wow, thx for the link about some of the history about Visicalc! Didn't realize Mitch Kapor wrote VisiPlot and Visitrend, then left to found Lotus (of Lotus 123 fame)
It sounds like RMS is butthurt that GCC is losing popularity ?
Choice for the consumer is good.
In an ideal world we would all have the source for every program so we can diagnose it. In an ideal world we would only _need_ 1 compiler instead of everyone wasting man-years re-inventing yet another "wheel".
I deeply admire anyone who can remain committed to taking their ideology to an extreme by living it. However, such ideology is not appreciated, or understand by the majority. There are more "practical" and "pragmatic" sacrifices that sometimes must be made. Not everyone values Freedom the same way.:-( I'm sure Richard understands that some are willing to trade Freedom for Convenience. And his warning will probably be hauntingly true years down the road. Having someone who is able to look at the "bigger" picture must seem like a lonely, and unpopular job, but I am glad we have someone who does that.
However, taking a step back, what are _all_ the reasons that people are switching over to LLVM in the first place?
- Is part of the bigger picture is that GCC doesn't make it easy to embed into an IDE? - If LLVM is "cleaner" under the hood so you don't need to be a compiler expert to modify / fix it, shouldn't that be a wake up call for GCC to clean up the code + architecture ? - If I want to just make a front-end for a new (programming) language why is it easier with LLVM then with GCC ?
What are the fundamental reasons (aside from licensing issues) that Apple switched from GCC to LLVM, and others?
That's why I call it "fazebook". It is another fad that will be just a memory in 20 years, just like MySpace, LiveJournal, etc.
-- Redditard: your typical whiny emo reddit teen who down-votes simple because they can; they lack basic critical thinking and their myopic brain is unable to grok, let alone see, a different perspective (POV) no matter how well your argument is laid out. Shame too, because some of the sub-reddits are actually quite good; the problem is that the vast majority of reddit has "mob rule" group-think mentality. This vulgarity spills over and degrades the rest of the site. Combine the worst of 4chan, dig, and slashdot, and you'd basically have Reddit.
Agreed that/. is better then digg, 4chan, reddit, or any of those other emo-news sites./. could be great if they actually fixed their broken 'ecode' tag, their lame lameness filter, and,b>if the editors actually did their freakin job. When I think how bad/. is I always go visit another site only to find out it is even worse! Such as no user comments, you can only log in with fazebook of twitter, no moderation, group-think, excessive ad hominem, etc.
-- Redditard: your typical whiny emo reddit teen who down-votes simple because they can; they lack basic critical thinking and their myopic brain is unable to grok, let alone see, a different perspective (POV) no matter how well your argument is laid out. Shame too, because some of the sub-reddits are actually quite good; the problem is that the vast majority of reddit has "mob rule" group-think mentality. This vulgarity spills over and degrades the rest of the site. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds#Failures_of_crowd_intelligence
In this case it is your perception is that you didn't get a fair trade. That's why they call it gambling. You are not guaranteed that. In other services, like a hair-cut, a movie, etc, it is a fair trade.
Translation: "We can no longer buy popularity with pop music and no longer manufacture the latest fad of boy-bands or girl-bands. These indie bands can do it cheaper, and that cuts us, the middle man, out of the picture! We don't get our fair share from YouTube, etc."
"Oh Noes! People are using this internet to freely share things and we aren't getting our cut ! Must maintain artificial scarcity of the source else we can't over-charge for numbers! Suckers! Er, mean, 'customers'."
Never mind the fact that the easier it is for people to find music, video, that is akin to free advertising.
Nah, let's shit on our potential customers and treat them like pseudo-thieves because "How dare they share something they value with someone else!"
Fundamental Atheist, noun: Any atheist is who is unable to respect another person because they simply have a different spiritual belief. Insulting others who don't follow "your" path is the height of arrogance.
As a Mystic technicallyboth Theists and Atheists are ignorant (lack knowledge by definition) about God, however it is up to the individual to decide which out of the 4 paths thats "works" for them. If you are unable to see both the strengths and weaknesses of a path, then you just look like a complete fool.
> is going to seem like voodoo no matter how elegantly it is coded.
Mostly true, however, beautiful and simple code makes it a helluva lot easier to understand ! Quicksort isn't _that_ difficult to write from the ground up if you understand the i) the theory, and ii) can apply it.
> Except for the part where education doesn't work with religious^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H fundamentalists. "Thou shalt remain ignorant of anything not printed in this book" is a tenet of most cults.
FTFY.
Cult:, noun, any group of people who believe their way is the only way. Examples: Fundamental Atheists, Fundamental KingJamerVersion'ers, etc.
> the concept of linear independence... It's enough to be able to combine other fundamental units to generate a derived unit of space or time.
You actually bring up a very interesting point ! Our current understanding and Science treats space and time as being independent. In my studies I have come across other systems that propose that space-time is linked. IIRC Dewey Larson's "Reciprocal System" is one such very interesting approach !
> C makes a wonderful unit precisely because it's a universal constant,
Given our current understanding it certainly seems to be, but I would hesitate to call it a universal constant, when we have explored, what, less then 0.00000001% of the visible universe. More data is required before we can come safely come to that conclusion.
You're assumingLogic can be used to understand Emotion Yeah, good luck with that !
Men tend to focus on the goal. Get in, get out, move on. Women tend to focus on the journey. Take their time enjoying the experience.
Why do some women love to shop for hours on end for new shoes*. Who the fuck knows -- but it must feel relaxing / good to them otherwise they wouldn't do it...
* Replace shoes with clothes, etc. Doesn't matter.
Another way to view it:
Men want Space Women need Time
A man needs a man-cave so he can get away** and just putz around with his hobbies. A woman want you to spend time with them doing pointless shit like shopping for hours on end, gardening for hours, etc, or whatever her hobby is. She just wants you to spend time with her. Yes, we know you could optimize shopping via in--n-out-bam in 5 minutes. She doesn't care and thinks you're missing the point (journey).You think she's missing point (goal). Two diametrically opposed unspoken goals which usually ends up in an argument. Expectations are completely out of sync.
** Old engineer joke
An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there.
The engineer said, "I like both."
"Both?" they asked.
Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the lab and get some work done."
I ran into font edges with fringes and halos 2 years back when trying to render an 8-bit luminance font with an arbitrary user specified color. (Blue was the worst offender for fringes.)
I wasn't aware of the Valve's clever SDF solution at the time so I used a different 3-fold solution:
* Generate the texture font atlas offline using custom code + FreeType2 Each font is "natively" exported at various sizes from 8 px up to 72 px.
* Use pre-multiplied alpha blending for rendering instead of the standard alpha blending
gl.enable( gl.BLEND );
gl.blendFunc( gl.ONE, gl.ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA );
* Fix the fragment shader to use pre-multiplied alpha:
We also pass in vertex alpha to allow each rendered font to "fade out to nothing" hence the non obvious "fade = vvTexCoord.z".
Since the designers aren't doing arbitrary rotations nor scaling our solution looks great.
My boss sent me a link to this article just after I saw it so looks like I'm off to research how easy / hard using SDF is into our WebGL font rendering system.:-)
Slashdot Mirror
wow, thx for the link about some of the history about Visicalc! Didn't realize Mitch Kapor wrote VisiPlot and Visitrend, then left to found Lotus (of Lotus 123 fame)
Sorry for bad netiquette. Also interesting ...
* LLVM The Early Days
http://www.nondot.org/sabre/20...
Ah, thanks for the link to Chris! Found these 2 interesting docs.
* LLVM: A Compilation Framework for Lifelong Program Analysis & Transformation
http://llvm.org/pubs/2004-01-3...
* LLVA: A Low-level Virtual Instruction Set Architecture
http://llvm.org/pubs/2003-10-0...
Just wanted to Thanks for the +informative post! Also appreciate the confirmation that LLVM's Intermediate Representation (IR) is cleaner.
Agreed.
It sounds like RMS is butthurt that GCC is losing popularity ?
Choice for the consumer is good.
In an ideal world we would all have the source for every program so we can diagnose it.
In an ideal world we would only _need_ 1 compiler instead of everyone wasting man-years re-inventing yet another "wheel".
I deeply admire anyone who can remain committed to taking their ideology to an extreme by living it. However, such ideology is not appreciated, or understand by the majority. There are more "practical" and "pragmatic" sacrifices that sometimes must be made. Not everyone values Freedom the same way. :-( I'm sure Richard understands that some are willing to trade Freedom for Convenience. And his warning will probably be hauntingly true years down the road. Having someone who is able to look at the "bigger" picture must seem like a lonely, and unpopular job, but I am glad we have someone who does that.
However, taking a step back, what are _all_ the reasons that people are switching over to LLVM in the first place?
- Is part of the bigger picture is that GCC doesn't make it easy to embed into an IDE?
- If LLVM is "cleaner" under the hood so you don't need to be a compiler expert to modify / fix it, shouldn't that be a wake up call for GCC to clean up the code + architecture ?
- If I want to just make a front-end for a new (programming) language why is it easier with LLVM then with GCC ?
What are the fundamental reasons (aside from licensing issues) that Apple switched from GCC to LLVM, and others?
Ah fuck ... that was a great laugh !
After man years of reading /. I gotta give you a 2 thumbs up. Funniest thing I've read in a while. Nice man.
That's why I call it "fazebook". It is another fad that will be just a memory in 20 years, just like MySpace, LiveJournal, etc.
--
Redditard: your typical whiny emo reddit teen who down-votes simple because they can; they lack basic critical thinking and their myopic brain is unable to grok, let alone see, a different perspective (POV) no matter how well your argument is laid out. Shame too, because some of the sub-reddits are actually quite good; the problem is that the vast majority of reddit has "mob rule" group-think mentality. This vulgarity spills over and degrades the rest of the site. Combine the worst of 4chan, dig, and slashdot, and you'd basically have Reddit.
The best kind protection is to to practice abstinence. As in, never use fazebook in the first pace.
Agreed that /. is better then digg, 4chan, reddit, or any of those other emo-news sites. /. could be great if they actually fixed their broken 'ecode' tag, their lame lameness filter, and ,b>if the editors actually did their freakin job. When I think how bad /. is I always go visit another site only to find out it is even worse! Such as no user comments, you can only log in with fazebook of twitter, no moderation, group-think, excessive ad hominem, etc.
--
Redditard: your typical whiny emo reddit teen who down-votes simple because they can; they lack basic critical thinking and their myopic brain is unable to grok, let alone see, a different perspective (POV) no matter how well your argument is laid out. Shame too, because some of the sub-reddits are actually quite good; the problem is that the vast majority of reddit has "mob rule" group-think mentality. This vulgarity spills over and degrades the rest of the site. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds#Failures_of_crowd_intelligence
Do you not understand the difference between Theism and Gnosis ??
Atheism (without belief) < ----- > Theism (with belief)
A-Gnostic (without knowledge)
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Gnostic (with knowledge)
LOL Engrish. Nice one!
Fallacy.
You traded your $100 for an experience.
In this case it is your perception is that you didn't get a fair trade. That's why they call it gambling. You are not guaranteed that. In other services, like a hair-cut, a movie, etc, it is a fair trade.
From the Fine Article ...
Music is becoming a hobby, not a career.
Translation: "We can no longer buy popularity with pop music and no longer manufacture the latest fad of boy-bands or girl-bands. These indie bands can do it cheaper, and that cuts us, the middle man, out of the picture! We don't get our fair share from YouTube, etc."
"Oh Noes! People are using this internet to freely share things and we aren't getting our cut ! Must maintain artificial scarcity of the source else we can't over-charge for numbers! Suckers! Er, mean, 'customers'."
Never mind the fact that the easier it is for people to find music, video, that is akin to free advertising.
Nah, let's shit on our potential customers and treat them like pseudo-thieves because "How dare they share something they value with someone else!"
Only cowards use censorship
Fundamental Atheist, noun: Any atheist is who is unable to respect another person because they simply have a different spiritual belief. Insulting others who don't follow "your" path is the height of arrogance.
As a Mystic technically both Theists and Atheists are ignorant (lack knowledge by definition) about God, however it is up to the individual to decide which out of the 4 paths thats "works" for them. If you are unable to see both the strengths and weaknesses of a path, then you just look like a complete fool.
> is going to seem like voodoo no matter how elegantly it is coded.
Mostly true, however, beautiful and simple code makes it a helluva lot easier to understand ! Quicksort isn't _that_ difficult to write from the ground up if you understand the i) the theory, and ii) can apply it.
* Three Beautiful Quicksorts -- The most beautiful code I never wrote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
From
* Beautiful Code: Leading Programmers Explain How They Think (Theory in Practice (O'Reilly)) [Kindle Edition]
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0026...
> Does this strategy work? Well, the neo-Nazis here are very marginalized.
Agreed. Only cowards censor.
> Except for the part where education doesn't work with religious^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H fundamentalists. "Thou shalt remain ignorant of anything not printed in this book" is a tenet of most cults.
FTFY.
Cult:, noun, any group of people who believe their way is the only way.
Examples: Fundamental Atheists, Fundamental KingJamerVersion'ers, etc.
Please mod parent up.
Not any worse then some baby crying the whole time and won't STFU when you're trying to sleep / read / meditate / etc.
> Every programming language is rubbish
After you have some experience you realize
* Every programming language sucks
* Every editor sucks.
Some just suck less. The more experienced know better then to whine about it; dumb kids flame everybody who doesn't agree to their myopic view.
> the concept of linear independence. .. It's enough to be able to combine other fundamental units to generate a derived unit of space or time.
You actually bring up a very interesting point ! Our current understanding and Science treats space and time as being independent. In my studies I have come across other systems that propose that space-time is linked. IIRC Dewey Larson's "Reciprocal System" is one such very interesting approach !
* http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/dbl/
> C makes a wonderful unit precisely because it's a universal constant,
Given our current understanding it certainly seems to be, but I would hesitate to call it a universal constant, when we have explored, what, less then 0.00000001% of the visible universe. More data is required before we can come safely come to that conclusion.
Welcome!
IIRC saw that site linked in /. or reddit only about a month or so ago -- talk about the treasure trove of bulbs!
Hopefully you can let us know which bulb(s) you order -- looks like a few of us are curious about the pros/cons of the various lights.
Agreed 100%.
Yeah, it is pathetic how Phoronix will link "news" to an "earlier" article to itself instead of the actually dam off-site source.
You're assuming Logic can be used to understand Emotion Yeah, good luck with that !
Men tend to focus on the goal. Get in, get out, move on.
Women tend to focus on the journey. Take their time enjoying the experience.
Why do some women love to shop for hours on end for new shoes*. Who the fuck knows -- but it must feel relaxing / good to them otherwise they wouldn't do it ...
* Replace shoes with clothes, etc. Doesn't matter.
Another way to view it:
Men want Space
Women need Time
A man needs a man-cave so he can get away** and just putz around with his hobbies.
A woman want you to spend time with them doing pointless shit like shopping for hours on end, gardening for hours, etc, or whatever her hobby is. She just wants you to spend time with her. Yes, we know you could optimize shopping via in--n-out-bam in 5 minutes. She doesn't care and thinks you're missing the point (journey). You think she's missing point (goal). Two diametrically opposed unspoken goals which usually ends up in an argument. Expectations are completely out of sync.
** Old engineer joke
An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there.
The engineer said, "I like both."
"Both?" they asked.
Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the lab and get some work done."
I ran into font edges with fringes and halos 2 years back when trying to render an 8-bit luminance font with an arbitrary user specified color. (Blue was the worst offender for fringes.)
I wasn't aware of the Valve's clever SDF solution at the time so I used a different 3-fold solution:
* Generate the texture font atlas offline using custom code + FreeType2
Each font is "natively" exported at various sizes from 8 px up to 72 px.
* Use pre-multiplied alpha blending for rendering instead of the standard alpha blending
gl.enable( gl.BLEND );
gl.blendFunc( gl.ONE, gl.ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA );
* Fix the fragment shader to use pre-multiplied alpha:
We also pass in vertex alpha to allow each rendered font to "fade out to nothing" hence the non obvious "fade = vvTexCoord.z".
Since the designers aren't doing arbitrary rotations nor scaling our solution looks great.
My boss sent me a link to this article just after I saw it so looks like I'm off to research how easy / hard using SDF is into our WebGL font rendering system. :-)