aaaah the debate on this rages on, I'm hoping that this AC (or someone knowledgable)shall choose to speak again on this point and enlighten me some on how he came to that conclusion. My personal thought is the less known about a product the less that can be discovered. No code is perfect and no code ever will be, therefore is it better to just simply hide the mistakes. Of course this opinion is subject to change by a well written post. Thoughts?
I'm not sure whether this was intended as a troll or not, but to stand up for them I'll bite:
Their code and comments was well written easy to understand, as referenced in parent it was high quality. Honestly I think the decision to outsource that code to India was a very good decision from a business standpoint. Did it cost a coder a job here? Not really we're hiring...
Some functions outsorced to India (or wherever for that matter) work out well, and some don't. Speaking from experience, we just completed a major project with a firm in India, which helped us greatly, producing quality code with few bugs (about the same ratio as an equivalent U.S. Programmer).
However afterwards we didn't feel that for our clientele they would provide adequate support and maintenance programming capability so they were released from there. So now it's my job to do some of the front line maintenance for this code and respond to customer issues with minor tweaks as needed.
In short: no one solution is a magic bullet, everything needs careful analysis.
And you want their equipment deciding votes, dear got if you can get a worm on the holy of holies, a cash dispensing machine. I seriously doubt that the next holy machine, a voting machine should be running Diebold systems.
Seriously people, embedded proprietary operating software (neither XP or Unix or anything widely made public) is the best way to go with these sacred machines. Worms will have a difficult (tho dare I say impossible) time working their way in. So the problems will hopefully be minimal.
I hear you there, but where is the incentive? Who's paying for the cataloging and improving the efficiency of patenting information? The patent attorneys? Yeah right, that's their source of income:-/ The government, with whose taxpayer dollars?
Yes it's messed up, no it's not changing in short...
inventing flight: well they just helped space flight...do with that what you will.
defeating the Nazis: naaah just hired them all
The transcontinental railroad: Well when you think about it the Transcontinental railroad was probably a stepping stone to flight and space flight, so one might argue that Santa Fe, Union Pacific and Southern Pacific RR had something to do with Spaceflight, no?
People make jokes about SCO that are offtopic from the SCO story itself (in 2 pagedown scrollings I haven't seen anything relating to SCO vs. BSD), and are getting modded up, even to +5 funny. I take it pretty much everyone, even the evil MS developers (such as myself) are getting pretty annoyed by SCO (if that wasn't the understatement of my lifetime).
Thinking about this financially...
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Well 17 million $ / $699 = 24,321 (rounding up remainders), can SCO find 24,321 users to pay for the Linux license? Chances are that there are 24,321 corporate workstations that will be paid for should SCO win, so unfortunately SCO wins at this point.
But really, their image? Their likelihood of getting future products bought that they offer? Anyone in the Linux community buying SCO after this? Tangibly this much money still makes sense, but intangibly I'd be concerned about the long term effect on SCO.
I'd have to admit, Mozilla has made some great strides at least as far as its place on my desktop.
After the demise of netscape in market share, I became a complacent IE user, and my web page development was IE focused, with Netscape being a back-watered to make sure it just looks "reasonable". However...
When I upgraded to Windows XP, I found IE locking up and having some more general weirdnesses than before. Frustrated I download the latest stable Mozilla (currently I'm still using 1.4). All I could say is Wow...a faster load time than IE ever was, and it's actually easier to code than for IE, with descriptive Javascript errors, and *gasp* debugging for Javascript that works intuitively. Built in popup blocking, etc...
Nowadays both get equal treatment in my web development, simply being "reasonable" isn't enough in Netscape, my pages must work as intended in Netscape/Mozilla or I will be re-checking my code. What's next?? Might I even ditch WinXP and grab the latest Debian build? Perish the thought...
Well I didn't say we'd have to soft land a comet now, but with a reverse inertia generator of some sort, we might just have a chance:-) that's star-trek like stuff but hey we can dream:-)
Granted there is no water on the moon, we'll have to bring it there ourselves I guess, presumably we're either importing from Earth, or how about nudging a comet towards the moon once the technology is feasible? As long as your aim is good (for the love of god don't miss and hit Earth), we could have a large supply of water available for long term moon usage indefinitely (when we run out, just nudge another comet, but control the landing of the comet if there's already people there).
Living in Arcologies shall happen sometime in the 2100's as will fusion power (but I want my Llama Dome dammit)
Bridges, tunnels, etc. spontaneously blow up when not given enough maintenance, this could suck if people were on it.
Schools, fire departments, police depts, etc are dirt cheap to maintain ($25/yr and up) would solve our budget crisis in due course
All else failing we use one of the many cheats available to give our economy a $2 trillion+ boost
And for no apparent reason big spidery legged monsters will destroy our cities (or drop trees on him), but never fear for some millitary tank units will drive him away soon...
Doing a Carrot instead of stick strategy will work a little better for SCO to accomplish their means. Granted lawyers = $500 - $2000/hr whereas user incentives = $500/user maximum (thinking Windows XP + MS office pro).
What kind of impact this will have on the Linux community that thinks they're a bunch of (every expletive you can imagine inserted here) I don't know. Anyone here in the Slashdot community who trusts SCO raise their hand.
Though all the same, some users who are looking to upgrade just might....naaah I shan't think such heretical thoughts....
Somebody sees said ad in the middle of a online banking transaction, freaks out, calls lawyers claiming breach of privacy (even if they didn't see the packet they replaced)...then again maybe that will help some and prevent future adware such as this ickiness...
Well yeah that too, but I needed a metaphor more appropriate for the topic. The TCP/IP equivalent would be Belkin deciding my packet sucks, so my packet arrives completely scrambled and obfuscated, with an ad from Belkin selling TCP/IP packet insurance.
Ok if I buy say a Book from my favorite online bookstore and get it shipped UPS, I'd expect it to arrive as a book right?
But what if every one in 100 times, UPS thinks I might like a corporate logo bumper sticker instead of my book, they throw my book into the eternal void, and give me a UPS bumper sticker instead. I'm supposed to like this?
Bottom line: When I ask a package to get delivered, and for a certain package to be received, I WANT that package, not what they think I want. Whether it's a TCP/IP packet, or a book. I fail to see the difference here.
Bottom line, thanks to Slashdot I'm not buying my routers from Belkin (not that I'm a telecom person, but still I'd be careful if I ever had to).
I've always wondered what the cheapest and best way would be to get to the moon. Initially I thought mount the Space shuttle to a bigger rocket (Say a Saturn V+) and put a lunar module of some sort into the cargo bay. Voila instant moon mission.
Either that or take one of the existing space plane projects to replace the Space shuttle and retrofit it with enough fuel to get to the moon (again maybe a bigger rocket required to launch this shuttle).
However IANAPM (I am not a physics major) so I throw the field open to anyone who is and ask for suggestions:-)
If all that actually happens, I think I'm gonna ask you for winning lottery numbers too:-)
Though maybe banging an asteroid into the Yellowstone super volcano will then suck all the magma there into the core of the Earth by the force of impact, insuring it will never erupt again, hey at least it sounds plausible:-p though I'd suppose we'll still have to deal with all the nastiness of a comet impacting the earth so it won't matter much anyways.
Well the JPL website says 2020 before the reactor can no longer power itself, I presume we can keep contact until then by just simply building bigger transmitters and receivers if/as needed (again like in a previous post of mine, assuming we have money).
Wow I should only hope to make a piece of code that lasts so long (the best I did is 3), a true testament to what a bunch of nerds with some ingenuity (and money) can really do. These days it seems we have the genius, but surely not the money. Oh well...
Can only hope some day we catch up to Voyager. Either with a probe that could pass it up, or NCC-1701:-)
I hear you there, but again $780,000 to a company putting in 4.8bill/quarter is so insignificant they may not even notice this inefficiency. I think that's the point I'm trying to make.
Indeed true, but at only 17% of their daily revenue, the fine is so small AT&T would barely notice the issue. Pictre it as the difference between a parking ticket fine of $30 vs. a DUI fine of $600, which one would you notice more? The $30 may not get you to change your behavior, but the $600 sure might (if you're a middle class income in the U.S.A. assuming).
AT&T's quarterly gross profit ending 6/30/2003: 4.129 billion (read the nearest 10Q)
Divide by 90 to get daily revenue (approx): 45.8 mil
Divide 780,000 (the fine amount)into that 45.8 mil and you get 17% of their daily revenue for last quarter...
IMHO that isn't a whole lot...tho that's an FCC warning shot probably:-)
Disclaimer: I'm not the best at math, make your investment decisions elsewhere please:-D
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aaaah the debate on this rages on, I'm hoping that this AC (or someone knowledgable)shall choose to speak again on this point and enlighten me some on how he came to that conclusion. My personal thought is the less known about a product the less that can be discovered. No code is perfect and no code ever will be, therefore is it better to just simply hide the mistakes. Of course this opinion is subject to change by a well written post. Thoughts?
I'm not sure whether this was intended as a troll or not, but to stand up for them I'll bite:
Their code and comments was well written easy to understand, as referenced in parent it was high quality. Honestly I think the decision to outsource that code to India was a very good decision from a business standpoint. Did it cost a coder a job here? Not really we're hiring...
Some functions outsorced to India (or wherever for that matter) work out well, and some don't. Speaking from experience, we just completed a major project with a firm in India, which helped us greatly, producing quality code with few bugs (about the same ratio as an equivalent U.S. Programmer).
However afterwards we didn't feel that for our clientele they would provide adequate support and maintenance programming capability so they were released from there. So now it's my job to do some of the front line maintenance for this code and respond to customer issues with minor tweaks as needed.
In short: no one solution is a magic bullet, everything needs careful analysis.
And you want their equipment deciding votes, dear got if you can get a worm on the holy of holies, a cash dispensing machine. I seriously doubt that the next holy machine, a voting machine should be running Diebold systems.
Seriously people, embedded proprietary operating software (neither XP or Unix or anything widely made public) is the best way to go with these sacred machines. Worms will have a difficult (tho dare I say impossible) time working their way in. So the problems will hopefully be minimal.
In short I'm afraid, I'm very afraid
1) Build new p2p system
2) Get sued by RIAA, MPAA, BSA, etc..
3) ???
4) Profit (if you're the Addams family anyways)
I hear you there, but where is the incentive? Who's paying for the cataloging and improving the efficiency of patenting information? The patent attorneys? Yeah right, that's their source of income :-/ The government, with whose taxpayer dollars?
Yes it's messed up, no it's not changing in short...
4 guys living in a dorm together, 2 computer majors, 1 engineering major, and one ag major who was also a geek....
Me: "Net's down..."
Roomie #1: "Yeap..."
Me: "Simpson's?"
Roomie #1: "Yeap..."
I never really saw what the problem was...
inventing flight: well they just helped space flight...do with that what you will.
defeating the Nazis: naaah just hired them all The transcontinental railroad: Well when you think about it the Transcontinental railroad was probably a stepping stone to flight and space flight, so one might argue that Santa Fe, Union Pacific and Southern Pacific RR had something to do with Spaceflight, no?
People make jokes about SCO that are offtopic from the SCO story itself (in 2 pagedown scrollings I haven't seen anything relating to SCO vs. BSD), and are getting modded up, even to +5 funny. I take it pretty much everyone, even the evil MS developers (such as myself) are getting pretty annoyed by SCO (if that wasn't the understatement of my lifetime).
Well 17 million $ / $699 = 24,321 (rounding up remainders), can SCO find 24,321 users to pay for the Linux license? Chances are that there are 24,321 corporate workstations that will be paid for should SCO win, so unfortunately SCO wins at this point.
But really, their image? Their likelihood of getting future products bought that they offer? Anyone in the Linux community buying SCO after this? Tangibly this much money still makes sense, but intangibly I'd be concerned about the long term effect on SCO.
I'd have to admit, Mozilla has made some great strides at least as far as its place on my desktop.
After the demise of netscape in market share, I became a complacent IE user, and my web page development was IE focused, with Netscape being a back-watered to make sure it just looks "reasonable". However...
When I upgraded to Windows XP, I found IE locking up and having some more general weirdnesses than before. Frustrated I download the latest stable Mozilla (currently I'm still using 1.4). All I could say is Wow...a faster load time than IE ever was, and it's actually easier to code than for IE, with descriptive Javascript errors, and *gasp* debugging for Javascript that works intuitively. Built in popup blocking, etc...
Nowadays both get equal treatment in my web development, simply being "reasonable" isn't enough in Netscape, my pages must work as intended in Netscape/Mozilla or I will be re-checking my code. What's next?? Might I even ditch WinXP and grab the latest Debian build? Perish the thought...
Well I didn't say we'd have to soft land a comet now, but with a reverse inertia generator of some sort, we might just have a chance :-) that's star-trek like stuff but hey we can dream :-)
Granted there is no water on the moon, we'll have to bring it there ourselves I guess, presumably we're either importing from Earth, or how about nudging a comet towards the moon once the technology is feasible? As long as your aim is good (for the love of god don't miss and hit Earth), we could have a large supply of water available for long term moon usage indefinitely (when we run out, just nudge another comet, but control the landing of the comet if there's already people there).
If our life is driven by Simcity 2000 then:
Living in Arcologies shall happen sometime in the 2100's as will fusion power (but I want my Llama Dome dammit)
Bridges, tunnels, etc. spontaneously blow up when not given enough maintenance, this could suck if people were on it.
Schools, fire departments, police depts, etc are dirt cheap to maintain ($25/yr and up) would solve our budget crisis in due course
All else failing we use one of the many cheats available to give our economy a $2 trillion+ boost
And for no apparent reason big spidery legged monsters will destroy our cities (or drop trees on him), but never fear for some millitary tank units will drive him away soon...
Doing a Carrot instead of stick strategy will work a little better for SCO to accomplish their means. Granted lawyers = $500 - $2000/hr whereas user incentives = $500/user maximum (thinking Windows XP + MS office pro).
What kind of impact this will have on the Linux community that thinks they're a bunch of (every expletive you can imagine inserted here) I don't know. Anyone here in the Slashdot community who trusts SCO raise their hand.
Though all the same, some users who are looking to upgrade just might....naaah I shan't think such heretical thoughts....
Somebody sees said ad in the middle of a online banking transaction, freaks out, calls lawyers claiming breach of privacy (even if they didn't see the packet they replaced)...then again maybe that will help some and prevent future adware such as this ickiness...
Well yeah that too, but I needed a metaphor more appropriate for the topic. The TCP/IP equivalent would be Belkin deciding my packet sucks, so my packet arrives completely scrambled and obfuscated, with an ad from Belkin selling TCP/IP packet insurance.
Ok if I buy say a Book from my favorite online bookstore and get it shipped UPS, I'd expect it to arrive as a book right?
But what if every one in 100 times, UPS thinks I might like a corporate logo bumper sticker instead of my book, they throw my book into the eternal void, and give me a UPS bumper sticker instead. I'm supposed to like this?
Bottom line: When I ask a package to get delivered, and for a certain package to be received, I WANT that package, not what they think I want. Whether it's a TCP/IP packet, or a book. I fail to see the difference here.
Bottom line, thanks to Slashdot I'm not buying my routers from Belkin (not that I'm a telecom person, but still I'd be careful if I ever had to).
I've always wondered what the cheapest and best way would be to get to the moon. Initially I thought mount the Space shuttle to a bigger rocket (Say a Saturn V+) and put a lunar module of some sort into the cargo bay. Voila instant moon mission.
:-)
Either that or take one of the existing space plane projects to replace the Space shuttle and retrofit it with enough fuel to get to the moon (again maybe a bigger rocket required to launch this shuttle).
However IANAPM (I am not a physics major) so I throw the field open to anyone who is and ask for suggestions
If all that actually happens, I think I'm gonna ask you for winning lottery numbers too :-)
:-p though I'd suppose we'll still have to deal with all the nastiness of a comet impacting the earth so it won't matter much anyways.
Though maybe banging an asteroid into the Yellowstone super volcano will then suck all the magma there into the core of the Earth by the force of impact, insuring it will never erupt again, hey at least it sounds plausible
Well the JPL website says 2020 before the reactor can no longer power itself, I presume we can keep contact until then by just simply building bigger transmitters and receivers if/as needed (again like in a previous post of mine, assuming we have money).
Wow I should only hope to make a piece of code that lasts so long (the best I did is 3), a true testament to what a bunch of nerds with some ingenuity (and money) can really do. These days it seems we have the genius, but surely not the money. Oh well...
:-)
Can only hope some day we catch up to Voyager. Either with a probe that could pass it up, or NCC-1701
I hear you there, but again $780,000 to a company putting in 4.8bill/quarter is so insignificant they may not even notice this inefficiency. I think that's the point I'm trying to make.
Indeed true, but at only 17% of their daily revenue, the fine is so small AT&T would barely notice the issue. Pictre it as the difference between a parking ticket fine of $30 vs. a DUI fine of $600, which one would you notice more? The $30 may not get you to change your behavior, but the $600 sure might (if you're a middle class income in the U.S.A. assuming).
AT&T's quarterly gross profit ending 6/30/2003: 4.129 billion (read the nearest 10Q)
:-)
:-D
Divide by 90 to get daily revenue (approx): 45.8 mil
Divide 780,000 (the fine amount)into that 45.8 mil and you get 17% of their daily revenue for last quarter...
IMHO that isn't a whole lot...tho that's an FCC warning shot probably
Disclaimer: I'm not the best at math, make your investment decisions elsewhere please