The weapon is pointless:
In an actual conflict, we'd bomb the enemy and they'd become a devastated nation of revenge-seeking hulk partisans.
It's a textbook example of mutually assured destruction.
A medium that can be exchanged for goods and services and is used as a measure of their values on the market, including among its forms a commodity such as gold, an officially issued coin or note, or a deposit in a checking account or other readily liquifiable account.
First, I'll sue the government for issuing / infringing it. Then i'll go after all those minor offenders who've been using it to buy / exchange goods and services.
And I can rent a house. The rental agreement is arranged by contract. If there's no contract, the tenant is TRESSPASSING! Tresspassing is a crime. But the CONTRACT makes occupancy legal.
And that is what this amounts to. In essence, the software provider is saying, "it's legal for you to upload our files, as long as you don't sue anyone for uploading third party files to you. But if you act like an RIAA lawyer, and start suing network members, we'll nail you TWICE as hard as you sued them. and we CAN do it, because you DID upload OUR intellectual property in exchange for theirs. and WE didn't tell you to go out and do that, YOU CHOSE TO DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
Basically, to look for a legal example which [at least looks] equivalent: I can give you permission to tresspass on my yard, and still say "I won't sue you for tresspassing in MY yard, unless YOU sue my aunt bessie, or my cousin jim for tresspassing in YOUR yard. In THAT case, our deal is OFF, and i'll throw the book at you."
now, maybe a judge would look at this ball of yarn and say "you, software company, implicity gave permission to trade your files, and you cannot retroactively revoke that permission, simply because one of your users decides to persue their legal rights. that, because, you already gave permission to trade your files - and, at the time they were traded, you either defined the trade as a legal tresspass, or an illegal one. if it was a legal tresspass, you can't sue, and if it was an illegal one, the contract is null and void."
response (1) if the judge said that, the response would work like this: if i agree to rent a room to a tenant, the tenant, stops paying rent, does the landlord still have to keep the tenant? because when he and the tenant made the agreement, the landlord defined the tenant's presence as a LEGAL tresspass. but if the tenant renegs on rent, tresspass status suddenly flipflops, and the sherrif throws my couch on the sidewalk. therefore, the legal status of an activity CAN -SOMETIMES- *DEPEND* on fulfillment of a contractual agreement.
comparable..?
response possibility (2) change design: the guilt files are not at all mentioned in the contract, they are mentioned in the user interface:
*USER! WARNING! SUCH'N'SUCH-A-CLIENT WANTS TO UPLOAD ILLEGAL CONTENT FROM YOU! WILL YOU AGREE? YES/NO?*. What does the RIAA lawyer click? lawyer clicks no: disconnect.:) lawyer clicks yes: he's a "PIRATE," and so is the RIAA!!:)
now, how could THAT fail?:)
-Sam
ps (thanks, it's nice being trolled..glad somebody read my ideas:)
if i kill 2 people to establish the guilt of an unrelated third party, aren't i still guilty of the 2 murders?
it would be EXACTLY as effective as the laws that defend the RIAA.
if you're still in doubt, keep in mind that the "guilt files" need not be meaningless. they could actually be pretty decent stuff... art, essays, short stories, etc. (all copyrighted, datestamped, checksummed, etc) this would be stuff that clearly falls within the domain of copyright protected material. these files would be available for download-sale on the website of the software distributer, so that there's no doubt as to their intended commercial value.
now the RIAA wants to build a case. to snoop the network, RIAA illegally "pirate-shares" 5000 units of Software, Inc's intellectual property, (files which are available for sale online). the RIAA finds out that joe student illegally "pirate-shared" 2500 mp3 files, which are available for sale in the store.
good. RIAA builds its case, and shows up in court. their $million lawyer cries "we're just trying to make a buck. we bribed your legistlature for some laws, and now we want to see them enforced. please take this 21 year old's college savings away." the student says "i'm sorry, yes, i'm guilty, here you go, my life savings. i'll quit school and work at mcdonald's to pay off the rest." but then a third party stands up (the software company) and says "we'd also like to see the law enforced, since the same law obliges RIAA to pay us twice what it just took from that student. RIAA "pirate-shared" 5000 of our files while establishing his guilt." RIAA appeals and either (1) overturns their own law, or (2) suffers under it. if the law is overturned, GREAT! if RIAA is penalized double, GREAT. most of that is given to the poor student, who quits mcD's and resumes school.
i believe that this idea would blow the doors off the whole file trading dilemma, and put the RIAA lobbyists back in their place.
i have posted this before, but it was nested so deep i don't think anybody read it. if the sharing mechanism forces a searcher to be a pirate, then the RIAA would be implicated just for searching. see below:
(1) All users must register their filesharing client.
(2) The first thing the client does is upload a VERY SMALL "guilt file" to which kazaa, napster, or whoever wrote the client, has EXCLUSIVE rights. The user is now in cahoots before he ever downloaded anything. Before a client downloads any single file, he first uploads 2 "guilt files" to the sharing user. This verifies that the requester has implicated himself. So he is guilty but not to be punished.
(3) User must click "I Agree to Terms of Use."
(4) Term of use 1:
"I recognized that I have already violated a copyright just to launch this application. I understand that I will be sued, if and only if I decide to press charges against anyone on this network who violates my own copyrights on this network. I agree that the terms of settlement will be as follows: any spoils I achieve by copyright lawsuit, or by settlement, using this network, I agree to pay in double to kazaa, napster (whoever wrote the client). 75% of that will be returned to the original victim of the lawsuit." So it actually PAYS to get sued.
"I understand that for each file I have downloaded, I have, myself, illegally shared TWO files. I understand that I am pardoned of my offenses, so long as I pardon everyone who has offended me." ("Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.")
(5) Term of use 2: "I am not using this software as a third party agent." i.e. I am not a private investigator, lawyer, snoop, cop, stool pidgeon, etc., I'm just a joe using this client for his own purposes.) This term reduces the risk that RIAA hires a little kid to do the download and then films it as evidence.
Neat huh? I want to see it! Those laws (that the RIAA has democratically bribed our politicians for) would work against them SOOOO harshly here.
(1) All users must register their filesharing client.
(2) The first thing the client does is upload a VERY SMALL "guilt file" to which kazaa, napster, or whoever wrote the client, has EXCLUSIVE rights. The user is now in cahoots before he ever downloaded anything. Before a client downloads any single file, he first uploads 2 "guilt files" to the sharing user. This verifies that the requester has implicated himself. So he is guilty but not to be punished.
(3) User must click "I Agree to Terms of Use."
(4) Term of use 1:
"I recognized that I have already violated a copyright just to launch this application. I understand that I will be sued, if and only if I decide to press charges against anyone on this network who violates my own copyrights on this network. I agree that the terms of settlement will be as follows: any spoils I achieve by copyright lawsuit, or by settlement, using this network, I agree to pay in double to kazaa, napster (whoever wrote the client). 75% of that will be returned to the original victim of the lawsuit." So it actually PAYS to get sued.
"I understand that for each file I have downloaded, I have, myself, illegally shared TWO files. I understand that I am pardoned of my offenses, so long as I pardon everyone who has offended me." ("Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.")
(5) Term of use 2: "I am not using this software as a third party agent." i.e. I am not a private investigator, lawyer, snoop, cop, stool pidgeon, etc., I'm just a joe using this client for his own purposes.) This term reduces the risk that RIAA hires a little kid to do the download and then films it as evidence.
Neat huh? I want to see it! Those laws (that the RIAA has democratically bribed our politicians for) would work against them SOOOO harshly here.
SWEET!
-The REAL Sam
don't think mfg a car / roads roads is harmful?
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Consider all the human labor and parts, each part built of resources harvested from the environment. Each hour translating into time you spend working to support that car. Consider the sum cost of your car / insurance / fuel / registration / parking tickets in a year. You WORK to support that. Wouldn't you rather be free of that?
Consider all the NOISE that comes off a freeway, as well as the fact that tar / asphault highways must be MAINTAINED. If you live in a city, think about how many times you've suffered the noise from a jackhammer. Think of all the times they've torn out a road to fix a pipe, and then replaced the road with something worse than you had in the first place.
Consider the environmental eyesore that a TEXACO / CHEVRON / SHELL station is. Try to remember what the country looked like before the drivethrough convenience store. You used to be able to walk to those places. Now our cities are half parking, guessing 5% auto maintenace commerce, roadside billboards. Where's the soul?
If you've been victimized by them (i have), consider the involuntary stress / tightening of your jaw muscles when you see a parking enforcer. Ever had your car hostile-towed?
How about car breakins / vandalism / theft? Been there, suffered that.
Been to a bar lately? Had to get home lately?
Consider the sound of a heavy delivery truck in reverse (beep beep beep). Now scale that to the number of times you hear it. Live in a real city? Ouch.
If you live in a snowy area, think of how it is, scraping ice off your windshield in the morning, and hoping your car battery didn't die. And if it did, paying the tower, or buying a replacement battery.
AND, finally, think of all the money you give to the auto and insurance industries. They ARE the same folks who make tanks and HUM-V's. And, yes, they ARE corporate lobbyists. So when you get a lame war, or when the trolley system in your city gets dismantled, remember whose money was used to give them that political power. It was yours.
I'm sure there's more, but that should press the best buttons.
ah... back in the day. i was young, lonely. a woman offered me this APPLE 2plus. at first i didn't want it... but along came ORIGIN's ultima4 with it's ideas about KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. man, i ate it up...ORIGINal sin.
but seriously. remember, there was a guy in one of the towns who was seeking "salvation?" lol! he wasn't part of the game's quest. meanwhile, all these avatars and so on are looking for "enlightenment."
enlightenment? what's that? becoming sinless? too late for me. salvation is the Lord in Heaven's forgiveness of sin. salvation comes from accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
it seemed fascinating, when i was 12 years old... these ideas from origin. later in life, i look back and think about how a seed of deception was planted.
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The weapon is pointless: In an actual conflict, we'd bomb the enemy and they'd become a devastated nation of revenge-seeking hulk partisans. It's a textbook example of mutually assured destruction.
Patent for:
A medium that can be exchanged for goods and services and is used as a measure of their values on the market, including among its forms a commodity such as gold, an officially issued coin or note, or a deposit in a checking account or other readily liquifiable account.
First, I'll sue the government for issuing / infringing it. Then i'll go after all those minor offenders who've been using it to buy / exchange goods and services.
And I can rent a house. The rental agreement is arranged by contract. If there's no contract, the tenant is TRESSPASSING! Tresspassing is a crime. But the CONTRACT makes occupancy legal.
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And that is what this amounts to. In essence, the software provider is saying, "it's legal for you to upload our files, as long as you don't sue anyone for uploading third party files to you. But if you act like an RIAA lawyer, and start suing network members, we'll nail you TWICE as hard as you sued them. and we CAN do it, because you DID upload OUR intellectual property in exchange for theirs. and WE didn't tell you to go out and do that, YOU CHOSE TO DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
Basically, to look for a legal example which [at least looks] equivalent: I can give you permission to tresspass on my yard, and still say "I won't sue you for tresspassing in MY yard, unless YOU sue my aunt bessie, or my cousin jim for tresspassing in YOUR yard. In THAT case, our deal is OFF, and i'll throw the book at you."
now, maybe a judge would look at this ball of yarn and say "you, software company, implicity gave permission to trade your files, and you cannot retroactively revoke that permission, simply because one of your users decides to persue their legal rights. that, because, you already gave permission to trade your files - and, at the time they were traded, you either defined the trade as a legal tresspass, or an illegal one. if it was a legal tresspass, you can't sue, and if it was an illegal one, the contract is null and void."
response (1)
if the judge said that, the response would work like this: if i agree to rent a room to a tenant, the tenant, stops paying rent, does the landlord still have to keep the tenant? because when he and the tenant made the agreement, the landlord defined the tenant's presence as a LEGAL tresspass. but if the tenant renegs on rent, tresspass status suddenly flipflops, and the sherrif throws my couch on the sidewalk. therefore, the legal status of an activity CAN -SOMETIMES- *DEPEND* on fulfillment of a contractual agreement.
comparable..?
response possibility (2)
change design: the guilt files are not at all mentioned in the contract, they are mentioned in the user interface:
*USER! WARNING! SUCH'N'SUCH-A-CLIENT WANTS TO UPLOAD ILLEGAL CONTENT FROM YOU! WILL YOU AGREE? YES/NO?*. What does the RIAA lawyer click?
lawyer clicks no: disconnect.
lawyer clicks yes: he's a "PIRATE," and so is the RIAA!!
now, how could THAT fail?
-Sam
ps
(thanks, it's nice being trolled..glad somebody read my ideas
if i kill 2 people to establish the guilt of an unrelated third party, aren't i still guilty of the 2 murders?
it would be EXACTLY as effective as the laws that defend the RIAA.
if you're still in doubt, keep in mind that the "guilt files" need not be meaningless. they could actually be pretty decent stuff... art, essays, short stories, etc. (all copyrighted, datestamped, checksummed, etc) this would be stuff that clearly falls within the domain of copyright protected material. these files would be available for download-sale on the website of the software distributer, so that there's no doubt as to their intended commercial value.
now the RIAA wants to build a case. to snoop the network, RIAA illegally "pirate-shares" 5000 units of Software, Inc's intellectual property, (files which are available for sale online). the RIAA finds out that joe student illegally "pirate-shared" 2500 mp3 files, which are available for sale in the store.
good. RIAA builds its case, and shows up in court. their $million lawyer cries "we're just trying to make a buck. we bribed your legistlature for some laws, and now we want to see them enforced. please take this 21 year old's college savings away." the student says "i'm sorry, yes, i'm guilty, here you go, my life savings. i'll quit school and work at mcdonald's to pay off the rest." but then a third party stands up (the software company) and says "we'd also like to see the law enforced, since the same law obliges RIAA to pay us twice what it just took from that student. RIAA "pirate-shared" 5000 of our files while establishing his guilt." RIAA appeals and either (1) overturns their own law, or (2) suffers under it. if the law is overturned, GREAT! if RIAA is penalized double, GREAT. most of that is given to the poor student, who quits mcD's and resumes school.
i believe that this idea would blow the doors off the whole file trading dilemma, and put the RIAA lobbyists back in their place.
i have posted this before, but it was nested so deep i don't think anybody read it. if the sharing mechanism forces a searcher to be a pirate, then the RIAA would be implicated just for searching. see below:
(1) All users must register their filesharing client.
(2) The first thing the client does is upload a VERY SMALL "guilt file" to which kazaa, napster, or whoever wrote the client, has EXCLUSIVE rights. The user is now in cahoots before he ever downloaded anything. Before a client downloads any single file, he first uploads 2 "guilt files" to the sharing user. This verifies that the requester has implicated himself. So he is guilty but not to be punished.
(3) User must click "I Agree to Terms of Use."
(4) Term of use 1:
"I recognized that I have already violated a copyright just to launch this application. I understand that I will be sued, if and only if I decide to press charges against anyone on this network who violates my own copyrights on this network. I agree that the terms of settlement will be as follows: any spoils I achieve by copyright lawsuit, or by settlement, using this network, I agree to pay in double to kazaa, napster (whoever wrote the client). 75% of that will be returned to the original victim of the lawsuit." So it actually PAYS to get sued.
"I understand that for each file I have downloaded, I have, myself, illegally shared TWO files. I understand that I am pardoned of my offenses, so long as I pardon everyone who has offended me." ("Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.")
(5) Term of use 2: "I am not using this software as a third party agent." i.e. I am not a private investigator, lawyer, snoop, cop, stool pidgeon, etc., I'm just a joe using this client for his own purposes.) This term reduces the risk that RIAA hires a little kid to do the download and then films it as evidence.
Neat huh? I want to see it! Those laws (that the RIAA has democratically bribed our politicians for) would work against them SOOOO harshly here.
SWEET!
-The REAL Sam
Metal: Melting Point:
Steel 1500 C
Aluminum 620 C
source:
http://www.weldtechnology.com/rwintrod
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then 300 people are listening to it.
(1) All users must register their filesharing client.
(2) The first thing the client does is upload a VERY SMALL "guilt file" to which kazaa, napster, or whoever wrote the client, has EXCLUSIVE rights. The user is now in cahoots before he ever downloaded anything. Before a client downloads any single file, he first uploads 2 "guilt files" to the sharing user. This verifies that the requester has implicated himself. So he is guilty but not to be punished.
(3) User must click "I Agree to Terms of Use."
(4) Term of use 1:
"I recognized that I have already violated a copyright just to launch this application. I understand that I will be sued, if and only if I decide to press charges against anyone on this network who violates my own copyrights on this network. I agree that the terms of settlement will be as follows: any spoils I achieve by copyright lawsuit, or by settlement, using this network, I agree to pay in double to kazaa, napster (whoever wrote the client). 75% of that will be returned to the original victim of the lawsuit." So it actually PAYS to get sued.
"I understand that for each file I have downloaded, I have, myself, illegally shared TWO files. I understand that I am pardoned of my offenses, so long as I pardon everyone who has offended me." ("Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.")
(5) Term of use 2: "I am not using this software as a third party agent." i.e. I am not a private investigator, lawyer, snoop, cop, stool pidgeon, etc., I'm just a joe using this client for his own purposes.) This term reduces the risk that RIAA hires a little kid to do the download and then films it as evidence.
Neat huh? I want to see it! Those laws (that the RIAA has democratically bribed our politicians for) would work against them SOOOO harshly here.
SWEET!
-The REAL Sam
Consider all the human labor and parts, each part built of resources harvested from the environment. Each hour translating into time you spend working to support that car. Consider the sum cost of your car / insurance / fuel / registration / parking tickets in a year. You WORK to support that. Wouldn't you rather be free of that?
Consider all the NOISE that comes off a freeway, as well as the fact that tar / asphault highways must be MAINTAINED. If you live in a city, think about how many times you've suffered the noise from a jackhammer. Think of all the times they've torn out a road to fix a pipe, and then replaced the road with something worse than you had in the first place.
Consider the environmental eyesore that a TEXACO / CHEVRON / SHELL station is. Try to remember what the country looked like before the drivethrough convenience store. You used to be able to walk to those places. Now our cities are half parking, guessing 5% auto maintenace commerce, roadside billboards. Where's the soul?
If you've been victimized by them (i have), consider the involuntary stress / tightening of your jaw muscles when you see a parking enforcer. Ever had your car hostile-towed?
How about car breakins / vandalism / theft? Been there, suffered that.
Been to a bar lately? Had to get home lately?
Consider the sound of a heavy delivery truck in reverse (beep beep beep). Now scale that to the number of times you hear it. Live in a real city? Ouch.
If you live in a snowy area, think of how it is, scraping ice off your windshield in the morning, and hoping your car battery didn't die. And if it did, paying the tower, or buying a replacement battery.
AND, finally, think of all the money you give to the auto and insurance industries. They ARE the same folks who make tanks and HUM-V's. And, yes, they ARE corporate lobbyists. So when you get a lame war, or when the trolley system in your city gets dismantled, remember whose money was used to give them that political power. It was yours.
I'm sure there's more, but that should press the best buttons.
Think b4 you drive.
ah... back in the day. i was young, lonely. a woman offered me this APPLE 2plus. at first i didn't want it... but along came ORIGIN's ultima4 with it's ideas about KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. man, i ate it up...ORIGINal sin.
but seriously. remember, there was a guy in one of the towns who was seeking "salvation?" lol! he wasn't part of the game's quest. meanwhile, all these avatars and so on are looking for "enlightenment."
enlightenment? what's that? becoming sinless? too late for me. salvation is the Lord in Heaven's forgiveness of sin. salvation comes from accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
it seemed fascinating, when i was 12 years old... these ideas from origin. later in life, i look back and think about how a seed of deception was planted.