So want to sacrifice them to save all the private persons actually doing the infringement by preventing any laws which would make it easier to catch them?
I see the reason but I don't think it's just. We, the people committing the infringement is the criminals, not the people offering the technique which makes it possible.
[quote]Prosecution lawyer Monique Wadsted questions Carl Lundstrom, pleading not guilty and having nothing to do with TPB, calling TPB illegal, trying to have him label it as illegal as well. The defense protests, luckily. Got damn industry lawyers...[/quote]
Uhm, what he claims is that he backed off from getting more involved since it wasn't obvious that TPB was 100% legal and there was no risk for charges? That's not the same as saying "When I found out TPB was illegal I didn't wanted anything more to do with it."
They can only be screwed if they have committed a crime to begin with, and so far I don't know if this has been discussed or decided on? They only seem to try to figure out who have done what and is responsible for what parts of TPB and so on and not discuss if whatever they have done would actually be illegal or not.
There is nothing wrong with overseeing operations of TPB if TPBs business isn't illegal in the first place.
But I don't get why the defendants try to tell the story how they don't have anything with it to do if they really believe they are innocent. Have they questioned Gottfrid yet? Atleast he may have the balls =p, time will tell:) (Though obviously smart in any case if the actions of TPB is decided to be criminal.)
s/listed/listen/... and in the end I won't see them as criminals trying to earn money from copyright infringement but rather people having the balls and risking messing up their personal lives fighting the industry and trying to affect things (cultural, educational,...) in the way they would want things to develop.
They are not cowards whining after getting a bunch of money from abusing the system, they are people who has been very open with what they do and risk it all for everyone else to enjoy (well, except the huge media companies and such.)
The income is ads which kind of ALL FUCKING WEBPAGES GET THEIR MONEY FROM, sure torrents pointing out illegal contents generate much more traffic for them but it's not like they earn money from the actual copyright infringement.
And they probably started it for ideological reasons and not to earn money, the ads is just a smart addon, I doubt they have run TPB to earn money but rather say "fuck you" to the media industry and what not no matter what if you think that is ok or not.
Youtube earns money from copyright infringement made by their users to, the difference is that they listed to and remove copyrighted content while the TPB does not. The reasons TPB does not is probably not because it would hurt their business as much as they believing the actual hosting of the torrent files to be legal.
I don't get it why only Apple was bashed though, personally I already know they are all about patents and vendor lockin, but why not mention that the next Android phone from HTC for instance don't even come with regular headphone output but use their own interface for it? It all suck (understandable if it's for supporting a headset with mic though, but then atleast offer an adapter-cable for headphone only usage to.)
Except, like, you know, when the accessory maker also sell the chargers / cables, which most often is the case.
Look at the comments on amazon for the magsafe loader for Apple Macbook / Macbook Pros, someone had replaced theirs 8 times in a year. Sure it may suck and get lose but since it's Apple the design is patented so good luck not getting a new one from them, again, and again, and...
The cable at the wall end is replaceable so you can switch to different connectors, the cable part to the laptop is not so you need to get a new charger and not only the last piece of cable to. But then again, you have probably scratched up the precious plastic piece which was the side of the charger and had an embossed Apple logo so better replace it for style anyway...
Which as we all know is the same with speaker cables, sure they may actually look somewhat better or have more exotic materials but still the material cost vs price of the cable will be rather fucked up as soon as you leave the budget cables. And it's rather useless to.
Same with runner shoes to, cost to the worker is probably less than $1, guess that may not include materials but it's not like there will be a huge difference in manufacturing a shoe for $50 or $300. And the workers probably get less than 1/100 in all cases
I read earlier on dapreview or anythingbutipod how Sony asked upwards $100 or something such for a charger cable for their NWZ-series of mp3 players... Better not lose that one...
And yes, it may be USB to whateversonyconnection but it still cost a shitload.
If it had been regular USB it would cost less than 10 dollars, and most people would already have a couple.
I assume "really expensive" is / metric ton or kg and not per 5 gram plastic mold?
Well, for the actual right to copy things the GPL gets leverage for pushing its other points by giving people more rights than the copyright law would give them.
But then it also try to dictate how the code shall be modified and distributed which would indeed be more limiting without any copyright laws. It don't give away all rights as public domain do.
It may be true that the monetary losses are not nearly what the record companies claim
Well, the IFPI ask for 15.4 million dollars in damage, which is probably based on some small amount of pirated content, but anyway, I would actually believe it has made a loss of an amount in that range +/- couple of hundreds percent. It's not an unreasonable economical loss of years of piracy I'd assume.
But they ask for it from the wrong people, if anything they should sue each and every person who copies things but then they find that too hard..
Innocent and innocent, do they help people copy things? Yes. Should that really be a crime? I don't know. Do they earn money from that system? No. Was the purpose to earn money? No. Did they figure out ads would help? Yes. Does it matter that they earned some money from ads? No.
Imho people do their own decisions, sure they provide the tools, but it's not like it's hard to copy things anyway. People will copy just as much even if TPB would be gone.
Call me when they sue the restaurant serving the alcohol when someone gets assaulted on a saturday night...
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So want to sacrifice them to save all the private persons actually doing the infringement by preventing any laws which would make it easier to catch them?
I see the reason but I don't think it's just. We, the people committing the infringement is the criminals, not the people offering the technique which makes it possible.
Fuck, messed up the quote, damn boards with their crappy syntax :D
Anyway, even IF Carl would have claimed TPB illegal he's no judge and his opinion isn't worth more than anyone else.
[quote]Prosecution lawyer Monique Wadsted questions Carl Lundstrom, pleading not guilty and having nothing to do with TPB, calling TPB illegal, trying to have him label it as illegal as well. The defense protests, luckily. Got damn industry lawyers...[/quote]
Uhm, what he claims is that he backed off from getting more involved since it wasn't obvious that TPB was 100% legal and there was no risk for charges? That's not the same as saying "When I found out TPB was illegal I didn't wanted anything more to do with it."
I doubt the germans roll their own version?
Bullshit, if "TL:DR" applies they are both the same. :D
Also you can't be responsible for signing something you didn't understood, so ... :D
They can only be screwed if they have committed a crime to begin with, and so far I don't know if this has been discussed or decided on? They only seem to try to figure out who have done what and is responsible for what parts of TPB and so on and not discuss if whatever they have done would actually be illegal or not.
There is nothing wrong with overseeing operations of TPB if TPBs business isn't illegal in the first place.
But I don't get why the defendants try to tell the story how they don't have anything with it to do if they really believe they are innocent. Have they questioned Gottfrid yet? Atleast he may have the balls =p, time will tell :)
(Though obviously smart in any case if the actions of TPB is decided to be criminal.)
Am I so behind the times even epic fail is outdated?
Yeah, ever since TPB got their first legal threat we have started to reefer epic fail to "trying to threaten TPB with your legal mumbo jumbo."
I would like to see the percentage of bought DVDs which are single layer.
Yeah, useless info, who cares if it's 250 compressed DVDs when you can't play them?
Just say 1 or 2 TB.
What can I say? I'm one of a kind ...
Your comment failed since what we see is "FYI" and not "It's better close up."
Though, sure, grand parent failed as well.
Your moma so fat even if I'd entangle with her no information would be able to leave her event horizon.
I can see how this can affect the general opinion against them but it shouldn't affect the case as such should it?
Law is law and different opinions or not agreeing with someone else is a totally different thing.
Understandable how he wants to play nice though.
s/listed/listen/ ... and in the end I won't see them as criminals trying to earn money from copyright infringement but rather people having the balls and risking messing up their personal lives fighting the industry and trying to affect things (cultural, educational, ...) in the way they would want things to develop.
They are not cowards whining after getting a bunch of money from abusing the system, they are people who has been very open with what they do and risk it all for everyone else to enjoy (well, except the huge media companies and such.)
The income is ads which kind of ALL FUCKING WEBPAGES GET THEIR MONEY FROM, sure torrents pointing out illegal contents generate much more traffic for them but it's not like they earn money from the actual copyright infringement.
And they probably started it for ideological reasons and not to earn money, the ads is just a smart addon, I doubt they have run TPB to earn money but rather say "fuck you" to the media industry and what not no matter what if you think that is ok or not.
Youtube earns money from copyright infringement made by their users to, the difference is that they listed to and remove copyrighted content while the TPB does not. The reasons TPB does not is probably not because it would hurt their business as much as they believing the actual hosting of the torrent files to be legal.
I don't get it why only Apple was bashed though, personally I already know they are all about patents and vendor lockin, but why not mention that the next Android phone from HTC for instance don't even come with regular headphone output but use their own interface for it? It all suck (understandable if it's for supporting a headset with mic though, but then atleast offer an adapter-cable for headphone only usage to.)
Well, getting the source code vs disassembled code is a major difference imho.
But since you're AC it doesn't help much telling you there is a difference.
Except, like, you know, when the accessory maker also sell the chargers / cables, which most often is the case.
Look at the comments on amazon for the magsafe loader for Apple Macbook / Macbook Pros, someone had replaced theirs 8 times in a year. Sure it may suck and get lose but since it's Apple the design is patented so good luck not getting a new one from them, again, and again, and ...
The cable at the wall end is replaceable so you can switch to different connectors, the cable part to the laptop is not so you need to get a new charger and not only the last piece of cable to. ...
But then again, you have probably scratched up the precious plastic piece which was the side of the charger and had an embossed Apple logo so better replace it for style anyway
Which as we all know is the same with speaker cables, sure they may actually look somewhat better or have more exotic materials but still the material cost vs price of the cable will be rather fucked up as soon as you leave the budget cables. And it's rather useless to.
Same with runner shoes to, cost to the worker is probably less than $1, guess that may not include materials but it's not like there will be a huge difference in manufacturing a shoe for $50 or $300. And the workers probably get less than 1/100 in all cases
I read earlier on dapreview or anythingbutipod how Sony asked upwards $100 or something such for a charger cable for their NWZ-series of mp3 players... Better not lose that one ...
And yes, it may be USB to whateversonyconnection but it still cost a shitload.
If it had been regular USB it would cost less than 10 dollars, and most people would already have a couple.
I assume "really expensive" is / metric ton or kg and not per 5 gram plastic mold?
Sun, Redhat, IBM, Novell, ... don't care about money? ;D
But yes, fame, appreciation and getting some sort of respect for your work seem to be enough for most people.
... but not the responsibilities which was his point.
Well, for the actual right to copy things the GPL gets leverage for pushing its other points by giving people more rights than the copyright law would give them.
But then it also try to dictate how the code shall be modified and distributed which would indeed be more limiting without any copyright laws. It don't give away all rights as public domain do.
It may be true that the monetary losses are not nearly what the record companies claim
Well, the IFPI ask for 15.4 million dollars in damage, which is probably based on some small amount of pirated content, but anyway, I would actually believe it has made a loss of an amount in that range +/- couple of hundreds percent. It's not an unreasonable economical loss of years of piracy I'd assume.
But they ask for it from the wrong people, if anything they should sue each and every person who copies things but then they find that too hard ..
Innocent and innocent, do they help people copy things? Yes.
Should that really be a crime? I don't know.
Do they earn money from that system? No.
Was the purpose to earn money? No.
Did they figure out ads would help? Yes.
Does it matter that they earned some money from ads? No.
Imho people do their own decisions, sure they provide the tools, but it's not like it's hard to copy things anyway. People will copy just as much even if TPB would be gone.
Call me when they sue the restaurant serving the alcohol when someone gets assaulted on a saturday night ...