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Sydney 419 Scammer Jailed

kjots writes "The ABC is reporting that the Sydney District Court has sentenced a disability pensioner to more than five years in jail for his part behind a Nigerian email scam. One down ..."

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  1. Excellent by Compact+Dick · · Score: 0

    About time they hit down on those causing real grief.

    1. Re:Excellent by fingerfucker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Damn, I should have checked that "post anonymously" box

      You 'should have', but you are carma-whoring, so you didn't.

    2. Re:Excellent by ComaVN · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Uh.. yeah, I just live for karma or whatever.

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    3. Re:Excellent by BottleCup · · Score: 0

      "There's a lot of gullible people out there that are very vulnerable and they think that this is the pot at the end of the rainbow," she said.

      Everybody sing along now...

      Someday we'll find it
      the rainbow connection
      the lovers
      the spammers
      and mee...

    4. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You 'should have', but you are carma-whoring, so you didn't.

      Believe me man, Excellent karma is the best thing I could ever achieve in life. It's so nice to have all that karma piled up that I cannot even express myself! Even girls now care about me man, I've never seen anything like this before! Thank you so much Slashodt moderators for all that karma! Now please keep feeding up my karma pile until my privilege goes beyond CmdrTaco's!

      Now for something serious please go and read these questions in the FAQ.

      PS: I am not the grandparent and you replied to a signature.

    5. Re:Excellent by TFGeditor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Anyone who falls for this deserves to be stripped of all assets."

      Bullshit. This post is another glaring example of ignorance and insensitivity.

      Quite frequently, scam targets and victims are the elderly, often poor in a relative sense, sometimes desperate and lonely. They fall for the scam not out of greed, but out of need.

      Sure, many victims are in fact victims of their own greed, but to paint all with the same brush is absurd and just plain wrong.

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    6. Re:Excellent by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      Why do some older people all of a sudden start believing anything they are told and hand out money to damn near anyone? My grandma is almost 80 and she's probably a lot more aware of potential scams than I am, so it's not like the human brain is incapable of detecting scams at an older age. If I ever get to the point where I think it's a good idea to send all my money off to some TV preacher, or worse yet some guy in an annonymous email who can't even spell, I hope my kids or grandkids will be kind enough to take me out back and shoot me.

    7. Re:Excellent by Detritus · · Score: 1
      Anyone without a black belt in martial arts "deserves" to be mugged.

      That isn't the way that the law works. If you think that you are too smart to be conned, you probably aren't as smart as you think you are.

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    8. Re:Excellent by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      Worst. Analogy. Ever. Ok, maybe not. There's some pretty stiff competition there. Anyway, I'm not saying the scammers shouldn't be punished. They should. I am saying that there must be something severely wrong with your mental capabilities if you fall for this particular scam. We're not talking about an old lady that lets someone claiming to be from the gas company into her house. That is a mistake most people could make. I'm talking about someone who actually thinks that some random stranger wants their help to handle millions of dollars, and then actually SENDS THIS PERSON MONEY to do so. There was this case of some professor who was actually participating in TWO scams at the same time: he wanted to pay the costs of the second one using the proceeds of the first. I'm sorry, I may not be the most sensitive person in the world, but I am completely and utterly incapable of having ANY compassion for such a "victim"

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  2. Interesting... by cfalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How come when they finally get busted, it's not the stereotypical sleazeball you hope for? Life would be easy if it were 1 dimensional. Oh well, still good to see crime being punished.

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How people want life to be easy when it is not.

      You would actually hope for a sleazeball?! Its that kind of thinking that make all Arabs terrorists, all programmers basement dwelling trolls, and all righteous policies reasonable.

      After all your either with us or against us!

    2. Re:Interesting... by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So he's a "disability pensioner", so what? Why assume he's not a sleazeball? Heck, I'm assuming his "disability" is a scam too.

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    3. Re:Interesting... by harrisben · · Score: 5, Informative

      Being on a disability pension doesn't necessarily dicatate the degree of your disability in Australia. It could be anything from having a bad back (can't do any lifting) all the way to quadraplegia (definitely can't do any lifting). I'm assuming this guy was of the 'bad back' kind.

    4. Re:Interesting... by cfalcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you would hope that a person running a scam is in all ways sleazy. While this is to some extent simplistic thinking, it's not *at all* the steretyping you mention.

      Wishing that people behave in consistent ways is not wishing that they lived up to stereotypes. Wishing that a person who engages in horrible scams is the kind of person who engages in *OTHER* morally questionable activity is wishing for consistency. It the equivalent of wishing that all Arabs are at least partially of Arabic descent, and that all programmers know how to program.

      It is unrelated to preconceptions society may have.

    5. Re:Interesting... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      What about the people who pretended to charge a fake paypal account of mine $175 - should they get 9 yrs too?

    6. Re:Interesting... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Why assume he's not a sleazeball? Heck, I'm assuming his "disability" is a scam too.

      His disability is schizophrenia so it's not likely to be a scam and it certainly won't affect his sleazeball status.

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    7. Re:Interesting... by Gonzman2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      In Australia you can be on a disability pension for something like back pain, it doesen't have to be so severe you can't move or are really disabled in any way. This guy could be a regular joe with a back problem, so not particular care should have gone into mention of "disabiliy pensioner"

    8. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Great to see you assume he's got a bad back.

    9. Re:Interesting... by Orthanc_duo · · Score: 1

      ...and that all programmers know how to program.

      Yes, well.....

    10. Re:Interesting... by rjshields · · Score: 1

      Surely that should be disabled pensioner, not disability pensioner. Ahh well, there's no accounting for grammar on /. stories.

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    11. Re:Interesting... by stor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Surely that should be disabled pensioner, not disability pensioner. Ahh well, there's no accounting for grammar on /. stories.

      No no, it's right the way it is.

      A "disability pensioner" is someone who receives a pension due to their disability.

      "Disabled pensioner" would be someone who receives a pension due to their age and just happens to be disabled.

      Cheers
      Stor

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    12. Re:Interesting... by Orgazmus · · Score: 1

      In other words, no(bad) spine?

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    13. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are probably refering to him being on a disability pension. Most disability pensioners in Oz get it for depression or back pain. Both of these can be serious problems, but a man with the mind of a Nigerian spammer can easily be playing games with that too.

    14. Re:Interesting... by yowi · · Score: 5, Funny
      There's these 3 blokes (Yank with a broke arm, Pom on crutches, and an Aussie with a bad back) in the pub having a drink.

      The yank goes up to the bar to buy a round and the bartender says "You see that guy at the end there? Thats Jesus"
      The Yank says "Godamn if it aint, get one for him while your at it!"

      A short time later the Pom goes up to the bar and the bartender tells him about the distinguished guest.
      The Pom said "Good lord, so it is, make sure the good chap has a fresh drink will you"


      Then its the Aussies turn, same deal, Jesus up the end,
      "No shit mate" give him a pot of ya best.


      Not long after that, Jesus finishes his drinks and heads over to the 3 at the table
      "You 3 have shown generosity and kindness when obviously you have dificulties of you own, so I would like to do something for you"

      He then touches the Yank on the head and his cast falls off, arm fixed.
      He touches the Pom on the head and his legs are fixed.
      He reaches out for the Aussie who jumps up screaming

      "Dont touch me!!! I'm on compo!!"

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    15. Re:Interesting... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      What's compo? I checked wikipedia and google :\

    16. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the fine, upstanding, civil service employee who claimed he slipped on ketchup (which he spilled) while out having lunch, and filed a disability claim against his employer, the City of Philadelphia?

    17. Re:Interesting... by jasgo · · Score: 0

      Workers Compensation

    18. Re:Interesting... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1

      What is a Pom? And what is compo?

    19. Re:Interesting... by Threni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > How come when they finally get busted, it's not the stereotypical sleazeball
      > you hope for

      Is it ever a stereotype? Usually it's a human being. You should be thankful that he was simply taking money from extremely stupid, greedy people, and not mugging/shooting/burgling people.

    20. Re:Interesting... by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      "Pom" or "Pommie" as in "You Pommie bastard" or "You whinging Poms" are colloquial Aussie for us Brits.

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    21. Re:Interesting... by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

      I am not an Aussie (IANAA?) and therefore no authority on colloquialisms, but "compo" intuitively translates to a person on "compensation" from the state for a disability. My best SWAG for "Pom" would be "pensioner."

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    22. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does whinging=whining?

      I ask, because I've seen it used, a lot, where the writer meant whining/whiner.

    23. Re:Interesting... by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Pom (pommies) , iirc, comes from 'Prisoner of Motherland/Mothercountry' ; which is being used for English people by Aussies.

      Compo, would have to be welfare-money ; Or a 'dole-bludger' (sp?) (by lack of a better word)

    24. Re:Interesting... by mr_snarf · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm an Aussie. A pom is a british person. Well, I guess only an english person, but its a slang term, could encompass all brits.

      Compo is short for compensation. I don't have any experience with it myself, but I'm assuming its like the dole but with a bit more money, since you won't ever be able to get a job.

      The dole is unemployment benefits/Social Security.

      Incase anyone is interested (like, someone from a country without proper social security), I'm on Youth Allowance. I get paid money because I'm studying and my parents don't earn enough to support me (If my parents did, then I'd have to prove my independance from them).

      Currently while I'm studying, the university costs are also paid for by the government via HECS. Basically its an interest free loan. Currently our goverment is trying to get rid of this system, not exactly sure why, probably don't want low-income earners to become educated.

      By the way, regarding compo, it makes Australian's sound like they have the laziest workforce. Infact, we don't, I think we are close to the top when it comes to workhours. In the old days Australia was considered to be workers paradise, with extremely short working days etc, certainly isn't the case now, but some people seem to think it is.

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    25. Re:Interesting... by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      What is SWAG ? If thats an Aussie word, I've never heard it mentioned other than in reference to the bit of camping gear. (I'm west australian, dialects vary a fair bit, those funny easteners!). Btw, whats the deal with your sig "...stupid is forever." Shouldn't that be "stupidity"? Or did I just make a fool of myself and miss the joke? :P

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    26. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all your either with us or against us

      "you're".

    27. Re:Interesting... by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

      SWAG = "Scientific Wild-Ass Guess." A wholly American thing, I think.

      As for the sig, think of it this way: Beauty is transient, ugly is forever. Yeah, you could say "ugliness," but it is (a) unnecessary, (b) less "tight" prose, and (c) just doesn't "sound" as good. ;)

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    28. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget compo. What's a fucking Pom?

    29. Re:Interesting... by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      You can get that in the US too. Not sure if the coverage is as good as in Australia, though. And you also have to worry about insurance companies poking around taking pictures through your windows. They'll do anything to catch you moving furniture, rotating your matress, or carrying heavy cases of beer into all the parties your employer assumes you're having with all your free money/time. Again, not sure if they do this in Australia or not.

    30. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      35-37.5 hours per week is standard in government service and most large corporations, though like in the U.S. most of the well paid jobs are exempt (no timeclock, and no one works only their contracted 35 hours/week).

    31. Re:Interesting... by sootman · · Score: 1

      For those of us not from Oz, what's a bloke? and a pom? and a Jesus?

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    32. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a pom?

    33. Re:Interesting... by zobier · · Score: 1
      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=whinging
      whinge
      intr.v. Chiefly British whinged, whinging, whinges To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
      [Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
      whinger n.
      whingingly adv.
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    34. Re:Interesting... by Jarvo · · Score: 1

      HECS isn't exactly an interest-free loan. Your HECS debt is indexed according to CPI (Consumer Price Index ~ inflation).

      If you don't pay anything, the dollar value increases each year, but it's relative value stays the same (in a perfect economic world).

    35. Re:Interesting... by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      I should have said "Essentially an interest free loan" instead of "Basically its an interest free loan". Good point, but its still cheaper than a loan from a bank :)

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    36. Re:Interesting... by mr_snarf · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, that makes more sense. Because 'swag' is an australian word, but used in a different context, confuzzled me!

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    37. Re:Interesting... by mink · · Score: 1

      I thought SWAG was slang for stolen goods.

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  3. Here's my reply to those things by BrianGa · · Score: 5, Funny

    I modify the namea/dates/amounts/etc, and fire this off:

    Dear DR.ONORIODE BOBOLO,

    It is so good to hear from a fellow-countryman, having been raised and lived for many years in our most beautiful homeland, Nigeria. I want to send you my sincere thanks and gratitude for your kind offer of USD$25,000.000.00 (TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS) for taking part in this funds transfer transaction.

    However, I am a businessman too, and I make my living transferring large sums of money from and to my friends, relatives, and business associates in Nigeria. Therefore, I know that you would agree, that in order to participate in this wonderful opportunity, I must have an advance monetary commitment from you -- a good faith gesture on your part -- in order to proceed.

    Therefore, I ask that you deposit just 10% ($2,500,000) of the $25M into my PayPal account as an indication that you truly possess the funds and are actually authorized to release them. Using the online PayPal service is a very convenient and secure way to transfer funds. All you need do is access the PayPal web site -- http://www.paypal.com -- open a PayPal account, deposit the funds into your new account, and then transfer the money into my existing account, which has already been set up to receive the $25M.

    You only need my email address, which you already have, to transfer the funds into my account. Therefore, the complete safety of your account, as well as mine, is guaranteed and insured unconditionally. You have asked that this matter be handled with the strictest confidentiality, and I will agree to that condition, provided that the transfer takes place in a reasonable period of time, say by Friday, 5 October.

    If the money has not been received by that time, I must assume that you are not making a legitimate offer, and that you might be someone other than who you say you are -- although I can tell by the exceptional language of your email, that is probably not the case. However, if that is the case, then I will be forced to embark upon a most unpleasant course of action that I would prefer not to undertake.

    Because I have so many loyal friends in the Government of Nigeria and the Military, and many close ties within the Security Service where you work, it would be quite easy to locate your office and your home, as well as learn the identities of your friends and relatives.

    I truly don't believe that you would want to jeopardize their health and well-being, and your own future. I will access my PayPal account on next Saturday to verify that your good-faith payment has been made. Once that takes place, we can move forward with the final transfer.

    I trust that you will not disappoint me in this matter, since the consequences for non-compliance could be quite severe. I look forward with great anticipation to working with you.

    Yours faithfully,

    Issa Gidada, JD, MMB,
    President & CEO
    U.S./Nigeria Funds Transfer Organization
    Beverly Hills, CA

    1. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Associate · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see any replies you've gotten.

      As for the crip that did this in AU, as I always say, sometimes you gotta push the old lady down the stairs. Remember, you're only protecting them from the terrible secret of space.

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    2. Re:Here's my reply to those things by ravenspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Asking them to give you money through Paypal is a bad idea. These people have a buttload of stolen credit cards and that's what they will use. Ultimately all (or almost all) of it will be charged back by the card owners and removed from your account by Paypal's fraud department.

      Don't do it. It would only result in more grief for everyone involved.

    3. Re:Here's my reply to those things by icekillis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hah! They won't even care to reply to a direct question such as: "Yes, but can I have the info faxed?" Or anything else. they will just resend you the email, acting as if they cant read at all. They are not smart at all, they are just bulk mailing everyone,when they finaly get some of the data they just report it to smarter people who make all the money.

    4. Re:Here's my reply to those things by shepd · · Score: 1

      If it's a stolen credit card, better it wastes a few minutes of a Paypal plebeians' time than result in unpaid stolen merchandise from a store before the (likely idiot) with the stolen credit card notices.

      Just my 2 cents on the issue, of course.

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    5. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even worse, replying to the e-mail basically let's them know the e-mail is legit, and then comes the Spam Deluge..... -- tarunthegreat2 replying as AC because for some reason have been banned from posting as myself, despite excellent Karma.

    6. Re:Here's my reply to those things by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many credit cards do you reckon they have with a $2.5 million credit limit?

    7. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Deusy · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, you can't be so ficnukg serious. You honestly think they would transfer 2.5 mill based on an email that basically mirrors and mocks their own send-out? These people aren't that stupid. They might not be Yale or Harvard types, but they gotta have some wits about them.

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    8. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Asking them to give you money through Paypal is a bad idea. These people have a buttload of stolen credit cards and that's what they will use.

      Agreed. I tried this too just the other day and someone sent me 25,000,000.00 USD w/ a fake credit card. I hate it when that happens.

      (I'm just glad my credit card only has a 10,000,000.00 USD limit so someone can't try that with me.)

    9. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't hand over 2.5 mill. But several hundred dollars is realistic and acheivable from these guys. $50 is a breeze. Free money, from thieves! Woo!

    10. Re:Here's my reply to those things by k98sven · · Score: 1

      How many credit cards do you reckon they have with a $2.5 million credit limit?

      Well, I can think of at least one.

    11. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Take the money out before the chargebacks occur and just abandon the Pay Pal account.

      Of course, you'll need a Pay Pal account you are willing to lose.

      There might be some risks to this method.

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    12. Re:Here's my reply to those things by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Given PayPal's tendency to lock/charge accounts at random, you should never have an account that you ARENT willing to lose. I have abandoned two, soon to be three as soon as I get a fourth set up.

      long story short: scammers claimed to never get products, so paypal gave them their money back. actual legit customer and I decide to cancel a transaction, and paypal wont give either of us the money. final result: scammer +$100 in products, legit customer -$100, me -$100 in products, paypal +$100.

    13. Re:Here's my reply to those things by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the scammers never use credit cards for these sorts of things (that's chump change). They usually send you a fraudulent cashiers check (you deposit the check, pay them the difference, and then when the bank determines that the check was bogus you are left holding the bag for the entire amount, or any money that you spent plus the amount that you paid back to the Nigerian scammers) or if the amount is truly huge then they ask you to wire transfer funds directly to a bank in Africa, Cayman Islands, or some other equally remote and shady locale known for moving money without asking questions. How people fall for these things is really quite beyond me. If you want a few laughs try this one...

      Teletype Scams

  4. Protecting the gullible? by mind21_98 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although scammers are nasty creatures, shouldn't people know better than to send money to pay for something they supposedly won? This isn't a troll; I'm totally serious. Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills? In any case, I'm glad this person's going to jail.

    1. Re:Protecting the gullible? by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      You are gullible for thinking people are smart enough to not be made a fool. So, wanna send me some money? hehe, seriously though, if people were not protected from themselves, they would turn into the middle east.

    2. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the general masses possessed some criticial thinking skills and weren't so gullible, then Bush wouldn't have gotten elected by a long-shot.

    3. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear he'll give you TEN MILLION US DOLLARS if you help him get early parole.

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    4. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the wonders of bulk e-mail is that you can send out huge numbers of 419 solicitations. Even if only one person in a million falls for the scam, you're onto a winner.

    5. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do I send the check?

    6. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?
      If they were, the 419 scam wouldn't work. It clearly works though, so apparently they arent.

    7. Re:Protecting the gullible? by jesterzog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although scammers are nasty creatures, shouldn't people know better than to send money to pay for something they supposedly won? This isn't a troll; I'm totally serious. Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?

      Well yeah, in an ideal world.

      There are lots of people who are just a bit thick, but to be fair there are also a lot of people out there who are incredibly desperate, probably beyond what the majority of slashdot users could conceive of, and simply aren't quite thinking straight.

      From what I understand (I'm not an expert but I've read a little), the people who these scammers appeal to often aren't the people who are simply greedy. They're the people who've been told that they need a $100,000 payment on their home within a month or they and their kids will be kicked out of the home that's been in their family for generations.

      Maybe they've been trying to save money and they're malnourished, or perhaps they're getting over an illness that cost a lot of money to treat. (Perhaps they desperately need money to treat it.) It's the same sort of thing as the loner or widower who's sitting at home feeling lonely, and after three months of happiness through online chit-chat, decides to send thousands of dollars to an internet "girlfriend" in another country so she can fly there to say hello, only to have "her" never contact him again.

      It's easy to turn around and say that people were stupid to not be careful and give away their life savings to a stranger. But at the end of the day there are still victims and the scammar's still a con artist who defrauded people and often wrecked their lives many times more than they might've been already. If you really feel as if you have have nowhere else to go and the world seems to be falling down around you, it can sometimes illogically seem reasonable to take up an offer like this against any real common sense.

      I'm not trying to suggest that everyone who responds to these things is in the same position. Some, perhaps many, probably are just greedy and/or silly, although without meeting them I wouldn't want to pinpoint who. I do think it's short-sighted to simply say that all of these people are obviously stupid, without actually looking at the situation. This is nothing against you personally, but that tends to be the general tone on slashdot and I don't think it's very fair.

    8. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ...shouldn't people know better than to send money to pay for something they supposedly won?

      Behold, the gap between "should be" and "is".

      Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?

      Just for the heck, I'm going to take that rhetorical question as an actual inquiry.

      On the count of "common sense", presumably such a thing isn't taught anywhere. It's supposed to be innate, right? And while "common sense" may tell you there is no chance you've won an overseas lottery that you've never entered, don't underestimate the power of greed and wishful thinking, which tend to be more common and more motivating than "common sense".

      On the count of "critical thinking skills", my experience is that the local university teaches a 100-level philosophy unit on the subject, but I've yet to find it anywhere outside a philosophy department. I think most educators erroneously assume that it's a part of "common sense". Admittedly it is, to some extent, but the average person will readily fall for certain logical fallacies (both formal and informal) without additional training in critical thinking.

      As a matter of idle curiosity, what is it about 419 scams that makes you think the victims need better critical thinking skills? Does the typical 419 scam contain subtle sophistries? I'd have said they mostly contain whopping great lies, a liberal dose of appeal-to-greed, and perhaps a little garnish of emotionalism so that the victim's conscience may take refuge in the fact that they're actually helping a poor benighted widow, not slavering like a loon at the prospect of riches beyond the dreams of avarice. On the other hand, I suppose that a good (general) course in critical thinking would include learning to identify such rhetorical devices.

    9. Re:Protecting the gullible? by techwolf · · Score: 1

      Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?

      Common sense just isn't very common anymore.

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    10. Re:Protecting the gullible? by yowi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A fool and his money are soon parted.

      I can't understand how the fool got the money in the first place!

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    11. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I do think it's short-sighted to simply say that all of these people are obviously stupid, without actually looking at the situation. This is nothing against you personally, but that tends to be the general tone on slashdot and I don't think it's very fair.

      I find that that tends to be the general tone on a lot of tech sites on a lot of subjects.

    12. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Someone who is in dire need of $ has the $ to send to the scammer. Give me a break.

    13. Re:Protecting the gullible? by elronxenu · · Score: 3, Interesting
      From what I understand (I'm not an expert but I've read a little), the people who these scammers appeal to often aren't the people who are simply greedy. They're the people who've been told that they need a $100,000 payment on their home within a month or they and their kids will be kicked out of the home that's been in their family for generations

      Let's see then. Here are some victims found by a Google search (top links chosen)

      • awprofessional.com wrote: In July 2001, the Times of London reported that a former mayor of Northampton fell for the 419 scam, and ended up in Johannesburg, South Africa with a gun to his head.. Not certain, but more likely to be greed than desperation.
      • In the same URL, And in 1999, a Romanian businessman, Danut Mircea Tetrescu, was kidnapped and held for a half-million dollar ransom.. Hmm, "Romanian businessman". More likely greed?
      • In the same URL we also have Kjetil Moe, a Norwegian millionaire who had fallen for the 419 scam. Definitely greed.
      • El Reg writes of a woman who stole $2.1m from the law firm of which she was an employee (a bookkeeper). The Reg analyses it for us: greed and stupidity in equal measure.
      • Wired wrote 2+ years ago of two losses of $78k and $74k, but no actual explanation of the motives of the victims.
      • This dude writes that he was taken in out of folly.
      • Finally a more professional website offers a summary,
        From earlier sections you might have picked up the impression that only seniors are deceived by offers of instant wealth. Nothing could be further from the truth. While it is true that seniors are targeted for sweepstakes offers the mechanics of telemarketing and investment fraud are simply enhanced and modified for attacking various targets of opportunity.

        This particular scam targets middle class, middle age, business and professional men who would never be as easily deceived by a lottery scam. Estimates put the losses from these "Nigerian Advance Fee" operations at over $1 million "every single day" in the U.S. alone.

    14. Re:Protecting the gullible? by browngb · · Score: 1
      Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?
      The one thing I have learned: Common sense isn't common.
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    15. Re:Protecting the gullible? by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

      Well, jeez. Now you've gone and stolen my thunder and rendered my post "redundant." Good post nonetheless.

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    16. Re:Protecting the gullible? by KatieL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My grandmother keeps sending money off to people like this (the ones that send paper mail - she doesn't have a computer). We (the family) have tried all sorts of things. We can't get the mail redirected so my aunt can filter it first because the post office insists on proof of ID... She keeps ordering new chequebooks whenever one goes "missing"...

      And she's not even batty enough that we can get a power of attourney to run this stuff. She's fine, she tells us and social services. And some days she is. Other days, she'll put slippers in the fridge and milk in the wardrobe.

      And the worst of it is that having responded to some of this stuff, she's getting more and more and more of it, now being a "live target".

      And this is kind of why we need social protection for the "gullible".

    17. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anecdotes. A couple of examples that were found to be news worthy doesn't mean much.

    18. Re:Protecting the gullible? by b1scuit · · Score: 1

      I don't know about AU, but in the U.S. our education system really only gets enough money to educate at 49% of capacity.

    19. Re:Protecting the gullible? by jesterzog · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. sorry about that -- it wasn't intentional.

    20. Re:Protecting the gullible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They're the people who've been told that they need a $100,000 payment on their home within a month or they and their kids will be kicked out of the home that's been in their family for generations.

      Dude, if you still owe $100,000 on a house that's been in your family for generations, then your granddad must have been a colossal retard.

    21. Re:Protecting the gullible? by jesterzog · · Score: 1

      Dude, if you still owe $100,000 on a house that's been in your family for generations, then your granddad must have been a colossal retard.

      That's quite a simplistic way to look at it. You could easily owe money on a family home if you mortgaged it to borrow money for paying off something else, as happens quite a lot in many places for all sorts of reasons.

    22. Re:Protecting the gullible? by cfuse · · Score: 1
      Are people not taught common sense and critical thinking skills?

      No, they are not. In fact, it is almost impossible to find any form of educational institution where such things are taught.

      What is taught, is rote learning. People are not taught to think, they are taught to obey. They are not taught to question, they are taught to accept what they are told.

      If you would like a practical experiment in testing this theory, try this: ask any person, it doesn't matter who, to point out the flaws in democracy. Most people are so well trained to believe that democracy is the best system ever invented that they are likely to chase you down the streets with pitchforks screaming "terrorist" or "unamerican" rather than answer the question.

  5. Let me take this great opportunity to inform you.. by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 3, Funny

    With due respect,trust and humanity,I write this letterto you seeking your help and assistance,though its difficult since we have not met before.I got your address from the SOUTH AFRICA INFORMATION EXCHANGE (S.A.I.E)regarding your business profile and sincerity.I believe that you are capable and reliable in handling this urgent international transaction of this sort.

    I am MR.RUFUS MUKHENZE,the first and only son of COMRADE.BORDER D.MUKHENZE,the Zimbabwean former Minister for Youth & Gender Equality who is also a businessman and politician,in the Zimbabwean political arena.My father was the famous politician who stood firm against President Mugabes idea of continuous fight in Democratic Republic of Congo and my father also stood against the seizure of white owned farms and the distribution of it to the blacks without Compesiation to the white owners.Before my father's death, in his "WILL"he specifically drew my attention to this sum of US$21,320Million,(TWENTY ONE MILLION,THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLAR)which he deposited in a safe box of a private security company in south Africa,INFACT MY FATHER SAID IN HIS WILL AND QUOTE:-

    "MY beloved son,I wish to draw your attention to the sum of US$21,320,000.00(TWENTY ONE MILLION,THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND UNITED STATE DOLLAR), which I deposited in a box with a security company in Johannesburg,South Africa. Incase of my absence on earth caused by death,only you should solicit for reliable foreign partner to assist you to transfer this money out of south Africa for investment purpose.I deposited the money in your name and it can be claimed by you alone with the deposit code.Your mother has all the document.Take good care of your mother and
    sister

    From the above,you will understand that the lives and future of my family depends on this money,I will be very grateful if you can assist us,we are
    now living in South Africa as political asylum seekers and the financial laws of south Africa does not allow asylum seeker certain financial rights to such huge amount of money.In view of this,I cannot invest this money here in south africa,hence I am asking you to assist me transfer this money out of south africa for investment purpose.

    For your efforts,am prepared to offer you 25%of the total fund, while 5%will be set aside for local and international expenses and 70%will be kept by my family and me.All I want you to do is to furnish me with your entire personal phone and fax numbers for easy communication. Note that this transaction is 100% Risk free and absolutely confidential.

    Looking forward hearing from you.

    Yours Faithfully
    MR. RUFUS MUKHENZE

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  6. fuzzy math by frovingslosh · · Score: 0
    From the article: ....today sentenced the disability pensioner to a maximum of five years and three months in jail, with a non-parole period of four years and four months.

    and later: Marinellis will first be eligible for parole in February 2008.

    Do they let just anyone in Australia do the reporting?

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    1. Re:fuzzy math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Presumably he's already spent some time in jail while he was awaiting trial.

    2. Re:fuzzy math by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      The trial might have taken quite a while...

      I know that Australia is not Poland and is at least a bit civilized, but if our judges often do 10-15 years for some simple criminal cases (well, that's usually when there is a politician involved), 13 months here is not that much.

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    3. Re:fuzzy math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      From the article: ....today sentenced the disability pensioner to a maximum of five years and three months in jail, with a non-parole period of four years and four months.
      and later: Marinellis will first be eligible for parole in February 2008.

      Do they let just anyone in Australia do the reporting?
      It is generally a good idea to know what you're talking about before you mock other people.

      He was arrested in October of 2003, and has spent most of the time between then and now in jail. October 2003 and Febuary 2008 are about 4 years 4 months apart. It isn't that difficult, now is it? This took me all of 30 seconds to find out using Google.

    4. Re:fuzzy math by iamplasma · · Score: 4, Informative

      When calculating prison sentences, if the person has already been held on remand prior to and during trial then that time will be considered part of their punishment. While admittedly one year does seem an exceptionally long time, it's at least a possibility that he has been in remand that long, and that's why he'll be eligible for parole at that time.

    5. Re:fuzzy math by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      We should just assume that, even when it wasn't stated in the article? Was it so likely that a disability pensioner would be in jail before ever being convicted for something no one had yet received jail time for? Were they concerned that this disability pensioner was going to skip out on them?

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    6. Re:fuzzy math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean the disability pensioner who claimed "I have 220 African brothers worldwide" and was able to scam millions from people? Yeah, I can't imagine why they would think this guy would be a flight risk.

    7. Re:fuzzy math by Trozy · · Score: 1
      Was it so likely that a disability pensioner would be in jail before ever being convicted for something no one had yet received jail time for? Were they concerned that this disability pensioner was going to skip out on them?

      That would depend on wheather or not he was scamming his disability pension.

    8. Re:fuzzy math by VocabularyNazi · · Score: 0

      are you that naive as to think he wouldn't leave town ? just because the man is on a disability pension doesn't mean he has a disability to disappear.

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    9. Re:fuzzy math by rking · · Score: 1

      Was it so likely that a disability pensioner would be in jail before ever being convicted for something no one had yet received jail time for?

      This is not the first time someone has been sent to jail for fraud.

    10. Re:fuzzy math by Marlor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Presumably he's already spent some time in jail while he was awaiting trial.

      He has been in jail since October 2003 (according to The Register). If there is a significant risk that an alleged criminal will flee the country, then it is standard practice to deny bail. Someone who claims to have "African Brothers" throughout the world who will help him flee probably fits this description.

      There is more information here.

    11. Re:fuzzy math by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 2, Funny

      Off by 1 ?

      It are sadly a common problem in many computer programs also.

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  7. "disability pensioner" by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How disabled? If he's one of those "disabled" people that you see up on the roof fixing tiles despite a "bad back", then this is no huge surprise. If we're talking wheelchair then I officially lament how times have changed. It used to be that wheelchair-bound geeks ran the local BBS.

    1. Re:"disability pensioner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How disabled? If he's one of those "disabled" people that you see up on the roof fixing tiles despite a "bad back", then this is no huge surprise.
      Can I assume that because you are able to judge what a back problem would stop someone from doing without having any other information on the circumstance that you have some sort of training that is more advanced then the dozen or doctors I've talked to about back injuries? Or should I just assume that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

      It is next to impossible to tell what an injury will/won't prevent someone from doing. I myself have back problems that wouldn't stop me from doing something like carrying 80lbs worth of cement or working on a ladder, however make me touch my toes and I'll probably be in a hospital that night. On a similar sort of thing, I know someone who used to work for the state police, and got hit by a drunk driver while on his motorcycle, it screwed him up to the point where he still can't ride the thing (this was ~7 years ago mind you), but he is afraid to do anything else because pricks like you will go accuse him of lieing about his condition when you don't know squat about what his condition actually is.

    2. Re:"disability pensioner" by xixax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You do not have to be in a wheelchair to collect the disability pension here. It's quite likely he has something like arthritis that makes it difficult for him to work full time. Unless it's a really obvious disability, they usually keep at you to prove you really are disabled.

      A friend of mine was on a disability pension because he is photo-sensitive. They dumped him off said pension the moment he landed a job, and wouldn't let him back on when he found that he could do the work (because he was photo sensitive).

      And even if he is in a wheelchair, I'm sure the judge would have taken that into consideration in his decision (I don't know how well our gaols are set up for sheelchair access).

      Xix.

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    3. Re:"disability pensioner" by xixax · · Score: 1

      when he found that he could do the work

      couldn't! Doh! Murphy strikes.

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    4. Re:"disability pensioner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the idea is that if you are able to fix a roof, or do something else that people are willing to pay money for, then why are you living on taxpayer's expense?

    5. Re:"disability pensioner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, most humans are photo-sensitive, we call that the ability to see :)
      Smart-assing aside, I'm photosensitive as well, but there is nothing I can't do (well, probably night carrier landings or something like that, but I'm not in the military), just how photosensitive is he? He can't be in a room if there is a light on or what?

    6. Re:"disability pensioner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he is afraid to do anything else because pricks like you will go accuse him of lieing about his condition"

      So he's lying about his condition to prevent people from claiming that he's lying about his condition? What a great guy.

    7. Re:"disability pensioner" by pclminion · · Score: 1
      but he is afraid to do anything else because pricks like you will go accuse him of lieing about his condition when you don't know squat about what his condition actually is.

      I see. A guy scams people out of money and claims to have a disability. We doubt the truth of that, given the fact that he's a corrupt fraudster, but I guess that makes us pricks?

    8. Re:"disability pensioner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a big difference between doing X for a few hours a day for a few days, and doing X for 8 hours a day 5 days a week for weeks on end.

  8. Common sense? Critical thinking? by muntumbomoklik · · Score: 5, Funny

    You followed the election last week, didn't you?

    1. Re:Common sense? Critical thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      that just proves people didnt fall for the bigger loser.
      kerry lost, so less than a majority of people are total retards in the US (you didnt think he would actually win did you?)

    2. Re:Common sense? Critical thinking? by Arker · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Actually, if you really want to go there, well over 90% of voters chose either Kerry or Bush one, so there you go. Grandparents point is made. If there is intelligent life in these parts, it's certainly not very common.

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    3. Re:Common sense? Critical thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, there was almost enough of 'em to vote kerry into office.

  9. punishment by adamruck · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make them work for dell customer support for the rest of there lives.

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    1. Re:punishment by james_34567 · · Score: 1

      you're too kind, make them work at Microsoft's customer service... wait a minute, ms doesn't do customer service... yeah, give them to dell!

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    2. Re:punishment by IInventedTheInternet · · Score: 1

      If the local Indian flora and fauna don't get him, the stress of people unable to find the "ON" switch will surely drive him to suicide.

    3. Re:punishment by jimicus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Make them work for dell customer support for the rest of there lives.

      Make them try calling Dell for customer support for the rest of their lives.

      Twice as nasty and you don't have to relocate him at taxpayers expense to India as part of the punishment.

  10. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN... by PerpetualMotion · · Score: 1

    There are more news organizations around the world than those we are familiar with in the USA.

    1. Re:ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Umm.. your point? This is talking about the ABC, as in the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, not the Disney company.

    2. Re:ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN... by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 1

      Indeed, there are several mass media organisations known as ABC. The oldest news organisation with this name appears to be Spain's Diario ABC. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation commenced operation in 1932. The American Broadcasting Company became known by that name in 1943.

  11. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply awesome!

  12. One down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    418 to go.

  13. No, by King_of_Prussia · · Score: 1

    just the Australians.

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  14. Life is great. by pronobozo · · Score: 0

    It's great to see them finally do something about it. Here check out real ways to make money.

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  15. Always must mention when the topic of 419 comes up by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 4, Informative

    419 Eater is one of the funniest sites on the net. Check it out when you need a good laugh.

  16. Where's my pot by ET_Fleshy · · Score: 2, Funny
    "There's a lot of gullible people out there that are very vulnerable and they think that this is the pot at the end of the rainbow"
    Don't those people know that pots of gold are always guarded by trixy leprechauns who'll con you out of your own money to add to the pot?
    1. Re:Where's my pot by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't those people know that pots of gold are always guarded by trixy leprechauns. . .

      No, no, no. Trix are guarded by kids. Lucky Charms are guarded by leprechauns.

      KFG

    2. Re:Where's my pot by feidaykin · · Score: 1

      I cannot resist the urge to link to this amusing bash.org quote on the subject of cereal mascots.

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    3. Re:Where's my pot by kfg · · Score: 1

      "that's a 6 foot fuckin RABBIT with his ears tucked under a baseball cap...

      Nobody brings anything small into a bar around here. . .and they all started out with bad directions.

      KFG

  17. Speaking of Nigerian Scam Artist by Seventh+Magpie · · Score: 5, Funny

    They even have an annual conference. Check out this site for a laugh!

  18. Re:Always must mention when the topic of 419 comes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact this is one of the funniest MP3s I've ever heard, of an actual 419 scammer calling an actual victim: http://419eater.com/images/audio/martins_jide/mart ins_jide_191004b.mp3

  19. OT: Red vs Blue by Bega · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come to think of the NYC Video Festival Red vs Blue extra.

    - Hi, I am Nigerian royalty, and I want you to send me money. Please disregard the fact that I can't spell Nigeria or royalty.

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  20. lighten up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it was a joke.

  21. Greed by nate+nice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't be consumed by greed. Although people taken by this scam are indeed victims, I have trouble feeling really bad for them. They thought they could get something for free, with no work, effort or percieved risk and they end up paying for it. Life teaches really hard lessons if you don't take notes before hand. Either way, you will learn these lessons. Just hope you are a good student so you don't have to be taught by example.

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  22. Ideas for frustrating "419" scammers by Serious+Simon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I am quite annoyed by the stream of scam emails I receive, and always forward them to abuse@ of the e-mail accounts provider that the scammers use (mostly free mailboxes).

    Hopefully these accounts will then be shut down before any potential victim can respond. The fact that the scammers often use a different email address in their follow-up communication indicates that these accounts are indeed often short lived.

    I have thought of mail bombing these accounts until they are shut down, preferably with legit looking bogus responses that the scammers have to read one by one, wasting their time and hopefully having them pay for extra online time in their Lagos cybercafe. It would help if each of you would send a response on any scam e-mail you receive (don't use your regular email account).

    Frankly I don't have the time and the talent for elaborate scambaiting (http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm is hilarious!), but I am interested in any other simple but efficient ideas for frustrating these scambags.

    1. Re:Ideas for frustrating "419" scammers by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      1) the fun with 419 spammers is their reply address has to be real.
      2) enough gmail invites left for various purposes
      3) have fun with a 419
      4) no profit ;)

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    2. Re:Ideas for frustrating "419" scammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always forward those that get past my filters to all responsible abuse addresses. But unless the account is at hotmail, yahoo or one of the thousands of domains hosted by mail.com, it is unlikely that anything happens. Often there is a standard reply, sometimes stating why they feel they are not responsible, but more often the abuse@ address just does not exist or the mailbox is full.
      When I get repeated junk from domains that apparently do not handle abuse, I just block the entire domain.
      But still those clueless Nigerians don't seem to understand I am not interested, and sending me their scam is a risk to their own account.

      Lately they seem to have switched from large webmail providers like yahoo to websites running "PHPnuke". Those are often run by amateurs, are not secure, and never provide an abuse address.
      Fortunately, this mail is very easy to filter.
      (many clues in both headers and tagline indicate the mail was sent via such a service)

  23. Disabled pensioner, not disability pensioner by fasura · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    en tea

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  24. emails on sale at MercadoLibre (eBay) by pmagsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The war on spam is a very tough one. I have found that there are some email databases on sale at MercadoLibre (eBay branch for Latin America). Vendors also offer software for capturing emails on the Internet and for sending (up to 30000 emails per hour). You may see my finding here: http://abundando.blogspot.com/2004/11/se-lucran-eb ay-y-mercadolibre-con-el.html I'm sorry guys. Post is written in Spanish.

  25. Racist! by DrInequality · · Score: 1, Troll
    if people were not protected from themselves, they would turn into the middle east.

    Now that's plain racist.

    Try "if people were not protected from themselves, they would turn into the USA" on for size.

    Next try some tolerance...

  26. Good $ in this scamming, then... by rolling_or_jaded · · Score: 1

    ...I'm surprised people are _that_ dumb.

    From a New Zealand Herald article:

    Although described in court as a church-going disability pensioner and a diagnosed schizophrenic who cared for his ailing parents, police said his assets included a A$970,000 house and seven other properties in New South Wales, five cars, and an office complex in the British city of Nottingham.

    Seems this guy (Nick Marinellis) wasn't real smart though...

    Police said they were first alerted in February last year when the Hungarian Consulate had complained that a "Dr Nick Marinellis" had demanded US$2500 ($3604) in connection with an attempted scam.

    So he's an idiot, and he still managed to make megabucks...

  27. It's disgusting by Bloke+in+a+box · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regardless of how old someone is or what mental / physical state they are in. Ripping people off is not acceptable.

  28. This is one 419 prosecution of many by bit01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This news item is little old. Many nigerian scammers have been prosecuted.

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  29. The New World Law of Godwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I was wondering how long till somebody mentions Bush's foreign policy...

  30. Better story by rob_au · · Score: 1

    A much more informative piece can be found on the Syndey Morning Herald web page at http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Internet-con-m an-gets-five-years-jail/2004/11/08/1099781322257.h tml

  31. No no, *this* is karma whoring by blowdart · · Score: 5, Funny
    REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

    First, I must request your anonymous cowardice in this transaction. This is by virtue of its nature as being 'Top Taco'. I am sure and have confidence of your abaility and moderation points to prosecture a transaction of this great magniture.

    I am Timothy of the slashdot editoral staff review board who is interested in the distribution of moderation points and karma points in return for never pointing out duplicate posts. These points are currently trapped in an NT4.0 box. In order to commence this business we solicit your moderation to enables us to transfer into your account said karma.

    The source of this fund is as follows; during the slashdot buyout by OSTG corrupt editors setup fake usrs and awarded them insightful posts, which were grossly overrated. The present moderating team has set up a topic review panel (although as you know it is ineffective) and have identified a lot of karma poitns which are presently floating in a cardbox box underneath CmdTaco's bed.

    By virtue of my position as editor I am free to ignore any emails pointing out duplicate posts but I cannot acquire the karma points in my name. I am therefore looking for an overseas partner into whose 0wn3d windoze box we can transfer this karama, to a grand total of SDK1024 (ONE THOUSAND AND TWENTY FOUR slashdot karma). I are writing this email as I am willing to share the karma points with you, 20% for you, the account owner, 70% for us, 10% to bribe people to shut up about duplicate posts.

    Please note this transaction is 100% safe as we will use paypal and we hope to commence the transfer latest 7 banking days after the next topic which attacks Microsoft without ever reading the links in the topic.

    Please email by return your username, password, IP address, inside leg measurement and pictures of Natalie Portman, naked, petrified and covered in grits.

    I look forward to doing business with you.

    YOURS FAITHFULLY,

    Timothy

    NOTE; PLEASE QUOTE THIS REFERENCE NUMBER (KARMA/WHORE) IN ALL YOUR RESPONSES.

    1. Re:No no, *this* is karma whoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hot grits, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:No no, *this* is karma whoring by archen · · Score: 2, Funny

      I are writing this email as I am willing to share the karma points with you, 20% for you, the account owner, 70% for us, 10% to bribe people to shut up about duplicate posts.

      You know that's not Timothy, because the math on the percentages don't add up to above 100%

    3. Re:No no, *this* is karma whoring by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      This can't be a scam. He used the same name the whole way through.

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      DarkMantle I been bored, so I started a blog.
  32. Wrong species by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Common sense? Are we talking about "homo sapiens"?

    --
    The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
  33. Interesting coincidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last Friday evening, I sent a scammer I was baiting a fake Western Union certificate, which he was going to cash in yesterday. I haven't heard anything from him or any of his aliases. I think he probably just got wise to it, but I can only hope... ;)

  34. Umm, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more common benefit is 'sickness allowance' which is a temporary payment to people who are not able to work for a certain period of time (ie. due to a back injury).

    A disability pension is only available to those deemed unable to work at all for an indefinite period of time. I imagine it's a little harder to get a doctor to commit to that sort of time frame (though, there's always the corrupt ones).

    It's pretty difficult to get a full disability pension if there's any chance of you working again.

  35. Here's a little more info on Nick Marinellis by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article is a bit sketchy, he actually took over 5 Million Australian dollars from scamees including 571,302 Australian dollars from a Saudi sheik. The latter article make for interesting reading.

    One of my favourite anti-spam sites (including the name) is What's the bloody point?? I especially like bait number 8 featuring Miss Maureen Adje Charlse only surviving daughter v Norman Gorman Smith-Bidet III & Gonad McDangle.

    --
    Kevin
    "It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
  36. US always behind on convicting... by itallushrt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps I'm in the wrong here, I honestly don't recall any convictions, but how come the US, supposedly the most technically advanced nation in the world, is always way behind on upholding the law involving cyber crime?

    Every article you read always comes out of somewhere else.

    1. Re:US always behind on convicting... by Kombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      how come the US, supposedly the most technically advanced nation in the world, is always way behind on upholding the law involving cyber crime?

      Easy: Because the US is actually way ahead in its laws and enforcement regarding cybercrime, so the scammers always originate in foreign, usually developing nations where the cybercrime laws are extremely lax or non-existent, or the enforcement is so minimal that they have bigger things to concern themselves with than poverty-stricken locals trying to rip off (perceived) fat, lazy, greedy foreigners.

      Does that answer your questions?

      --
      Like woodworking? Build your own picture frames.
  37. While I'm at it, here's some more by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    These are all my favourite anti-scam 419 sites pulled from my bookmarks file (I hope that they are ready for the /. effect!)

    Got Mike. Mo meets a pretty woman is a classic.
    Scan-O-Rama
    Insolitology
    Tastes like gold
    Ebola monkey man. Well worth a read, very funny.
    Quatloos, The Brad Christensen Exhibit. Check out ROSEMARY KABBAH -- Romancing the Pickle Taco.
    and last but not least 419 Eater which has a personal recommendation on the front page.

    Enjoy!

    --
    Kevin
    "It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
  38. Schizophrenia by akintayo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently his disability is a mental illness.

    http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Nigerian/niger ian_busts_2003.htm

    --
    Woe be on to them, all who rise against poor people, shall perish in a the end. Buju Banton
  39. Teh reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have had 11 posts in one day! and 4 from the previous day! A lots of one mod point, few offtopic and one troll, they probably think you are spamming.

    Excessive bad posting, over the last week?

  40. US Mindset... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ....while I've certainly read about people elsewhere that are suckered too, I think it really fits well to the american mindset. What mindset? The dream to make it big. Real big. The american dream and all that. Like "The apprentice" and Donald Trump.

    Many people realize that they aren't going to be the next Bill Gates, but they still dream. So they play on the lottery and hope that one day their dream will be fulfilled. Along comes this email promising the riches you desire.

    Of course people aren't convinced at once, but they become convinced through smooth words. Why? Because they want to believe. They want to believe that their luck has changed, that they will become rich, and that everything is true. There is no critical thinking because they've already accepted the premise - that their luck has changed - and thus this offer must be real. Flawed logic at its best.

    Once you live that lie, you're caught. Your life stops revolving around what is real and starts revolving around what it will be. Not what might be, what will be. And you just have to get there, do what it takes to get there. Once you do, everything will be so great that any sacrifice you make along the way doesn't matter. And so people sell all they have and believe.

    When you're first on that path, it is as if you're falling and the prize is there at the bottom to catch you. You can dismiss all your friends, family, bank manager, lawyers and even the police. You will believe any lie of how getting to the prize is harder, and how they need more money. But you can't accept that there is no prize.

    It is quite simply circular reasoning - because there's a price at the bottom, you're going after it - and because you're going after it, the price must be there. Most people can't see a cirular argument if it kicked their butt. (Example: God created Nature, hence Nature exists. Nature is a divine creation, hence God exists.)

    Kjella

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    1. Re:US Mindset... by stam66 · · Score: 1

      Well said - I think this describes what goes through the victims mind with pin point accuracy. Very few people are unintelligent enough to fall for this kind of thing, unless they manage to convince themselves with the flawed circular logic that what is so clearly a scam must be true.

  41. Not bad by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Only 12 hours between the time I submitted the EXACT SAME STORY and had it rejected before it was posted.

    Keep up the good work guys.

    Slashdot: where you can be sure of a duplicate story every other day and where the editors don't talk to one another.

    Mod me down. I don't care. Karma to burn.

    --
    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Not bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      70% offtopic, 30% funny.

      Mods no longer on crack, now on LSD and Heroin.

  42. Good - brilliant by eneville · · Score: 1

    He should also have to de-spam the victims inboxes while he is serving his time, and for 10 years there after.

  43. Processing Fees by SWroclawski · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd like to send him an email saying that I can get him out of jail and have a ton of lawyers standing by prepared to give him free legal representation. All he needs to do is send me $30,000 in processing fees.

    1. Re:Processing Fees by crimson30 · · Score: 1

      While internet access is doubtful for this guy, he's certain to have a snail mail jail address. If only we could get it and post it on the web... now THAT would be justice!

  44. fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2004-11-08 14:16:00 Aussie "Head of 419ers" Jailed (Index,It's funny. Laugh.) (rejected)

  45. Does He Get To Keep The Money? by Junior+Samples · · Score: 1

    5 years in jail may be an equitable trade off for the millions that he received.

  46. My effort by spidergoat2 · · Score: 1

    http://www.scamorama.com/bigmac.html

    1. Re:My effort by Deorus · · Score: 1

      ROFL literally! Thanks for the good laugh "Mac Sandwich"!

    2. Re:My effort by spidergoat2 · · Score: 1

      It's Big Mac to my friends!

  47. I replied to a scamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    He replied back:

    From : Dr. John Mikado.
    Corporate Line: + 27 - 82 - 5983458
    Corporate Fax: + 27 - 82 - 5912472
    Confidential Line: + 873 - 762 - 534365
    Confidential Fax: + 873 - 762 - 534366

    Dear Alexxxxx Xxxxxxx,

    Let me first thank you for your response, and hope you are doing fine?

    For purpose of clarity, we are four-man members of the Department of Minerals & Energy vested with the authority to appraise and approve contracts according to the priority of the Government of South
    Africa by virtue of our official positions in the Department of Minerals & Energy, we have been able over a period of time through careful manipulation of contracts awarded secured for ourselves an
    over-invoiced amount of US$28.5M (Twenty-Eight Million, Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) only, which was an inflated contract sum originally awarded and executed by a Foriegn company and now we need your
    assistance to transfer the said fund into a safe offshore account.

    We need your assistance as the fund is secured into an escrow account of the Government specifically set aside for the settlement of outstanding payments to foreign contractors. We are handicapped in this circumstance, as the South African Civil service Code of Conduct does not allow us to operate offshore account hence your importance in the whole transaction.

    Consequently, we want to front you/your company as the new beneficiary of the sum of US$28.5M.

    For this purpose:

    1) We will require you send to us via fax your banking details, i.e. account number, routing or sort code,bank name, address, phone and fax number, and your personal phone and fax numbers, your company's name
    and beneficiary name, that's your name, which we will now use to transfer the rights and privileges of the original contractor in your favor, should you not feel confortable with releasing your account details, then
    you can set up a new one for this transaction.

    2) With the appropriate documentations and approvals from the Department of Finance, in your favor the Reserve Bank will be notified to transfer the funds into your account.

    3) Finally, we intend arriving your place with the relevant original papers/documents within 48 hours as soon as you receive notification/instructions of transfer from the Reserve Bank of South Africa before the funds are finally transferred into your nominated
    account.

    In this regard, we will apply for all documents immediately in order to facilitate quick approval of the funds and remember that this business is 100% genuine and safe as long as you and I maintain maximum confidentiality.

    However, there are some certain procedures we have to follow to ensure a successful conclusion of this transaction within the stipulated time frame. I want to inform you that with your maximum co-operation and
    confidentiality,this transaction will be concluded within the stipulated time frame.

    With the informations you will fax to me, we will have to incorporate your company name with the Corporate Affairs Commission (C.A.C) and also register your company with the Department of Minerals and Energy as
    a registered foreign contractor that won her contract under this Department. It will now seem that your company was actually in existence here in South Africa before this contract was awarded, as we are going to
    backdate the certificate of incorporation and registration to be in line with what we are doing,already arrangement have been concluded with the
    concerned officials, to make this possible once the informations are received.

    Secondly, we are going to pay for a three years Income Tax on the incorporated company's name, and also we will go ahead to swear an affidavit at the Department of Justice to nullify this transaction due and legal whereby it does not contradicts the Laws of South
    Africa. All these, we are going to do here in South Africa to ensure a smooth transfer of this funds into your account. We have put al

  48. Whack-a-mugu! by jcuervo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love that game. Fun to play, easy to win.

    Sysadmins need to be given legal authority to throw people in jail.

    Hmm. Maybe not.

    --
    Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
  49. Re:how the fool got the money in the first place! by Gallowglass · · Score: 1

    Umm . . .

    Inheritance?

  50. One Down.... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    46,000,000 (FORTY-SIX MILLION)... to go...

    bunch of lower case letters to increase the ratio of caps to uncaps to please the slashdot filter...

  51. equality of rights include right to be sleazeballs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    damn it, why would you assume the guys' disability is fake? because you think crips cannot be sleazeballs by definition? that's mightily prejudiced of you, poor tiny tim cannot possibly be bad, can he?; equality of rights and opportunities includes the right of being sleazeballs and crooks and criminals if we damn please. Get used to it. And if a gimps chooses a criminal carreer, he might as well go for 419s schemes, id theft, and other equal opportunities online crimes which doesn't involve all this messy and sweaty running around and shooting and being shot at of many more mainstream criminal activities.

  52. What was the search term you used? by jesterzog · · Score: 1

    Just wondering...

  53. A new spin(?) on an old scam: pre-screen the marks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ATTN: Dearly Beloved

    This communication to you is strictly
    confidential, with due respect. Sorry at this
    perceived confusion or stress you may have receiving
    this letter from me, Since we have not known ourselves
    or met previously. Despite that, I am constrained to
    write you this letter because of the urgency of it.By
    way of self introduction, I am Mrs. Sarah Kobe, the wife
    of late Brigadier - Gen.Maxwell Kobe former ECOMOG
    ARMY COMMANDER [West African peacekeeping force in
    Sierra Leone] who died in the Sierra Leone civil
    disturbance [War]. My three daughters and I are
    trapped in obnoxious custom and traditional norms.

    We have suffered maltreatment and untold hardship in
    the hands of my late husband's family, simply because
    I did not bear a male child [heir apparent] for my
    late husband. By tradition, all that my late husband
    had, [wealth] belongs to his brothers/family. And
    myself is to be remarried by his immediate younger
    brother which I vehemently refused. They have taken
    all that I suffered with my husband to acquire
    including treasures, houses and his bank particular
    seized by them. I wanted to escape to the United State
    of America [USA} with my children on exile, but again
    they conspired and stole my international passport and
    other traveling document to further frustrate me.

    Thank God, two weeks ago, I received Key Text Code
    [KTC} from a Security & Finance Company abroad, that
    my late husband maintains a saftey deposit box of high value
    with this company and i am the next of kin sotherefore i should
    make necessary arrangements to come for the claim
    of the box .
    It has therefore, become very necessary and
    urgent to contact someone, a foreigner like you to
    help me receive/secure the consignment
    while we i and my children find a way of getting out to
    meet with you in your country.

    The consignment was kept on an "OPEN BENEFICIARY MANDATE"
    with the Security Company to avoid detection, seizure
    or diversion. I have had several telephone discussions
    with the Assistant Director of the security company,
    who has expressed willingness to help me on meeting the
    company's demands. This is why I have
    contacted you to help save my children and I, receive/secure
    the safety box on our behalf. But, you would need to give
    me sufficient assurance that if you help me, you would
    not divert its contents which i will reveal to you
    as this is an information known only to me and no one else.
    My children and I have resolved
    to give you a certain percentage for your honest assistance
    to us and i shall open up to you as i have to be careful
    for this is the only way i and my children stand to live
    better lives.
    This is all my children and I have got to live on.

    Please, I have reposed my confidence in you and hope
    you will not disappoint me. I look forward to your
    urgent response, including your private phone / mobile
    No and also your fax no for easier communication.

    NB: The secret codes (e.g Pin No., Secret Access Code)
    for the box are safely kept with me which I will give
    you as soon as you express desire to help me.

    Stay blessed.

    MRS.Sarah Kobe.