So you mean that it's equally easy (in average) to con somebody with IQ 90 and somebody with IQ 140? Sure, somebody with IQ 140 or higher can be conned and I'm sure there's anecdotally evidence for that, but that doesn't mean it's equally easy to con smart(er) people.
Of course to understand the difference between the general rule and "it can happen" you probably need to have an IQ in three digits.
(by the way I'm using IQ as a proxy for "intelligence" only as a shortcut, I know there are problem with this measure)
Is not that Christianity has moved ahead and Islam has remained behind, it's that people in the West moved ahead and left Christianity behind (with all the horrors that the religious fundamentalism, no matter what religion, implies).
You can't have communism without telling people that they don't dispose freely of their time and the product of their time and effort (sure even in democracies and capitalism there are things like taxes and regulations, but communism cannot simply exist if it lets people be free and decide for themselves what to do with their time, effort and their products).
So if communism restricts freedom so severely you'd be hard pressed to show how a democracy would work in such a society... now, it's also a matter how you define democracy, if you define only by "everybody gets to vote" or if you define it as liberal democracy is usually defined including individual rights and freedoms.
Actually you got this in reverse, if there's no mandate people would simply drop off and get the insurance only when they get sick (remember, insurance can deny coverage based on "pre-existing" conditions anymore), thus driving the price of insurance higher (only sick will get insured) and then even more people would drop the insurance and drive the price even higher... spiraling out of control.
If government declares aid workers and people visiting family as enemy combatants that's bad, but do you have any example of such instances? I just objected to the idea that everybody "has rights", if you declared war on US, you are armed, and plan to kill people you have no rights. Yes, if you are captured I think you should be tried fairly (and not tortured) but while you are armed and dangerous you can be pursued and killed (even in US not only in Pakistan).
I actually wouldn't have any problem with you being killed if you go to spend your vacation in a war area, I would actually propose you for a Darwin award.
I also think you missed some relevant pieces from the page you linked to:
"The security situation in many rural areas is extremely hazardous. American citizens need to obtain advance permission from local or federal authorities to travel to the FATA and large parts of the NWFP, and Balochistan Province."
and...
"Pakistani security forces are currently engaged in a campaign against extremist elements across many areas of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and parts of the NWFP, including the Swat Valley. Access to many areas of Pakistan, including the FATA along the Afghan border, is restricted by local government authorities for non-Pakistanis. Travel to any restricted region requires official permission by the Government of Pakistan. "
And... the part about terrorists, anti-Western mobs, kidnappings, Al-Qaida and Talibans: "the presence of Al-Qaida, Taliban elements, and indigenous militant sectarian groups poses a potential danger to American citizens throughout Pakistan, especially in the western border regions of the country. "
So, if you still want to spend your vacation there, and if you are unarmed and you haven't declared the war on US and somehow you are killed by mistake by a drone, well, tough shit.
Yes, but robbers didn't declare war on US or joined somebody who declared war on US and they are not on foreign soil preparing for such war, I fail to see how this is "putting down the gun". Besides such people in Pakistan almost always carry a gun.
If they came in US I'm sure they would be arrested, if they are in Afghanistan or Pakistan armed and training for jihad that's not equivalent with "putting down the gun".
True, but to some point, if you are armed and dangerous and want to kill people you have no right to "legal process" just like somebody who keeps people in a robbery at gunpoint doesn't have any such rights. If you are captured or you surrender then yes, you have the rights for legal process, otherwise you are fair game.
"I seem to recall something about having a right to a fair trial if I'm a US citizen." -- that's if you are captured, imprisoned and in general rendered harmless, if you are armed and dangerous and brag/want/plan to kill Americans (and/or declare war on US) you have no such rights... it's the law, and common sense too.
And your assessment is based on what, voodoo? How do you know about the future? And not even the present and post even if they would be a good predictors of the future don't point to that, the fastest browser is a closed source browser (Opera) and Linux has not doubled its speed every 18 months. So, where do you get that from?
What I mean by that is that I haven't see yet any sign of generic intelligence -- otherwise if you consider programs that beat human at chess "intelligent" that has already happened. But those programs cannot even solve a tic-tac-toe game because they don't actually "understand" what's going on. They have some inputs some processing and they give you an output, if you vary the input and the problem or if you expect a different type of output the program would not know how to adjust, therefore I would not considered that "intelligent". Neuronal nets and artificial brains are another thing, but they are still at the very beginning.
"superhuman intelligence" there might be some limit to intelligence, I don't mean memory and computation speed, I mean the understanding that if "A implies B" then "non B implies non A"... once an artificial brain understands that concept there's not so much more to understand about it.
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So you mean that it's equally easy (in average) to con somebody with IQ 90 and somebody with IQ 140? Sure, somebody with IQ 140 or higher can be conned and I'm sure there's anecdotally evidence for that, but that doesn't mean it's equally easy to con smart(er) people.
Of course to understand the difference between the general rule and "it can happen" you probably need to have an IQ in three digits.
(by the way I'm using IQ as a proxy for "intelligence" only as a shortcut, I know there are problem with this measure)
"HP knows how to build and sell hardware, not operating systems."
And Apple knows how to sell computers, not phones, or music, or books. Oh wait...
"Nuking and terraforming a planet with intelligent life is genocide."
And? Do you think an alien intelligence would have the same principle as we have? Even the term itself "genocide" is less than 70 years old...
You are on Slasdot on Sunday, it's not like you have friends or social life, so stop pretending and get down from the high horse...
Is not that Christianity has moved ahead and Islam has remained behind, it's that people in the West moved ahead and left Christianity behind (with all the horrors that the religious fundamentalism, no matter what religion, implies).
And yes, these troglodytes are disgusting.
Opera doesn't have pinching at all, it works by tapping. Duh!
Think of the cartoons! Oh, wait...
Gnash has 64 bit version that doesn't use nspluginwrapper, and Flash has a 64 bit alpha (that works rather well).
I'm a Linux user (and fan, one could say) and in general don't like Microsoft and their products, but this is beyond ridiculous. Leave Miguel alone!
You can't have communism without telling people that they don't dispose freely of their time and the product of their time and effort (sure even in democracies and capitalism there are things like taxes and regulations, but communism cannot simply exist if it lets people be free and decide for themselves what to do with their time, effort and their products).
So if communism restricts freedom so severely you'd be hard pressed to show how a democracy would work in such a society... now, it's also a matter how you define democracy, if you define only by "everybody gets to vote" or if you define it as liberal democracy is usually defined including individual rights and freedoms.
Actually you got this in reverse, if there's no mandate people would simply drop off and get the insurance only when they get sick (remember, insurance can deny coverage based on "pre-existing" conditions anymore), thus driving the price of insurance higher (only sick will get insured) and then even more people would drop the insurance and drive the price even higher... spiraling out of control.
If government declares aid workers and people visiting family as enemy combatants that's bad, but do you have any example of such instances? I just objected to the idea that everybody "has rights", if you declared war on US, you are armed, and plan to kill people you have no rights. Yes, if you are captured I think you should be tried fairly (and not tortured) but while you are armed and dangerous you can be pursued and killed (even in US not only in Pakistan).
I actually wouldn't have any problem with you being killed if you go to spend your vacation in a war area, I would actually propose you for a Darwin award.
I also think you missed some relevant pieces from the page you linked to:
"The security situation in many rural areas is extremely hazardous. American citizens need to obtain advance permission from local or federal authorities to travel to the FATA and large parts of the NWFP, and Balochistan Province."
and...
"Pakistani security forces are currently engaged in a campaign against extremist elements across many areas of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and parts of the NWFP, including the Swat Valley. Access to many areas of Pakistan, including the FATA along the Afghan border, is restricted by local government authorities for non-Pakistanis. Travel to any restricted region requires official permission by the Government of Pakistan. "
And... the part about terrorists, anti-Western mobs, kidnappings, Al-Qaida and Talibans: "the presence of Al-Qaida, Taliban elements, and indigenous militant sectarian groups poses a potential danger to American citizens throughout Pakistan, especially in the western border regions of the country. "
So, if you still want to spend your vacation there, and if you are unarmed and you haven't declared the war on US and somehow you are killed by mistake by a drone, well, tough shit.
Yes, but robbers didn't declare war on US or joined somebody who declared war on US and they are not on foreign soil preparing for such war, I fail to see how this is "putting down the gun". Besides such people in Pakistan almost always carry a gun.
If they came in US I'm sure they would be arrested, if they are in Afghanistan or Pakistan armed and training for jihad that's not equivalent with "putting down the gun".
True, but to some point, if you are armed and dangerous and want to kill people you have no right to "legal process" just like somebody who keeps people in a robbery at gunpoint doesn't have any such rights. If you are captured or you surrender then yes, you have the rights for legal process, otherwise you are fair game.
"I seem to recall something about having a right to a fair trial if I'm a US citizen." -- that's if you are captured, imprisoned and in general rendered harmless, if you are armed and dangerous and brag/want/plan to kill Americans (and/or declare war on US) you have no such rights... it's the law, and common sense too.
And your assessment is based on what, voodoo? How do you know about the future? And not even the present and post even if they would be a good predictors of the future don't point to that, the fastest browser is a closed source browser (Opera) and Linux has not doubled its speed every 18 months. So, where do you get that from?
"art", looks to me like snobbery. What would happen if I listen to "Money", would the sky fall down on me or the artist?
He's the same guy who thinks that Linux is hard to use.
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These numbers are not random, but they are not predictable (at least not by you).
Mod parent up (she's a women).
whoosh...
Ubuntu 64 bit uses 32 bit flash :P (and it sucks, 64 bit flash works better, with the exception of Hulu of course)
"same packages on other distros work just fine"
And why is that? How hard is to compile KDE? Do Kubuntu devs mess up packaging on purpose? I bet there's some thing going on here...
What I mean by that is that I haven't see yet any sign of generic intelligence -- otherwise if you consider programs that beat human at chess "intelligent" that has already happened. But those programs cannot even solve a tic-tac-toe game because they don't actually "understand" what's going on. They have some inputs some processing and they give you an output, if you vary the input and the problem or if you expect a different type of output the program would not know how to adjust, therefore I would not considered that "intelligent". Neuronal nets and artificial brains are another thing, but they are still at the very beginning.
"superhuman intelligence" there might be some limit to intelligence, I don't mean memory and computation speed, I mean the understanding that if "A implies B" then "non B implies non A"... once an artificial brain understands that concept there's not so much more to understand about it.