Wiis way of doing it seem to work, so who cares if it would be primitive or not? Primitive which work = reliable and cheap?
But the patent seem to be for the whole controller, not just for the part which makes it reconfigurable? Because that would be pretty lame to patent, and on the Wii you can already add the thumb thing, put it in a steering wheel, zapper holder or similar so. Not replaceable buttons or such but it's not like they are the first in the world thinking about that either.
I wonder if people really want big spherical balls on their controllers.
Sony NWZ, Cowon D2, Cowon O2, Sansa Fuze will all have better sound.
D2/O2/Fuze will have a memory card slot and therefor more storage.
D2 and especially O2 will offer waay superior format support (O2 can kind of play anything, videos up to 720p if you want to, in divx or whatever.)
Neither of them require a special software to work.
All of them lack Wifi, but for instance Archos have players with Wifi if you want that, I don't care since I'd use it as a media player and now as a browser. Creative got players with Wifi to.
Touch got custom applications, more if you break it. But for instance the O2 have an SDK to and I doubt you have to pay for or sign up for some evil NDA to use it. Q5W from Cowon ran WinCE, I don't know what O2 runs but maybe WinCE to? All players which run WinCE should be quite easily to add applications to, or?
I think there will be lots of more developers for touch and iPhone than the O2 though, but it's still possible to develop for the O2 and as a portable media player it kills the touch multiple times. (Cheaper, superior format support, bigger memory with extra SD-card, support higher res video with no transcoding, tv-out, better sound quality,..)
If you want something really open for development and capable to play all I guess something like openpandora is for you, but then it's not really a portable media player longer...
So well, depends on what you need.
Personally I just want to put whatever series and movies on it and play them with no work.
Feel free to check how all my posts are moderated now:D
Apple fanatics are so retarded and ugly. Can't handle the least of criticism even though the products sucks. Makes me feel so bad that I actually bough an Apple machine. Never again. I don't want to belong to the deaf and idiotic camp.
* Tell the truth about Windows? Get moderated up a point or so.
* Make excessive bullshit talking about Windows? Get moderated all the way up to 5.
* Mention the truth about Apple? Get moderated to hell.
* Lie together whatever crap about how superior Apple is? Get moderated both ways but in the end you still end up great.
The Dells usually cost like 2/3s of the cost, and often have extras like better comfort settings (tilt, height,..) and usb-ports and such.
I have no idea what Apple uses now, there are no cheap "small" IPS-panels, there exist PVAs but they suck for gaming. The few MVA and IPS ones which can be found are rather expensive. But as I said I think Dell sells a 28 or 30" one with decent specs for a quite affordable price. Not as cheap as a 22" TN one but still affordable. 110% color gamut to!
I don't know about that. I have Mac Pro and at the time I could not buy any other machine with same performance, fantastic design (and it matters to me: the cooling solution is brilliant, everything is accessible and above all, the machine is ultra quiet).
Back in the days it looked nice, but now it's quite mediocre / dull / boring imho. The design has never been good for space usage.
And something similar for cpu, or water cooling which you can easily get within the same budget.
Q9550 is really cheap now, quad 2.83 GHz 12 MB cache, what does the current Mac Pro have?
DDR2 memory are more or less given away.
Similar HDDs and DVD-burners won't cost much at all.
HD4850 / HD4870X2 will kill the Mac Pro and still don't cost much.
Get a Corsair power supply. Feel free to tell me where mac pros performance is superior or where the cooling solution is better or where it's more affordable.
Now just buy the base config from Apple and upgrade the rest yourself for much less.
FB-DIMMs cost a lot, you can't get whatever graphics card but only special old slow ones for a huge markup from Apple, and you still pay a lot for the crap you get even at base configuration.
Of all the things Mac Pro does and has, the fact that is is running cool and with NO NOISE or rattle of any kind is worth a lot to me.
And you don't think the $1000 saved can buy you a better cooling solution?
People will easily pay (and I have) several thousand dollars extra for a quiet case, quiet hard drive enclosure, quiet power supply etc and still won't have as quiet system.
Uhm, VGA cooler 40 dollar or so, CPU-cooler something similar, then what? I think 100 dollar or so would be enough for a similar air cooled solution.
The case in question will make some noise FROM THE AIR MOVING THRU IT, but the fans are 23 cm at 1500 rpm so I doubt they make much of a noise, and the VGA cooler is passive, and if you don't over clock a passive CPU cooler probably works just fine in it as well.
Water cooling will of course be even more quiet.
I built my PCs for ages, and spent up to $5000 and still could not have as well made system.
Too bad you suck at getting good parts then.
Macbook and Macbook pros are beautiful machines and a joy to use. Everything from the looks to the OS is well put together and to some of us that is worth the money.
Yeah, I especially like how Safari use all my ram within a day, how applications crash all the time since Safari is using all RAM, how hot the machine gets. How shitty the TN-panel is and the low 1440x900 resolution of it, how the keyboard makes marks on my screen. The poor audio quality of the headphones output, the annoying super bright white diode keeping me awake at nights while the machine is at sleep. How frickin' noisy the machine is since Safari and Flash for OS X sucks balls and how insanely hot the bottom of the enclosure gets since they have pressed it all together within 1 inch without sufficient cooling. The poor quality of the build (excessive thermal grease and lose aluminium frame around the button releasing the screen.) And how much bad configuration the machine was with 128 MB vram for an 8600m GT but still top of the line 2.2 GHz CPUs. No way Apple could had put an extra 30 dollar on getting a decent amount of VRAM in all models!?!
I have not seen a single PC or laptop that I would want to buy at any price segment. Just look
Because it's not intended/reliable/Apple try to make it not work/not supported by the manufacturer/there are more developer-friendly companies out there/3G could at least not earlier be jailbreaked as easily but maybe it can now? If it can't your point fails since that's the one they are selling.
But why use crap even if it's somewhat fixable/may work if you are lucky? Apple still suck.
The configurations still suck, and I don't like being "fooled."
Why can't the offer competitive products instead of cripple them on purpose to make insane amount of money from the people actually buying the stuff anyway?
I ran a hack earlier instead of this real one and since the hacks seems to be even easier to use by the time and not stop working my next machine will likely be a hack. Or FreeBSD + KDE but I'd like a couple of pro apps to.
Windows isn't that bad nowadays either, was worse in 3.11 / 95 era.
No it's not, what I pay when I get the phone doesn't matter. Total cost does.
Or do you think a 54" TV with "pay $100 now and split the rest over 36 months" only cost $100 as well?
I can't understand how people can be that stupid.
"omg look I got this phone for only $1!!!!"
Morons.
Also I don't need unlimited data or phone calls, or 3000 SMS. I can see how much data makes sense for the iPhone but in general I'd much rather pay for the very limited amount of calls I do.
And if the iPhone do or did Wifi I would had access covered most of the time anyway.
Also I really doubt the Sony NWZ-series interface is harder to work with than iPhone, haven't seen much about the AppleTV so can't comment, most people seem to be able to use Windows just fine, iPhone IS cool but it cost 3-4 times to much including the subscription for me and the G1 is much more open so I wouldn't care for it anyway.
I like capable gadgets with options, not limited ones which force feed me their decisions and ways of doing things.
I don't hate macs, I hate the limited amount of options and the high prices (in europe/sweden at least.)
I'd take better graphics and panels over faster cpus and exotic memory options. Cheaper prices would be nice to, and closer service (no Apple stores here) but I can understand that the market is to small for the later / that it's mostly an american company and the software makes up for some of the extra cost.
I'd take Cowon D2, O2, Sandisk Sansa Fuze and Sony NWZ-series over iPod though, and a much cheaper phone than the iPhone (with subscription.)
I will be moderated troll/flamebait as always in this kind of threads but I don't care.
So, could you tell me which ones are the good non-overpriced ones?
Imho:
Nano - non-good. Classic - non-good. Touch - somewhat good, but there are better and more price worthy players out there. iPhone - insane price. Mac mini - are you kidding? Macbook - somewhat good but over-priced. Macbook Pro - Good but really over-priced. iMac - Good and decent price at release for 24" ones, only product worth it's price if you're not an übergamer and actually need the screen. Mac Pro - Over-priced (don't give me this "omg just compare it to another machine of similar spec"-bullshit. I don't give a shit, I would never configure a machine that bad. I could get much better performance for less.) Airport Express - Rather cool if it could play audio even outside iTunes, but I don't think it can so overpriced. Airport Extreme - Very overpriced. AppleTV - Why?
Or rather, it's fucking hard to optimize the browser to take full advantage of the PS3 due to its complex hardware over the general purpose processors.
Oh well, my point still stands, I don't buy this "omg it's so much easier to write efficient code for a console (then it's the PS3 in this case) than a PC so of course it will run faster"-bullshit in this scenario. I do accept that when it comes to wide arrange of graphic cards and sound cards and such, especially in the days before DirectX where the developers would had to write the support themself for specific hardware.
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So it's even a wow-word and not general word?
I think it looks nice and I care more about what is inside anyway. I don't think it's plastic either.
Antec P190 are somewhat cleaner, but the holes for the fans probably don't work for you.
What about the Ultra 20 then?
http://www.cadbell.de/images/i1_hw_ultra20_lg.jpg
Nice signature, too bad Apple people don't seem to understand that either (among all the other things they don't have a clue about.)
But if the water vapor didn't mattered why mention it at all? :D
"Today I've answered to three Slashdot stories, but my breakfast was tea!"
Does make sense to observe the earth THRU as much water as possible to if water amount matters.. Not.
I thought the Wii used a camera and IR?
Wiis way of doing it seem to work, so who cares if it would be primitive or not? Primitive which work = reliable and cheap?
But the patent seem to be for the whole controller, not just for the part which makes it reconfigurable? Because that would be pretty lame to patent, and on the Wii you can already add the thumb thing, put it in a steering wheel, zapper holder or similar so. Not replaceable buttons or such but it's not like they are the first in the world thinking about that either.
I wonder if people really want big spherical balls on their controllers.
But doesn't gank mean "gang kill" or something?
How do you gank someone on your own? You're that guy with 20+ accounts playing your own party on your machines? :D
Depends on what you need.
Sony NWZ, Cowon D2, Cowon O2, Sansa Fuze will all have better sound.
D2/O2/Fuze will have a memory card slot and therefor more storage.
D2 and especially O2 will offer waay superior format support (O2 can kind of play anything, videos up to 720p if you want to, in divx or whatever.)
Neither of them require a special software to work.
All of them lack Wifi, but for instance Archos have players with Wifi if you want that, I don't care since I'd use it as a media player and now as a browser. Creative got players with Wifi to.
Touch got custom applications, more if you break it. But for instance the O2 have an SDK to and I doubt you have to pay for or sign up for some evil NDA to use it. Q5W from Cowon ran WinCE, I don't know what O2 runs but maybe WinCE to? All players which run WinCE should be quite easily to add applications to, or?
I think there will be lots of more developers for touch and iPhone than the O2 though, but it's still possible to develop for the O2 and as a portable media player it kills the touch multiple times. ..)
(Cheaper, superior format support, bigger memory with extra SD-card, support higher res video with no transcoding, tv-out, better sound quality,
If you want something really open for development and capable to play all I guess something like openpandora is for you, but then it's not really a portable media player longer ...
So well, depends on what you need.
Personally I just want to put whatever series and movies on it and play them with no work.
Feel free to check how all my posts are moderated now :D
Apple fanatics are so retarded and ugly. Can't handle the least of criticism even though the products sucks. Makes me feel so bad that I actually bough an Apple machine. Never again. I don't want to belong to the deaf and idiotic camp.
* Tell the truth about Windows? Get moderated up a point or so.
* Make excessive bullshit talking about Windows? Get moderated all the way up to 5.
* Mention the truth about Apple? Get moderated to hell.
* Lie together whatever crap about how superior Apple is? Get moderated both ways but in the end you still end up great.
The Dells usually cost like 2/3s of the cost, and often have extras like better comfort settings (tilt, height, ..) and usb-ports and such.
I have no idea what Apple uses now, there are no cheap "small" IPS-panels, there exist PVAs but they suck for gaming. The few MVA and IPS ones which can be found are rather expensive. But as I said I think Dell sells a 28 or 30" one with decent specs for a quite affordable price. Not as cheap as a 22" TN one but still affordable. 110% color gamut to!
Dampen the case won't help much, but except that rather insightful troll :D
I don't know about that. I have Mac Pro and at the time I could not buy any other machine with same performance, fantastic design (and it matters to me: the cooling solution is brilliant, everything is accessible and above all, the machine is ultra quiet).
Back in the days it looked nice, but now it's quite mediocre / dull / boring imho. The design has never been good for space usage.
Take this case for example:
http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?language=eu&act=detail&id=5366
And then a graphic card cooler like this:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=147
And something similar for cpu, or water cooling which you can easily get within the same budget.
Q9550 is really cheap now, quad 2.83 GHz 12 MB cache, what does the current Mac Pro have?
DDR2 memory are more or less given away.
Similar HDDs and DVD-burners won't cost much at all.
HD4850 / HD4870X2 will kill the Mac Pro and still don't cost much.
Get a Corsair power supply. Feel free to tell me where mac pros performance is superior or where the cooling solution is better or where it's more affordable.
Now just buy the base config from Apple and upgrade the rest yourself for much less.
FB-DIMMs cost a lot, you can't get whatever graphics card but only special old slow ones for a huge markup from Apple, and you still pay a lot for the crap you get even at base configuration.
Of all the things Mac Pro does and has, the fact that is is running cool and with NO NOISE or rattle of any kind is worth a lot to me.
And you don't think the $1000 saved can buy you a better cooling solution?
People will easily pay (and I have) several thousand dollars extra for a quiet case, quiet hard drive enclosure, quiet power supply etc and still won't have as quiet system.
Uhm, VGA cooler 40 dollar or so, CPU-cooler something similar, then what? I think 100 dollar or so would be enough for a similar air cooled solution.
The case in question will make some noise FROM THE AIR MOVING THRU IT, but the fans are 23 cm at 1500 rpm so I doubt they make much of a noise, and the VGA cooler is passive, and if you don't over clock a passive CPU cooler probably works just fine in it as well.
Water cooling will of course be even more quiet.
I built my PCs for ages, and spent up to $5000 and still could not have as well made system.
Too bad you suck at getting good parts then.
Macbook and Macbook pros are beautiful machines and a joy to use. Everything from the looks to the OS is well put together and to some of us that is worth the money.
Yeah, I especially like how Safari use all my ram within a day, how applications crash all the time since Safari is using all RAM, how hot the machine gets.
How shitty the TN-panel is and the low 1440x900 resolution of it, how the keyboard makes marks on my screen.
The poor audio quality of the headphones output, the annoying super bright white diode keeping me awake at nights while the machine is at sleep.
How frickin' noisy the machine is since Safari and Flash for OS X sucks balls and how insanely hot the bottom of the enclosure gets since they have pressed it all together within 1 inch without sufficient cooling.
The poor quality of the build (excessive thermal grease and lose aluminium frame around the button releasing the screen.)
And how much bad configuration the machine was with 128 MB vram for an 8600m GT but still top of the line 2.2 GHz CPUs. No way Apple could had put an extra 30 dollar on getting a decent amount of VRAM in all models!?!
I have not seen a single PC or laptop that I would want to buy at any price segment. Just look
Because it's not intended/reliable/Apple try to make it not work/not supported by the manufacturer/there are more developer-friendly companies out there/3G could at least not earlier be jailbreaked as easily but maybe it can now? If it can't your point fails since that's the one they are selling.
But why use crap even if it's somewhat fixable/may work if you are lucky? Apple still suck.
The configurations still suck, and I don't like being "fooled."
Why can't the offer competitive products instead of cripple them on purpose to make insane amount of money from the people actually buying the stuff anyway?
I ran a hack earlier instead of this real one and since the hacks seems to be even easier to use by the time and not stop working my next machine will likely be a hack. Or FreeBSD + KDE but I'd like a couple of pro apps to.
Windows isn't that bad nowadays either, was worse in 3.11 / 95 era.
No it's not, what I pay when I get the phone doesn't matter. Total cost does.
Or do you think a 54" TV with "pay $100 now and split the rest over 36 months" only cost $100 as well?
I can't understand how people can be that stupid.
"omg look I got this phone for only $1!!!!"
Morons.
Also I don't need unlimited data or phone calls, or 3000 SMS. I can see how much data makes sense for the iPhone but in general I'd much rather pay for the very limited amount of calls I do.
And if the iPhone do or did Wifi I would had access covered most of the time anyway.
Ok, but I'm a nerd, not a technology-moron.
Also I really doubt the Sony NWZ-series interface is harder to work with than iPhone, haven't seen much about the AppleTV so can't comment, most people seem to be able to use Windows just fine, iPhone IS cool but it cost 3-4 times to much including the subscription for me and the G1 is much more open so I wouldn't care for it anyway.
I like capable gadgets with options, not limited ones which force feed me their decisions and ways of doing things.
I don't hate macs, I hate the limited amount of options and the high prices (in europe/sweden at least.)
I'd take better graphics and panels over faster cpus and exotic memory options. Cheaper prices would be nice to, and closer service (no Apple stores here) but I can understand that the market is to small for the later / that it's mostly an american company and the software makes up for some of the extra cost.
I'd take Cowon D2, O2, Sandisk Sansa Fuze and Sony NWZ-series over iPod though, and a much cheaper phone than the iPhone (with subscription.)
Why didn't they just unlock either phone and tested it on the same network?
Can the iPhone 3G be unlocked yet?
Forgot the Air, good for its purpose but really really way to much overpriced.
All the LCDs are way to overpriced as well, buy one from Dell instead. WFP2807 or something like that is MVA I think.
I will be moderated troll/flamebait as always in this kind of threads but I don't care.
So, could you tell me which ones are the good non-overpriced ones?
Imho:
Nano - non-good.
Classic - non-good.
Touch - somewhat good, but there are better and more price worthy players out there.
iPhone - insane price.
Mac mini - are you kidding?
Macbook - somewhat good but over-priced.
Macbook Pro - Good but really over-priced.
iMac - Good and decent price at release for 24" ones, only product worth it's price if you're not an übergamer and actually need the screen.
Mac Pro - Over-priced (don't give me this "omg just compare it to another machine of similar spec"-bullshit. I don't give a shit, I would never configure a machine that bad. I could get much better performance for less.)
Airport Express - Rather cool if it could play audio even outside iTunes, but I don't think it can so overpriced.
Airport Extreme - Very overpriced.
AppleTV - Why?
five years ago?
Its userinterface looks awesome. It's not worth the insane price asked though.
But yeah, unless it's open for all kinds of applications it still sucks.
I'd prefer G1/openmoko over any phone, but G1 isn't released here :/
I wonder what is open with a forked internal version though :D
(Sure it could still be open if they want to, but then it wouldn't be a standard instead, which would still suck.)
Or rather, it's fucking hard to optimize the browser to take full advantage of the PS3 due to its complex hardware over the general purpose processors.
Oh well, my point still stands, I don't buy this "omg it's so much easier to write efficient code for a console (then it's the PS3 in this case) than a PC so of course it will run faster"-bullshit in this scenario. I do accept that when it comes to wide arrange of graphic cards and sound cards and such, especially in the days before DirectX where the developers would had to write the support themself for specific hardware.