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Pirate Bay Founder Begs For Hacker Ceasefire
Barence writes "Pirate Bay's co-founder has pleaded for hackers to stop attacking the sites of those organizations lined up against him. Peter Sunde is on trial with Pirate Bay's three other founders for allegedly distributing copyrighted material. The trial is about to enter its fourth day, and in a gesture of support for the four men hackers have begun assaulting plaintiff websites, beginning with that of the The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. The campaign has caused concern in the Pirate Bay camp, prompting Sunde to write a post titled 'We're winning, stop hacking, please' on his blog."
Who needs enemies, eh? :P
"Cease fire boys, we got 'em where we want 'em!" Reminds me of my old Staff. Sergeant. Even if TPB wins, I imagine this will change the front of file-sharing once again and new technology will emerge. I'm just curious what it will be...
Bored at work? Play Game!
"We're winning, stop hacking, please"
I would prefer something more theatrical such as:
Does it please the court to know that my hand has stayed the executioner's sword from the neck of the prosecution?
I can see how this can affect the general opinion against them but it shouldn't affect the case as such should it?
Law is law and different opinions or not agreeing with someone else is a totally different thing.
Understandable how he wants to play nice though.
Of course, as any decent hacker knows, "Stop hacking please" is just a l33t-speak code message for, "Keep up the good work"!
An actual link to a real blog instead of JUST the link to the no analysis ad revenue suckhole article.
My Babylon
Especially RIAA, IFPI, MPAA, et al. Aside from unnecessary negative publicity, taking down these static zero-hit sites accomplishes nothing. Immanuel Kant said it best, "If a site is hacked and no one visits the defaced page, can it be truly considered a hack?"
What a sell-out. . .
One should be open to the possibility of IFPI "hacking" themselves to gain popular support. It is, after all, instant sympathy. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
Comments towards the end of TFA suggest the hackings may be sponsored by the IFPI/MPAA so as to make the Pirate Bay look bad. It would be amusingly absurd to see counter-hacking by TPB supporters keeping the "enemy" sites up.
I find it amusing that the same mind that could be outraged at the prosection of "four innocent men... accused of copyright infringement" would then go on to say "we urge the public to boycott and lynch those responsible".
Boycott, sure. Protest, fine. Even a little creative vandalism is good. But lynching?
I would say someone has their priorities out of whack. Either they haven't thought this through or they are just *that* dumb that they would offer "support" to someone on trial by calling for violence against the plaintiffs.
I thought hackers were supposed to be ingenious and creative thinkers. Not the equivalent dumbass jocks on a rampage.
I've got a bad attitude and karma to burn. Go ahead. Mod me down.
It will however be available as a torrent :)
I hope English isn't your first language.
This goes nicely with their King Kong defense, though. "See, we can't control what our supporters are doing to your web sites, just like we can't control the information that's getting posted on our forums. If you're going to accuse us of copyright infringement, you might just as well accuse us of hacking."
I know what you did last summer. Just kidding, I don't work at the NSA.
just download that torrent I think it was called "antihacker.rar"? You just unzip the rar and install that in there www root server folder.
Apparently we can't recognize a little tongue-in-cheek hyperbole? Sigh...
No, really. They were calling for murder. Right. Keep on believing that, dear.
Once you read the article, if you want a good laugh, feed the blog post comments through text to speech software. It sounds like the Swedish chef.
Apologies to Swedish people, about that, but not about the Swedish chef.
I'm not so sure that the attacks are intended as support of TPB's founders, beloved by all though they are, so much as protest against abuse of the legal system by IFPI et al.
After all, copyrights aren't an entitlement as IFPI are claiming, but an incentive for them to open "their" creations for the common good. They're just trying to extort an increased scope for the standard bribe. Who wouldn't object to that?
after 1789. to stop violence.
they liked him ( he is the lead of the group who worked on and wrote declaration of the rights of man ), respected him, but they were SO fed up with aristocracy and what they lived in their hands that noone heeded the pleas to stop violence against aristocrats.
its something like that. 3% of the population is trying to suppress 97% of the population like those times. 3% is the corporations and the i.p. industry, and 97%, the people, like the last time.
i dont need to remind you what happened after 1792.
Read radical news here
Why would hackers be targeting those sites now instead of hitting them 24/7/365? It's not like these organizations were good and then all of a sudden became evil when they brought TPB to court.
Besides, who really cares about their websites? If the hackers really wanted to get the job done then every employee of every one of those organizations would have nothing but goatse in their inbox from now until the day they resign.
mmmm...forbidden donut
I'd mod you up strictly for my love of flowery bullshit phrasing.
"Common sense will be the death of us all"
In fact, as annoying as the trial is, this is how a court system should work. There is an ambiguity in law. The copyright owners believe that one is true, the Pirate Bay believes another thing is true. Rather than complaining that the process of justice is moving along, we should be thankful that we live in a world where somewhere such a process is available, and the Pirate Bay was not just summarily destroyed and the people involved were not just summarily fined to oblivion, which is what happens in America.
I hope that the rest of the world is not being infected with the meme of the court system as a tool of the criminal, because it is sure nice to have an place where a relatively impartial educated person can hear and adjudicate on legitimate differences of opinion.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
"Little stupid scriptkiddie somewhere that doesn't understand" is also a bit of a reach. All the more "mature" warez/sceners know far better than to do this kind of thing, right?
in a gesture of support for the four men hackers have begun assaulting plaintiff websites, beginning with that of the The International Federation of the Pornographic Industry.
And I'm not that into pr0n, either.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Another take on this is to let a wider sympathetic audience know that there is hacking going on. By giving more people the idea, they are probably insuring that a new wave of attacks on the plaintiffs' internet assets will occur.
By stating this as a plea to cease, they also get to claim that they have no control or involvement in any illegal hacking that is occurring. The can adopt the moral high ground and demonstrate that they are trying to curtail illegal activity being perpetrated by less savory individuals.
Well played, sir. Well played.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Either you support vigilante actions or you don't.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
How many times has the MPAA or RIAA been linked with hiring hackers to DOS attack torrent websites or upload releases that contain viruses or malformed software in them?
RIAA hired hackers to infect P2P users and websites
http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2003/01/15/riaa-denounces-claim-it-hired-hackers-to-attack-p2p-systems
TorrentSpy says MPAA paid man $15,000 to hack and disrupt TorrentSpy's network
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7583.cfm
The hackers are only responding appropriately in this case.
The Swedish government put The Pirate Bay in court and TPB responded appropriately by hiring lawyers and civilly appearing for trial.
The MPAA and RIAA hacked and disrupted P2P networks and so hackers fought back using the same exact methods.
Is hacking the MPAA or RIAA good? Not at all. But they started this nonsense both in and out of court with lawsuits and hiring people to illegally hack and disrupt networks.
doing something quiet and sneaky would be far more useful than a childish site defacement.
Don't just do the electronic equivalent of scrawling "you suck" on their wall, rifle through their filing cabinets. Grab and leak copies of their email archives showing record exec's scummy behaviour - screwing over various artists, cocaine deals going down etc. (believe me the industry is full of drugs). Find details of their strategic pro-copyright-monopoly plans and counter them. If you can, find private keys they're using for encryption and DRM.
I have visions of the Crimson Permanent Assurance coming alongside the Very Big Corporation of America and hitting it with cannonades, full broadside.
Argh! Call of your dogs, yee scurvy pirates!
The way I see it, the plaintiff saw half the charges being dropped on the first day, panicked, and then defaced their own site to drum up some sympathy, knowing that it would put TPB in a bad light.
Only his tendency toward a dazed stupor prevented him from screaming aloud.
What the GP is suggesting is a conspiracy theory, that the opponents to file sharing hired some hackers to attack their own sites, under the assumption that everybody will suspect TPB is behind the attack and that it will ruin TPB's credibility.
Now, I don't prescribe to this conspiracy theory, but the opponents to file sharing aren't as adverse to hiring hackers as you seem to think.
The details are trivial and useless; The reasons, as always, purely human ones.
Berkeley, not Kant.
OLD NEWS... geez this only happened almost two days ago. People submitted events of the hack on ifpi.se within minutes of the hacking (it was still live) but Slashdot waits to post news that is over a day and a half old.
Guess I must still be new here. ;)
This is perfect proof that the majority of PB users are kids who have more time than money. The media industries are NOT losing any potential sales to these people.
The human mind is actually funny. We all think we can juggle multiple variables, and only look at the important, but the cruel (and proven by studies) reality is that everything gets dragged towards the value of "how much I like or dislike that guy on the whole." That overall opinion isn't an average of the individual and independently-evaluated values, but rather the other way around, a value that gets averaged into all the others.
It works equally well for:
- humans. If person X really likes person Z, the same personality traits will be given a big positive delta. "Yeah, he's outspoken, but we need people who call things as they are. And yeah, he finishes his projects later than other people, but he's a perfectionist and you can't rush quality. And maybe some bugs slip past his tests, but it's inevitable in this line of work." If person Y really hates Z, the same things get a big negative delta in their perception. "He's rude and lazy, and his programs are so buggy you have to wonder if he even tried starting them before committing in CVS." Which is why being the boss's best buddy actually works.
- companies and products. Fanboy flamewars are probably the best illustration of it at work. You see extreme deltas applied in their perception, so the same thing (which is probably not even important for anyone else) becomes pure perfection and even God couldn't have done it better to one camp, and the work of Satan to the other camp.
- games. E.g., see all the people who swore that everything about WoW is perfection when they liked it, and flipped to swearing that every single aspect or design decision is pure evil and only deluded idiots like it, when they eventually got bored of the game.
Etc.
Or to put it otherwise, there's a reason why everyone from Bill Gates to some obscure singer tries to whitewash their PR image, by means varying from posing as the great philanthropist (e.g., Bill Gates) to milking some compassion (e.g., Michael Jackson.) Because while we _should_ be evaluating the products based on their individual merits, liking the guy actually makes you like his products too, and hating him makes you find more faults in his products.
What I'm trying to get to is: judges and _especially_ juries should judge the facts independent of any other factors, but they're still humans like the rest of us. Many a case (again, especially when it involved a jury) ended up actually being judged by how well one likes the defendant, or by which lawyer is more charismatic.
So it's probably a good idea to avoid being perceived in some unsympathetic light, e.g., as "one of those evil hackers."
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
We are Anonymous. We are legion. We are one. We do not forgive. We do not forget.
its Bull Terriers
Right.
its Gurkhas
Right.
it's particularly fierce Sergeants
Wrong.
So, if they are found guilty, what's to stop "interest groups" from going after gun manufacturer's next saying that they are enabling criminals? And after that auto manufacturer's for enabling drunk drivers for after all without cars we wouldn't have drunk drivers. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and holding the actual criminals responsible for their actions?
With friends like these, who needs enemies, eh? :P
Canadians
...but the Revolution will not be televised. It probably, however, will show up on YouTube on your iPhone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqWMmwH4p6w
Even when I was so incredibly young and fiercely stupid that I was living in Houston and voting Republican, I still had enough of an ear to smile at the voice behind that poem.
For you poor bastards who came of age during the time of Bush, here's a brother who suffered under the time of Nixon, by way of a Reagan victim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In four parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.
There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.
Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
The TPB is victorious. I knew they'd win.
Summary judgment can only be ordered if either party is unable to make a case. Judges cannot impose summary judgment simply on a whim. At best, this might be grounds for sanctioning TPB's lawyers, but I don't know how that works over in Sweden.
If you can read this, it means that I bothered to log in.
..but you decided to post instead. ...ducks...
Practice Kind Randomness and Beautiful Acts of Nonsense.
They should yell "Reveal thy bossoms or begone with thee!!" to Monique Wadstedt (Lawyer for RIAA I think.)
I also predict that the modding of this post will reflect how many slashdotters also lurk on 4chan.
I see what you mean. You are saying that Staffordshire is known for its Bull Terriers, Nepal is known for its Gurkhas, but it's not particularly fierce Sergeants that make Staffordshire known. I guess you're right.
Actually, now that you mention it, it's quite the opposite. Even their police has given up and "is open to all ... gay ... , etc" Sergeants.
You should never piss off the geek community... it WILL cut off its nose to spite your fugly face.
Did this go through an editing process?
"The trial is about to enter its fourth day, and in a gesture of support for the four men hackers have begun assaulting plaintiff websites, beginning with that of the The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry."
Dear lord... use some commas and make it two sentences.
Most of me wishes TPB will wipe the floor with the vile scum that are the plaintiffs. But really, I know that if TPB win, things will just get worse as the plaintiffs will seek to defend their revolting monopolies in ever more extreme ways elsewhere. They'll be like Agent Smith: just bringing in more and more lawyers.
If TPB lose, then things will get even worse as file sharing is forced further into the darknet and whole cultures start to grow up effectively rejecting completely any moral regard for copyright in any form. The RIAA and the others have not a clue about how far things can go here, nor how damaging they will become in trying to prop up their failing business models.
And just in case anyone is tempted to say that I'm going over the top about being able to share my Pixies albums with strangers, let me assure them that they've missed the point by a mile.
"And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"...
Damn kids. They're all alike.
But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?
I am a hacker, enter my world...
Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me...
Damn underachiever. They're all alike.
I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."
Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.
I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me... Or thinks I'm a smart ass... Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...
Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike.
And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found.
"This is it... this is where I belong..."
I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...
Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike...
You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.
This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.
Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.
I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
No Mercy
we gave a year to certain people as a promise not to interfere, things are not getting better they are getting worse. and no pirate bay had and has nothing to do with any of it. look at there PR mans blunders as a sign that they know they are going to lose if they don't smarten up.
now causality will occur on a scale they haven't seen for some time. If you notice you don't see north american attacks that often though they do infrequently occur.
Like one poster said when 3% aggravate the larger 97% you can be sure that even 1% of the 97% is enough to make them quake.
THEY brought the suit , they got the laws its htere system. this is our system
Not bad for being someone's first language.
Personally, English is my zeroth language.
To whomever modded me flambait:
Your irony counter is illegally parked not-on-slashdot. Please move it, or I'll have it towed in here ;-) ... I love Canadians, especially when on strike ;)
But you posted, so your mod was useless! It's okay, I modded Anonymous Coward up for you, to make up for your foolishness.
Property is theft.
And you don't know how summary judgment works.
If you can read this, it means that I bothered to log in.
You're English I take it?
don't even think about stopping. no mercy! take them bastards down, now!
Does it please the court to know that my hand has stayed the executioner's sword from the neck of the prosecution?
How appropriate. You fight like a cow
Now I know what filth and stupidity really are.
I know! /. needs to move to the rollover points plan. I had some extra last month!
"Common sense will be the death of us all"
Add to that the fact that they have those websites that have been sitting idle for years and years. So this means they finally get some use out of those resources. I think we've established means and motive.
Please also keep in mind that organisations like the 'AA's are a conspiracy by definition.
Do you have a link to what was the original intent of copyright?
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Personally, English is my zeroth language.
There speaks a software engineer. Either that, or you were born zero-based.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
There speaks a software engineer.
I wish.
If I were a judge in this case...
And the world breaths a great sigh of relief that you're not a judge in any case.
What?