And here in Sweden were 25 000+ hectares = 250+ km^2 burned the estimates earlier were that 600 million SEK of forest had burned. I don't know what that ended up being in the end, say 800 or 900. Yeah. spending 150 million SEK or so to put it out by bombing all of it (+ more for running the planes) may not be the best method. I don't know what it cost now with help from about. The stuff from abroad 20 million? 30? 100? I don't know! The capacity we already had have a cost too even though it's a cost we always have. No idea what it cost to put them down in total. Cheaper than letting twice or three times as much burn down at least =P
The larger two of the Swedish fires were around 9000 hectares or 90 km^2 = 90 000 000 m^2 100*100*pi = 31 416 m^2
Someone else mentioned you didn't had to bomb the whole area but if you did and got perfect coverage with circles which you won't then that would be upwards 3 000 bombs.
The bombs in the Swedish case was mark 82 bombs which according to Wikipedia in 2001 cost $2 000 each.
This is nowhere close to accurate but 3 000 bombs * 2 000 each = 6 million.
4 000 acres = 16.2 km^2 50 000 acres = 202 km^2 or ~twice that of one of these fires in Sweden so more like 12 million but very far from half a billion.
Well. They weren't investors of Tesla. You invest on something expecting a return. Since shorting a stock mean to have a sold position of it they weren't Tesla investors. They were speculators. Speculating in a falling price. And they may be wrong. Which happens .
I had to make this post unnecessary complicated because while not investors in Tesla they may be seen as investors in a product which give you a return if Tesla performs badly.
As for whatever he did would be illegal. He's warning ahead it seem. I don't know but I kinda would assume not. But yeah he got them good.
It's all about the socialist rats wanting to hush the opposition. Since there's threats of jail, losing your job and so on they want to hush people with consequences.
Anonymity doesn't mean what's said carries no value and shouldn't be listened too.
I guess by that logic leaked videos of US helicopters shooting journalists in Iraq carries no value either because the sender was anonymous? If the sender was. I don't know. The purpose of Wikileaks is of course to enable to provide the information anonymously at-least.
"Criminals" and "Spies" is the rest I guess. Here in Sweden there's seriously been discussions about whatever one should make it illegal to have said things which would portray Sweden in a bad light. For real. That's how far away from sanity and democracy we are at the moment.
"You talk about criminality in the suburbs! You traitor! Jail for you!" Just because something is a crime doesn't make it wrong. As far as my moral goes preventing someone to live like they want is wrong.
I don't know where you got the "but do they have to try again anonymously? Doing so is kind of defeatist to their whole mission" from. That's nothing I've said at-least.
However as soon as anonymousness die so do freedom of speech and free expression of opinions and sharing of information and with that any actual way to claim of being a democracy or open or free society.
Without anonymity no freedom of speech and without freedom of speech no democracy.
It doesn't really matter that some people are fine with it. They are limiting the freedom of others if that have any consequence. In general the only people who are fine with it are those who don't feel limited by it because it doesn't happen to interfere with their ideas.
Ah, so you confirm that the problem isn't immigrants setting fire to the woods, it's that people start fires despite the drought cause by Global Warming. Thank you.
No I'm not.
I'm saying plenty of fires has been voluntarily made by people. As long as those people aren't caught we don't know whom each individual is. But as we know we import our enemies by the tens of thousands and that they are fine stealing our stuff, robbing our elders, raping the women, murdering people, setting cars, schools on fire, attacking our emergency services, setting immigration homes on fire and so on it's safe to assume it's our enemy which had found yet another way of attacking us. I know you prefer ignorance and denial over common sense and acceptance of the world as it is. But that doesn't change the fact that they have shown a lot of times how they are totally fine attacking both us and our property. https://www.thedailybeast.com/... It's close to risk free to set Sweden on fire. Here were I live the closest public grill had at first one sign warning about not using it in Arabic but someone removed that one so it got another one and then a second one of which one has been destroyed again. I haven't seen anyone use that grill since they popped up then again I haven't been watching. But just ~20 meters from there there's a black zone in the forest along the walking past where part of it has burned and 1-2 months ago there was another black spot around the same walking past in the same forest but at another place maybe 300 meters or so from here. Cars has burned at my closest parking lot multiple time, 1-2 weeks ago one person was driving a car violently into a beam holding up the car parking roof multiple times and threatened a woman with a knife to her throat, the centrum building was set on fire and the store damaged a lot, the community youth center they tried to lit on fire, the care center has burning stuff thrown inside too, I've walked past the school as a moped was burning there, the sort-your-trash-building on the parking lot has been set on fire, my bike was stolen, before that it had the front wheel stolen, my cellar storage has been broken into at-least 6 times in a bit over 1 year, at a party near by a person had his hand chopped off by a sword, supposedly my neighbor drugged and had sex with young girls, I know of just one murder here for the time I've lived here but that doesn't mean there has only been one. That one I wouldn't know about unless it happened just outside the court my friend lived at and he heard the shot.
Maybe ignorance feel like bliss for you but it's stupid and dangerous.
Taxes doesn't pay salaries. So how do that make sense?
We don't have a minimum wage in Sweden or Norway. We do have high taxes and welfare and public paid education though. Why should the state remove jobs by setting a minimum wage?
That is irrelevant for any point I make though. I don't say Africans are the leading cause of climate change and that white people don't cause any part of it. To claim so would be a false claim and it would be trying to point out some flaw in what I've said even though I've never said it.
You're free to attack what I say but if you do do it with actual valid points rather than just using lies and ad hominem. Tell were I'm wrong. Which of course would be hard since I'm right and that's kinda all that matter.
Yeah, casually blaming climate change on Africans and Muslims is totally not what a xenophobe would ever do.
That I haven't done either.
Only straw-men and ad hominem.
Feel free to at any time have an actual valid point.
They aren't welcome here and that may be xenophobic of me and that I have no problem with. I've never claimed they are the leading cause of climate change or worse than us in that regard though. They rape more. They cost more. They commit more heavy crimes. They murder more. They likely set our forests on fire and so on. But unlikely the sub-saharan Africans cause more climate change than Swedes. The Muslims of the middle-east maybe due to better access to oil but maybe not them either. Regardless it's never a claim I've made.
They are unwanted and people cause fires in Sweden and the leading cause of more fires aren't climate change but human behavior.
Even if you choose the word arsehole rather than xenophobic that still doesn't change a single thing.
The only fair counter would be to tell me that I'm wrong and do that based on evidence not just a wish and feelings and values you're holding.
Young children was forced into the water by bad behaving upper teens youths at a bath, a police car had its windows smashed after the police had talked to some people grilling and a police was attacked when telling some youths to pick up their things. In none of those cases the police and the main-stream media outlet mentioned the ethnicity of the people doing those things but that doesn't mean they didn't had an immigrant background and anyone who knows anything about reality and Sweden can simply assume with great accuracy that they had an immigrant background. It's not typical Swedish behavior and when it happen it's immigrant behavior. Just because you don't give all the true details about something doesn't make it another thing / not happening. Sure with the truth hidden you can't say for sure but.. that's only because the truth is hidden and not because it's not immigrants. Also when it finally is a white murderer for instance suddenly posting images is just alright because finally you've got a counter-store against the "racist" ideas that only immigrants cause trouble so when there is no image and nothing mentioned it's pretty safe to assume the rest.
Sweden is a dishonest non-democracy ran by traitors and with an ungoing genocide carried out by the ruling elite. That make us a bit less informed and media and politicians and people dishonest/wrong/the truth hidden but.. Yeah. One gotta do the best out of it.
You can set grass and trees on fire any summer I'd say.
Sure if the rain is falling right then it will be harder but... we haven't had such summers.
The problem is people are starting fires regardless. That's what make up the largest of the difference.
As for the size of it the number of fires, that Sweden only had two military helicopters available for it and no coast rescue helicopters with hooks and no planes for it and too few hoses and that it's dry combined make it worse. Of course.
But we know CO2 and other things are green-houses gases and we know that more of those should heat the world up and we know we let a lot more of them into the atmosphere and we know temperatures has been rising.
So as far as science go we've got the theory, we've got the variables and we've got the result and so far it's performing in line with the theory.
Ahhh old school xenophobia, where everything's to blame on immigrants *chef kiss*.
Well, you're part of the idiots who for decades has been shouting "racism!", "xenophobia!", "Islamophobia", "antisemitism!", "bigotry!", "hate-speech!" and so on like if that mattered a single fuck.
It doesn't.
The truth is lots of places are set on fire whatever forests, cars, immigrants centers, people are shot, people are raped, people are molested, and so on. And it's all because of the massive invasion of shit-immigrants.
Call it whatever you want but it doesn't change anything. They are doing it. Now if you could show how they are behaving better than Swedes then you may actually have an argument but that isn't something you'll never be able to do so... keep on showing "xenophobia!" I guess.
Where we have the largest fire in Sweden three fires started at ~the same time.
In Arboga they think 15 fires was started by someone within two days.
In Åhus a bunch of fires seem to be started by someone in a short time too.
Here in the closest forest where I live in Örebro there's two black patches along the walking path likely because someone started a fire.
And so on.
It's claimed 30-40% of the difference is because of the weather which leave 60-70% to human behavior but this year a lot is burning.
But we also got a lot of rapes and assaults and shootings the previous years and car fires and such and for instance with group rapes 90+% of those people have immigrant background.
So.. the issue isn't so much climate change as it's the invasion by non-Swedes too here and politicians prioritizing the genocide of the Swedish people and the Muslim and African invasion rather than things like military, fire service, police, health-care, elder card and so on.
Yeah, dry things burn better but in almost all the cases it's humans which start the fire one way or the other and right now a lot of people are starting fires voluntarily in Sweden.
It's more of an immigration problem than a climate problem. Of course the few immigrants will make a larger environmental footprint too as their economical status get upgraded and they get to live here instead rather than where they are from.
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And here in Sweden were 25 000+ hectares = 250+ km^2 burned the estimates earlier were that 600 million SEK of forest had burned. I don't know what that ended up being in the end, say 800 or 900. Yeah. spending 150 million SEK or so to put it out by bombing all of it (+ more for running the planes) may not be the best method. I don't know what it cost now with help from about. The stuff from abroad 20 million? 30? 100? I don't know! The capacity we already had have a cost too even though it's a cost we always have. No idea what it cost to put them down in total. Cheaper than letting twice or three times as much burn down at least =P
The larger two of the Swedish fires were around 9000 hectares or 90 km^2 = 90 000 000 m^2
100*100*pi = 31 416 m^2
Someone else mentioned you didn't had to bomb the whole area but if you did and got perfect coverage with circles which you won't then that would be upwards 3 000 bombs.
The bombs in the Swedish case was mark 82 bombs which according to Wikipedia in 2001 cost $2 000 each.
This is nowhere close to accurate but 3 000 bombs * 2 000 each = 6 million.
4 000 acres = 16.2 km^2
50 000 acres = 202 km^2 or ~twice that of one of these fires in Sweden so more like 12 million but very far from half a billion.
Then just declare the entire existing fire area a bombing range - problem solved!
It could be used in the middle-east and Africa.
I can't wait until we do this on burning suburbs too.
Or better yet the parl...
Well. They weren't investors of Tesla.
You invest on something expecting a return. Since shorting a stock mean to have a sold position of it they weren't Tesla investors.
They were speculators. Speculating in a falling price. And they may be wrong. Which happens .
I had to make this post unnecessary complicated because while not investors in Tesla they may be seen as investors in a product which give you a return if Tesla performs badly.
As for whatever he did would be illegal. He's warning ahead it seem. I don't know but I kinda would assume not. But yeah he got them good.
Gas the left;
It won't solve the problem but it's a start.
Nah, I just have two thoughts about it and neither are that one.
BS.
It's all about the socialist rats wanting to hush the opposition.
Since there's threats of jail, losing your job and so on they want to hush people with consequences.
Anonymity doesn't mean what's said carries no value and shouldn't be listened too.
I guess by that logic leaked videos of US helicopters shooting journalists in Iraq carries no value either because the sender was anonymous? If the sender was. I don't know. The purpose of Wikileaks is of course to enable to provide the information anonymously at-least.
"Criminals" and "Spies" is the rest I guess. Here in Sweden there's seriously been discussions about whatever one should make it illegal to have said things which would portray Sweden in a bad light. For real. That's how far away from sanity and democracy we are at the moment.
"You talk about criminality in the suburbs! You traitor! Jail for you!" Just because something is a crime doesn't make it wrong. As far as my moral goes preventing someone to live like they want is wrong.
I don't know where you got the "but do they have to try again anonymously? Doing so is kind of defeatist to their whole mission" from. That's nothing I've said at-least.
However as soon as anonymousness die so do freedom of speech and free expression of opinions and sharing of information and with that any actual way to claim of being a democracy or open or free society.
I'm not talking politics when I do.
Tracking could be outlawed. Or you could at least try to avoid it.
A law of identifying yourself online + broken cryptos not so much.
I'm not talking politics when I pay my bills.
Retards.
Without anonymity no freedom of speech and without freedom of speech no democracy.
It doesn't really matter that some people are fine with it. They are limiting the freedom of others if that have any consequence. In general the only people who are fine with it are those who don't feel limited by it because it doesn't happen to interfere with their ideas.
Just a you socialists want things.
Buy one just have to find some way to enforce freedom.
By digging down socialists & rulers if necessary.
The ruling elite who want to destroy all opposition is everywhere.
They are the fascists.
Well your body actively try to remove it from itself so ... I assume CO2 actually is poison for you.
Anyway the claim was that it is a green-house gas.
Ah, so you confirm that the problem isn't immigrants setting fire to the woods, it's that people start fires despite the drought cause by Global Warming. Thank you.
No I'm not.
I'm saying plenty of fires has been voluntarily made by people. As long as those people aren't caught we don't know whom each individual is. But as we know we import our enemies by the tens of thousands and that they are fine stealing our stuff, robbing our elders, raping the women, murdering people, setting cars, schools on fire, attacking our emergency services, setting immigration homes on fire and so on it's safe to assume it's our enemy which had found yet another way of attacking us.
I know you prefer ignorance and denial over common sense and acceptance of the world as it is. But that doesn't change the fact that they have shown a lot of times how they are totally fine attacking both us and our property.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/...
It's close to risk free to set Sweden on fire.
Here were I live the closest public grill had at first one sign warning about not using it in Arabic but someone removed that one so it got another one and then a second one of which one has been destroyed again. I haven't seen anyone use that grill since they popped up then again I haven't been watching. But just ~20 meters from there there's a black zone in the forest along the walking past where part of it has burned and 1-2 months ago there was another black spot around the same walking past in the same forest but at another place maybe 300 meters or so from here.
Cars has burned at my closest parking lot multiple time, 1-2 weeks ago one person was driving a car violently into a beam holding up the car parking roof multiple times and threatened a woman with a knife to her throat, the centrum building was set on fire and the store damaged a lot, the community youth center they tried to lit on fire, the care center has burning stuff thrown inside too, I've walked past the school as a moped was burning there, the sort-your-trash-building on the parking lot has been set on fire, my bike was stolen, before that it had the front wheel stolen, my cellar storage has been broken into at-least 6 times in a bit over 1 year, at a party near by a person had his hand chopped off by a sword, supposedly my neighbor drugged and had sex with young girls, I know of just one murder here for the time I've lived here but that doesn't mean there has only been one. That one I wouldn't know about unless it happened just outside the court my friend lived at and he heard the shot.
Maybe ignorance feel like bliss for you but it's stupid and dangerous.
The SEK have tanked so that may have to do with it.
Taxes doesn't pay salaries. So how do that make sense?
We don't have a minimum wage in Sweden or Norway.
We do have high taxes and welfare and public paid education though.
Why should the state remove jobs by setting a minimum wage?
I'm not arguing I'm xenophobic.
I am.
That is irrelevant for any point I make though.
I don't say Africans are the leading cause of climate change and that white people don't cause any part of it. To claim so would be a false claim and it would be trying to point out some flaw in what I've said even though I've never said it.
You're free to attack what I say but if you do do it with actual valid points rather than just using lies and ad hominem.
Tell were I'm wrong. Which of course would be hard since I'm right and that's kinda all that matter.
Yeah, casually blaming climate change on Africans and Muslims is totally not what a xenophobe would ever do.
That I haven't done either.
Only straw-men and ad hominem.
Feel free to at any time have an actual valid point.
They aren't welcome here and that may be xenophobic of me and that I have no problem with. I've never claimed they are the leading cause of climate change or worse than us in that regard though. They rape more. They cost more. They commit more heavy crimes. They murder more. They likely set our forests on fire and so on. But unlikely the sub-saharan Africans cause more climate change than Swedes. The Muslims of the middle-east maybe due to better access to oil but maybe not them either. Regardless it's never a claim I've made.
They are unwanted and people cause fires in Sweden and the leading cause of more fires aren't climate change but human behavior.
Truth-tellers = arseholes?
Even if you choose the word arsehole rather than xenophobic that still doesn't change a single thing.
The only fair counter would be to tell me that I'm wrong and do that based on evidence not just a wish and feelings and values you're holding.
Young children was forced into the water by bad behaving upper teens youths at a bath, a police car had its windows smashed after the police had talked to some people grilling and a police was attacked when telling some youths to pick up their things. .. that's only because the truth is hidden and not because it's not immigrants.
In none of those cases the police and the main-stream media outlet mentioned the ethnicity of the people doing those things but that doesn't mean they didn't had an immigrant background and anyone who knows anything about reality and Sweden can simply assume with great accuracy that they had an immigrant background. It's not typical Swedish behavior and when it happen it's immigrant behavior. Just because you don't give all the true details about something doesn't make it another thing / not happening. Sure with the truth hidden you can't say for sure but
Also when it finally is a white murderer for instance suddenly posting images is just alright because finally you've got a counter-store against the "racist" ideas that only immigrants cause trouble so when there is no image and nothing mentioned it's pretty safe to assume the rest.
Sweden is a dishonest non-democracy ran by traitors and with an ungoing genocide carried out by the ruling elite. That make us a bit less informed and media and politicians and people dishonest/wrong/the truth hidden but .. Yeah. One gotta do the best out of it.
You can set grass and trees on fire any summer I'd say.
Sure if the rain is falling right then it will be harder but ... we haven't had such summers.
The problem is people are starting fires regardless. That's what make up the largest of the difference.
As for the size of it the number of fires, that Sweden only had two military helicopters available for it and no coast rescue helicopters with hooks and no planes for it and too few hoses and that it's dry combined make it worse. Of course.
But we know CO2 and other things are green-houses gases and we know that more of those should heat the world up and we know we let a lot more of them into the atmosphere and we know temperatures has been rising.
So as far as science go we've got the theory, we've got the variables and we've got the result and so far it's performing in line with the theory.
Ahhh old school xenophobia, where everything's to blame on immigrants *chef kiss*.
Well, you're part of the idiots who for decades has been shouting "racism!", "xenophobia!", "Islamophobia", "antisemitism!", "bigotry!", "hate-speech!" and so on like if that mattered a single fuck.
It doesn't.
The truth is lots of places are set on fire whatever forests, cars, immigrants centers, people are shot, people are raped, people are molested, and so on. And it's all because of the massive invasion of shit-immigrants.
Call it whatever you want but it doesn't change anything. They are doing it. Now if you could show how they are behaving better than Swedes then you may actually have an argument but that isn't something you'll never be able to do so ... keep on showing "xenophobia!" I guess.
Ad hominem isn't a valid counter argument though.
Where we have the largest fire in Sweden three fires started at ~the same time.
In Arboga they think 15 fires was started by someone within two days.
In Åhus a bunch of fires seem to be started by someone in a short time too.
Here in the closest forest where I live in Örebro there's two black patches along the walking path likely because someone started a fire.
And so on.
It's claimed 30-40% of the difference is because of the weather which leave 60-70% to human behavior but this year a lot is burning.
But we also got a lot of rapes and assaults and shootings the previous years and car fires and such and for instance with group rapes 90+% of those people have immigrant background.
So.. the issue isn't so much climate change as it's the invasion by non-Swedes too here and politicians prioritizing the genocide of the Swedish people and the Muslim and African invasion rather than things like military, fire service, police, health-care, elder card and so on.
Yeah, dry things burn better but in almost all the cases it's humans which start the fire one way or the other and right now a lot of people are starting fires voluntarily in Sweden.
It's more of an immigration problem than a climate problem. Of course the few immigrants will make a larger environmental footprint too as their economical status get upgraded and they get to live here instead rather than where they are from.
There was ARM cpus vulnerable for Spectre though.
But wasn't FX chips free from it?
Simple (some would had said stupid I guess) enough to not be vulnerable.