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Ad Tracking: Is Anything Being Done?
bsk_cw (1202181) writes "The W3C's Tracking Protection Working Group has been trying to come up with a way to make targeted ads acceptable to users and useful to advertisers — and so far, hasn't gotten very far. Computerworld's Robert Mitchell has interviewed people on all sides of the issue — consumer privacy advocates, vendors of ad-blocking tools, advertisers and website publishers — to try to unravel the issues and see if any solution is possible at all."
Use noscript , disable cookies. If your tin foil hat is too thick , Tor it out.
The basic problem is that most of the time it works to the detriment of the person viewing the ad.
Captcha: florid, once again unrelated to the topic
to try to unravel the issues and see if any solution is possible at all.
Right, because an interview with the wolves on the one hand, and the sheep on the other, is sure to discover some kind of compromise on the topic of what's for dinner.
Advertisers are parasites, and the only reason they will ever give in to anything is if we threaten them with extinction otherwise. AdBlockers and other defenses caused them to cave in a tiny bit and begin talk about "acceptable advertisement". Don't ever get deluded into thinking they'd give even an inch by themselves.
Solution? Yes, shoot them. That's a solution. Everything else is just a delay in their fight to cover every second of your live and every inch of your attention with their shit.
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a way to make targeted ads acceptable to users
That's like trying to come up with a way to make waterboarding more enjoyable...
Advertising, be it on television, newspapers, the internet or roadsign billboards, feels like mind rape to me.
I'm middle-aged and I remember more ads from my youth than stuff I learned at school. Ads for products that don't even exist anymore, but I can't get rid of the stupid ads in my head. Why do advertisers give themselves the right to pollute people's memory long-term with their shit?
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... It just works. Together with old AdBlock, no more tracking of me anywhere.
I will open my door to these advertisers if they will give me the keys and alarm codes to their homes and promise not to prosecute me if I misbehave.
Sounds fair to me.
After all, that's what these people are asking from everyone else. It takes a real psychopath to want to do to other people what they would never want done to them.
The targeted ads are far better then random ones that mean little to the users. Its the shear volume of those targeted ads and the longevity of how they hound you for weeks that is annoying. People can tolerate just so much traffic, bad weather, ads, or many other things in life. After that, it become excessive. As smart as ads are on the internet, they are dumb when it comes to determining when enough is enough. Maybe what can be done is reduce the amount of ads per web page and make them less annoying. I personally don't mind basic targeted ads, but I totally dislike animated and talking ads. That will not make me want anything, and tends to make me gravitate towards a ad blocker.
Then get a new one.
If you can't find a way to fund what you're doing with ads then do something else.
Turn off third party cookies, then use a hosts file something like this:
# Stop Google Analytics
0.0.0.0 www.google-analytics.com
0.0.0.0 ssl.google-analytics.com
#Stop some browser trackers
0.0.0.0 bluecava.com
0.0.0.0 ds.bluecava.com
# This MVPS HOSTS file is a free download from: #
# http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm #
# [Start of entries generated by MVPS HOSTS]
#
# [Misc A - Z]
0.0.0.0 fr.a2dfp.net
0.0.0.0 m.fr.a2dfp.net
Then if you want to go all paranoid and break your browsing, turn off javascript.
The host file works well and stops most tracking. In addition there is the benefit that sites load much faster even though my hosts file is >500 mb.
That's a tough thing to ask, as most websites are primarily funded with advertisements.
You have (at least) two sides with irreconcilable goals, so attacking the problem as a technological one, rather than a matter of power (with money sitting in the wings) seems like a category error(unless you count rounding up all the advertisers and rendering them into biodiesel as a 'technical solution', I'll give you that.).
If your goal is either to track somebody no matter what they think about the idea; that is a technological problem (cookies, then flash cookies, then various sorts of browser fingerprinting trickery, statistical system identification, etc, etc.) And, if your goal is to avoid tracking, whether Team Ads likes that or not, you similarly have a technical problem(cookie scrubbing, various sorts of script mitigation/disabling, browser anonymizations, onion routing, etc, etc.) Both of those are, if a continuing arms race, well understood to be technical problems.
A 'solution' or 'compromise' or similar such nonsense, though? Two people want overlapping things, it is not logically possible for them to both get what they want. Period. Not a technical problem, any more than 'peace and love in the middle east' just needs a few more RFCs...
And cleaning that up will take a LOT of effort and a LOT of goodwill.
Ad companies poisoned that well, I dare say for good. After years and decades of more and more (in both quality and quantity) obnoxious, irritating and outright rude in-your-face ads, more and more people were pushed to the point where they went and did something against them. We went and installed ad blockers.
In other words: We found a solution for our problem. Us not watching your ads is not our problem. You, dear ad companies, poisoned your well. You went onto our nerves with increasingly invasive ads. YOU, and ONLY YOU find a way out of that problem.
And if not, well, so be it. Nobody here really sheds a tear if you go bankrupt.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And if your business model depends on sniffing through my surfing habits and otherwise invading my privacy, don't bother finding a new business model.
Just go and die.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Then they should find a new business model, because I sure as fuck aint gonna set adblock off. Too much actual risk of malware these days without it for one, two.... ads fucking suck. Dont care about your need to eat and nor should I. And frankly.... you know how cheap it is to host a site these days? Unless you are biiiiig, it's next to nothing.
You want to know how to make ads acceptable?
Permanent incognito/private browsing mode + Adblock + Ghostery + click-to-play + DNT (yeah, you all ignore it anyway) + a vanilla user agent. Make them the default for every browser.
Marketers take heed: Ads no longer server the purpose they once did. Every time you manage to sneak a clever ad past my technical defenses, you piss me off about your product/company/campaign.
You want to get my to buy Pepsi? Advertise for Coke. Simple as that.
Then most websites have a broken business model because they're being funded not because of what they offer or have but because of something incidental that happens.
How many people now brag about not watching TV? And what is the primary source of funds for TV? Advertising.
How many people now brag about not reading or needing newspapers? And what is the primary source of funds for newspapers? Advertising.
What's the pattern here?
Business models that depend on advertising are fundamentally flawed because they depend on something that is incidental to what they provide.
If I build a popular website that generates 1,000,000 hits a day, but nobody pays to use it, then it could be considered popular but also a money sink.
If I then throw advertising on it to generate money, it doesn't make the website any more worthwhile and it doesn't represent a worthwhile business model.
But what about facebook? Well, how many of us would pay to use facebook? Oh, you wouldn't? In that case what value does it have? Yeah. And people pay to advertise on it? More fool them.
advertisements do not have the intended effect on me anymore. Quite the opposite in fact.
The guy that shouts over the teevee that i should buy a pickup truck? He is virtually guaranteeing that i will NEVER buy a pickup truck.
I have never eaten at a Red Robin and I never will. Why? Because I once saw a commercial for Red Robin that i found particularly distasteful. Any time i go to a store, before walking in, if i can remember any particularly virulent ads, i turn around & go somewhere else. Mastercard may be priceless to you, but to me its a lame meme that stopped being funny in 1997.
Eventually i had to quit watching teevee altogether... there were so few places left that i could still shop at.
So when i block your ads, i'm doing you and your client a favor. Do NOT try to stop me from blocking your ads.
The problem is simple.
The user wants the CONTENT to have focus, as that is what they go there to get.
The advertisers want the ADVERTISEMENTS to have focus, so they have "Impact."
That is why advertisements are obnoxious, obtrusive, cover 80 to 90% of the display, hoover around, make blaring noises, flash rapidly enough to induce epileptic seizures in those vulnerable, and overall make users reach for adblock software.
The solution? Advertisers need to pay more for less obtrusive ads.
If a site can get enough revenue to operate on just a simple hyperlinking rotating image banner, they wont need full page flash plague competing with their content.
But advertisers want eyeballs. ALL of the user's eyeballs. If advertisers had their way, people would spend 80 to 90% of their time watching adverts-- both on the internet and on television.
Allowing advertisements to become ubiquitous to the point of requiring brain bleach to control is NOT the answer, and only further increases the "Need" to inject yet more adverts to secure a workable revenue stream for the site/channel operators. Basically, they are saturating the market for adverts, and the price paid out per advert served drops. To make up for that, they have to display more adverts. Works GREAT for advertising companies, but is poison for content producers. It has a double-edge, in that as the percentage of time spent viewing adverts goes up, the number of viewers watching the site goes down.
It should not be any bit at all hard to determine where the two trends meet, especially with the INSANE amounts of analytics going on with advert tracking, and page viewing.
The problem is that the advert companies dont want to pay what the adverts are actually worth, and are driving the price paid per impression into the ground, while making a killing doing so. Users dont want to actually pay a fee to use the internet's various webpage services, which have traditionally always been free. (with a few exceptions.)
The real solution is to keep content as the primary focus, put a fucking ball gag and super glue in the mouths of the advertisers, and cut off the flow of gravy by refusing to plaster wall to wall adverts all over the internet, thus making the internet advert real-estate space a premium commodity, commanding a high price through encouraging scarcity.
Users would easily handle a 30% advert (max), 70% content (min) mix. They will walk away from, or start using adblock to circumvent anything above where the curves meet.
This isnt hard.
And the money paid to them from the advertisers is added into the cost of the product.
I use the Ghostery plugin for Firefox.
Works quite well.
Avast antivirus blocks some but Ghostery is the shit.
I got some websites that now come up with a message begging me to stop blocking their Ad shit, they need to make money.
Thats how good Ghostery is.
Back during the dot-bomb era, all the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs had this business model: start something, get lots and lots of eyeballs by giving away content, and regardless of its profitability, sell out to some very large corporation that has no clue for billions of dollars.
Big corps finding out that you can't charge for something that was free, then decided to use advertising.
And here we are.
Advertisers get banned. Don't associate with them.
You have them. Fuck ads. All of them. Always. Forever.
And if your business model depends on ad revenue. Then get a new one. If you can't find a way to fund what you're doing with ads then do something else.
You don't find it just a teensy bit ironic that you're posting this on Slashdot?
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"Advertisers are parasites". That's an interesting choice of words. I guess you're unaware that advertisers pay the bills for this site and almost all sites on the internet. Users like yourself get something for free. For any definition of "parasite" that I can imagine, it's the users, who get something for nothing, who best fit that label.
I work with a few thousand sites that are NOTsupported by ads. Instead, users pay the bills directly. That normally costs $29.95 / month for a membership. Personally, I don't want to pay $29.95 for each site. I prefer the ad-supported model.
> selling all the things I couldn't care less about and they make it hard to actually concentrate on the content I am on the website for in the first place.
Agreed. I much prefer RELEVANT ads. These days, I often see ads that are precisely the type of thing I would buy, and like that. I buy a lot of refurb enterprise storage. If you offer me a great deal on a 16 port 3ware card, that's a lot more useful to me (and the advertiser) than some random ad.
> 2) they're one of the most popular ways of spreading malware on the Internet.
And needlessly so. The ads themselves don't need to be running script or Flash from the advertiser. Text or an image does the job fine. The NETWORK (Google or DoubleClick) may need some scripting to provide the most relevant ads, but they don't need to be presenting script provided by their various advertisers.
> who can be trusted to vet the content they pass on and avoid being a distributor of JavaScript malware?
That's easy - if they only pass on plain text and images, no scripting, they aren't passing on JavaScript malware. I believe Google falls into that category.
Of course Google has their own script. It does "track" you, but it's not malware in the sense of your post.
Advertisers try to sell 'happiness', trying to convince us that if we buy their product (car, soda or laundry detergent), we will be happy. It's all a con job.
I lost interest in internet ads back when they started inserting 'flashing strobe lights' to get my attention, totally annoying! The ad people haven't gotten any better at not annoying me since.
You are not mistaken. Your IP address is basically unique to your neighborhood. So we have "that guy in northwest Billings, Montana who uses Safari version X.Y on OSX version X.Y.z with the screen resolution xXy, media player plugin version x.Y, adblock version x.Y, noscript version x.Y ....". We'll recognize that guy when he comes back.
Google has gotten around it with google.com/analytics it used to be googleanalytics.com
It's the site that sends you your pre-selected ads on a mobile device as defined by where you've been, and who pays them.
If users don't want annoying ads, instead serve ads that aren't annoying.
If you don't to be tracked from site to site, the ads you see on Slashdot could be based on which stories you read on Slashdot, and based on the comments you post. No cross-site tracking, if that's what users want.
Key to this is something else users want - a ton of free content. You don't want to pay $29.95 / month for Slashdot. You want Slashdot, and you want it for free. Advertisers are willing to help pay the bills to keep Slashdot running (and all of the other sites). That means advertisers are already giving you something you want.
One thing several people posted is that ad relevance is shorter than advertisers seem to think. Don't advertise something I searched for six weeks ago, users say. Advertisers can fix that. People have also complained that ads are often for a product they purchased. Instead, it would be better to have ads for RELATED products and services. That's doable.
I don't think the issue is tracking. People expect that thanks Google, Baidu, NSA... One issue is that advertising has become so good at being evil that people don't trust ads. Think "one weird trick..." that people have a visceral negative reaction to ads. Another issue is that there is so much of it. 20+ minutes of an hour of TV with ads embedded in the show itself. Both are in part a result of consumers not having a vector to correct the market (think invisible hand). Do the advertisers see the results of the no this is not relevant feedback on hulu? Of course not because if the company running the ads knew how disliked their ads were some advertisers would be out of a job and the medium conveying those ads would loose revenue. Which brings us to the central issue, technology has given the advertisers more power and they in turn have became unconstrained psychopaths with said power so why would anyone want to give them more power.
Of course technology has changed consumers too. If I buy something say a magazine, a newspaper or a subscription to a website I feel that I am buying the content not the ads so refraining from sending me ads ought to be part of the deal.
IMHO these websites are examples of bad design .
While that is true, in practical terms it is irrelevant. Websites are now designed with little/no graceful degradation. That is simply the situation as it is, for better or worse. Websites are not designed to gracefully fall back and probably won't ever be designed that way going forward. There is insufficient economic incentive for commercial ventures to be bothered so it isn't likely to happen. Few people turn off Javascript and those that do are probably not of commercial interest so why design for them? Very annoying but I don't see any reasonably likely chance that it will change either.
Then do not go to those websites, no reason to use a website that was built by some kid that does not understand basics of webdesign.
Good luck with that. It isn't "kids" designing these websites and they know exactly what they are doing. It's commercial ventures who know that very few people turn off javascript and those that do are probably not likely to be customers anyway.
After 20+ years of your ads online, stop already!
If we want your product we will buy it, otherwise leave me the fuck alone.
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Internet Explorer has a feature called Tracking Protection which allows you to disable third party content on websites. It lists out all third party elements that you frequently see and allows you to disable them. That way you can block Facebook from all websites, which aren't Facebook.
just block it all
occasionally websites will whine about blocking or add stuff that adblock doesn't get but you can use element hiding so you don't see them begging either
you can track me all you want from my "browser fingerprint" but I'll never see your ads
my firefox even has gif animations disabled
go to about:config
search for animation_mode
set the value to none
advertising is sensory pollution which is intentionally designed to cause brain damage, why would I even consider exposing myself to it?
And the other thing that targeted advertisers need to realise is that, especially for larger items, if I want or am considering buying an 'X' then I will research 'X's online. At that point targeted adverts for various 'X's would be appropriate. But once I have made my decision and actually purchased an 'X', I do not want another one and targeted adverts for 'X's are neither appropriate nor welcome. For example if someone has just purchased a new car then they are (probably) not going to purchase another one for at least a year or two, so adverts for new cars immediately following a purchase are both unwelcome for the recipient and a waste of time for the advertiser.
A fork of a popular browser like Firefox or Chrome, but with ad-blocking built in. Who cares about an advertisers right to profit. My privacy trumps your right to profit every time. You don't have a right to profit. You have a right to life, liberty, and the *pursuit* of happiness. I actually do have a right to be secure in my papers, etc. This includes being online. As long as I don't store anything on your servers, my browsing should not reveal anything about me unless I specifically say.
Sure, the current poles of 'no ads' and 'fully personalized targeted ads' are not compatible. That's why we have negotiations. And there is plenty of middle ground. It is just a question of how targeted we are willing to allow to support the free services we all love to use online. For example, an electronics site might feature ads targeted to electronics hobbyists. Is that so bad? Somewhat targeted at least. And it doesn't require any tracking. I know this isn't exactly the sort of thing we are talking about, it is the old way advertising worked.
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That's why I set NoScript to allow everything by default and use Request Policy to do the actual script blocking. But seriously, something needs to be done about those psychopathic marketers because I should haven't to whitelist every tom, dick and harry that gave them money to execute scripts on my computer. Especially since the ad networks do such a shitty job of screening for malware and inappropriate ads.
And how do you deal with CDNs? It isn't always obvious when it's an adserver and when it's a CDN that's required to pull up the data for the site.
Sounds like the problem here is advertisers refusing to acknowledge the existence of Nash Equilibrium and operating under the assumption that they can just force their way in whatever way they feel like. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the blocking behavior by web users is the direct consequence of abusive marketing and the failure of the marketers to understand that is leading them to engage in shadier and shadier methods of marketing.
I don't necessarily mind ads, but I'm not interested in getting infected by them, having flash ads crash my browser or obscure content and I'm certainly not interested in that intellitext bullshit that makes browsing a real headache. And let's not forget about those stupid ads that load late and then cause the entire page to shift or are set to autoplay when I open a page.
Ugh. Hosts file blocking is stupid. In point of fact, there are very few legitimate uses of the hosts file, and this is not one of them. AdBlock is the right tool, because it can actually filter based on the URL, not just the domain. It also blocks the request much sooner in the process. Why bother doing a DNS request at all for something you are going to block? Also, after the DNS search ends, the computer will still attempt to connect to that address and retrieve the content requested. I don't mean to imply that DNS-level blocking is never appropriate, but if you're going to do that, the most appropriate option is to use a fucking DNS server, so that your changes to domain name resolution are centralized and available to the entire network. It will also let you return NXDOMAIN instead of an IP address, which is much closer to what you want.
But really what you want, if the subject is ad blocking, is not to block the domain, but the content being served from that domain. The quote "there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong." is perfectly descriptive of both the historical and current use of the hosts file. It happens to be an accessible place for you to throw your monkey wrench in, but it's not what that's for and it does it badly by any measure. Massive APK-style hosts files have truly terrible performance: either they're indexed in memory, which becomes painful probably at about the 1 GB mark, or they are stored (unindexed, at least on Windows) on disk, and read line-by-line whenever you need to do a DNS search. Keep in mind that unless a match is found the entire hosts file will be read, and then a DNS request will be sent. Also keep in mind that fetching things stored in memory on the local network is at least 10x faster than disk access.
For more information on appropriate uses of the hosts file, see here. Note that they don't have anything to do with content blocking, because DNS is the wrong tool for that.
So the only websites that should exist are ecommerce ones?
(and maybe the internet as we know it)
Here's a crowd-based experiment I've always wanted to initiate: For one day, everyone follows ads and stays on the ad site for a non-trivial amount of time.
If everyone clicks on ads (or even a small percentage of people), monthly ad budgets will be very quickly drained. The companies will have received no value from their ad spend (if they do at all as it is). Google, et al. will get a one day windfall from the ad revenues. It might take a few coordinated "denial-of-ad-attacks", but eventually vendors will start to question the value of their internet advertising budgets and find better ways to spend their money connecting with customers.
Of course, a side effect of this might be killing the goose that laid the golden egg. If Google and Facebook suddenly lose their primary source of revenue, they will have to look for other ways to monetize their services (maybe just asking users to pay? if Facebook's numbers are real (haha), $5/month/user would be ~$5B/month ,which is not bad).
A more devious alternative would be to have ad blockers silently follow the ads and "fake" a user session...
We build a modified AdBlock+ or Ghostery that quietly identifies the advertisers you'd see if you weren't blocking em'. It builds a ranking based upon annoyingness and frequency to build you a special Do Not Buy list consisting of those advertiser's parent companies. It doesn't just tell you this list, but you've a barcode scanner phone app than if you scan a bar code then it tell you how bad that company is. Ad companies might straighten up if advertisements have a potentially negative ROI.
1.) To prevent virus infections from virus infested ad servers (especially on Yahoo which is notorious for spreading infections)
2.) To block Intellitxt, the most evil, obnoxious, pile of shit advertisers have come up with to date
3.) To ensure the fast loading and scrolling of websites without pop-ups, pop-unders, redirects, and other bullshit
4.) To block commercials in content I pay a subscription for, NO DOUBLE-DIPS!!!
Better than anything else, doing far more: Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
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APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
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A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
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* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
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"Advertisers are parasites". That's an interesting choice of words. I guess you're unaware that advertisers pay the bills for this site and almost all sites on the internet.
I am aware of that and those two are not mutually exclusive. Sure I get something for free. If your definition of "free" is limited to the exchange of money. But money is not everything you have that has value. Your time and your attention are valuable too. And they are more valuable than the service that you get for them, because otherwise those inbetween could not make a profit on selling them to advertisers.
Never thought about it that way around, have you? Let me repeat that: There is no "free" in capitalism. You just pay in a different currency. Since people make a profit here, what they get from you and re-sell to someone else is worth more than what you're getting in return. The difference is the profit they make.
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There isn't a purely technical solution to this problem. The only solution is legal: first define a standard do-not-track header for HTTP (done), then impose a legal penalty for anyone who fails to honor it. And by all that's holy, learn from the errors of the Do Not Call list. The ability for individuals to go directly to small-claims court to recover was a good thing, but there's a couple of corrections that need to be made. First, have the law make the penalties mandatory. Don't give the judge the option of not imposing them just because he feels it isn't reasonable to demand that much from the advertiser. He should have the discretion to decide whether the DNT header was sent and whether the defendant tracked the user, but if the header was sent and the user was tracked then it is an abuse of discretion to not impose the stated penalties. Second, dump the exceptions for political and charitable stuff and surveys and the like. Any exceptions that are made should be limited to the site being visited only, even something as benign as "technically necessary" shouldn't apply to third-party sites.
on the net. All this is forcing me to adblock off cookies all. and any site I cant see no script oh well fuck um.
I bought a house with a dock on the water I will see you all on the river.
This computing aint much fun any more.
You assert the following:
A person will only trade A for B if A > B.
Someone trades A for B.
Therefore, A > B.
However, you've forgotten that in order for someone to trade A for B, someone must also trade B for A. For every seller there must be a buyer, for every employee, there must be an employer.
Therefore, the full syllogism for the transaction is:
A person will only trade A for B if A > B.
Someone trades A for B.
Someone trades B for A.
Therefore, A > B and B > A.
It is obviously false that A is greater and less than B. Therefore, your whole understanding of capitalism is falsified in seconds. Your mind - blown.
You've missed a couple of important facts, including the very fact that the name "capitalism" comes from.
First, a car is worth about $1500 / year. A teenage employee is worth about $10,000 / year. Ten thousand pounds of water, flour, tomatoes and cheese are worth $20,000.
Total value of these items: $30,500
The value of 10,000 pizzas, each delivered: $140,000
The business person makes a profit essentially by putting the parts together in a way that increases value, not by shrewd trading.
A ship combined with an organized crew, combined with a contract to carry things is (much) more valuable than the value of an empty ship + the value of random people's time + a contract you can't fulfill. That's how profits are made - putting the right pieces together, in the right way, so that the value to the is increased. You must increase the value to the buyer, obviously, but also increase the value to workers. By myself, I can generate $X in a good month, $Y in a bad month. My work, in my employer's office, with my employer's equipment, my employer's team, and my employer's reputation pays me a steady $X every month, which I find much more valuable. My employer can reliably pay me as much as I'd make by myself in a good month because by putting all of the parts together the value of the system is $X * 2.
What stops THAT? This (& better by far than adblock): Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
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APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
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A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
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* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
Hosts do FAR more for users of them: What stops THAT? This (& better by far than adblock): Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
Yeah, I think that the advertisers (and Google seems to be particularly bad at this) really need to crack down on certain obviously-misleading ads. I've seen a creeping increase in the "Green Download Button" ads, which really serve no other purpose than to mislead people on download pages into downloading and installing the *wrong* product (generally malware).
Adblock doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for you: Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
Adblock doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for you: Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
It's advertiser owned! Adblock doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for you: Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
RequestPolicy can't do a FRACTION of what hosts can (see "A" below for proof): Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
You appear to be setting the value of my attention at zero. I disagree. So do the advertisers (though that is what they would like to pay, I'm sure).
Nobody owes you building free web sites for you.
Facebook is not the freaking commons, it's Zuck's property, and you are an invited guest. Slashdot is not yours. CmdrTaco built it, and he put ads in his house. If you don't like how he (and now Dice) decorated his house, you are welcome to leave.
When I stay up all night building something nice for you to enjoy, that doesn't make it yours, or make it "the commons". I built it, it's my site. If I want to put blink tags on my site I can. If you don't like blink tags, you're free to stay out of the place I built.
Wow, people will actually pay that much to access websites that don't have ads on them? These are all porn sites, I presume?
I've been on thousands of sites that aren't supported by ads or memberships. Places with millions of visitors a month. They find other ways of subsidizing their bills without selling their souls. Donation drives, crowd funds, T-shirts, using WebRTC to allow visitors donate to a pool of available bandwidth with their own computers just by visiting the site, all sorts of things can offset costs without pulling every annoying advertisement move in the book to desperately attempt to make money from those you're chasing away.
And stop kidding yourself, neither you or any of us are truly getting access to any website for free. We all have an ISP bill to pay each month. If you're on a university network, your Internet connection fees are rolled into your tuition. If you're using some sort of open, public, free Wi-Fi, there are obvious security costs that come with that.
Nobody owes you building free web sites for you.
Wow, you went off raging on a tangent there that wasn't even in the room.
"The Internet" is a commons. Facebook isn't and if it wants money then fine with me. This isn't about any right to advertise or some such bullshit, it's about how advertisement poisons everything. It can be perfectly legal and still toxic.
Public space is also a commons, I used the billboard example intentionally.
But I guess this is all a waste of time as you wanted to misunderstand me.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
> "The Internet" is a commons.
No, it's not. It's a collective term for a bunch of people's individual sites, what used to be called "home pages". I won't tell you what to put on your home page. If you want to make a site where you babble about your collectivist nonsense, go ahead. It's none of my business what you put on your site. Your shite is not a commons. Before you build your site, I'd SUGGEST that you first visit one of the many fine sites where you can learn what "commons" means, but it's really none of my business if you want to skip learning the vocabulary and just post gibberish on your site.
With a standard bsd ip stack & not only browsers (like addons).
APK
P.S.=> "Onwards & Upwards"... apk
Ghostery = ADVERTISER OWNED, & Ghostery doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for you: Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization):
---
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)
Summary:
---
A. ) Hosts do more than AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default) + Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse", or Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS + secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,
C. ) Hosts files yield more speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS), security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish), reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets), & anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).
---
* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) - Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE: I work w/ what you have in kernelmode, via hosts ( A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself )
APK
P.S.=> * "A fool makes things bigger + more complex: It takes a touch of genius & a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Einstein
** "Less is more" = GOOD engineering!
*** "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work FOR the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen "I AM LEGEND"
...apk
You're complaining about ads on "the internet". But "the internet" doesn't mean web pages.
So you're complaining about flyers stuffed into fiber conduits?
You're trying to defend the position that:
"The internet is the place where people put ads are". "The internet is the fiber and routers".
See, you keep contradicting yourself. When that happens, you have several options. A) You can flee to ridiculous ad hominem, B) you can lose your mind struggling to find a way to make all of those contradictions make sense, or C) you be intellectually honest with yourself and recognizing that the position you had been advocating is clearly non-sensical and it's time to step back and see what actually makes sense.
Windows: Fact. You can produce the hosts file there, & run it anywhere (another fact), as long as the BSD IP stack is essentially the same (& usually, like 99.999% of the time it is - another fact).
* FINAL FACT: Hosts do FAR MORE than weak layered over ring 3 browsers addons by far... no questions asked.
(Care to debate that? Feel free too, IF you feel like getting outright clobbered by more facts that is...)
APK
P.S.=> Additionally & Lastly: Hosts are also NOT LIMITED to browsers only, by the way... Hosts again, also DO FAR MORE, better, & aren't KILLABLE BY CLARITYRAY (death of AdBlock right there) either... bonus!
... apk
Absolutely current, from 12 reputable & reliable sources http://start64.com/index.php?o... (which are in the security community itself as my sources no less).
So, thus?
No "real effort" required, just a few minutes of your time (less than say, a disk defrag running, by far).
Bit of advice - don't *try me* on this - too many have, & I've floored EVERY ONE, every time!
It's up to you, but then, the beating will continue on you.
Facts will do the job.
(& the weak b.s. you've told me "you've done"? LMAO... child's play crap... do you REALLY think that impresses ME? I've done WORLDS over that in my time in this field since 1982 pal, on MANY platforms from mainframes, to midranges, into the client-server world of today - want to compare? You'd better have done better than FINALIST @ MS TechEd's hardest category like I have, for starters...)
APK
P.S=> YOUR mistake? NOT READING MY POST FULLY & understanding that what I just said EASILY OVERCOMES YOUR "OBJECTION"... with ease!
... apk
Oh, okay, I understand what you're saying. Ads on web sites are just billboards - you don't have to be on the site to se the ads that are on the site. Just like a billboard, if Dice puts an ad on Slashdot, people on Techcrunch will see it. Obviously, that makes Techdirt readers unhappy, having their neighbor Slashdot putting up all of those billboards.
You're certainly right. It's not like you only see the ads on Slashdot if you come to Slashdot.
You're a nitwit who intentionally misunderstands things in order to troll. Goodbye.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Can't YOU read? I shut you down, point by "so-called 'point'"& 94++% of the world's PC's & Servers ARE Windows (fact).
Thus, I am sure you could find a machine to build a hosts file on eaisly using my app.
After all:
My program creates the best one you could ever have from 12 reputable & reliable sources in the security community, and hosts do a better job and a LOT MORE for added speed, security, reliability, and even anonymity than any single browser addon, by FAR.. period/fact.
APK
P.S.=> You're ridiculously EASY to "shut down" - and and what's the matter? Can't your shitbox run WINE to run my app? Apparently, lol, "WINE" sucks if you can't (imperfect, like most Open "SORES" stuff is)... apk
Obviously not - you fail, period (& you know it). Good luck building a hosts file minus repeats that's totally comprehensive MINUS using an application to do so (with millions of entries that many times are repeated in the security commuities' lists for hosts by many sources)... you'd be introducing NEEDLESS BLOAT, moron (& there's no way you could do it everyday & keep up on it, minus an app as well with that many entries).
"First, your number is false." - by Tom (822) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @08:27AM (#46668739) Homepage
Combined on the PC & the Server? Windows HUGELY RULES... no questions asked & EVERYONE knows that much, for Pete's sake!
(It's common knowledge... of course, a 'blind zealot' who runs "2nd class software" & OS like you can't admit that...)
---
"You don't even know who I am." - by Tom (822) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @08:27AM (#46668739) Homepage
Right - I don't... why? Well, lol - face facts:
Nobody "knows who you are" - that's the case with done zero nobodies like you, lol... always. It's not MY fault you have no talent, creativity, or skills in computing.
APK
P.S.=> BY THE WAY, moron: You're OFF-TOPIC & SO EASY to 'take apart', it's not funny anymore...
"why the fuck are you still arguing about the superiority of host files when that's not under discussion? " - by Tom (822) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @08:27AM (#46668739) Homepage
Ahem: We were discussing RequestPolicy dolt - that's how (you're off-topic on that alone)!
The POINT I made was RequestPolicy IS INFERIOR & can't do as much as hosts can - period (care to debate that? I thought not... lol, again: YOU? Fail...)...... apk"
Completely "blowing you away" on it, point by quoted "so-called 'point'" of yours here on that note, was cake -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Plus, your pal Zontar manages to run Win7 in a VM - why can't you? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
YOU? Fail... completely: No skills... & Zontar the Mindless WHO LISTS YOU AS A "FRIEND" in his profile?
LOL, he isn't skilled in the art & science of computing, but he manages to do that much... why can't you? You're totally unskilled, less than Zontar even (lol).
APK
P.S.=> You fail.... accept it! RequestPolicy IS INFERIOR to hosts &, on many levels... care to debate that?? It IS our subject here, after all (I know you'll "RUN, Forrest: RUN" on that, lol, as always, going off-topic)...
... apk
Better than you getting run over completely by apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
LOL, you "f'd up" again! How? Ok (do you know the format of imported hosts from various sources):
You'd HAVE REPEATS still, noob moron
In fact, YEARS AGO HERE I schooled ANOTHER DOLT just like you, who *tried* to write it using scripts (not really writing anything, just using prebuilt OS commands)
HE, like you, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DATA and blew it on the same note (and others you would too, fool) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You don't account for:
---
1.) Trailing material behind entries (so slashdot.org = slashdot.org + (space) would be an example that yes, happens...)
2.) Capitalized entries (so Slashdot.org OR SLASHDOT.ORG vs. slashdot.org, would fail with YOUR "fine program", lol, that YOU DIDN'T EVEN WRITE!)
& there are more too... you fail.
---
* YOU FAIL AGAIN... as per your usual, vs. myself.
(Like all you no-mind penguin "wannabe computer experts" (lol, not - & the proof is above, and in YOUR STUPID STATEMENT & attempt...)).
Bottom-Line: Earlier in this exchange, I TOLD YOU not to *try me* on this - I always EASILY destroy noobz like you on this topic... everytime.
LMAO - even when YOU tried to change it (see ps below).
APK
P.S.=> Now, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, don't you? Ah, of COURSE you do:
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always is!
(Especially vs. BIGMOUTHS who couldn't write a program themselves, mere "script kiddies" like "Tom" here, lol & who BLOW IT on the data itself, as well as VAINLY *trying* to change the topic - which our topic here was RequestPolicy being inferior to hosts & they clearly are - they don't DO nearly as much for speed, security, reliability, & anonymity - period/fact - along with the FACT you fail, yet again (lmao))... apk
"Second, you don't need an app to build a hosts file, it's plain text after all" - by Tom (822) on Saturday April 05, 2014 @08:27AM (#46668739) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny Tom said THAT, & yet he USED AN APP (one he would have NO CLUE on how to write himself, mind you) and then TOM FUCKED UP LARGE TOO despite his big mouth earlier -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(So much for Tom being a "3 digit registered 'luser'" lol, on /., eh?)
APK
P.S.=> Man - I really *tried* to WARN Tom NOT to *try me* on this here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
HOWEVER? Tom brought it on himself, with his inferior limited skillset and weak mind... it was "Tom's funeral", with him NOW having to (well, you know):
"EAT HIS WORDS" flavored with his foot in his mouth, washed down by "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" vs. "yours truly".
Tom = a bigmouth noob (lol) I shot down easily & as usual? I triumph over WEAK slashdot noobs, using facts... as always! It's just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"... apk
You'd BEST look at some of the RAW DATA my sources in the security community provide for hosts (that my app HAS to filter OR you get FUCKUPS, yes you f'd up big, like yours here stupid -> )
* Oh, the SHAME of it bigmouth... lol, I regularly ANNIHILATE weak noobs like you, on hosts especially!
Man - I even *tried* to warn you NOT to try me on it here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
"BUT NO", your dimwitted brain FAILED AGAIN (like you have now, bigmouth!)
LMAO, above ALL else:
YOU CLEARLY GOT NO CLUE on how hosts data is structured out there (see mvps org's hosts file)
ALSO?
Hehehe, & see yet ANOTHER data screwup you'd have using UNIQ (though you SAID didn't need a program idiot -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... well, YOU USED ONE and, lmao, fucked up there too, like you have now, yet again).
QUESTION:
What do your words taste like, now that you had to "eat them"?
(Flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" & your foot in your mouth on SEVERAL levels here?)
You brought this on yourself, fool...
APK
P.S.=> So much for 'great /. 3 digit dimwits' like YOU tom... hell, ,b>you couldn't even FACE ME on the topic @ hand for Pete's sake - RequestPolicy's HUGE inferiority vs. hosts -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... noob - you FAILED, bigtime, vs. myself... lmao! Keep that mouth shut, noob, or I will SLAM IT SHUT with facts, yet again (which anyone can verify from those links & your statements in them along with your continual technical fails vs. me)... apk
You said you didn't need an app for hosts http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and yet you used one and screwed up http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... and apk ate you alive, while you 'eat your words" flavored (as apk put it) with the bitter taste of SELF defeat washed down with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too, hahahaha.You're a 3 digit noob.
Especially here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... and by the way? You're going to "eat your words" yet again on the note of scanning my app for viruses moron... how?
Write malwarebytes' Steven Burn on that note http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
(He's seen my code, + verified it as sale and he HELPED ME past false positives on JOTTI online scans, where I literally PROVED McAfee/Intel, Symantec/Norton, Comodo, ArcaVir & others WRONG on that shithead!)
So much for "wannabe experts" & especially YOU on that note after the 1st link above where you claimed you didn't need a program to manage hosts yet you used one (uniq) & STILL BLEW IT LARGE on repeats that would STILL allow 1st here -> and then here again -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Face it - You're a chump I schooled with ease... and you KNOW it (hence WHY you shut up after that last link).
Lastly - seems all you have/best you got = trolling b.s. and getting SHOT DOWN by myself, easily... but nothing more.
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Nobody SANE is going to listen to a BLUNDERING DOLT like you after your numerous screwups noted above (despite your '3 digit /. registered 'luser'" status, proven WEAK easily, by "yours truly" on ALL levels)... apk
How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?
* Rarely have I SEEN such a no mind that LIES (like above) & I shot down repeatedly here on:
---
1.) You refusing to debate RequestPolicy's BLATANT inferiority to hosts files (first of all) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
2.) You literally stating you don't need an app to process hosts properly here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(LMAO - yet you used uniq & FAILED THAT TOO dumbass, on repeating bloat data you'd still have with it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
3.) SAYING MY APP is a VIRUS, you piece of shit? Fuck you, & "eat your words", you little lying BITCH -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
4.) Then you BLEW IT YET AGAIN on data in hosts yet again (you'd have repeats and you do NOT understand hosts data at all from its sources in the security community) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
---
* You're a TOTAL piece of shit...
Yes, folks - So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status you have here, eh? You shown you TALK OUT YOUR ASS but I slam your mouth shut, with technical facts, easily!
(So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status, especially in YOU - I show it's not WORTH Shit (espcially lying SHIT like you).
APK
P.S.=> This punk Tom? A real piece of shit... I literally *tried* to warn hm to 'steer clear' of trying me on hosts here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... , but no... the moron "Tom" fried himself - serves him right and ME even moreso - since I can easily DISMANTLE & DESTROY any naysayer trolls on hosts, with facts they cannot dispute or disprove...apk
How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?
* Rarely have I SEEN such a no mind that LIES (like above) & I shot down repeatedly here on:
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1.) You refusing to debate RequestPolicy's BLATANT inferiority to hosts files (first of all) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
2.) You literally stating you don't need an app to process hosts properly here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(LMAO - yet you used uniq & FAILED THAT TOO dumbass, on repeating bloat data you'd still have with it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
3.) SAYING MY APP is a VIRUS, you piece of shit? Fuck you, & "eat your words", you little lying BITCH -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
4.) Then you BLEW IT YET AGAIN on data in hosts yet again (you'd have repeats and you do NOT understand hosts data at all from its sources in the security community) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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* You're a TOTAL piece of shit...
Yes, folks - So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status you have here, eh? You shown you TALK OUT YOUR ASS but I slam your mouth shut, with technical facts, easily!
(So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status, especially in YOU - I show it's not WORTH Shit (espcially lying SHIT like you).
APK
P.S.=> This punk Tom? A real piece of shit... & I was NICE & literally *tried* to warn hm to 'steer clear' of trying me on hosts here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... , but no... the moron "Tom" fried himself - serves him right and ME even moreso - since I can easily DISMANTLE & DESTROY any naysayer trolls on hosts, with facts they cannot dispute or disprove, technically validly...apk
How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?
* Rarely have I SEEN such a no mind that LIES (like above) & I shot down repeatedly here on:
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1.) You refusing to debate RequestPolicy's BLATANT inferiority to hosts files (first of all) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
2.) You literally stating you don't need an app to process hosts properly here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(LMAO - yet you used uniq & FAILED THAT TOO dumbass, on repeating bloat data you'd still have with it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
3.) SAYING MY APP is a VIRUS, you piece of shit? Fuck you, & "eat your words", you little lying BITCH -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
4.) Then you BLEW IT YET AGAIN on data in hosts yet again (you'd have repeats and you do NOT understand hosts data at all from its sources in the security community) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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* You're a TOTAL piece of shit...
Yes, folks - So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status you have here, eh? You shown you TALK OUT YOUR ASS but I slam your mouth shut, with technical facts, easily!
(So much for "3 digit registered 'luser'" status, especially in YOU - I show it's not WORTH Shit (espcially lying SHIT like you).
APK
P.S.=> This punk Tom? A real piece of shit... & I was NICE & literally *tried* to warn hm to 'steer clear' of trying me on hosts here http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... , but no... the moron "Tom" fried himself - serves him right and ME even moreso - since I can easily DISMANTLE & DESTROY any naysayer trolls on hosts, with facts they cannot dispute or disprove, technically validly...apk
Funny Tom stfu disappearing after that post (not). Tom's busy "eating his words". Tom's polite (now that apk humbled him http://slashdot.org/comments.p... after that libel of Tom's for Tom's numerous mistakes). Tom doesn't talk with his mouth full (of his own words he had to eat).
Funny Tom stfu disappearing after that post (not). Tom's busy "eating his words". Tom's polite (now that apk humbled him http://slashdot.org/comments.p... after that libel of Tom's for Tom's numerous mistakes). Tom doesn't talk with his mouth full (of his own words he had to eat).
Tom's busy "eating his words". Tom's polite (since apk humbled him http://slashdot.org/comments.p... after that libel of Tom's for Tom's numerous mistakes). Tom doesn't talk with his mouth full (of his own words he had to eat). He likes to toss names (as he did to the person before him) and libel others when he gets "FruStRaTed" by his OWN stupidity. See link here in this post just above. It got "the great 3-digit /. registered 'luser'" Tom right on the ropes and knocked the fuck out.
How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH you bigmouth libelous Open SORES bullshitter?
How'd "eating your words" taste? http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH you bigmouth libelous Open SORES bullshitter? You're the idiot apk totally destroyed. Oh, the shame of it, lmao.
And libeler: How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH you bigmouth libelous Open SORES bullshitter?
As to the rest of my subject, let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
And libeler: How'd "eating your words" taste? See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... were they flavorful (lol) seasoned with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH you bigmouth libelous Open SORES bullshitter?
As to the rest of my subject, let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> What a piece of shit you are "Tom"... apk
Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
You got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
That got "caught in the act", red-handed: Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> You're a serious piece of shit, "Tom"... apk
Zontar's "touched in the head": schizophrenic multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p... now go take those meds, you whacko!
See you here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... you bigmouthed little nobody...
APK
P.S.=> Have the balls to show up there in the link above to reply to it (& NOT days later like you did, LONG after I left that thread!)
NOW, in the link above, I simply tore you apart in it vs. your "so-called 'points'" that you "amended" bogusly, changing your parameters/constraints there!
(& I am going to rip you a new asshole there YET AGAIN, publicly, for your BIG mouth you little shit - prepare to be utterly humiliated, publicly...)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk