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An anonymous reader writes: "From the OpenGroupware.org site: the OGo project announces its formation and the release today to the worldwide open source development community of its groupware server software. Gary Frederick, Leader of the OpenOffice.org Groupware Project says: 'Just to be perfectly clear, this is an MS Exchange take-out. OGo is important because it's the missing link in the open source software stack. It's the end of a decade-long effort to map all the key infrastructure and standard desktop applications to free software.' There are also plenty of screenshots of Outlook, Evolution, Korganizer, iCal etc. accessing the server."
We've not got an exchange server, but with or without the insecurities of exchange?
I'm lost. Is this like exchange, or is it secure? : p
I assert that my comment is only my opinion, not that of any employer, past, present or future.
Does it have menu shadows? :(
Be it by code of bytes or code of law?
On the screenshots page it says:
Microsoft Outlook using the ZideLook plugin and Ximian Evolution using the Connector for Exchange
So does this mean Outlook will work natively or not?
Anyone who can kick SCO in the butt, should've created code that kicks ass! More later, after d/l.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
This still doesn't cut it for really big enterprise. Exchange has excellent features for things like VOip, blackberry, etc. That this solution simply can't meet... now or in the next few years.
That being said it is nice to see that there is an option for mid-sized businesses finally. They were the ones who really got nailed by the MSFT tax.
Hmmm...The site seems to be lacking any decent documentation as to functionality. Is this just a drop-in replacement for Exchange? Or, do I have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get Outlook, et al to connect to it?
They ripped the "Why buy a blackbox" thing from openssl.org....
Great job and kudos to the OpenGroupware folks and their sponsors.
It sure would be nice to see these features in an open source alternative!
So who'll be the first to make a Gentoo ebuild for it?
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Microsoft didn't start out at the enterprise level. Their apps started small and then they (tried, some people say) to scale them to the enterprise.
I'm glad to see you're at least giving these guys a chance at the "mid-sized" business market.
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Slowly, slowly, one step at a time. A position taken by OSS can never be captured back, and the enemy does not have an infinite ground to fall back on. The circle widens, and there are only two kinds of protagonist: 'us' within the circle, and 'them' outside.
No apologies for my use of the language of aggression - this is the way of human affairs.
But seriously, this will drive OSS into the heart of mid-sized businesses.
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If you notice, the screenies of Outlook are using a plugin called Zidelook. They dont mention whether this is requisite to get full compatibility (i.e. drop-in replacement for exchange), but they DO mention that OpenGroupware base is not compatible with Zidelook.
To use Zidelook, you must use SKYRiX, and "enterprise distribution" of OpenGroupware. I.e. it's a commercial plug-in.
Of course, I could be wrong, but that's just how it reads.
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Don't forget the Kolab 1.0 server which is supposed to be released during LinuxTag too.
A drop in replacement for Exchange is great (I love the idea) but how does it perform? It would be silly to assume that just because it's on $FREE_OS it will outperform the Windows counterpart.
Trolling is a art,
There is an open source public branch exchange solution already. Supports SIP phones, conferencing, etc.
Check it out. It's stable, easy to work with, and the mailing list is very active.
You are checking your backups, aren't you?
It's not an insecurity, it's a potential feature that we haven't yet activated.
Get with the program already!
Yours humbly,
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XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
The last two "big enterprises" I've worked for (including the current one) have only used the out-of-the-box functionality of Exchange. VoIP? Ha! Blackberry? Ha! Just because InfoWorld profiles a couple of companies using that stuff doesn't mean that the majority of companies do.
What the coporate world is looking for is something that is cheaper and easier to run than exchange but will work with all the existing installed software and addons. Some things are handy like having email to fax on exchage. Send an email and it becomes a fax.
Its when this is possible on a non-windows platform that people will look
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Anything that hurts MS's market share. I don't want them out of business, but getting them back down to 50% market share will allow for little guys to come back in and more innovation to follow. The new innovations could really help the industry and get it out of its slump. More jobs for all!
This gets us one step closer to a full MS desktop replacement. Especially with businesses.
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The circle just closed, you mean...
With the massive database support(Oracle, MySQL, DB2...), the small desktop tools (OpenOffice) and all the network management software (Too... Many... Help!...), the Linux was "only" missing some big back office stuff, as in a large cooperation engine.
Now, if you are really willing, and for the FIRST TIME, you can go end to end Linux.
and you are tight. Now that the backbone exists, all the WAP and WhatNot connectivity modules can be (openly) develloped.
Linux covers all grounds of the IT business...
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` OGo is important because it's the missing link in the open source software stack. It's the end of a decade-long effort to map all the key infrastructure and standard desktop applications -- including ... the browser (Mozilla, Konquerer, Opera) ... - to free software.'
Last time I checked, Opera was commercial software, neither Free (well, the copy I'm using right now is Free-Beer ad-supported) nor Open Source.
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As a consultant to small- to miz-sized companies, this has been the place where Linux has fallen short of a "complete" server solution. Everyone wants what Exchange can do, but can't break the bank to buy it. And to top it off, the archive is about 20mb!
One concern is the selection of client programs. Most need an additional connector ($) or are less then functional (Mozilla Calendar or the web--people always complain about the web access for some reason). It would be my vote that the new split Mozilla works closely on their calendar features with this project. They have a good start already.
Thanks to all the developers and companies that put OpenGroupware.Org together!!!
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I'm working for a "big enterprise" firm and we tried out Groupware several times. All the projects more or less failed not because of technical problems, the real problem is that using Groupware also means that the user has to be "open-minded". Our users unnfortuantely were afraid that by using Groupware others could do some "data mining" on their work and that they have no secrets anymore. Everybody could see what they are working on, how much they do and so on. And they didn't want that. As long as people don't want to share their knowledge and data about their actual jobs you won't get Groupware working, no matter if its proprietary Groupware solutions or OpenGroupware.
Our IT department is chearing. We can see President Thomas J. Whitmore declaring, "this...... is our Independence Day!!!!!!"
What is this product, and what exactly is meant by the phrase "this is an MS take-out"? Can anybody give a general overview of what this is all about? The site has already been /.ed, or else I'd be able to check for myself.
How secure is a system like that? Where I work, you cannot have a PDA that has any form of wireless connectivity because of security concerns. Security would even like to keep people from bringing their cell phones in to work. I finally got a nice job and I cannot even get my cell phone / PDA.
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There are two definitions of groupware in the industry. The Microsoft one: groupware consists of email with some additional productivity: Calendar, Mail, and basic forms(which are hardly ever used). And the IBM Lotus one: groupware consists of database forms for routing and document management and email.
Competing with the Outlook definition:
OS foundations Chandler (Calendar focused)
Mozilla Mail (+calendar proj)
Evolution
Open Groupware
kmail/KGroupware
And from the Lotus Perspective:
www.phpgroupware.org
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And Lotus Domino which runs on Linux. The client works fine in wine or crossover - but is not officially supported.
check their e-mail/calendar/appointments even though their site is slashdotted? ;o)
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Check Convea (http://www.convea.com) which is a great open source web based groupware product (currently supports MS platform only with Linux / Moz version in development).
Believe it or not, nobody here is aware of the others' appointments...
...and ever since switching every (office) PC down here to Mandrake, it'll all cost my company 0,00 (apart from my measly wage, which they'd have paid anyways)
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So, I'm a bit confused.
Is this going to be an application that does the same job as Ximian Connector?
If so, I wonder what Ximian thinks about that, as it seems to me that Connector is Ximian's primary product (and possibly source of revenue).
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I think that this comes at a good time in the waning of the microsoft cycle. Somewhere above (the first post, I think) I read that this is not a good solution for big enterprise. I agree. The microsoft people have given the big businesses so many features (read: crutches) in their recent releases of exchange that it would be, to them, like severing a limb to switch to a software package that lacks even one of said features.
I know this because I work for one of those corporations, and they're getting killed by the microsoft licensing bullshit that's happening right now. They're still not switching to a more reasonable deployment platform, because they feel they can't live without all of the "state of the art" features in the microsoft package.
But I digress. I also agree that this is a great solution for mid-size businesses. And that's just fine, because the country is not made up entirely, or even mostly, of big business; mid-sized businesses comprise a huge chunk of the market, and they really are the ones who get screwed by the microsoft model. If they come on board to the open source game, then the market comes with them. The large businesses will follow along soon after microsoft loses the market share that small to mid-size businesses comprise.
For all the posts saying "it still doesn't do every last little thing that Exchange does!", do you really need those things?
You might try defining your requirements based on business needs, rather than the feature set of one piece of software. Or is that a crazy, radical idea?
Reminds me of all those guys doing simple web graphics, who say that Gimp doesn't do {some esoteric prepress color feature} that PhotoShop does, so they just can't use it ;)
We just purchased Oracle's collaboration suite for various reasons. One thing that Oracle needs improvement on is the web interface. Why, because it totally sucks! A high school web development class could do a better job. IMHO, what Oracle needs to do is borrow the code from OpenGroupware's web interface and then give back something. Just like Apple did with Safari/Konqueror.
But in most cases, Microsoft was the first to do these things.
I believe Lotus was a full blown groupware suite before Outlook. For all I know, maybe even Lotus wasn't the first. MS is rarely the first to do anything; they are masters at co-opting other proprietary vendors innovations....then claiming them for their own.
I hate the fact that so much effort is going into interoperability with MS. That includes OpenOffice too.
I think this idea of having a "drop in" replacement for Exchange is just nuts. Do you think the Apache project would have gotten to where it is today if they decided what they had to do was a "drop in" replacement for IIS? (Yes, I know the chronology of metaphor is skewy, but you know what I'm trying to say).
What we should be concentrating on is making the best possible tool for the job, not making it compatible with existing close-source software. That's the only way to win in the long term.
Umm.... Why do I have to use a closed source plugin to connect an open source client to an open source server?
We all go a little mad sometimes.... haven't you?
But the (apparently) relevant page on their site is just a walkthrough of the major system components, with a note saying
Which means that, apparently, the old ./configure && make && make test && sudo make install is unlikely to work here.
So -- has anyone tried this yet? Has anyone tried it on a non-Linux machine?
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Exchange has nothing to be proud of!!
Exchange is a horrible product... The groupware calendar sharing isn't even real time. Updates are sent in the message queue. I hate Exchange... people are stupid... The only reason it does well is the same reason people buy a combo TV/VCR/DVD/DirecTV/Tivo that is all together... It's simple if it's all in one package.
I think the answer to Groupware problem is not new software; but to create a new protocol standard. Something to replace in a groupware environment by either have many servers that talk with the new protocol... or you can still have the one server that does it all.
The combo idea should only be in the protocol.
I think the protocol should be some kind of query protocol...
A new protocol is needed for many reasons right now anyway. People want to make a new e-mail protocol to make sure we never see spam again. LDAP is good for contacts; if you don't ever want to update it. I think it's dumb to make a Calendar file format. (MS was one of the main developers in the iCal standard by the way.)
It would be no problem to run a web, WAP, VoIP, or whatever service you want to add... just as long as it ask for you centralized information...
Okay... I said enough... maybe I shouldn't be sharing this great idea with all of you...
-Brazil
Oh... make be in XML too..
I'm not necessairly a fan of Oracle and I'm definitely no fan of Exchange (out of experience), but I watched a little Oracle Collaboration Suite marketing demo on their site and for a moment, just a moment, I put myself in a biz guy frame of mind and thought "wow, that actually looks pretty kick ass". They have it intergrated not only with pda/phone but also with voice commands - everything. The whole enchalada.
Of course, I have no idea about the stability, hardware costs, and licenses. But, it seems as tho Oracle is already ahead of Titanium - not that that matters much to M$ customers. Still interesting nonetheless.
While I commend the Opengroupware product, I'm not too sure when the OS community will be able to come up with something like the Oracle Collab Suite. Not that they have to, but I guess biz types will be looking for features that exist in a shrink wrapped solution.
It should be "EGo".
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They did that ? They bring everything to the Mobile?!
I can't manage to understand where is the real challenge in bringing such things to Mobile ?
Since most of Mobile use WAP or i-Mode, you can display anything on it with format similar to HTML.
In this case, the challenge is: make a good UI, nothing more, I think.
Domino started as a document management product that shoehorned in messaging support
and...
Exhange is a messaging product that is still trying to shoehorn in document management support
What we need is something built from the ground up to handle messaging, document management, workflow and calendar/sched.. shoehorns are great but in a little while your feet start to ache.
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The site seems to be ./ed, but it looks like a good thing. In particular, I like the fact that they have realised that people might want to change Exchange (pun not intended) for a free alternative, but do not necessarily want to change the clients, and want to have all the bells and whistles of calenaring, room bookings et al.
A similar effort is Kolab, which has been sponsored by some German government department, and where they are trying to integrate both Outlook (the client) and Exchange (the server). While this is a sexy-looking project, clients using Windows do need to buy the binary connector, which isn't free (or cheap, for that matter).
I hope that these two groups co-operate, so that we can have a good working solution ASAP
If only people decided things based on 'terms of technological prowess'. People make emotional decisions based exactly on things like 'them' and 'us'. Don't attack the messenger, try thinking about what really happens. The debate between OSS and closed software is emotionally charged not because people are fools who can't stick to business. It's because people depend on emotions to decide things. Yes, there are people who can decide things purely on technological merit, but they are extremely rare. It's obvious that for most people Linux and OSS have more impact as a religion than a technology.
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The one thing I've found is that Asterisk's documentation/manual suck.
The manual gives almost no mention on what sort of IP phones will work. I'm guessing from putting pieces together that some of them support this SIP standard, but they don't explicitly say that. There is no list of tested and compatible IP phones - They hardly list any compatible hardware other than their own linecards and limited Dialogic support. Given that their analog line cards are only four ports per PCI slot, the system has some SERIOUS hardware limitations on the number of possible lines.
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Exchange really isn't very good at groupware. It does nice calendaring, but calendaring isn't groupware. It's also very rigid in terms of functionality and not terribly flexible.
Notes would be a better template for a groupware solution. From a server point of view anyway.
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Starting with the launch of OpenGroupware.org, SKYRiX becomes an enterprise distribution of the OpenGroupware.org software...
The SKYRiX distribution also includes some additional software which is not available as part of the OpenGroupware.org project
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Outlook Support for ZideStore
So it is not Open Source. However the OGo wire protocol is documented & available; so it is possible to write an Open Source Outlook plugin that can interface to OGo. Now wether someone does that is another matter (No one has written any Outlook plugins for any other OSS groupware projects yet).
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Oh yeah, forgot this gem.
We were testing an email application. Send a thousand emails to a tiny free email server on Windows, it swallows and asks for more. Send a thousand emails to our Linux box, it blinks and says 'yeah, so what?' Send a thousand emails to the departmental Exchange server... it crashes and IT support screams at us for 'overloading' their box. Just cracks me up.
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Next thing you know, they'll lock the staff out of the buildings. Studies show that 100% of security violations are caused by people.
Sounds like your company hasn't done its risk analysis properly, instead someone is just making security practices up as they go along.
It seems a pity to me that someone advocating a democratic approach to solving problems is instantly modded down as a troll. So much for Slashdot's "liberal" bias.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
more.groupware is another Open Source project for web-based groupware.
If it doesn't do all that (I can't tell, site is /.'ed), it may be a wonderful product, but it is definitely *not* a drop-in replacement.
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Can someone who was lucky enough to download this set up a BitTorrent file?
The opengroupware server is being crushed by the weight of Slashdot.
Now that's an enterprise ready organization. Maybe I'll try back in a few hours. Or maybe I'll have forgotten by then. Fortunately, /. will remind me by posting a dupe of this in the next few days (it's just a joke, sheesh!).
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This seems to be one tough niche to break into. Look at the number of products trying to get into the market Exchange and Notes seem to dominate. The main issue is giving companies a reason to switch. I run an Exchange / Outlook shop simply because that's what it was when I got there. There simply is not the time or the money to try and make the switch. And why? Because it's Open Source? That is no reason to throw previously invested money out the window.
The other issue is unification. One search on Freshmeat reveals over sixty related projects. No one wants to band together on something. No one wants to create a "unified" product. It seems that there are a few things that have to be included by default - Exchange compatibility and transition tools.
Look at Oracle's Collaboration Suite, SuSE's OpenExchange Server, and all of the commercial "alternatives" out there. They include transition tools, but you have to hire a consultant to perform the transition. They include "Exchange compatibility" in that you can continue to run Outlook. Well, once you throw in the consultant and the cost of the connection utilities, you cost more than buying Exchange and licensing Outlook outright.
It's an endless cycle. Companies will continue to dump out alternatives, trying to play catch-up with Exchange, while Microsoft continues to add new features, lower their price to be competitive, and offer "free" training with purchase.
What's the solution to this issue? Hell if I know...I just install the stuff. But if we want a competitor that is _competitive_, the community will have to develop both an incentive to switch and the tools to do it.
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Convea summarizes the GPL as follows on their download page (emphasis mine):
You need to purchase commercial non-GPL Convea licenses if:
--you distribute Convea Software with
your non open source software
--you intend to directly profit from the
provision of Convea software or services
--you want warranty from Convea Ltd for
the Convea software
--you want to support Convea development
I think that item 2 isn't quite consistent with the GPL. In fact, it seems pretty antithetical to the actual wording of the GPL as well as to the spirit of it.
Am I missing something?
You're right about the functionality difference between Notes and Exchange - Notes wins hands down. Also, the latest version of Notes fixes most of the "ugly interface" issues previous versions suffered from. Another bonus: if you don't like the look, or even the functionality... you can change it. The folks at OpenNTF have even released an open source version of the template that looks/acts like MS Outlook on steroids.
This is not your father's Notes.
Sean
P.S. I have no business connection with IBM/Lotus... just a fan.
Not insightful at all.
Send an email and it becomes a fax.
Its when this is possible on a non-windows platform that people will look
This was possible on UNIX (and later Linux) long before Windows even had e-mail.
If you read the FAQ, they mention that the ZideStore server is open-source, but the Zidelook plugin for Outlook is *NOT*. that's what maps the MAPI calls to WebDAV calls, and is the part you would really want to have for free.
So this is really just another half-assed payware product. ugh. I hate exchange, I want it's abomination gone, but I'm not going to replace it unless it's with something free, open and stable.
If I'm going to buy closed source products from someone, it's going to be from somewhere that at least HAS a QA department...
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It's a troll.
Exchange has some deficiencies that make it slower than any competitor could ever go, even if they accidentally mangled performance.
Parent poster would know this if actually using Exchange.
If you buy the current issue of Linux Magazin (Germany), you'll get a bootable Knoppix CD where OpenGroupware with all its components (PostgreSQL, Cyrus-IMAP etc.) is already set up and ready to use. You can try almost all the features, so you see what you'd be getting without having to spend the hour or so required to set things up on a fresh server.
Looks like this is exactly what we've been looking for all this time, and Skyrix will offer commercial support for the package as well as nifty add-ons (that cost some money).
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I sure do. The UI for FC is sweet, but the back end server is a mess. We migrated off to Lotus last year, because FC was so far behind the curve. From a user point of veiw FC was great, but from the admin side it could be extremely painful to deal with(for instance, client level mail filtering was just implemented in the last year, well after we migrated; they were way behind the curve on that one, so spam filtering was rather more difficult-the gateway could tag it but the client couldn't use that information to dump it somewhere). All that being said, for a small company or some such it might be useful still; the good part is the server end was generally fairly robust(though feature poor and several years behind modern) so the admin needs were infrequent.
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Anyone got a Bit Torrent link for the downloads?
Does anyone know if this works with any sort of directory services? If I can get a single sign-on solution in the linux world, I can start to replace Microsoft at the back end.
-ted
... all this talk is about the enterprise. What about people like me? All I am trying to do, is get my 3 PC's and a Laptop, with various flavors of windows and GNU/Linux to access my Email, schedule and contact info across all platforms while being synchronized. I alrady hear some people saying check out [place your favorite web based GroupWare project here], but web based is clumsy and not a many features as the application based counterpart such as Outlook, Evolution and Kmail+K stuff. So far there is nothing that can do this. All I really want is a server (some what like M$ Exchange) that will allow me to do just that. I have been researching this for a good period of time, and (I think) found a way to get this sort of working, but it requires matching technologies which may not necessarily work with each other, especially when it comes to Outlook (damn it to hell, but what works well on windows). Trying to keep it all together should not be this complicated. Yes, it is a rant, but I need to vent so my brain does not melt down!
Free speech is getting expensive...
How many unfinished projects do we need?
..cooperation. .what a concept....
There are many 'groupware' projects that litter the landscape 1/2 finished....
Instead of starting 'yet another', then another, why not help out an existing project..
With all the community resoruces that we possess, if we all worked together, wonderful things can happen. When we work apart, noone gets anywhere, but frustrated.
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initially developed as an exchange replacement. jesus, you guys are boring and predicable... you need to get out more.
if you want to use proprietary crap like outlook in your enterprise, you wont balk at using some other small peices of proprietary software to get your servers on something more stable than the crap from MS.
But Outlook has to stay. Primarily because no other application is able to do synchronization with PDA:s (both PocketPC and Palm devices) in a decent way. It's a shame that such a basic feature seems so hard to implement in OSS clients.
Mail is easy to replace. Exchange already supports IMAP, and throwing in an OSS IMAP-server (Cyrus for example) is a piece of cake. Tell everyone to configure Outlook to use the new IMAP-server and you're done.
Address book functionality _should_ work with an LDAP-server like OpenLDAP. Read this.
The calendar thing is the hard part. Outlook supports publishing iCalendar data via WebDAV and FTP, but that's just FREEBUSY-info wich Mozilla Calendar ignores, and Mozilla publishes complete iCal-events which Outlook ignores. Great. Sure, there are closed source plug-ins for Outlook that could do the job, but we're after a completely open source solution at the server end.
I think we're going to replace what we can anyway and just skip the calendar part right now. Hopefully some software will evolve that we can drop in for a complete calendar solution some time in the near future.
I'm browsing the site right now, and I'm a little confused what services OGo provides.
I see phrases like "Groupware" and "mixture of Exchange and SharePoint portal server", but those are vague marketing descriptions. There are a dozen different kinds of "groupware" products.
I rarely use Exchange and Sharepoint, and only for their POP or IMAP services. I suspect most Unix/Linux users are the same.
Does OGo include IMAP? POP? iCal? LDAP? A web interface? It's own client?
After reading the page for 10 minutes, I think I sort of understand what OGo is doing, but it's not very clear.
If so, cool! I'll try to join up.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
While it is true that the pre-Service Pack 1 version of Exchange 2000 and Outlook 2000 (as well as other MS apps) had security flaws, today's current configuration of Windows Server 2000 SP3 and Exchange SP3 is much more secure. Plus, the implementation of Windows Update helps administrators keep systems up-to-date and secure. MS has been great about pushing security updates out quickly.
Exchange 2003 and Outlook 2003 are fantastic applications with much stronger security.
The Exchange systems that have problems today are managed by admins who do not update their servers, strip suspect attachments , etc. I'm sure there are OSS patches and updates that are necessary to keep OSS servers secure.
So, OSS bigots, system insecurity is not inherent in MS products. It exists in all software to varying degrees. It's time for the /. OSS bigots to stop relying on tribal knowledge and information that is 3 years old.
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As pointed out in our Spanish-speaking counterpart barrapunto.com, OGo is the open-source release of SKYRiX. Current version is 4.1. Why would OGo not mention this?
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Observe the title on the 8th. At first I thought it said "Test particle pants" like some kinda mad scientist.
True genius is grasping a situation like a peice of fruit, and peircing it just right so that it drains dry.
why dont you just team up all of those developers who have their own groupware solution so they work together on one cool multiplatform solution? the sad thing is that all those different packages are each incomplete
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Good correction!
It's so easy to forget that busines needs a healthy market to function. The parent is an excellent metaphor.
You know, I've always been mystified that people would pay money for Exchange. I could forgive MS for writing in a sense because at least the developers that did it got paid.
But now, you got guys taking a perfectly miserable product and then making their own free version of it, and not getting any dough for it, for no other purpose than to be like Microsoft but free.
I have to admit that Open Source has finally gone off the deep end of sanity.
You would think that all these open developers would have a BETTER vision of computing than merely cloning M$ stuff for no tax. What's that criticism of M$ not having vision? Whose imitating who now?
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look slick as hell too
Hey, its the best I could do :p
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If it's done right it can be secure (think of PDAs with IpSec), but well M$ never does stuff right soo..
EMail was based on IMAP, SMTP, and IMSP and came from a company then known as Esys, later ExecMail, not sure if they even exist anymore).
Originally it was called "Simeon" (MUA and MTA pieces), from Canadian firm Esys. Then it was Execmail from Execmail, Inc. Then, there were some mergers involving companies called Isode and Messaging Direct, Inc. (one of which may now own the other; I forget).In any event, that firm now owns the rights, and could resell it if it wished, but has apparently discontinued the product, as they're no longer in that business.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
But this fucking rocks. Hard.
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This is great. We really need this type of software in the open source world. Unfortunately it doesn't run on windows. That meeans that it will be harder to get it to be used in windows infested work places.
Getting open sourced applications to run well on the windows platform is probably the best way of fighting the Microsoft monopoly. It's much easier to convince management to replace propriatory software if can be done radually and in a less high profile fashion.
And when enough open source software have invaded Microsft space, there will be no reason to run windows as your OS. At that time there will be little resistance in replaceing windows with Linux or FreeBSD.
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> I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but the biggest concern
> people will have is how to make Outlook interoperate with
> OpenGroupware.org.
Yes. I would like to point out that OGo is one of the very few
solutions which provide a full MAPI storage provider (aka live access)
instead of just a sync.
> Is the ZideLook plugin free?
No.
> If not, what are the
> licensing costs
AFAIK about EUR 55, depending on the number of users. For exact
information contact sales@skyrix.de.
> and would SKYRiX consider making the plugin free?
We would like to, but we don't own the plugin. It was developed by a
partner of SKYRiX which needs to get back his investment.
regards,
Helge
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OpenGroupware.org - http://www.opengroupware.org/
This is a great news project! Well done Gary for all your hard work on the OOGw list. I hope at some stage in the future there will be a CAP (http://www.calsch.org) server to access the calendar store as this would be eventually a more logical way of accessing the calendar data.
This is small potatoes to the fact that we now have an OOGw server!! Excellent news.
make the server talk to outlook natively
no connectors, no webdav to mapi, no nothing
the simple truth is that outlook rules corporate email... not because it syncs with handhelds, because it is what everyone in the office, that isn't us, is used to using.
build a groupware server that works with outlook without any additional plug-ins, and exchange will disappear in time
no one cares about any other mail/groupware client but outlook... when linux is ready to be deployed to all the desktops in an organization (which it isn't yet, and don't try to tell me otherwise) a groupware server that supports "not-outlook" will be viable.
scott king
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Actually, the Julian calendar was done in 45 BC by astronomer Sosigenes of Alexandria. It took a base year of 365.25 days and was was innacurate by a mere 11 minutes (no small feat at the time, IMO). It was the dominant calendar in that part of the world until the 16th century.
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The main contributors to this project have been Objective C supporters for a long time, and it shows! Looking at the tree on the Build It section of the site, the server depends on libFoundation and some GNUstep libraries.
I'm glad to see Objective C being put to good use outside of Mac OS X user interfaces... It's a good language, and it deserves better. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised... the sponsors, SKYRiX, have contributed a lot of good code for the free software ObjC community.
I hope this encourages more people to learn Objective C...
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What frustrates me is, if the plugin (any plugin) cost something like 5$ per license, I would have on-sold 10,000 of them by now. As it is, I have on-sold 0.
Why???
Because SME's can't afford to pay the same as exchange while claiming it is a "Linux server" so it is better, but it loses most of the features of exchange.
When these people realise this, they will take over the world.
Just today, I had to turn down an server install and the admin will put in exchane for this very reason.
I repeat, I could have installed thousands of these in 10-100 user businesses in New Zealand by now.
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It is the migration that will be the test - we have groupwise and the thought of trying to get those thousands of user folder structures filled with tasks, apps, notes etc over too exchange without losing one single message gives me the heebies.
Its not opensource but its cheaper, more reliable (not hard), more scalable, and easier to manage: Communigate Pro from www.stalker.com.
We've been beta testing their new Groupware add-in for Outlook for a year now and its now very reliable.
GroupWise 4.1 was the first Novell version, 1994.
In 1990 "WordPerfect Office 3.0" had collaborative features and was ported to UNIX, and in 1992 it became more robust and even ended up on VMS (3.1).
HP OpenMail and Lotus Notes had their first versions in 1989.
To credit "WordPerfect Office" at any version before 3.x as enterprise GroupWare would be stretching it. Though, these versions did appear first in 1987/1988.
Collaborative messaging in my estimation really began on a serious level with HP OpenMail. To date, there are few unified standards compliant messaging solutions that even come close. Carly Fucker Fiorina was told by her S&M master, Gates, to dump OpenMAIL. It is now Samsung Contact.
Microsoft Mail and Microsoft Exchange are fucking useless, and scale horribly and have MTAs that viruses have fun with. Comparing Microsoft scalability to serious UNIX hardware available to Notes and formerly to OpenMAIL doesn't make for a good corporate strategy.
In light of the fact that Samsung isn't a software company, the only thing that comes to mind as a real mail server at this point is: Bynari (horrible customer support) and probably the best and most scalable standards compliant messaging solution, Stalker Communigate Pro Messaging Server/
If I had to choose a huge messaging system at this point, I would probably go with Lotus. Nothing beats IBM know how. Well, it surely beats Samsung, Microsoft. Novell GroupWise is a fine product, but Novell's bizarre corporate strategy and past blunders makes them an outcast for the time being, but their directory services are SECOND TO NONE. Nothing beats NDS.
I would consider Communigate, Notes and GroupWise + NDS as the only real collaborative messaging servers left. Nothing beats disaster recovery on OpenMAIL (I've seen it run on full volumes and on failing disks gracefully), but since Carly sold HP out, its on ice for the time being.