I am glad that someone is fighting for actual separation of church and state.
Why? We already have separation of Church and State. Can you name the church? I know of no Church-run State nor State-run Church in the United States.
For a better explanation of "separation of Church and State", try this page. It makes a very good point about the impossibility of having a "pluralistic society".
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The syscons driver allows the user to browse the output which has
``scrolled off'' the top of the screen.
Press the ``slock'' key (usually ScrllLock / Scroll Lock or Pause on many
keyboards) and the terminal is in the ``scrollback'' mode. It is indi-
cated by the Scroll Lock LED. Use the arrow keys, the Page Up/Down keys
and the Home/End keys to scroll buffered terminal output. Press the
``slock'' key again to get back to the normal terminal mode.
The size of the scrollback buffer can be set by the SC_HISTORY_SIZE
option described below.
I did not say otherwise. They could use Linux internally while still charging others to use the patents involved.
You contradict yourself. It doesn't matter wether the company contributed relevant code or anything at all when it comes to patents.
Read sections 7 and 8 of the GPL. These are the only two sections on patents. They discuss the distribution of GPL'd code. They do not talk about using the code.
Also, check this FAQ item. This is the version of "use" I am talking about.
But a patent holder is not allowed to use Linux and enforce patents against Linux at the same time. If company X has a patent that would be used in project Y, it can either a) waive the patent and use project Y or b) enforce the patent and drop project Y, it cannot do both.
Yes, they are. As long as they did not write any code in Linux or distribute it, they could do both. I see no section in the GPL concerning patents with regards to use within a corporation.
Of course, this depends on your definition of use. Use as in just run the project or use as in develop off of. The above is in regards to running internally.
And that's why the GPL is a pretty good safeguard against corporate lawsuits and so popular for corporate cooperation.
If I was in that situation, I would rather use a BSD license along with an agreement between corporations. It would be easier to defend when you have a signed agreement from your challenger if it went to trial.
That's what happened with Unix: Hardware vendors made sure that only their proprietary version would run on it, so the original BSD-code became useless.
Tell the NetBSD folks that their code cannot run on a multitude of platforms.
Wrong. If you use GPL-code, you agree to wave any rights of patents you might have.
If you develop with GPL code, you are not allowed to have patents on the code. Use is a different matter. Also, I believe the original poster was stating the fact that just because you develop under the GPL does not protect you from suits from patent holders.
If Sony and JVC do a joint project under the BSD license, and Sony has some obscure patent on it, JVC is screwed and Sony essentially owns their work.
Most companies are smart enough to agree on mutual patent use for the project when they do joint work. A license is weak protect in court compared to a signed agreement between companies.
As far as I know, IBM has not been harmed from working on Apache.
If Sony and JVC do a joint project under the GPL license, and Sony has some obscure patent on it, nobody is screwed because Sony would not be allowed to use the project under the GPL if they want to enforce their patent.
If they want to sue, they still can and do. I see SCO's suit has not been thrown out no matter how invalid it is.
I believe 3.x of MySQL does not support foreign keys (other than just the syntax). It would just accept the keywords. 4.x is where true support was added.
This is especially true since there's little diversity of viewpoints even on US TV - the choice seems to be between rightwing and very rightwing...
I would consider most of the news feeds in the U.S. to be between leftwing and very leftwing. ABC, CBS and NBC are leftwing and appear to be copies of each other. If a dog was stuck in a pipe, all three of them would cover it or not cover it. CNN is leftwing. Fox News would be from center (general coverage) to rightwing (some shows).
You are comparing apples and oranges. Are you not? The ban on human stem cell research using federal money (private still allowed?) from embryos is due more to morals than fears about monsters.
Didn't they recently find that stems cells from baby teeth worked just as well? This should solve any moral arguments.
If I want to install it on 10 system, I have to log into 10 systems and interactively run the installer nightmare - and it takes a long time to run on each of those systems.
You could compile on one box with "make package". On the other systems, run pkg_add on the built package. What do you mean by "installer nightmare"?
Not to mention that you have to run the nightmare every time FreeBSD OR Java updates.
I am not saying that Linux has or has not received code from SCO. I would not know. I just do not think people are remembering that it has happened in the past with copyright-stripping.
In that case, I can see it as a misunderstanding of the BSD license. SCO code would be a lot harder to misappropriate.
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I am glad that someone is fighting for actual separation of church and state.
Why? We already have separation of Church and State. Can you name the church? I know of no Church-run State nor State-run Church in the United States.
For a better explanation of "separation of Church and State", try this page. It makes a very good point about the impossibility of having a "pluralistic society".
From syscons(4) in FreeBSD:
Back Scrolling
The syscons driver allows the user to browse the output which has
``scrolled off'' the top of the screen.
Press the ``slock'' key (usually ScrllLock / Scroll Lock or Pause on many
keyboards) and the terminal is in the ``scrollback'' mode. It is indi-
cated by the Scroll Lock LED. Use the arrow keys, the Page Up/Down keys
and the Home/End keys to scroll buffered terminal output. Press the
``slock'' key again to get back to the normal terminal mode.
The size of the scrollback buffer can be set by the SC_HISTORY_SIZE
option described below.
To use it, you have to agree to the GPL.
I did not say otherwise. They could use Linux internally while still charging others to use the patents involved.
You contradict yourself. It doesn't matter wether the company contributed relevant code or anything at all when it comes to patents.
Read sections 7 and 8 of the GPL. These are the only two sections on patents. They discuss the distribution of GPL'd code. They do not talk about using the code.
Also, check this FAQ item. This is the version of "use" I am talking about.
But a patent holder is not allowed to use Linux and enforce patents against Linux at the same time. If company X has a patent that would be used in project Y, it can either a) waive the patent and use project Y or b) enforce the patent and drop project Y, it cannot do both.
Yes, they are. As long as they did not write any code in Linux or distribute it, they could do both. I see no section in the GPL concerning patents with regards to use within a corporation.
Of course, this depends on your definition of use. Use as in just run the project or use as in develop off of. The above is in regards to running internally.
And that's why the GPL is a pretty good safeguard against corporate lawsuits and so popular for corporate cooperation.
If I was in that situation, I would rather use a BSD license along with an agreement between corporations. It would be easier to defend when you have a signed agreement from your challenger if it went to trial.
That's what happened with Unix: Hardware vendors made sure that only their proprietary version would run on it, so the original BSD-code became useless.
Here shows a convoluted history of UNIX.
Who wrote SysV? Was it derived from BSD-code?
Tell the NetBSD folks that their code cannot run on a multitude of platforms.
Wrong. If you use GPL-code, you agree to wave any rights of patents you might have.
If you develop with GPL code, you are not allowed to have patents on the code. Use is a different matter. Also, I believe the original poster was stating the fact that just because you develop under the GPL does not protect you from suits from patent holders.
If Sony and JVC do a joint project under the BSD license, and Sony has some obscure patent on it, JVC is screwed and Sony essentially owns their work.
Most companies are smart enough to agree on mutual patent use for the project when they do joint work. A license is weak protect in court compared to a signed agreement between companies.
As far as I know, IBM has not been harmed from working on Apache.
If Sony and JVC do a joint project under the GPL license, and Sony has some obscure patent on it, nobody is screwed because Sony would not be allowed to use the project under the GPL if they want to enforce their patent.
If they want to sue, they still can and do. I see SCO's suit has not been thrown out no matter how invalid it is.
I believe 3.x of MySQL does not support foreign keys (other than just the syntax). It would just accept the keywords. 4.x is where true support was added.
This is especially true since there's little diversity of viewpoints even on US TV - the choice seems to be between rightwing and very rightwing...
I would consider most of the news feeds in the U.S. to be between leftwing and very leftwing. ABC, CBS and NBC are leftwing and appear to be copies of each other. If a dog was stuck in a pipe, all three of them would cover it or not cover it. CNN is leftwing. Fox News would be from center (general coverage) to rightwing (some shows).
You are comparing apples and oranges. Are you not? The ban on human stem cell research using federal money (private still allowed?) from embryos is due more to morals than fears about monsters.
Didn't they recently find that stems cells from baby teeth worked just as well? This should solve any moral arguments.
You may always try the TenDRA compiler.
You mean a slanted way of saying "it's about time we paid off the debt incurred by Reagan".
The budget was accepted by a Republican president and written by a Democratic congress. Why do you not mention that?
Think independently; a majority of both parties made the debt in the 1980's.
more.groupware is another Open Source project for web-based groupware.
You obviously haven't been visiting a IBM facility lately.
Which one? I thought they had all switched to ethernet.
How did you post on /.?
w3m
FreeBSD'll move elsewhere, bruised but otherwise unharmed.
Move from where? They have no association that I know of with Wind River. See link at top about it.
I believe Microsoft did not use the MIT-licensed code for their version of Kerberos: post
...
It is interesting that Microsoft wrote their own Kerberos even when code already existed with a BSD-style license.
This prevents M$ from stealing his work,
With the direction Microsoft is taking with file systems, I strongly doubt they will want his work.
Other than stocking up on hair dye and botox, what steps can I take to prepare for the future?
:)
Incriminating photos of your manager(s). You should be able to keep you jobs as long as he/she does.
I believe they wanted to take Perl out because it was simpler to manage via the ports. Any system upon which I use Perl, I use the port.
If I want to install it on 10 system, I have to log into 10 systems and interactively run the installer nightmare - and it takes a long time to run on each of those systems.
You could compile on one box with "make package". On the other systems, run pkg_add on the built package. What do you mean by "installer nightmare"?
Not to mention that you have to run the nightmare every time FreeBSD OR Java updates.
Why do it every time you update FreBSD?
Become an independent. Vote on the best person for the job as opposed to what the party (any) has already voted (primaries) for.
I am still on 4.8-STABLE with an Athlon, so I cannot confirm. Maybe this will help: Re: Help :) Kernel compile fails.
If this really happened, then IBM is the wrong party to sue.
:)
When would IBM ever be the right party to sue?
I am not saying that Linux has or has not received code from SCO. I would not know. I just do not think people are remembering that it has happened in the past with copyright-stripping.
In that case, I can see it as a misunderstanding of the BSD license. SCO code would be a lot harder to misappropriate.
:)
BTW, I needed to set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 due to the new threading model in RH9.
I skipped it; I forgot it was there.
:(
At the present time, I am fighting with RH9 to get the IBM JDK to run without core dumping.
... huge make install nightmare.
/usr/ports/java/jdk13. /usr/ports/distfiles. /usr/ports/distfiles.
Huh?
Steps for native JAVA on FreeBSD:
1) cd
2) Execute make.
3) Download patch file from URL make provided into
4) Execute make.
5) Download source from URL make provided into
6) Execute 'make install'.
It is a little troublesome but still quite easy.