
I would'nt call a clear hollow panel filled with toys and water an aquarium. Note, if anyone gets the idea to do something like this with real fish, be sure to use a titanium anode to pull the water to ground potential. Transient currents can play havoc with some fishes. Guppies probably would work best. They are pretty immune to current transients and can tollerate temps up to 35C. Guppies are also not bothered too much by light coming in at strange angels. One more point, concidering the small surface area, one will need to turn the water over at least 5 times/hour.
They should'nt even be put down on paper.
Maybe because they are a non-profit and have limited funds for doing such things. And don't give me "Well they should have been using automated tools". I'm more of a programmer then an Admin, yet even I know enough to get around any automated tool once I have root. The person who did this exploit knew what they were doing and used the exploit to do something rather subtile. I.e. they were carfull not trigger any alarms, so the intrusion was only detectible by a live person. And please note, this incident involed a very busy server accessed by a large number of people. Taking 4 months to find the intrusion is not suprising at all. If you could do better, I suggest you put your time where your typing finger is, and help out the FSF. Otherwise stop whining.
Files uploded after exploit, therefor possibly compromised backups. Think befor you post moronic comments!
The post was'nt a troll, merely redundant; in the same way that "monsoon season" is redundant.