You're outside my door and on my property?! This is so much different than an eMail. You own your property. You don't own the Internet. Bandwidth costs? What differentiates spam bandwidth from other misuses of bandwidth? Is there such a thing as bandwidth misuse? These spammers, if done legitimately (ie, without zombies, etc), pay for their bandwidth. It is not harassment because you are not forced to do anything. It is harassment like any other advertisement is harassment
What about all the junk mail I get unsolicited? I don't want it, causes me to maybe overlook my "good" mail, costs money to send and can often be deceiving. Spammers are annoying, some of them break laws, but someone who sends mass eMails out should not be treated like a rapist or murderer. I hate spam too, but I at least understand what cruel and unusual punishment is and what it means for a punishment to fit a crime. Go back to your self-ritious, totalitarian empire dreams.
I think he is referring to the fact that amplifiers are one technology that is better by the use of tubes, over the transistor, to this day. Anyone who plays guitar, for instance, knows the warmth and crunch a tube delivers is generally superior than that of a transistor.
Can you name a more widely used application of tubes now days?
Many people have pointed out that getting college students to do the work on the cheap is the best route for you. It really is. Here is how you go about doing it if you do not know any graphic design or fine art students. Make a flier, explaing that you need a designer to make icons for your project.
Make some copied of this flier and post them in the grpahic and art departments of the local college. You will probably get quite a few calls and ask to see some wrok they have done. The one that appears the most responsable and has the work you would think you want is the one you choose.
You probably won't have to pay over $100.00 to $200.00, depending on the scope of the work. If it's just icons you need, $50.00 may be fine. Let them know they can use this work for their portfolios and use you as a reference in the future.
It benefits everyone. You get cheap design labor and they get beer money/positive references.
OK, you have spoken and I maybe it is evil. My point is not to cuddle these people, but realize you cannot stop it. In fact, I don't think you can deter it. We still have a plentyful supply of drugs. It cost a lot of money to jail someone and I'm not sure I feel that threatened by spammers such that I want to pay to take them off the streets.
But, some of you make good points and amke note of things I did not think of. MAybe as it is, spammers do need to be criminalized. Maybe in the future we can desing a system that will benefit everyone?
Like you, I hate spam. I widh it never came my way, and thanx to some filters and careful eMail use, I don't have much of a problem with it. Understandably I don't use my eMail as much as some extreme power users I have met, so I can imagine I don't expose myself as others who have greater problems than me. So, although I agree these people can be rather annoying, I do not think they should be jailed as a criminal.
Perhaps monatary fines, like 40% of their income would be fair? This money could be put into national programs to make our internet faster and modernize as many facets as possible. This would benefit all people who use the internet, for obvious reasons.
If the spammers try and lie about their income, they would of course be tried criminaly, etc for all business malpractices.
My point is, we as a society could profit form these people. Lets face the fact, at least in America, advertising always finds its way into every media medium, and the Internet is no different. For better or worse, if we live in a consumerist society, as we do, we will be exposed to advertising. How else will they let us know what we want to buy?
eMail is not a right. The Internet is not a right. Why pay to jail these people. They haven't hurt anyone, and really are running an innovative business, as far as marketing is innovative. No matter what, a spammer taken off the Net today will be replaced by another yesterday. It's a battle you cannot win. The current solution is not creative or well considered. Let's tax it and invest it in ourselves.
Don't be consumed by greed. Although people taken by this scam are indeed victims, I have trouble feeling really bad for them. They thought they could get something for free, with no work, effort or percieved risk and they end up paying for it. Life teaches really hard lessons if you don't take notes before hand. Either way, you will learn these lessons. Just hope you are a good student so you don't have to be taught by example.
"There is no need for the Republicans to look. Since only the Kerry supporters will look in detail, expect them to ignore problems that favor their candidate."
You're right in that there may be many errors in Kerry's favor if every error is uncovered, but Republicans should care as every American should care because although it has been said winning is everything, the honest truth is the most important. If my guy won and then it was found out that some error is what made him win, I would want that error found and the correct results factored, no matter how bitter I may feel. My point is a Democracy cannot stand if the people's voice is not really being heard accuratly. Suspicion will only weaken us and provide a breeding ground for doubt and partisinship.
Personally, I feel we all need to find common ground, understand we won't agree 100% but see the need for compromise. We cannot always have what we want but we can find common ground if we are all rational and reasonable. You know what they say, a union divided cannot stand. I
t's too bad we probably will never see this type of cooperation and understadning of our fellow man, but we can dream. No party or ideal is wrong. We all just have to better understand each other. We need to accept contradictive ideas and actually listen to rational arguments. Above all, we need to make law such that it is for people, not against people.
Florida and Ohio came in withen the marin of error for exit polls. They are +- 2% I believe and they both came in withen that range. Ohio and Florida had Kerry at 51 to Bush's 49. Also, the time they were taken was in the early afternoon to later afternoon, at about 5 or so. Many Republican workers vote on their way home and are able to tilt the scale. Many younger and college voters who more likely vote Kerry vote in the morning and early afternoon.
Regardless, I think everyone should agree all investigations into vote counting should commence as it is the only way to really know and it is suspicious the all errors favor Bush. I'm guessing he won as Murphy's law is always true, but I would like to know for sure, and I pay taxes.
After further review, the main reason they have error and exploit prone software is because they can. They don't care because it does not effect their sales at all. I'm sure they would prefer better systems, but really it is not a priority. The real priority is stomping out competitors with their monopolistic strategy.
This is the very reason we have antitrust laws. Face it, Microsoft doesn't have to make quality software because they own everything. They won't strive to make error resistant software until they are forced to.
The best part is, everyone has to pay for this through tech departments, maintenance, paid updates and general time spent fixing things as well as data loss, etc,..except Microsoft.
Ahh, The Dragon Book. I've read that myself, and it's a fine book on compilers, but man is it hard to read. The topics and theory are right on and easy to digest, but talk about a dry book. I had to stop myself from reading but thinking of other things so many times in that book.
I recommend to anyone interested in computer programming to read it, and if you want to write any type of compiler or compiler like system. But beware, this book is D-R-Y.
I would also recommend "The Pragmatic Programmer" as well as "Mastering Regular Expressions".
I'm not convinced this man, Microsoft or anyone else for that matter knows why they have the problems they do. If they did, I'm sure Microsoft would be very interested in obtaining this information so they could make higher quality software.
My guess is, and since I do not work at Microsoft or know their culture first hand, is they are a bloated, over managed institution that provides a fertile breeding ground for errors to compound. It's like NASA in some respects, where you just have too many layers of accountability which allows many things to slip through the cracks.
I'm not sure it's fair to blame the programming languages used for errors. Bad code is often proclaimed as a major short coming of C++, but in the end it comes down to the design, programming and process. Many very large and successful software projects have been constructed using C/C++, so I find it a lame excuse to blame the language.
One big problem that many agree on is in the case of Microsoft there is a large market pressure to release things before they are ready. This allows you to get your product out to customers who will then be less likely to use a computers product, even if superior, but released later. Everyone knows the price of bug fixes goes up after the software is released, but I'm sure the mathematicians at companies like Microsoft have calculated the bug cost to profit ratio in releasing the software in particular states and the most profitable option is taken, regardless of acceptance.
I would be interested in knowing what Microsoft's error to lines of code ratio is. Larger than typical, smaller? I mean, Microsoft apparently has really good talent working for them. You would imagine they would produce really good software. What gives?
Dude, you can't take my spots. Well, it's a city dump in the Upper Midwest I can tell you but I would assume if you go to any city dump you will find the same sort of things. By me anyways, they keep all the computers together, neatly stacked and in a clean area. We are not supposed to take things but the workers don't seem to care.
Yeah, my GF needs to use a floppy often for school work and she prefers a Mac laptop I have that has no floppy drive. She pops it into a Linux box's floppy at the desk and mounts it and then accesses it through the network and mounts it on the Mac. Works fine and she learned how to type mount/mnt/floppy and umount/mnt/floppy.
My friend and I actually do this. You would be amazed by the hardware we find. Usually we will grab things (clean things, they are sorted so all computer things are together, in a neat area) and bring them back to test and examine what we want to keep. Generally we find P2's and many floppy drives as well as some great CD drives and the occasional great find like a P3 that was dumped for some reason. We've gotten a few decent hardrives larger than 10 gigs. Not to mention many good cases and monitors and SD-RAM chips.
With this you can throw together a linux router on the cheap, like you said: $0.00. With the free software and hardware we put together Cisco 2600 comparable routers for free, MP3 servers and have created various other uses.
We even got a Mac G3 once.
We plan on moving our operation over to a ricer part of towns dumps to see what we can find.
Yeah, good point. Probably the best response I've seen to all this. You should probably be modded-up but that's up to the moderators of course. Good insight.
The recent popularity is what I am referring to. Sure, people play cards but with it on TV now days a lot more people are playing. I was asking if you think the current burst in popularity will sustain. Where it stands now, it is a fad. It's a game that will always be played but I'm wondeirng if it's recent surge in popularity will have lasting power; i.e will people watch it on TV 2 years from now?
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I'm not sure if Poker is a fad right now or something that may last. My instinct tells me it is a fad and will die in a year or so. Has it had resurgence before anyone know of?
I will play from time to time, but I find it best in moderation. Anyways, lets start the flame war.
"ou're allowed to think whatever you want. In the future, you may not want to think out-loud so much, it just shows your lack of intelligence."
Frisky. Thank you for informing me I have a lack of intelligence. I was wondering about that for awhile and luckily for me, you brought me up to date. I will try my best not to think anymore. Hopefully all of Slashdot takes this advice as well and no more posts are ever made. Afterall, a comment is "thinking out-loud", right?
In conclusion, you have made zero contributions to this discussion and any points you may have thought you had, are terrible. I think, based on your 2 posts, you have nothing interesting to add.... Damn, there I go "thinking out-loud" again. Sorry.
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Whoa, that's out of left field.
It's not like they put it into space, twice in two weeks, for under 10 million dollars.
You're outside my door and on my property?! This is so much different than an eMail. You own your property. You don't own the Internet. Bandwidth costs? What differentiates spam bandwidth from other misuses of bandwidth? Is there such a thing as bandwidth misuse? These spammers, if done legitimately (ie, without zombies, etc), pay for their bandwidth. It is not harassment because you are not forced to do anything. It is harassment like any other advertisement is harassment
What about all the junk mail I get unsolicited? I don't want it, causes me to maybe overlook my "good" mail, costs money to send and can often be deceiving. Spammers are annoying, some of them break laws, but someone who sends mass eMails out should not be treated like a rapist or murderer. I hate spam too, but I at least understand what cruel and unusual punishment is and what it means for a punishment to fit a crime. Go back to your self-ritious, totalitarian empire dreams.
I think he is referring to the fact that amplifiers are one technology that is better by the use of tubes, over the transistor, to this day. Anyone who plays guitar, for instance, knows the warmth and crunch a tube delivers is generally superior than that of a transistor.
Can you name a more widely used application of tubes now days?
Many people have pointed out that getting college students to do the work on the cheap is the best route for you. It really is. Here is how you go about doing it if you do not know any graphic design or fine art students. Make a flier, explaing that you need a designer to make icons for your project.
Make some copied of this flier and post them in the grpahic and art departments of the local college. You will probably get quite a few calls and ask to see some wrok they have done. The one that appears the most responsable and has the work you would think you want is the one you choose.
You probably won't have to pay over $100.00 to $200.00, depending on the scope of the work. If it's just icons you need, $50.00 may be fine. Let them know they can use this work for their portfolios and use you as a reference in the future.
It benefits everyone. You get cheap design labor and they get beer money/positive references.
Good points. Well taken.
probably.
"OK, you have spoken and I maybe it is evil"
That should read, "OK, you have spoken and I maybe you're right, it is evil"
You know what, I tink I got the retard helemt on today. HAd a few beers, etc. Just not clicking today.
OK, you have spoken and I maybe it is evil. My point is not to cuddle these people, but realize you cannot stop it. In fact, I don't think you can deter it. We still have a plentyful supply of drugs. It cost a lot of money to jail someone and I'm not sure I feel that threatened by spammers such that I want to pay to take them off the streets.
But, some of you make good points and amke note of things I did not think of. MAybe as it is, spammers do need to be criminalized. Maybe in the future we can desing a system that will benefit everyone?
Yeah, that last line there was supposed to be put in as:
<fesicious>How else will they let us know what we want to buy? </fesicious>
But it did not post as such due to the post parameteres I have set. SO, yes clearly that looks really bad as is, but it was intended as sarcasim.
Like you, I hate spam. I widh it never came my way, and thanx to some filters and careful eMail use, I don't have much of a problem with it. Understandably I don't use my eMail as much as some extreme power users I have met, so I can imagine I don't expose myself as others who have greater problems than me. So, although I agree these people can be rather annoying, I do not think they should be jailed as a criminal.
Perhaps monatary fines, like 40% of their income would be fair? This money could be put into national programs to make our internet faster and modernize as many facets as possible. This would benefit all people who use the internet, for obvious reasons.
If the spammers try and lie about their income, they would of course be tried criminaly, etc for all business malpractices.
My point is, we as a society could profit form these people. Lets face the fact, at least in America, advertising always finds its way into every media medium, and the Internet is no different. For better or worse, if we live in a consumerist society, as we do, we will be exposed to advertising. How else will they let us know what we want to buy?
eMail is not a right. The Internet is not a right. Why pay to jail these people. They haven't hurt anyone, and really are running an innovative business, as far as marketing is innovative. No matter what, a spammer taken off the Net today will be replaced by another yesterday. It's a battle you cannot win. The current solution is not creative or well considered. Let's tax it and invest it in ourselves.
Don't be consumed by greed. Although people taken by this scam are indeed victims, I have trouble feeling really bad for them. They thought they could get something for free, with no work, effort or percieved risk and they end up paying for it. Life teaches really hard lessons if you don't take notes before hand. Either way, you will learn these lessons. Just hope you are a good student so you don't have to be taught by example.
"There is no need for the Republicans to look. Since only the Kerry supporters will look in detail, expect them to ignore problems that favor their candidate."
You're right in that there may be many errors in Kerry's favor if every error is uncovered, but Republicans should care as every American should care because although it has been said winning is everything, the honest truth is the most important. If my guy won and then it was found out that some error is what made him win, I would want that error found and the correct results factored, no matter how bitter I may feel. My point is a Democracy cannot stand if the people's voice is not really being heard accuratly. Suspicion will only weaken us and provide a breeding ground for doubt and partisinship.
Personally, I feel we all need to find common ground, understand we won't agree 100% but see the need for compromise. We cannot always have what we want but we can find common ground if we are all rational and reasonable. You know what they say, a union divided cannot stand. I
t's too bad we probably will never see this type of cooperation and understadning of our fellow man, but we can dream. No party or ideal is wrong. We all just have to better understand each other. We need to accept contradictive ideas and actually listen to rational arguments. Above all, we need to make law such that it is for people, not against people.
Florida and Ohio came in withen the marin of error for exit polls. They are +- 2% I believe and they both came in withen that range. Ohio and Florida had Kerry at 51 to Bush's 49. Also, the time they were taken was in the early afternoon to later afternoon, at about 5 or so. Many Republican workers vote on their way home and are able to tilt the scale. Many younger and college voters who more likely vote Kerry vote in the morning and early afternoon.
Regardless, I think everyone should agree all investigations into vote counting should commence as it is the only way to really know and it is suspicious the all errors favor Bush. I'm guessing he won as Murphy's law is always true, but I would like to know for sure, and I pay taxes.
After further review, the main reason they have error and exploit prone software is because they can. They don't care because it does not effect their sales at all. I'm sure they would prefer better systems, but really it is not a priority. The real priority is stomping out competitors with their monopolistic strategy.
This is the very reason we have antitrust laws. Face it, Microsoft doesn't have to make quality software because they own everything. They won't strive to make error resistant software until they are forced to.
The best part is, everyone has to pay for this through tech departments, maintenance, paid updates and general time spent fixing things as well as data loss, etc,..except Microsoft.
Ahh, The Dragon Book. I've read that myself, and it's a fine book on compilers, but man is it hard to read. The topics and theory are right on and easy to digest, but talk about a dry book. I had to stop myself from reading but thinking of other things so many times in that book.
I recommend to anyone interested in computer programming to read it, and if you want to write any type of compiler or compiler like system. But beware, this book is D-R-Y.
I would also recommend "The Pragmatic Programmer" as well as "Mastering Regular Expressions".
I'm not convinced this man, Microsoft or anyone else for that matter knows why they have the problems they do. If they did, I'm sure Microsoft would be very interested in obtaining this information so they could make higher quality software.
My guess is, and since I do not work at Microsoft or know their culture first hand, is they are a bloated, over managed institution that provides a fertile breeding ground for errors to compound. It's like NASA in some respects, where you just have too many layers of accountability which allows many things to slip through the cracks.
I'm not sure it's fair to blame the programming languages used for errors. Bad code is often proclaimed as a major short coming of C++, but in the end it comes down to the design, programming and process. Many very large and successful software projects have been constructed using C/C++, so I find it a lame excuse to blame the language.
One big problem that many agree on is in the case of Microsoft there is a large market pressure to release things before they are ready. This allows you to get your product out to customers who will then be less likely to use a computers product, even if superior, but released later. Everyone knows the price of bug fixes goes up after the software is released, but I'm sure the mathematicians at companies like Microsoft have calculated the bug cost to profit ratio in releasing the software in particular states and the most profitable option is taken, regardless of acceptance.
I would be interested in knowing what Microsoft's error to lines of code ratio is. Larger than typical, smaller? I mean, Microsoft apparently has really good talent working for them. You would imagine they would produce really good software. What gives?
Dude, you can't take my spots. Well, it's a city dump in the Upper Midwest I can tell you but I would assume if you go to any city dump you will find the same sort of things. By me anyways, they keep all the computers together, neatly stacked and in a clean area. We are not supposed to take things but the workers don't seem to care.
Yeah, my GF needs to use a floppy often for school work and she prefers a Mac laptop I have that has no floppy drive. She pops it into a Linux box's floppy at the desk and mounts it and then accesses it through the network and mounts it on the Mac. Works fine and she learned how to type mount /mnt/floppy and umount/mnt/floppy.
My friend and I actually do this. You would be amazed by the hardware we find. Usually we will grab things (clean things, they are sorted so all computer things are together, in a neat area) and bring them back to test and examine what we want to keep. Generally we find P2's and many floppy drives as well as some great CD drives and the occasional great find like a P3 that was dumped for some reason. We've gotten a few decent hardrives larger than 10 gigs. Not to mention many good cases and monitors and SD-RAM chips.
With this you can throw together a linux router on the cheap, like you said: $0.00. With the free software and hardware we put together Cisco 2600 comparable routers for free, MP3 servers and have created various other uses.
We even got a Mac G3 once.
We plan on moving our operation over to a ricer part of towns dumps to see what we can find.
Yeah, good point. Probably the best response I've seen to all this. You should probably be modded-up but that's up to the moderators of course. Good insight.
The recent popularity is what I am referring to. Sure, people play cards but with it on TV now days a lot more people are playing. I was asking if you think the current burst in popularity will sustain. Where it stands now, it is a fad. It's a game that will always be played but I'm wondeirng if it's recent surge in popularity will have lasting power; i.e will people watch it on TV 2 years from now?
I'm not sure if Poker is a fad right now or something that may last. My instinct tells me it is a fad and will die in a year or so. Has it had resurgence before anyone know of?
I will play from time to time, but I find it best in moderation. Anyways, lets start the flame war.
Is poker a fad or is it here to stay, and why?
"ou're allowed to think whatever you want. In the future, you may not want to think out-loud so much, it just shows your lack of intelligence."
Frisky. Thank you for informing me I have a lack of intelligence. I was wondering about that for awhile and luckily for me, you brought me up to date. I will try my best not to think anymore. Hopefully all of Slashdot takes this advice as well and no more posts are ever made. Afterall, a comment is "thinking out-loud", right?
In conclusion, you have made zero contributions to this discussion and any points you may have thought you had, are terrible. I think, based on your 2 posts, you have nothing interesting to add.... Damn, there I go "thinking out-loud" again. Sorry.
... but i can tell you it is unsafe.