They already most likely transfer technology, brands, patents, profit, in between each-others. And just because Microsoft "wins" by for instance getting paid more in license royalty than they pay in cash (if they even pay anything at all...) doesn't mean Nokia must have to lose. If Nokia for instance sell more expensive phones with better margins and in higher numbers, or save more on R&D than WP cost, and so on, they may also gain from it.
I read some article about it but I don't know where so I can't quote or link it but I think it went something like this (some parts may be wrong or mixed up or whatever, but you still get the general idea.)
* Apple accepts a much smaller margin on the iPad than on the rest of their products (I think their estimate was a bit over 20%.) * Apple bought 15% (or something such) of all flash memory around the world and hence was believed to be able to get 10% off from the price. * Apple was a huge player in the touchscreen displays and I think they contracted them in advance and maybe paid upfront / in advance to which could give them lower price and make them sure they would actually get them compared to the general scarce in the area. * And finally Apple got their own chip plants (don't they? Or just design and let someone else build them?) and build their own ARM-based processors.
Sure Samsung does flash memory and lcd screens by themselves so they can most likely get a better price than many others to. But it seems like Apple is still able to give them a run for their money. (Guess "built in-house" doesn't necessarily mean "we don't need to make a profit on this part.")
Fuck. Fucking piece of shit Firefox removed lots of the words typed as usual. It (3.x) does it all the freaking time (an OS X (10.4) issue?) during load.
Should had read "Or rather, pocket computer which can be turned into a desktop computer with an external monitor, USB hub and accessories."
Worst. Browser. Ever. (Or well, Safari 2 is worse, but Firefox suck.)
I hate shitty software. Whose brilliant idea was it to let all the tabs run all the freaking time and compete against the user interface and how the fuck can you miss keyboard and/or mouse input anyway? Process later sure. Just ignore it? What?
* HDMI * USB Mass Storage * USB On The Go * MicroSD card slot
So yeah, desktop computer in your pocket.. Or rather, pocket computer which accessories.
But it runs Symbian^3 and not MeeGo.. And yeah, not very likely to be able to run MeeGo on such a device real soon now (maybe before years end in a single model..)
Well done Nokia!
At least they could had released MeeGo Handset for the C6 + C7 + N8 + E7 and N900 =P
(All of them would also let you code in native code (well, Android I have no idea, but probably doable) or JAVA/Dalvik, POSIX compliance, use QT, use OpenGL ES,...
Be somewhat compatible with the rest of the platforms.. Now it will be.NET/Silverlight and Direct X.. Work for new applications but maybe not the most popular for people who want to spread their shit^H^H^H^Happs on all platforms with the least amount of work.
Also I wonder what is really the best for gaming? Since that could possibly had been the thing which would had made people buy a Windows Phone.
Four options, all would probably had been better than Windows Phone 7:
1) Keep on developing MeeGo if they think it's better than Android. Throw in Alien Dalvik, get access to the "eco-system" of Android. 2) Probably better in the current market: Switch to Android base, slap QT on it, port whatever MeeGo applications they had already made over to Android. Sell. Would work both with Android applications for everyone who want to and not abandon QT or QT developers.
3) Buy or co-develop a new OS with RIMM. I've read they asked them but RIMM wasn't interested, or something such. QNX-based OS with QT and Alien Dalvik?
Yeah. Because so much more doesn't work in FreeBSD than whatever Linuxdistribution (say Arch just for fun..) just because there's only one Linux kernel (as if there was plenty of FreeBSD ones..)
I know I can't but whatever. No-one seem to care. Ruled by the American government, surveillance like Stazi, messed up elections, trying to work against democracy (in the case of Sverigedemokraterna), and then there was the Muslims and fucking around in Afghanistan and what not. Neutral. Yeah right.
Thanks US and thanks retarded leaders of this shit-hole.
At least the people in north Africa fight for their freedom.
I don't know what high-end Android phones are the better ones. But yeah, 4.4x more than the X8 (320x640 I think.), C7 may be somewhat similar to N8 in capabilities but cost less, 2.65x more for the iPhone.
Meanwhile in iOS camp you're up there with your fourth super-expensive phone.
Only the Nexuses really do it right in Android camp to, even though HTC should been shown some appreciation, so here goes: Well done HTC! You're the least suckiest Android phone manufacturer!
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Can't anyone develop it? Who got the brand? Digia?
As said I'm not sure what would have to be included to call it "sell" but whatever.
And no, not that it matter much for their ability to use it.
They already most likely transfer technology, brands, patents, profit, in between each-others. And just because Microsoft "wins" by for instance getting paid more in license royalty than they pay in cash (if they even pay anything at all...) doesn't mean Nokia must have to lose. If Nokia for instance sell more expensive phones with better margins and in higher numbers, or save more on R&D than WP cost, and so on, they may also gain from it.
Or (earlier) you could had opted for QT on Symbian^3, (MeeGo) and now/sooner or later on Android (but not by default.)
Meanwhile Nokia effectively (?) sell QT (to Digia):
http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/03/07/nokia-to-sell-qt-commercial-licensing-and-services-to-digia
I don't know what would be needed to be sold to call it a "sell" but whatever.
Also that doesn't necessary mean they won't use it themselves but whatever.
Tiles with up-to-date useful information and shortcuts to data vs iPhone whole-bunch-of-icons?
Yeah. I can see how that was a bad idea?! ..
Also Symbian^3 widgets get their small spots to.
I read some article about it but I don't know where so I can't quote or link it but I think it went something like this (some parts may be wrong or mixed up or whatever, but you still get the general idea.)
* Apple accepts a much smaller margin on the iPad than on the rest of their products (I think their estimate was a bit over 20%.)
* Apple bought 15% (or something such) of all flash memory around the world and hence was believed to be able to get 10% off from the price.
* Apple was a huge player in the touchscreen displays and I think they contracted them in advance and maybe paid upfront / in advance to which could give them lower price and make them sure they would actually get them compared to the general scarce in the area.
* And finally Apple got their own chip plants (don't they? Or just design and let someone else build them?) and build their own ARM-based processors.
Sure Samsung does flash memory and lcd screens by themselves so they can most likely get a better price than many others to. But it seems like Apple is still able to give them a run for their money. (Guess "built in-house" doesn't necessarily mean "we don't need to make a profit on this part.")
Now the question is just where I get that spare person who can sit around while I'm gone.
Yeah. Whole house insulation of carbon nano tubes. Great idea.
Personally I'd rather live in a house without thank you. Straw insulation anyone? =P
(No I'm not allergic.)
I would had wanted to argue "what is there to discuss?", but nevermind.
Is apple _turning_ into the next evil empire?
No, they already are.
Now what?
Now you make me afraid :D
Why do you think so thanks to loss of typed keys?
Wouldn't surprise me considering 10.4.6 hack ..
Or something specific to Firefox? Just an idea, being evil or any suggestions? :D
Fuck. Fucking piece of shit Firefox removed lots of the words typed as usual. It (3.x) does it all the freaking time (an OS X (10.4) issue?) during load.
Should had read "Or rather, pocket computer which can be turned into a desktop computer with an external monitor, USB hub and accessories."
Worst. Browser. Ever. (Or well, Safari 2 is worse, but Firefox suck.)
I hate shitty software. Whose brilliant idea was it to let all the tabs run all the freaking time and compete against the user interface and how the fuck can you miss keyboard and/or mouse input anyway? Process later sure. Just ignore it? What?
The Nokia N8 got:
* HDMI
* USB Mass Storage
* USB On The Go
* MicroSD card slot
So yeah, desktop computer in your pocket.. Or rather, pocket computer which accessories.
But it runs Symbian^3 and not MeeGo .. ..)
And yeah, not very likely to be able to run MeeGo on such a device real soon now (maybe before years end in a single model
Well done Nokia!
At least they could had released MeeGo Handset for the C6 + C7 + N8 + E7 and N900 =P
But it _was_ an option.
The E7 keyboard is slick.
http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nokia-e7-fonearena.jpg
Just fine. He bought the stocks after the strategy day and the markets response, and he didn't bought too many so there's still plenty of opportunity.
(All of them would also let you code in native code (well, Android I have no idea, but probably doable) or JAVA/Dalvik, POSIX compliance, use QT, use OpenGL ES, ...
Be somewhat compatible with the rest of the platforms.. Now it will be .NET/Silverlight and Direct X .. Work for new applications but maybe not the most popular for people who want to spread their shit^H^H^H^Happs on all platforms with the least amount of work.
Also I wonder what is really the best for gaming? Since that could possibly had been the thing which would had made people buy a Windows Phone.
Four options, all would probably had been better than Windows Phone 7:
1) Keep on developing MeeGo if they think it's better than Android. Throw in Alien Dalvik, get access to the "eco-system" of Android.
2) Probably better in the current market: Switch to Android base, slap QT on it, port whatever MeeGo applications they had already made over to Android. Sell. Would work both with Android applications for everyone who want to and not abandon QT or QT developers.
3) Buy or co-develop a new OS with RIMM. I've read they asked them but RIMM wasn't interested, or something such. QNX-based OS with QT and Alien Dalvik?
4) Buy Palm and use WebOS as base.
Nokia had early touchscreen, 3D interface, application store, ... ideas.
And the uhm, "Internet appliances" such as N770, N800, N810.
It was just that they never actually implemented them. And never made the later ones actual PHONES.
Yeah. Because so much more doesn't work in FreeBSD than whatever Linuxdistribution (say Arch just for fun ..) just because there's only one Linux kernel (as if there was plenty of FreeBSD ones ..)
Fail?
I don't know if that was sarcasm or not.
I think it's totally ok he get tried in the case.
But obviously only for that, not "removed" because he's inconvenient or something such. But hopefully I can trust my government. As said.
And that I can trust my government.
I know I can't but whatever. No-one seem to care. Ruled by the American government, surveillance like Stazi, messed up elections, trying to work against democracy (in the case of Sverigedemokraterna), and then there was the Muslims and fucking around in Afghanistan and what not. Neutral. Yeah right.
Thanks US and thanks retarded leaders of this shit-hole.
At least the people in north Africa fight for their freedom.
They cost more earlier, and I'm not in the US so I can buy a phone without having fees added to my purchase.
iPhone 4: 7390 kr
(32GB iPhone 3Gs): 5490 kr
Desire HD: 4879 kr
Nokia C7: 2789 kr
S-E X8: 1685 kr
I don't know what high-end Android phones are the better ones. But yeah, 4.4x more than the X8 (320x640 I think.), C7 may be somewhat similar to N8 in capabilities but cost less, 2.65x more for the iPhone.
3Gs vs Desire HD may not be too obvious ..
Maybe his 51 machines where running cracks?
Meanwhile in iOS camp you're up there with your fourth super-expensive phone.
Only the Nexuses really do it right in Android camp to, even though HTC should been shown some appreciation, so here goes:
Well done HTC! You're the least suckiest Android phone manufacturer!
Maybe they are Chinese? (Or pirates :D)