> Either take it literally everywhere, or don't take it literally anywhere
When are you going to outgrow simplistic dualistic thinking??
The bible was written in a three-fold manner simultaneously:
* The literal, * The allegorical, * The spiritual,
If you are unable to understand the higher two, then I would humbly suggest starting with the literal exoteric until you are able to grasp the deeper esoteric. ALL "holy scriptures" are written to convey a deeper truth if you would stop tossing out the baby with the bath water.
As Rabbi Simeon said
"If a man looks upon the Torah as merely a book presenting narratives and everyday matters, alas for him! Such a torah, one treating with everyday concerns, and indeed a more excellent one, we too, even we, could compile. More than that, in the possession of the rulers of the world there are books of even greater merit, and these we could emulate if we wished to compile some such torah. But the Torah, in all of its words, holds supernal truths and sublime secrets.
"See how precisely balanced are the upper and the lower worlds. Israel here below is balanced by the angels on high, concerning whom it stands written: "who makest thy angels into winds" (Psalms 104:4). For when the angels descend to the earth they don earthly garments, else they could neither abide in the world, nor could it bear to have them. But if this is so with the angels, then how much more so it must be with the Torah: the Torah it was that created the angels and created all the worlds and through Torah are all sustained. The world could not endure the Torah if she had not garbed herself in the garments of this world. (temple of Solomon, and within us)
"Thus the tales related in the Torah are simply her outer garments, and woe to the man who regards that outer garb as the Torah itself, for such a man will be deprived of portion in the next world. Thus David said:" Open Thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of Thy law" (Psalms 119:18), that is to say, the things that are underneath. See now. The most visible part of a man are the clothes that he has on, and they who lack understanding, when they look at the man, are apt not to see more in him than these clothes. In reality, however, it is the body of the man that constitutes the pride of his clothes, and his soul constitutes the pride of his body.
"So it is with the Torah. Its narrations which relate to the things of the worlds constitute the garments which clothe the body of the Torah; and that body is composed of the Torah's precepts, gufey-torah (bodies, major principles). People without understanding see only the narrations, the garment; those somewhat more penetrating see also the body. But the truly wise, those who serve the most high King and stood on mount Sinai, pierce all the way through to the soul, to the true Torah which is the root principle of all. These same will in the future be vouchsafed to penetrate to the very soul of the soul of the Torah.
"See now how it is like this in the highest world, with garment, body, soul and super-soul. The outer garments are the heavens and all therein, the body is the Community of Israel and it is the recipient of the soul, that is 'the Glory of Israel'; and the soul of the soul is the Ancient Holy One. All of these are conjoined one within the other.
"Woe to the sinners who look upon the Torah as simply tales pertaining to things of the world, seeing thus only the outer garment. But the righteous whose gaze penetrates to the very Torah, happy are they. Just as wine must be in a jar to keep, so the Torah must also be contained in an outer garment. That garment is made up of the tales and stories; but we, we are bound to penetrate beyond."
-- "By 2024 the Fermi Paradox will be shown to be incomplete."
Either you have free will, and do believe you have it Either you have free will, and don't believe you have it. Either you don't have free will, and do believe you have it. Either you don't have free will, and don't believe you have it.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
Free Will is one of the gifts of being human: The ability to chose how to live your life.
It is a gift because other higher and lower life forms don't have it.
Ah the classic fallacy of completely and utterly failing to understand Free Will
Your definition of evil is incomplete and makes several incorrect assumptions.
A more accurate one is Evil is just another definition of seperation or division. e.g. Anything that moves you towards division is Evil Anything that moves you closer to unification is Good.
But then you would understand if you paid attention to why day 2 of the creation story is the only one not called good.
"What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days in which the evening is named and the morning, were without sun, moon and stars, and the first day without a heaven. What man is found such an idiot as to suppose that God planted trees in paradise in Eden, like a husbandman, and planted therein the tree of life, perceptible to the eyes and senses, which gave life to the eater thereof; and another tree which gave to the eater thereof a knowledge of good and evil? I believe that every man must hold these things for images, under which the hidden sense lies concealed." -- Origen - Huet., Prigeniana, 167 Franck, p. 142
Exactly, Science is never about adding truth, but removing falsehood. (By definition what is left must be closer to the truth)
Apparently these authors never heard of PEAR which proved human consciousness could influence random numbers. Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research https://www.princeton.edu/~pea...
> I'm a programmer, but I wouldn't have the gall to call myself an "expert developer".
At the risk of sounding offensive it sounds like you haven't programming very long. if you lack confidence in your own skills then try programming for another 20 years. Eventually you'll master it. I would recommend essential books such as:
* Godel Escher Bach * The Mythical Man Month * Code Complete * Javascript: The Good Parts * The Pragmatic Programmer * The Design and Evolution of C++ * Modern C++ Design
You'll see fads in programming come, and go, and come, and go. Once you've worked in realtime systems, on compilers, and learnt how to write and architect clean code, you'll have the necessary perspective (and experience) to call yourself an expert developer.
When I leave FF running for 30 days and it chews up 2 to 4 GB of RAM, close all the tabs down, restart the browswer, and it goes back to ~ 100 MB that is a memory leak but if you would spend less time on ad hominem attacks you would know that.
I'm an expert because I have 20+ years of graphics programming & design. I not only know what TO DO, but also what NOT to do (which is JUST as important.)
There is one answer to all your questions:
Most UX people don't know what the fuck they are doing!!!
They failed the 0th lesson:
* Form MUST FOLLOW Function
Sadly they are delusional and want "bling" at the expense of function. They want all sex appeal and forget that the best UI is one that gets out of your way!
IMHO Good UI _must_ _first_ give the perception of a smooth frame rate! Typically < 8 ms is ideal. No one gives a shit about "bling" if your frame rate is crap! Sadly UX people failed to learn the second lesson!
(In truth, both Form and Function are inter-twined.)
Thirdly, almost all UX designers mock everything up in Adobe Flash and don't have a freaking clue about understanding the holy Trinity of:
* Hardware * Software * User Experience of 60 FPS / Hz.
If you are extremely lucky they will understand 9-slice and a texture atlas. IF you are lucky.
For example, the typical noob UX designer will give programmers a background of 1280x720 px. On lower end hardware the GPU only supports power-of-2 textures, which means it is rounded up to 2048x1024 (2 MB which wastes 1 MB of VRAM) . For a static background most customers don't give a rats ass if the texture was 1024x1024 and scaled up!
The general UX stupidity and ignorance of failing to understand fundamentals such as frame rate budget (60 FPS), memory budget, S/N, Contrast explains the current fuckups in modern UI design.
Apple UI/UX designers are some of the worst. 2 Steps forward, and 1.5 steps backwards.
I want to smack the designers who put a close-app and minimize/maximize button next to each other.
Good UI is about giving user's OPTIONS and CUSTOMIZATION. Some people work better with the menu/dock on the top, some on the bottom, some on the side. The typical UX designer doesn't understand people THINK and VISUALLY process UI different. They are married to the idea that a "one size fits all."
Most UI's are a total joke. It took me ~10 years to finally understand good UI. Signal/Noise. I don't see any UI/UX people talking about that. (There may be, but no aware of any.)
> there are far more deadlier things that can be outlawed (cars, alcohol, high-fructose corn syrup, etc).
That is a great list. Mod parent up!
Another example:
A person can legally kill themselves by
a) smoking themselves to death, or
b) drinking themselves to death
but yet suicide is illegal. Only the time frame is the difference; yet the former are legal while the latter is not??
Addictive drugs such as Alcohol, Nicotine, and Sugar are legal yet a harmless plant (Cannabis) is still illegal. And you in the back who asked "Why is the Constitution written on Hemp paper if Cannabis is so 'bad' ?" hush! And don't remind anyone of that government propaganda "Hemp for Victory" https://www.youtube.com/result...
You forget how stupid and hypocritical the general public is.:-/
Self-Professed?? My smegging JOB TITLE says "Senior User Experience Developer" I work for a Fortune 50 company. Yes, 50. These days I do mostly WebGL and Javascript work.
My boss _starts_ with 60 FPS for UI. As someone who can tell the difference between 120 Hz, 60 Hz, and 30 Hz, I appreciate people who understand the technical and psychological issues in UI and name & shame those that don't have a clue about good UI design. Now if only the rest of the people in the company would understand the _fundamentals_ of UI. *sigh*
I've shipped games on DS, PS2, PS3, PC, Wii (implemented a subset of OpenGL 1.1 on it.) I've done UI work with Localization; I've designed fonts (a readable 3x4 px font and a custom 7x8 programming font); I've designed UI for OCR years ago _along_ with writing an OCR engine (from scratch). Recognition was +95% on handwriting -- but we cheated like crazy.
The _secret_ to understanding good UI is 2 things:
* Signal/Noise * Whitespace (which is an _extension_ of S/N)
And _your_ credentials and experience are what again??
> and change GUIs for the sake of being trendy.
You got the wrong guy there buddy. You should be careful with stereotypes; they are not always correct.
> Tell me, what do you think of Firefox's drastic UI changes since Firefox 3?
If I may digress slightly. Modern UI/UX design is HORRIBLE. They are chasing the FAD of minimalism, aka anti-skeuomorphism. I _refuse_ to upgrade my iPhone5 from iOS6 to 7 because Apple no longer understands "Contrast" in icon design.
Likewise, Microsoft doesn't have a smeggin clue about good UI -- putting the Menu bar in ALL CAPS for Developer Studio 2012 was idiotic! Getting red of the underline when you pressed Alt was another stupid idea.
I can understand web browsers getting rid of the menu bar to reclaim vertical space, but user want consistency. There is a reason WIMP (Windows, Icons, Mouse, Pointer) have persisted for years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...
Turning menu bars off is OK --if--
a) NOT the default mode, and
b) users have a CHOICE to turn it on/off
No OS does a good job of managing the title bar space. They all waste it.
I've used FF since the pre 1.x days. It jumped the shark a while ago. (Version 27 _still_ leaks memory).
IRONICALLY I've switched to Chrome because of 3 things:
* Tools, Task Manager -- per tab memory, cpu, FPS usage! * Chrome runs every tab in its own process * Tabs Outliner * Compact title bar.
In my day job I use Chrome, Firefox, and Safari for development.
Was there a _specific_ question about FF you had in mind?
I use Windows, OSX, and Linux. I tend to prefer OSX because it gives me the best of UI worlds -- a single menu bar across multiple monitors; although OSX has it share of stupid UI designs too.:-/
I'm an Graphics + UI + UX expert and use open source when I can (I also contribute to a minor open source emulator.)
1. What can we as a community do to address the weaknesses of Open Source? That is, I see time and time again in open source:
* Functionality not on par with certain commercial apps, * Bad UI, * Poor documentation such as man files that don't have any freaking examples, * A million and one clones that duplicate basic functionality
2. How do you respond to trolls who call open source "open sores" ?
3. How do we overcome the perceived image that "you get what you pay for" That is, some people think that if it is free it isn't worth anything, or it is only "worth" something if I must pay $$$ for it ?
4. Finally, is there an up-to-date list that shows all the various open source "equivalents" of commercial software?
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> Now we only have to find out what human consciousness actually is.
Sadly, Science will never understand that. It is too close minded to deserve the truth.
> Either take it literally everywhere, or don't take it literally anywhere
When are you going to outgrow simplistic dualistic thinking??
The bible was written in a three-fold manner simultaneously:
* The literal,
* The allegorical,
* The spiritual,
If you are unable to understand the higher two, then I would humbly suggest starting with the literal exoteric until you are able to grasp the deeper esoteric. ALL "holy scriptures" are written to convey a deeper truth if you would stop tossing out the baby with the bath water.
As Rabbi Simeon said
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"By 2024 the Fermi Paradox will be shown to be incomplete. "
There are no proofs for existence claims.
There are 4 potential states:
Either you have free will, and do believe you have it
Either you have free will, and don't believe you have it.
Either you don't have free will, and do believe you have it.
Either you don't have free will, and don't believe you have it.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
Free Will is one of the gifts of being human: The ability to chose how to live your life.
It is a gift because other higher and lower life forms don't have it.
Ah the classic fallacy of completely and utterly failing to understand Free Will
Your definition of evil is incomplete and makes several incorrect assumptions.
A more accurate one is Evil is just another definition of seperation or division.
e.g.
Anything that moves you towards division is Evil
Anything that moves you closer to unification is Good.
But then you would understand if you paid attention to why day 2 of the creation story is the only one not called good.
Why do you believe in the only in the literal ??
As church father Origen wrote
"What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days in which the evening is named and the morning, were without sun, moon and stars, and the first day without a heaven. What man is found such an idiot as to suppose that God planted trees in paradise in Eden, like a husbandman, and planted therein the tree of life, perceptible to the eyes and senses, which gave life to the eater thereof; and another tree which gave to the eater thereof a knowledge of good and evil? I believe that every man must hold these things for images, under which the hidden sense lies concealed."
-- Origen - Huet., Prigeniana, 167 Franck, p. 142
FTL proof will be given to mankind in 2024.
--
"By 2024 the Fermi Paradox will be shown to be incomplete."
Exactly, Science is never about adding truth, but removing falsehood.
(By definition what is left must be closer to the truth)
Apparently these authors never heard of PEAR which proved human consciousness could influence random numbers.
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
https://www.princeton.edu/~pea...
> Yea, but if you mess up and do something he declares "STUPID"
And if HE messes up he calls it moronic.
http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/...
And Linus isn't afraid to admit something is complex.
http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/...
You under estimate the psychology of the fear of being "stranded."
Electric fuel stations aren't (yet) ubiquitous.
Why? That would just add noise.
Everyone knows Beta sucks.
> I'm a programmer, but I wouldn't have the gall to call myself an "expert developer".
At the risk of sounding offensive it sounds like you haven't programming very long. if you lack confidence in your own skills then try programming for another 20 years. Eventually you'll master it. I would recommend essential books such as:
* Godel Escher Bach
* The Mythical Man Month
* Code Complete
* Javascript: The Good Parts
* The Pragmatic Programmer
* The Design and Evolution of C++
* Modern C++ Design
For a more complete list see: http://cspray.github.io/my.so-...
You'll see fads in programming come, and go, and come, and go. Once you've worked in realtime systems, on compilers, and learnt how to write and architect clean code, you'll have the necessary perspective (and experience) to call yourself an expert developer.
> Neither is over-the-top hyperbole (Adobe Flash, really???)
If you fail to understand BOTH the strengths and weakness of an application then you aren't really qualified to comment.
> what I can tell you is that you seriously need to rethink your strategy to impress people
I couldn't give a fuck what people think. If you want to focus on the messenger instead of the message then grow the fuck up.
When I leave FF running for 30 days and it chews up 2 to 4 GB of RAM, close all the tabs down, restart the browswer, and it goes back to ~ 100 MB that is a memory leak but if you would spend less time on ad hominem attacks you would know that.
Focus on the message not the messenger otherwise you just look like you are focusing on pointless ad hominem attacks.
I'm an expert because I have 20+ years of graphics programming & design. I not only know what TO DO, but also what NOT to do (which is JUST as important.)
There is one answer to all your questions:
Most UX people don't know what the fuck they are doing!!!
They failed the 0th lesson:
* Form MUST FOLLOW Function
Sadly they are delusional and want "bling" at the expense of function. They want all sex appeal and forget that the best UI is one that gets out of your way!
IMHO Good UI _must_ _first_ give the perception of a smooth frame rate! Typically < 8 ms is ideal. No one gives a shit about "bling" if your frame rate is crap! Sadly UX people failed to learn the second lesson!
(In truth, both Form and Function are inter-twined.)
Thirdly, almost all UX designers mock everything up in Adobe Flash and don't have a freaking clue about understanding the holy Trinity of:
* Hardware
* Software
* User Experience of 60 FPS / Hz.
If you are extremely lucky they will understand 9-slice and a texture atlas. IF you are lucky.
For example, the typical noob UX designer will give programmers a background of 1280x720 px. On lower end hardware the GPU only supports power-of-2 textures, which means it is rounded up to 2048x1024 (2 MB which wastes 1 MB of VRAM) . For a static background most customers don't give a rats ass if the texture was 1024x1024 and scaled up!
The general UX stupidity and ignorance of failing to understand fundamentals such as frame rate budget (60 FPS), memory budget, S/N, Contrast explains the current fuckups in modern UI design.
Apple UI/UX designers are some of the worst. 2 Steps forward, and 1.5 steps backwards.
I want to smack the designers who put a close-app and minimize/maximize button next to each other.
How many UI / UX people understand Fitt's Law? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
Good UI is about giving user's OPTIONS and CUSTOMIZATION. Some people work better with the menu/dock on the top, some on the bottom, some on the side. The typical UX designer doesn't understand people THINK and VISUALLY process UI different. They are married to the idea that a "one size fits all."
Most UI's are a total joke. It took me ~10 years to finally understand good UI. Signal/Noise. I don't see any UI/UX people talking about that. (There may be, but no aware of any.)
Does this help answer your question?
We don't ship Android apps.
> because of 3 things:
Programmer Irony: Fence-Post Bug. Should be 4 things. ;-)
> The fact that you're asking that question
Only a fool pretends to know. The wise man isn't afraid to ask to find out why.
Or in the famous words of Neil Peart:
"What is a master but a master student?"
. /sarcams I guess you were born knowing ALL the answers. Sorry that I wasn't.
> there are far more deadlier things that can be outlawed (cars, alcohol, high-fructose corn syrup, etc).
That is a great list. Mod parent up!
Another example:
A person can legally kill themselves by
a) smoking themselves to death, or
b) drinking themselves to death
but yet suicide is illegal. Only the time frame is the difference; yet the former are legal while the latter is not??
Addictive drugs such as Alcohol, Nicotine, and Sugar are legal yet a harmless plant (Cannabis) is still illegal. And you in the back who asked "Why is the Constitution written on Hemp paper if Cannabis is so 'bad' ?" hush! And don't remind anyone of that government propaganda "Hemp for Victory" https://www.youtube.com/result...
You forget how stupid and hypocritical the general public is. :-/
You are blaming the wrong party.
I work in R&D.
Change for the sake of change is a *horrible* UI philosophy. See my other reply for more details:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
> self-professed "UX experts"
Self-Professed?? My smegging JOB TITLE says "Senior User Experience Developer"
I work for a Fortune 50 company. Yes, 50.
These days I do mostly WebGL and Javascript work.
My boss _starts_ with 60 FPS for UI. As someone who can tell the difference between 120 Hz, 60 Hz, and 30 Hz, I appreciate people who understand the technical and psychological issues in UI and name & shame those that don't have a clue about good UI design. Now if only the rest of the people in the company would understand the _fundamentals_ of UI. *sigh*
I've shipped games on DS, PS2, PS3, PC, Wii (implemented a subset of OpenGL 1.1 on it.) I've done UI work with Localization; I've designed fonts (a readable 3x4 px font and a custom 7x8 programming font); I've designed UI for OCR years ago _along_ with writing an OCR engine (from scratch). Recognition was +95% on handwriting -- but we cheated like crazy.
The _secret_ to understanding good UI is 2 things:
* Signal/Noise
* Whitespace (which is an _extension_ of S/N)
And _your_ credentials and experience are what again??
> and change GUIs for the sake of being trendy.
You got the wrong guy there buddy. You should be careful with stereotypes; they are not always correct.
> Tell me, what do you think of Firefox's drastic UI changes since Firefox 3?
If I may digress slightly. Modern UI/UX design is HORRIBLE. They are chasing the FAD of minimalism, aka anti-skeuomorphism. I _refuse_ to upgrade my iPhone5 from iOS6 to 7 because Apple no longer understands "Contrast" in icon design.
Likewise, Microsoft doesn't have a smeggin clue about good UI -- putting the Menu bar in ALL CAPS for Developer Studio 2012 was idiotic! Getting red of the underline when you pressed Alt was another stupid idea.
I can understand web browsers getting rid of the menu bar to reclaim vertical space, but user want consistency. There is a reason WIMP (Windows, Icons, Mouse, Pointer) have persisted for years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...
Turning menu bars off is OK --if--
a) NOT the default mode, and
b) users have a CHOICE to turn it on/off
No OS does a good job of managing the title bar space. They all waste it.
I've used FF since the pre 1.x days. It jumped the shark a while ago. (Version 27 _still_ leaks memory).
IRONICALLY I've switched to Chrome because of 3 things:
* Tools, Task Manager -- per tab memory, cpu, FPS usage!
* Chrome runs every tab in its own process
* Tabs Outliner
* Compact title bar.
In my day job I use Chrome, Firefox, and Safari for development.
Was there a _specific_ question about FF you had in mind?
I use Windows, OSX, and Linux. I tend to prefer OSX because it gives me the best of UI worlds -- a single menu bar across multiple monitors; although OSX has it share of stupid UI designs too. :-/
True.
That is why I advocate hosts blocking which allows my desktops AND mobile devices to block 90% of that ad crap.
i.e.
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ho...
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First Contact is coming 2024. Are you ready for the answer?
> but I can't think of anything practical to complain about.
- Price
- Distance on one tank. (500 miles is the "magic" number before consumers will "buy" into it.)
./sarcasm Thanks Captain Obvious. A tautology tells us smeg all, i.e. jack shit, aka NOTHING.
I'm an Graphics + UI + UX expert and use open source when I can (I also contribute to a minor open source emulator.)
1. What can we as a community do to address the weaknesses of Open Source?
That is, I see time and time again in open source:
* Functionality not on par with certain commercial apps,
* Bad UI,
* Poor documentation such as man files that don't have any freaking examples,
* A million and one clones that duplicate basic functionality
2. How do you respond to trolls who call open source "open sores" ?
3. How do we overcome the perceived image that "you get what you pay for" That is, some people think that if it is free it isn't worth anything, or it is only "worth" something if I must pay $$$ for it ?
4. Finally, is there an up-to-date list that shows all the various open source "equivalents" of commercial software?
Cheers
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Only Cowards Censor