Please go back and re-read what ID is all about. You're saying things that fundamentalists are saying instead of what the truth is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design Intelligent Design (or ID) is the controversial assertion which states that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by positing an intelligent designer(s). The majority of ID advocates state that their focus is on detecting evidence of design in nature, without regard to who or what the designer might be. However, ID advocate William Dembski in his book "The Design Inference"[1] lists God or an alien life force as two possible options.
Just as one can say "Then where did aliens come from?", one can also say with the exact same logic "Then where did god come from?"
This is science we're talking about. Arguments MUST be rational and logical. ID is not a theory. It is not even a hypothesis. It is an assertion, an idea, and nothing more until scientific work can be done on it. That of course is impossible for the same reasons some parts of the theory of evolution are impossible to prove or disprove.
Gravity and electromagnetism are NOT laws. A simple look on wikipedia or any science book will tell you that.
Parts of the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are laws, as some parts are theories and others merely hypothesis. There are even pieces that we don't even know exist yet.
This is what happens when people attempt to pass off religion as science. Everyone gets totally messed up and forgets the basic science they learned in junior high.
Just a few theories listed in wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
List of theories
* biology and related : Theory of evolution
* climatology : Global Warming Theory
* computer science : Algorithmic information theory | Computation theory
* games : Rational choice theory | Game theory
* general : Obsolete scientific theories
* geology : Continental drift | Plate tectonics
* general humanities : Critical theory
* literature : Literary theory
* mathematics : axiomatic set theory | Chaos theory | Graph theory | Number theory | Probability theory
* music : Music theory
* other : Phlogiston theory
* philosophy speculative reason (theory vs. practice)
* physics (a mother of theories) : Grand unification theory | Quantum field theory | String theory | Superstring theory | Theory of relativity | Acoustic theory | Antenna theory | Theory of everything (TOE) | Kaluza-Klein theory | M-theory | Loop quantum gravity theory | special theory of relativity | general theory of relativity | Dynamic theory of gravity | Ether theory
* planetary science : Giant impact theory
* sexology and behaviour : Ladder theory
* sociology and philosophy : Critical social theory | Value theory
* statistics : Extreme value theory
I bet you thought plate tectonics and continental drift were laws too.
Intelligent Design is NOT a theory. It's an assertion. It hasn't even made it to hypothesis yet. Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory just like electromagnetism is a theory. They have all withstood experiment after experiment and test after test. Intelligent Design is nothing more than an idea that not only hasn't been scientifically tested but cannot be tested.
True, but at the same time God had to come from somewhere too, so using God as the creator still only pushes the First Cause one step back as well. When the North American Indians first saw the great ships with the huge white sails, they believed they were Gods and treated them as such. It doesn't take a very large jump in technology to become a God.
First, Intelligent Design is NOT A THEORY. It is an assertion. It is a hypothesis. Intelligent design has not been tested time and time again and it has not been validated time and time again like the theories of gravity, electromagnetism, and evolution have.
Intelligent Design does not oppose evolution. It actually incorporates evolution as one of the possible processes used by some "intelligence" to create everything. It does not do anything to invalidate evolution. If anything, it helps evolution's standing as a valid fact.
Intelligent Design is the idea that some intelligent being created us, whether it is aliens, beings from some other dimension or reality, super-intelligent bacteria, or a diety (Like the Christian God or Allah or the Great Greek Arkleseziure). The Christian God is but one of hundreds or thousands of possible creators.
And last, INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT A THEORY. It's not. There cannot be any argument for teaching something that is nothing more than an assertion as an alternative to an actual scientific theory.
The problem is that Intelligent Design is being distorted and changed from an actual scientific hypothesis into religious teaching. For Intelligent Design to function as science, it has to include ANY intelligent being as our creator. It could be aliens or something from the 4th dimension or super-intelligent bacteria just as much as it could be God. Science requires evidence. There is absolutely no evidence for God so he is actually pretty low on the possibility totem pole as the creator. These religious activists want to strip out everything except God from Intelligent Design. When you strip out everything but God as the creator, you turn science into religion. That is the issue people have. Intelligent Design wouldn't be taught properly which makes it unsuitable for school.
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You messed up one thing. Theories like evolution cannot become laws. A law governs something very precice and finite. A theory like evolution is a huge collection of laws, theories, and hypothesis, as well as a whole bunch of stuff that hasn't been discovered yet. Evolution as a whole is a theory that has withstood scientific scrutiny, but it cannot be a law because it covers too much scientific ground.
One more thing you forgot to mention. Intelligent design is the hypothesis that SOMETHING created all of this. Part of Intelligent Design is the possibility that we were all created by intelligent beings from another world. Fanatical Christians attempt to twist Intelligent Design to only include God as the possible creator, but that destroys it's standing as science. For it to be actual science and to even be able to compete with evolution, it HAS to take into account that aliens or some other type of intelligent being besides a Deity created earth and all of us. It does absolutely nothing to further their religious agenda, yet for some reason they cling to it like Jesus himself.
It's been a year since I've tried a linux distro so it's good to hear that much progress has been made. Still, the main appeal for windows is that everyone and their 5 year old kid knows a little something about it so if you have a question, asking enough people gets you an answer fairly quickly. Linux has a long way to go before people adopt it without already knowing someone who can help them with it. So far, the only people who do switch are those who know a nix geek that can help them. There aren't many of those
Linux as it stands is nowhere near ready for the desktop. You have to remember that 99% of all pc users only care about being able to USE their computer. If they can't figure something out they start asking the people around them, who also happen to be windows users. Eventually they get an answer and keep moving along. The second you tell someone that they have to do ANYTHING on a command prompt then you have lost them. When Linux's options and setups are GUI only and just as easy to understand and use as windows, then it will be ready for the desktop. It's actually very hard to break windows so that it doesn't work anymore by messing with the options. It's really damn easy to break linux by messing around with configs. I know this the hard way.
Remember how many TV repair places there were in the 70's? Even in the 80's there were a decent number. Try and find one now. PC's are becoming like TV's. It's almost cheaper to get a new one than it is to fix a broken one. The local repair shop charges $60/hr for repair. Spyware takes from 1 to 3 hours to remove depending on how big the drive is, how many files there are, and how bad it's infected. 3 hours is $180. How many trips until you just paid for a new pc?
Considering they go obsolete in 3 years anyway the market for pc repair is going to dry up quickly.
There is a market in service though. Helping people *use* computers will always have a demand.
The network I admin is all Win2000 machines. I've already started putting firefox on some of them and the money and time it's saved me and my company on maintenance is very measurable and it's no small amount. Now I have justification to replace IE on every machine with firefox, since inevitably some sites will become IE7 only and Firefox has done pretty well in rendering even these IE only broken websites. This may even help justify not ever buying XP and waiting until the next windows release. MS just lost a big sale and saved us a ton of money!
The original series had 65 million viewers during it's first episode. The new series had about 4 million. The original series was far from crap and the numbers say it all. Maybe when you look back on it now it seems that way, but at the time it was an amazing tv show.
Well no see watches are going to be a few seconds different from each other and we all know that desert-hardened terrorists rely on synchronized detonations down to the millisecond. Kinda like during 9/11.
I'm waiting patiently for them to fix the bug that happens when you're commanding and you drop artillary. For some reason, when the artillary icon shows up on your team's map, they all instantly run into the artillary fire and then punish you for a team kill. I so hate that bug.
"Doom 3 is no longer the top dog in the FPS market."
I never realized it was ever top dog. It came out, I played it, then it went on the shelf. It wasn't really that impressive and it certainly wasn't good enough to be called top dog. My kids watched me play it for about a half hour and that was enough for them. They never felt the desire to play it. Yeah it was pretty and it had some nice eye candy, but what's that got to do with the value and quality of a game? If you don't have the desire to play it more than once then it can't even be considered top-10.
I'm the entire IT Dept for a trucking company. Sometimes trucks get old and start breaking down and need replacing. When the mechanics tell the owner that a truck is breaking down too often and needs to be replaced, the owner can see it and goes and replaces the truck. Sometimes he buys a new one, sometimes he buys a used one. It depends on what the business needs are.
Microsoft is trying to tell us that all of our trucks need replacing simply because they have been in existance for a certain number of years. They still run fine, they don't break down too terribly often, and they do what needs to be done so the business can operate. You cannot in any fantasy realm justify replacing all the vehicles in your fleet just because they are a certain age.
My whole network is Win2000 and it works just fine. If MS wants me to upgrade a server and 25 workstations just because it says so then they can kiss my ass and I can start looking to change over to linux. That is business. It's not a personal decision, it's not some anti-MS vendetta, it's business. I will not spend money in a business that does not need to be spent.
Check out http://www.evault.com/ Very reasonably priced and they maintain offsite backups of their backups. One thing to keep in mind is transfer speed. I would have used them but I have 40gigs of data to back up and it would take too long to send daily.
I had to calculate the difference in cost for this once. We had a laser copier break and had to temp swap it with an inkjet one. The inkjet would have cost us just over $4,000 a year to run while the laser would have cost us $160 a year. HUGE difference. Basically a $1000 color laser will pay for itself in 3 months.
That's easy to see. Compare the death rates. Alcohol is the ONLY drug where withdrawls can kill you. Lots of things can be OD'd on, but alcohol is the only one where you can die if you don't get it.
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It kinda makes coming from monkeys not seem so bad huh.
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Please go back and re-read what ID is all about. You're saying things that fundamentalists are saying instead of what the truth is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
Intelligent Design (or ID) is the controversial assertion which states that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by positing an intelligent designer(s). The majority of ID advocates state that their focus is on detecting evidence of design in nature, without regard to who or what the designer might be. However, ID advocate William Dembski in his book "The Design Inference"[1] lists God or an alien life force as two possible options.
Just as one can say "Then where did aliens come from?", one can also say with the exact same logic "Then where did god come from?"
This is science we're talking about. Arguments MUST be rational and logical. ID is not a theory. It is not even a hypothesis. It is an assertion, an idea, and nothing more until scientific work can be done on it. That of course is impossible for the same reasons some parts of the theory of evolution are impossible to prove or disprove.
Gravity and electromagnetism are NOT laws. A simple look on wikipedia or any science book will tell you that.
Parts of the theories of gravity and electromagnetism are laws, as some parts are theories and others merely hypothesis. There are even pieces that we don't even know exist yet.
This is what happens when people attempt to pass off religion as science. Everyone gets totally messed up and forgets the basic science they learned in junior high.
Just a few theories listed in wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory List of theories
* biology and related : Theory of evolution
* climatology : Global Warming Theory
* computer science : Algorithmic information theory | Computation theory
* games : Rational choice theory | Game theory
* general : Obsolete scientific theories
* geology : Continental drift | Plate tectonics
* general humanities : Critical theory
* literature : Literary theory
* mathematics : axiomatic set theory | Chaos theory | Graph theory | Number theory | Probability theory
* music : Music theory
* other : Phlogiston theory
* philosophy speculative reason (theory vs. practice)
* physics (a mother of theories) : Grand unification theory | Quantum field theory | String theory | Superstring theory | Theory of relativity | Acoustic theory | Antenna theory | Theory of everything (TOE) | Kaluza-Klein theory | M-theory | Loop quantum gravity theory | special theory of relativity | general theory of relativity | Dynamic theory of gravity | Ether theory
* planetary science : Giant impact theory
* sexology and behaviour : Ladder theory
* sociology and philosophy : Critical social theory | Value theory
* statistics : Extreme value theory
I bet you thought plate tectonics and continental drift were laws too.
Intelligent Design is NOT a theory. It's an assertion. It hasn't even made it to hypothesis yet. Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory just like electromagnetism is a theory. They have all withstood experiment after experiment and test after test. Intelligent Design is nothing more than an idea that not only hasn't been scientifically tested but cannot be tested.
True, but at the same time God had to come from somewhere too, so using God as the creator still only pushes the First Cause one step back as well.
When the North American Indians first saw the great ships with the huge white sails, they believed they were Gods and treated them as such. It doesn't take a very large jump in technology to become a God.
First, Intelligent Design is NOT A THEORY. It is an assertion. It is a hypothesis. Intelligent design has not been tested time and time again and it has not been validated time and time again like the theories of gravity, electromagnetism, and evolution have.
Intelligent Design does not oppose evolution. It actually incorporates evolution as one of the possible processes used by some "intelligence" to create everything. It does not do anything to invalidate evolution. If anything, it helps evolution's standing as a valid fact.
Intelligent Design is the idea that some intelligent being created us, whether it is aliens, beings from some other dimension or reality, super-intelligent bacteria, or a diety (Like the Christian God or Allah or the Great Greek Arkleseziure). The Christian God is but one of hundreds or thousands of possible creators.
And last, INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT A THEORY. It's not. There cannot be any argument for teaching something that is nothing more than an assertion as an alternative to an actual scientific theory.
The problem is that Intelligent Design is being distorted and changed from an actual scientific hypothesis into religious teaching. For Intelligent Design to function as science, it has to include ANY intelligent being as our creator. It could be aliens or something from the 4th dimension or super-intelligent bacteria just as much as it could be God. Science requires evidence. There is absolutely no evidence for God so he is actually pretty low on the possibility totem pole as the creator.
These religious activists want to strip out everything except God from Intelligent Design. When you strip out everything but God as the creator, you turn science into religion. That is the issue people have. Intelligent Design wouldn't be taught properly which makes it unsuitable for school.
You messed up one thing. Theories like evolution cannot become laws. A law governs something very precice and finite. A theory like evolution is a huge collection of laws, theories, and hypothesis, as well as a whole bunch of stuff that hasn't been discovered yet. Evolution as a whole is a theory that has withstood scientific scrutiny, but it cannot be a law because it covers too much scientific ground.
One more thing you forgot to mention. Intelligent design is the hypothesis that SOMETHING created all of this. Part of Intelligent Design is the possibility that we were all created by intelligent beings from another world. Fanatical Christians attempt to twist Intelligent Design to only include God as the possible creator, but that destroys it's standing as science. For it to be actual science and to even be able to compete with evolution, it HAS to take into account that aliens or some other type of intelligent being besides a Deity created earth and all of us. It does absolutely nothing to further their religious agenda, yet for some reason they cling to it like Jesus himself.
It's been a year since I've tried a linux distro so it's good to hear that much progress has been made. Still, the main appeal for windows is that everyone and their 5 year old kid knows a little something about it so if you have a question, asking enough people gets you an answer fairly quickly. Linux has a long way to go before people adopt it without already knowing someone who can help them with it. So far, the only people who do switch are those who know a nix geek that can help them. There aren't many of those
Linux as it stands is nowhere near ready for the desktop. You have to remember that 99% of all pc users only care about being able to USE their computer. If they can't figure something out they start asking the people around them, who also happen to be windows users. Eventually they get an answer and keep moving along.
The second you tell someone that they have to do ANYTHING on a command prompt then you have lost them. When Linux's options and setups are GUI only and just as easy to understand and use as windows, then it will be ready for the desktop. It's actually very hard to break windows so that it doesn't work anymore by messing with the options. It's really damn easy to break linux by messing around with configs. I know this the hard way.
At least 150 of those downloads are from me, since ver 0.9. Hell it's probably more.
Remember how many TV repair places there were in the 70's? Even in the 80's there were a decent number. Try and find one now.
PC's are becoming like TV's. It's almost cheaper to get a new one than it is to fix a broken one. The local repair shop charges $60/hr for repair. Spyware takes from 1 to 3 hours to remove depending on how big the drive is, how many files there are, and how bad it's infected. 3 hours is $180. How many trips until you just paid for a new pc?
Considering they go obsolete in 3 years anyway the market for pc repair is going to dry up quickly.
There is a market in service though. Helping people *use* computers will always have a demand.
There is only one external website that we have to use IE for. Everything else internal and external runs fine with Firefox.
The network I admin is all Win2000 machines. I've already started putting firefox on some of them and the money and time it's saved me and my company on maintenance is very measurable and it's no small amount.
Now I have justification to replace IE on every machine with firefox, since inevitably some sites will become IE7 only and Firefox has done pretty well in rendering even these IE only broken websites.
This may even help justify not ever buying XP and waiting until the next windows release.
MS just lost a big sale and saved us a ton of money!
The original series had 65 million viewers during it's first episode. The new series had about 4 million. The original series was far from crap and the numbers say it all. Maybe when you look back on it now it seems that way, but at the time it was an amazing tv show.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/08/ 1936236&tid=204
Here's another article we just had 3 days ago with the same title but a different summary. Are we tryin to pump iD sales or something?
Well no see watches are going to be a few seconds different from each other and we all know that desert-hardened terrorists rely on synchronized detonations down to the millisecond. Kinda like during 9/11.
I'm waiting patiently for them to fix the bug that happens when you're commanding and you drop artillary. For some reason, when the artillary icon shows up on your team's map, they all instantly run into the artillary fire and then punish you for a team kill. I so hate that bug.
"Doom 3 is no longer the top dog in the FPS market."
I never realized it was ever top dog. It came out, I played it, then it went on the shelf. It wasn't really that impressive and it certainly wasn't good enough to be called top dog. My kids watched me play it for about a half hour and that was enough for them. They never felt the desire to play it. Yeah it was pretty and it had some nice eye candy, but what's that got to do with the value and quality of a game? If you don't have the desire to play it more than once then it can't even be considered top-10.
I'm lost on the point of this article.
It takes longer than that for us to get what's new in club music and fashion from Europe so it's okay.
I'm the entire IT Dept for a trucking company. Sometimes trucks get old and start breaking down and need replacing. When the mechanics tell the owner that a truck is breaking down too often and needs to be replaced, the owner can see it and goes and replaces the truck. Sometimes he buys a new one, sometimes he buys a used one. It depends on what the business needs are.
Microsoft is trying to tell us that all of our trucks need replacing simply because they have been in existance for a certain number of years. They still run fine, they don't break down too terribly often, and they do what needs to be done so the business can operate. You cannot in any fantasy realm justify replacing all the vehicles in your fleet just because they are a certain age.
My whole network is Win2000 and it works just fine. If MS wants me to upgrade a server and 25 workstations just because it says so then they can kiss my ass and I can start looking to change over to linux. That is business. It's not a personal decision, it's not some anti-MS vendetta, it's business. I will not spend money in a business that does not need to be spent.
Check out http://www.evault.com/
Very reasonably priced and they maintain offsite backups of their backups.
One thing to keep in mind is transfer speed. I would have used them but I have 40gigs of data to back up and it would take too long to send daily.
I had to calculate the difference in cost for this once. We had a laser copier break and had to temp swap it with an inkjet one.
The inkjet would have cost us just over $4,000 a year to run while the laser would have cost us $160 a year. HUGE difference. Basically a $1000 color laser will pay for itself in 3 months.
Extraordinary times? Really? Do you even know what that term means?
How many terrorists have been caught inside the USA?
How many bombing plots have been stopped inside the USA?
How many terrorists have been caught overseas and how many bombing plots have been stopped overseas?
Why do you allow others to make you feel unsafe when there is absolutely nothing besides propaganda making you feel that way?
The USA is not going through extraordinary times by any means.
That's easy to see. Compare the death rates.
Alcohol is the ONLY drug where withdrawls can kill you. Lots of things can be OD'd on, but alcohol is the only one where you can die if you don't get it.