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60 Minutes Dubbed Engines Noise Over Tesla Model S
cartechboy (2660665) writes "Did you watch the Tesla 60 Minutes segment the other night? If you did, you might have ended up on the floor rolling around laughing like I did. Since when does the Tesla Model S electric car make audible engine noises? Or downshift? Turns out, 60 Minutes dubbed engine noises and a downshift over the Model S running footage. The show claims it was an editing error. Call it what you want, it was absolutely hilarious. A little note to TV producers assigned to cover Tesla Motors in the future: Electric cars don't upshift or downshift."
At least they didn't fraudulently blow it up!
At least they didn't fraudulently claim the battery went flat during a test run.
There is no way that was an editing error. Someone had to purposefully add those noises to the footage. Please.
I guess you could say they gave it some axle foley.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
I too noticed it and thought it was odd but rationalized it as being the sound of the vehicle carrying the video camera.
Smooth, instant acceleration no matter what your current speed. It's mind blowing when you first experience it.
I don't get how people can "miss" the sound of a regular engine, and having to shift. A good computer analogy would be "missing" having to manually input bootstrap code to get your machine going. Sure, it can be a nice bit of nostalgia, but it's a requirement of antiquated technology that no longer applies in the case of the Model S.
I so wish I could afford that car. I hope they can get the price of its successor down into the 30s; I will jump on that SO quick.
The editors who put in car-related audio on all manner of film media are morons, plain and simple.
I mean, these are the same guys that pipe in 'tires screeching on pavement' sounds every time the Duke boys take off, even when they're on gravel or dirt.
Frankly, I'd be far more surprised if they didn't add a bunch of fake engine noises.
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This, combined with something I saw in a parking lot yesterday make me think again about electric cars.
I saw a guy text-walking in a parking lot, he nearly hit by a prius which was in low speed electric mode. (yeah that is a user problem, but the guy wouldn't have walked in front of a glass-packed V8 mustang.)
People expect cars to make noise. Television is a decent example since it just happened, but in real life, cars make noise, which warns peds, motorcycles, bicyclists, and other cars that there is 2 tons of metal, plastic, and rubber about to hit them.
Nearly silent, high performance cars remove one of the basest instinct protections we have against current squids driving fast cars (they are loud, so you know they are doing something stupid even before you see them). I imagine some detroit dinosaur who owns a few dozen politicians could latch on to this and require electrics to make some kind of noise.. which will be pretty funny once the hacker/teenager crowd starts modding them.
Mine will probably play Yakkety Sax until I get a DMCA takedown notice,
It's not only for Tesla, and not just on videos either. :)
Engines are getting more efficient and quieter every year, and cars are better insulated as well. Customers are disappointed when they spend big bucks on a car only to find out it doesn't sound like a big old sport car.
The solution? Manufacturers actually add speakers next to the engine, exhaust and inside the car.
You sometimes get V8 sound out of a V6 car
http://www.caranddriver.com/fe...
Cars with CVT don't shift either.
Electric trains can make noises which sound a lot like a gear change as they change speed. In reality it is changes to the electric control regime. It's still not reasonable to assume that a Tesla will sound the same though.
Owl tried to think of something wise to say, but couldn't.
I think many people find electrics a issue because of the lack of engine noise. So much so, some hybrids pump engine noise through speakers to appease the driver. For me this is the least of the problems I have with all electric vehicles. I personally find their range, inconvenience of long charge times and their unproven longevity down the road. Just does not impress me in the least. Unless we can invent some better ways to store more energy. I think electrics are simply a stop gap niche that will eventually be replaced by a more accepted energy source.
What is proof of this inability to accept electrics, is the fact that even 60 minutes felt the need to edit in engine noises just so as to not make the Tesla boring. My question is, how come Tesla was not upset by this?
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It is 38.6% more likely that puppies will wander into the street in front of a quiet car.
If it is a Tesla car they could get wedged under the car where they will burst into flames from leaky batteries.
It is obvious that 60mins was playing this car noise to warn the puppies to get off the road while they were filming for the report.
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I bet it is the same editor who adds engine sounds to spaceships flying in empty space!
Why don't they just add a beep ... beep... sound like a commercial vehicle makes when reversing.?..
Time for Tesla to run some footage of Morely Safer with a few sound effects added. Is that an audio editing error I smell?
I'm sure this wasn't just one low-level sound editor's fault...but that guy will be working at McDonalds by the end of the week.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-and-spacex-elon-musks-industrial-empire/
That's not a problem, it's a massive advantage. If some imbeciles want their cars causing noise pollution, I want them to go fuck themselves with a cactus!
This is Slashdot - do you mean you pirated the torrent or something?
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They have lost all credibility in the last year. They are no longer a news outlet but the paid shills of their network an their sponsors.
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..added the propeller noises to the jet in "Airplane!" ?
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Gotta love the way those crusading journalists, champions of the truth, arbiters of reality and honesty cover their butts when they get caught willfully misleading people. It's like the politician/bureaucrat who says "mistakes were made" (as though the error created itself) rather than "I screwed up"... The TV news version of this is "it was an editing error" (as though there was no reporter and no editor and no producer... the equipment in the editing bay just switched itself on and edited the program and dubbed-out important facts, or dubbed-in completely fake audio, etc)
Remember when NBC edited the 9-11 tape in the Trayvon Martin case? They edited-out the dispatcher asking George Zimmerman to identify the race of the person he thought was acting suspiciously so that it sounded like Zimmerman was fixated on race (this fit nicely with the theme the corporation was championing on its MSNBC network - pure coincidence I'm sure). When caught, the network said it was an editing error.
It's standard group-think on left-wing web sites to obey DNC talking points and always refer to Fox News as "Faux News" and pretend that Fox is the one network that cannot be trusted, but while this tactic may be politically useful to Democrats trying to marginalize the only network that's not in-the-tank for Obama and the DNC, the truth is that examples like these illustrate that ALL news outlets need to be scrutinized and every one of them needs to be ridiculed when it is caught intentionally manipulating the news. When a channel is caught with an intentional fabrication like this and it does not come clean and admit the details, then it needs to be publicly criticized. This was NOT some news reader getting tounge-tied and mis-pronouncing a name (THAT is a "mistake") or ad-libbing and mis-identifying a location depicted in a live video feed (THAT is a "mistake"). This was a deliberate act to add a sound that was not present on the raw footage... and the way it was handled tells you that doctoring video in this way is apparently not noteworthy in that facility.
some hybrids pump engine noise through speakers to appease the driver
They do that for safety too, not just to appease the driver. Domino's Pizza in the Netherlands made a marketing coup with this a few years ago when they switched to electric delivery scooters. They added audio of a guy going "VROOoooooommmmmm! Lecker-lecker-lecker... Vrrrooooommmm!" (Apparently, "lecker" means "yummy" in Dutch.)
invent some better ways to store more energy
There have been MANY teams working on this, for several years, with lots of VC/R&D, and several new products are going to hit the market it the next couple of years: liquid metal batteries, sodium ion batteries, compressed air storage, sodium air batteries, artificial leaf, another artificial leaf, flywheels, super-capacitors, etc... Most of these are intended for grid-level storage, but a few are quite suitable for transportation as well. In particular, sodium-air batteries have the advantage of light weight, since one of their reactants (air) is available on the fly. And the two "artificial leaf" technologies can be used to create fuel from sunlight.
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Actually there are valid reasons for an electric vehicle to shift gears - just because many electric vehicles only have one gear doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for having multiple gear ratios.
Although in the case of EVs, shifting tends to be more speed-dependent than load-dependent. While EV motors are typically constant-power, there ARE torque limits at low speeds due to current limits. Although this usually means that an EV that has more than one gear ratio needs far fewer than an internal combustion vehicle. (as in, even two gear ratios is usually enough in the rare cases where only one gear ratio wasn't.)
See Charles Guan's burnoutchibi project as one example.
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-ubuntu others as you would have others ubuntu you.
People will think time's running backwards.
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"Because Hollywood."
I agree, and incidentally, this sentence no verb either.
The error was in getting caught, despite it being obvious.
I suspect that if you dig in, CBS will eventually claim that this is all intended to further engage the audience, give a familiar context, and generally improve the viewing experience. apparently reality is a challenging environment for CBS, but this is not news to me. 60 Minutes in particular has long been challenged by reality, and doesn't show any signs of abating.
All of which above goes for most of the mainstream media. It's entertainment. We love it. Pretending to be informative is alright, so long as we know when the role changes.
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Unless the camera is pointed at somebody's face or the segment is live, very little "live" sound is ever used on TV or in the movies. Even from nice microphones, the audio from a "field" rig is rarely good enough to use in a broadcast when you don't have to. (Many movies make extensive of "Additional Dialog Recording", where the actors essentially dub their own dialog so it can use dialog from a sound studio instead of the set.)
It would not surprise me if the editor, when needing some "car moving" footage didn't even have the audio turned on in his editing console... and just had his library of stock sound effects ready to splice in.
The object of the carpool lane is to reduce greenhouse gas emission per capita.
The object of a carpool lane is to reduce traffic congestion. Reducing tailpipe emissions is a second order benefit.
Yes, turning two "crazy" ideas into $billion companies in 10 years with most of the population doubting, if not openly thwarting you, is a great achievement.
Three actually. Paypal, Tesla and SpaceX. If there is any entrepreneur with a better success record than that, I've never heard of him.
Except that it's a huge issue for the vision impaired, which is the primary justification for adding louder engine noises to cars like the Prius. Don't get yourself on the wrong side of the ADA or you will find yourself in a world of hurt
I would have dubbed a harley without a muffler over it.
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So the blind are also deaf? electric cars make a LOT of noise on their own. The tires alone are 50% of all car's noise. It is wierd that my 2007 civic is quieter than the neighbors Leaf.
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I'm an audio engineer. I've done several short films, nominated for a few awards
Nice to meet you and congratulations.
Frankly, my dear, nobody gives a damn about what a particular car sounds like in a particular situation except for us nerds.
Probably true which brings up the question why bother going to the trouble of adding the wrong sound? To bring things back on topic, this isn't a fictional movie like star wars where the fact that there is no sound in space isn't important. This is a news piece or at least purports to be one. Accuracy matters in non-fiction. If you can't record what it does accurately then don't record the audio.
Unless the media piece is explicitly focused on how something sounds, having realistic audio is actually distracting to the audience,
Have you actually heard a Telsa in action? It barely makes any noise. Exactly how is no noise going to be distracting? If the noise doesn't matter and the vehicle doesn't make any worth recording then strip it out altogether and talk. As you pointed out, nobody cares exactly what sound it makes but that doesn't mean the audio engineer needs to insert sounds that are plainly wrong to anyone with operating brain cells. Sure, some people might not notice but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
If I'm walking through a parking lot and someone starts a Prius right next to me, I hear nothing. When the Prius shifts into reverse, I hear nothing. When the Prius starts to back up, I hear a small tone and the sound of tires on surface after the car has started to roll, the sound of which is variable depending on the quality of the surface and the tires. When there are many things going on, as there are on your average street or parking lot, hearing the small tone of a Prius is a lot more difficult than you think.
IANAL, but that's gotta be defamation of character.
They claim accidental error by a worker. OK, maybe that's true. But that person has a manager, and that manager has a boss, and so on. And someone surely "proofed" the segment before it aired — all media organizations, if they have any sense, do that.
Is there a transmission in the Tesla S?
Not really, no. The Tesla Roadster had one that they were working on but it was never produced to my knowledge due to insurmountable technical hurdles. It's possible to put a transmission on an electric motor but generally it isn't necessary.
Did it have more than 5 or 6 gears, too? I've seen high speed chases in movies where a car shifts through 7+ gears.
The problem isn't that they can buy in; it's that single-occupant cars are allowed in carpool lanes, because of some arbitrary exemption (motor/energy storage tech; WTF does that have to do with ride-sharing?). But it's only arbitrary to me; to your constituency it's obviously extremely important (important enough to have LAWS!) that people use certain types of cars (rather than merely sharing cars). It's so important, that you are going around pointing guns in peoples' faces and insisting that things be a certain way.
Given that urgent priority, are you sure it's bad that people can buy in? The people who buy in, are doing the thing that you want and the people who are spending their money on other things (e.g. rent and food and maintaining their internal combustion cars) and not doing the thing that you want. The rich people are behaving in the desired manner and the poor people are engaging in undesirable behavior. Thus, shouldn't the good guys be rewarded and the bad guys punished?
Hey, why are you looking at me like I just said the stupidest thing ever? (Though I agree that I just did.) Hey, these are YOUR laws I'm talking about! I'm not advocating the view, I'm merely saying we have adopted it. Keep that in mind before you call me a fuckwit.
Perhaps this idea of going around pointing guns in peoples' faces to get certain types of behaviors (i.e. using law to manipulate the direction of technological development) is the deeply stupid thing going on here. Just an idea.
Which is more than what you hear of a modern civic. as those dont emit a "tone" but that is not a quiet car, my father in laws caddilac CTS is so silent you have to look at the gauges to see if it is running.
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The Tesla S isn't a luxury sedan, please don't compare it to a Mercedes S-class, which is about the same price when both are nicely equipped.
Having sat in both (I used to own a Mercedes) I can assure you that the Tesla S most definitely IS a luxury sedan. There is nothing in Mercedes lineup under $100K that I think is more fitting of the definition.
The supercharger network doesn't make up for the fact that you can refuel that S-class in 5 minutes and drive it 500 miles on that 5 minute "charge".
And yet I'd trade an S-Class for a Tesla in a heartbeat anyway.
I have not seen a modern combustion engine car that I cannot hear start or cannot hear operating externally, including my mother in law's CTS
realized it was electric. What sound effect would they use instead? Starship Enterprise sounds or something? It would probably rise to cult classic status.
Actually, that would be fun. Slashdot should have a competition to decide what an electric car on television should sound like.
The point of the post you're replying to is that the news editors shift the audio so it matches the video explosion. They also do the same with rocket launches.
Where cars have the "peel out" sound in the dirt.
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Do we need any other proof that network news is simply another TV show dressed up as informative programming? These news shows are in the entertainment industry, right along side sitcoms and 'reality' shows.
And I heartily disagree. For how big and heavy the model S is it handles like a car half its size. It goes very fast off the line, at 35 mph, 70 mph, really any time I hit the pedal it launches. Even in a porsche there are certain RPMs that the car "likes". I've never had more fun in a car.
Whereas at Fox News, the ones who make up shit about BHO are elected to Congress.
Or just candidates for buying the Buffalo Bills.
The 'Audi unintended-acceleration' horseshit all over again...
When my old MX-3 was new, it was nearly silent. I was in a parking lot and saw some friends of mine. I drove up literally within 2 feet of them before they heard me.
Internal combustion cars can be darn near silent, too. I'm not aware of any requirement that they make some minimum of noise. Even if there is, cars moving at speed may not be making enough noise for you to hear before they hit you.
Think of the MPG for plutonium, lol
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60 Minutes shined brightly in the 1970s and hasn't even been a shadow of what it once was since.
They have a habit of making the footage tell the story they want it to. Remember how F-150s were supposed explode and catch fire if t-boned? After numerous attempts (and much cost), they were caught with having an incendiary device attached to the fuel tank. There explanation was that they had proof this happened (even though their own attempts couldn't do it), so it was for dramatization for the story. I can't remember if Dan Rather had to do any more than apologize, but the producer of the segment lost their job over it.
weird.
You know that noise you hear from Priuses that sounds like an electrical buzzing/whirring?
The car's drivetrain doesn't make that noise. That's artificial noise, designed specifically to warn pedestrians when the engine is inactive. I was surprised the first time I drove a Prius, because you can't hear that noise from inside the car. I'd assumed it would be louder.
The person text-walking is completely at fault. How stupid can you be to text-walk in a parking lot?
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Who still watches that? Too many proven lies. Now just a commercial acting like news.
Given that the Tesla is just a very large & powerful golfcart by performance, it's not going to make the sounds typically made by cars.
That's something that will have to be addressed some time down the road when it's possible to get an American-sized (read: something Chrysler-sized) alternative fuel car that costs the same as its conventionally-fueled brethren. Faking it only works if you remove every other option (see Ford and Eco-Boost).
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
From what I remember, the Tesla / Top Gear lawsuit was settled the was it was because the producers claimed that everyone knows that Top Gear is 100% scripted entertainment and no one expects the stories to be factual and the court agreed.
Not too surprising, since movies have for decades made the sound of an ASR-33 when text is being printed on a glass display.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletype_Model_33
Heck, the ASR-33 was obsolete by 1975.
This is the equivalent of having the Enterprise go "woosh" by the screen in the opening credits.
Next I can see them dubbing choo-choo sound effects over clips of ELECTRICALLY-powered high-speed trains.
All laws are about behaviour modification, whether it be deterring/reducing murder, theft, or jaywalking. You just happen to think your preferred behaviour should be exempt from legal limitations. Not a big surprise considering your post seems to peg you into the "Libertarian - the free market solves everything" bucket.
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One that gets me is the sound of knives and swords sliding across a metal rail. If it's a proper scabbard, sure. But when it's in his pocket; Nope.
Another (looking at you Disney), is showing a PC tower then the GUI is Apple OS.
Another is computer screen 'reflection': That is, one could actually read the computer display from the operator's face.
Plus, I remember 'Baywatch' where a python had a tail-rattle sound.
I thought the engine noise was from the chase car?
I'd mod it to sound like the Jetsons flying car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdWswvLPdE0
...because the electric motors that are available inexpensively for retrofit into a car often have a limited speed range where they have a useful torque to power-usage ratio. It's pretty funny to see someone shifting an old VW with an electric motor, but I have seen it.
Making News instead of Reporting News has been the mainstay for the network news for quite some time. It sorta reduces the credibility on whatever they report on, knowing their "Creative Editing" changes the news to mean what ever they desire.