But now you're just beeing an ass and argue for the sake of arguing.
Performance DO scale linearly for a perfect application for the hardware in question. However neither of us, the article writers or even Toshiba probably know what instructions will be run and therefor we can assume that they are comparing raw performance values. Or will you really try to argue that they didn't just made a misstake there they thought the larger one of 1:4 was 75% more and not 4 times as much?
I know about the disabpled SPE and where thinking about typing about it, but I thought about 9 vs 8 then and not 8 vs 7 so I just typed 8 anyway. As I read it I think you can turn on the disabled SPE aswell, as in that it's a backup in case one of the others dies so the chip can switch over to the spare one, that part may be wrong thought since it sounds kind of weird, thought it's easy to open up additional pipelines on some graphics units so who knows. Also the OS is part of whatever software it runs anyway but still a valid point.
Anyway for the rest of your x core vs x/2 core and balanced system specs and so on I will just ignore it since it's as I said just arguing for the sake of arguing. I already know that stuff but it wasn't the point of my post.
Yeah. I know that will be a factor, but considering the amount of games most people buy I doubt it's a huge amount, hopefully for Sony only 100 dollar or thereabout. Maybe more since sales are rather crappy.
Yeah, everyone knows 8*3 is 75% more than 4*1.5, just because the later one is 25% as much doesn't make the former one 75% more, and will never do...
Also why would this be that expensive considering the PS3 got 4 times as much SPE power, the ppc core, good gfx chips, blu-ray and so on and still doesn't cost that much of a fortune compared to laptop prices?
We actually did read C, C++, Java, Lisp, realtime programming,..
But anyway, I think it's good since it's stupid to code in a language which let you do so many misstakes.
Well duh, I don't do misstakes and that's what you should learn someone will say.. Well yeah, sure, that's why there are no bugs and exploits in any apps.
I do understand that it's kind of suck to have no people who understands the old code and can handle it thought. Or the lack of hardware knowledge, or people who can write new languages and kernels.
Yeah, I want to see upload speed aswell, because currently all this bullshit connections makes the Internet ULTRA SLOW instead, craptastic, the inventor of ADSL should be shoot!;) (and its users banned from the Internet!:D)
CD: "1980 Compact Disc standard proposed by Philips & Sony. 1981 Matsushita accepts Compact Disc Standard Digital Audio Disc Committee also accepts Compact Disc Standard. Sharp achieves production of semiconductor laser. Philips & Sony collaboration ends. 1982 Sony & Philips both have product ready to go." http://www.oneoffcd.com/info/historycd.cfm
So atleast not completely false.
Xbox VS PS3: I may have seen these on some sort of sony fanboy webpage or something, but atleast there they had a graph where the 360 was in lead, but if you changed the start of the graph to the same they more or less matched perfectly over time. If you are 100% sure sales for xbox360s first month compared to ps3s first month, and then second, third and so on in total was very different feel free to post source or tell so. If I'm wrong I blame a webpage which lied. I found the page but not the correct article: http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/ Of course it's a fanboy page, but I don't expect them to lie, only show the stuff which makes Sony look good. Another graph: http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=129
Minidisc wasn't a failure over here atleast, I know two people who got one;/, which may seem small but then I don't know much people. I thought it seemed nice except that you had to "record" your music, then came the NetMD which saved that but then I couldn't use it with my OS of choice, and also you had to convert all your music. Then came the Hi-MD and I would definitly have bought one of those over an MP3-player if the format of the actual data wasn't so retarded. Of course they failed when they didn't supported MP3s...
I would say it may have been a rather shitty move, because it made the PS3 much pricer to make and sell, and that's why or atleast one out of two reason why it's losing a lot to Wii. Noone will argue against that a PS3 with DVD-player would be much cheaper, thought not as future proof and good. (Kind of like 360..;/)
Yeah, it helped them win, even more so if PS3 had sold better, but no, people won't buy PS3 because it's a blu-ray player, atleast I doubt that. Not many bought PS2 or Xbox for DVD-playing, or? Thought atleast the PS3 doesn't make a lot of noice.
I'll probably get a Wii and PS3 sometime later when prices is lower, and if you can copy games on PS3..
Who was complaining about the data rate of the two formats a few posts back? What difference does that make? My very first CD-Rom was 300k/s. The one I use now is 7800k/s. Give it some time. And still no music player or producer can rely on data traveling over 150kB/s because that's the smallest common determiner(?)
How does it matter if a HD-DVD player released 10 years after the first one uses 12x if all movies have to be playable at 1x anyway? You can never use the bitrate of 12x playback in movies anyway if you want them to play on all players.
I have no idea if Sony have had anything to do with DV, Firewire, HDMI, some LCD technique, and so on. But I guess hey have done some more stuff right which I don't know about.
BetaMax? Failure. Walkman?... CD? Yeah, also made by Sony, failure?.... MiniDisc? Not a failure, if only they had skipped that Atrac bullshit and people would probably have used MDs longer. Atrac? Yes, a failure. MemoryStick? Depends, it haven't flooded and owned the market, but I guess it gives Sony more cash when without it. Thought it suck. UMD? Kind of worthless yes.
PS1 and PS2 was huge successes.
PS3 isn't a failure, it sells as good as 360 and 360 sold worse than Xbox did in the begining atleast, but still Xbox outsold Gamecube so I guess it's all kind of normal numbers.
Wii have however sold more units faster than PS2. So yes, Wii and DS outsells all, but PS3 and 360 aren't failures because of that. Sony probably hoped for much better numbers for PS3 thought..
So atleast CD, Walkman and MD worked for Sony, and I would have to say the Playstation range at large, it's definitly more of a success than xbox range...
Many people would have problems with that comparision using a newer version of lame and the shit they listen with (128kbps mp3 vs 16bit 48kHz uncompressed stereo that is.)
I doesn't seem to be able to sort out 192kbps vbr mp3s with uncompressed with Grado/Alessandro MS-1 headphones, maybe even lower quality. I don't remember if I tried with my stereo/home cinema crap but I guess that wouldn't help (Denon AVR-1801 cheap receiver, B&W DM603s2, Paradigm PS-1000 v3,...)
Isn't DTS quite enough for most people? Sure I would prefer uncompressed, but would I notice?
As someone mentioned earlier when it was 5 movies and $100, that you kind of buy the movies (or the player) and get the other thing for free (if you look at cost). And also even if the format failed you still had an upscaling dvd player for 100 dollar which is decent. 200 dollar is more but.. Maybe you could sell it with movies to someone who doesn't know yet;D
Amiga doesn't die either, thought it doesn't help much...
Exactly what have "we" (or "you") done? Made a UNIX environment thru GNU and Linux? Well, at the rate that has happened I guess Gimp may be comparable to Photoshop in 10-15 years, or 15-20 years for a whole new suite. Thought then the Adobe suit contains much more than Photoshop.
I hope it doesn't, anything conquering the world will be bad, I want alternatives and new ideas. Personally I'd rather see a completely new "multimedia OS" than an old UNIX clone.
I guess the point is that most other sellers sell DRMed WMA, but who cares, it's not like the costumer can't get an mp3 player which support drmed wma if they want to. Retarded lawsuit anyway, Apple doesn't have a monopol on the mp3 player market, they may have a quite large than on the music selling market but in that case it's only because all the other options suck and noone even tried or cared earlier, and why do one have to support whatever microsuck has going for it anyway?
Because it's the standard and it's monopol most be uphold on all markets? Even where it have failed to get one? Good one..
Yeah, it's the germans cheap car, volkswagen, which sometimes has peace signs on them for whatever reason, but WHY? Your answer doesn't explain anything. Because they were cheap and around in the 60ies? Or any other reason?
Also, TFA has absolutely no content on which to base its claims. TFA is 100% crap. How can this make Slashdot? I thought it was a whole article with lots of pages but it wasn't. Just rants from Mr knownothing which says "Well duh the Ubuntu theme is boring, and yeah Fedora can get codecs now, it's the cool, it will beat all!"
Here's a car analogy for you: It's like me saying that Lada will become the new Toyota because this sticker I found on my new toilet paper was blue.
Not to mention all his points are links to other pages instead of a summary, and 3/4 of the links doesn't even work!!
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Yeah, I can see the use for 3cm range, NOT, gg before it even started. Nice one Sony!
But I guess the [67]8xx-class or similair gpu of the ps3 can do the mpeg II part? Maybe. Much less likely H.264.
But now you're just beeing an ass and argue for the sake of arguing.
Performance DO scale linearly for a perfect application for the hardware in question. However neither of us, the article writers or even Toshiba probably know what instructions will be run and therefor we can assume that they are comparing raw performance values. Or will you really try to argue that they didn't just made a misstake there they thought the larger one of 1:4 was 75% more and not 4 times as much?
I know about the disabpled SPE and where thinking about typing about it, but I thought about 9 vs 8 then and not 8 vs 7 so I just typed 8 anyway. As I read it I think you can turn on the disabled SPE aswell, as in that it's a backup in case one of the others dies so the chip can switch over to the spare one, that part may be wrong thought since it sounds kind of weird, thought it's easy to open up additional pipelines on some graphics units so who knows. Also the OS is part of whatever software it runs anyway but still a valid point.
Anyway for the rest of your x core vs x/2 core and balanced system specs and so on I will just ignore it since it's as I said just arguing for the sake of arguing. I already know that stuff but it wasn't the point of my post.
Yeah. I know that will be a factor, but considering the amount of games most people buy I doubt it's a huge amount, hopefully for Sony only 100 dollar or thereabout. Maybe more since sales are rather crappy.
Yeah, everyone knows 8*3 is 75% more than 4*1.5, just because the later one is 25% as much doesn't make the former one 75% more, and will never do...
Also why would this be that expensive considering the PS3 got 4 times as much SPE power, the ppc core, good gfx chips, blu-ray and so on and still doesn't cost that much of a fortune compared to laptop prices?
... and Motorola 68HC12 assembly. And that was only on bechelor anyway.
We actually did read C, C++, Java, Lisp, realtime programming, ..
But anyway, I think it's good since it's stupid to code in a language which let you do so many misstakes.
Well duh, I don't do misstakes and that's what you should learn someone will say.. Well yeah, sure, that's why there are no bugs and exploits in any apps.
I do understand that it's kind of suck to have no people who understands the old code and can handle it thought. Or the lack of hardware knowledge, or people who can write new languages and kernels.
The whole news post is crap. What has buying in store to do with DRM anyway? Why would mp3 files bought in a store contain more DRM?
Inconvenient to go to a store? Yes. DRM? No.
Yeah, I want to see upload speed aswell, because currently all this bullshit connections makes the Internet ULTRA SLOW instead, craptastic, the inventor of ADSL should be shoot! ;) (and its users banned from the Internet! :D)
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Give people full duplex over fibre plz k thnx.
Hate all the goddamn leechers
CD:
;/, which may seem small but then I don't know much people. I thought it seemed nice except that you had to "record" your music, then came the NetMD which saved that but then I couldn't use it with my OS of choice, and also you had to convert all your music. Then came the Hi-MD and I would definitly have bought one of those over an MP3-player if the format of the actual data wasn't so retarded. Of course they failed when they didn't supported MP3s...
"1980 Compact Disc standard proposed by Philips & Sony.
1981 Matsushita accepts Compact Disc Standard
Digital Audio Disc Committee also accepts Compact Disc Standard.
Sharp achieves production of semiconductor laser.
Philips & Sony collaboration ends.
1982 Sony & Philips both have product ready to go."
http://www.oneoffcd.com/info/historycd.cfm
So atleast not completely false.
Xbox VS PS3:
I may have seen these on some sort of sony fanboy webpage or something, but atleast there they had a graph where the 360 was in lead, but if you changed the start of the graph to the same they more or less matched perfectly over time. If you are 100% sure sales for xbox360s first month compared to ps3s first month, and then second, third and so on in total was very different feel free to post source or tell so. If I'm wrong I blame a webpage which lied.
I found the page but not the correct article:
http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/
Of course it's a fanboy page, but I don't expect them to lie, only show the stuff which makes Sony look good.
Another graph: http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=129
Minidisc wasn't a failure over here atleast, I know two people who got one
I would say it may have been a rather shitty move, because it made the PS3 much pricer to make and sell, and that's why or atleast one out of two reason why it's losing a lot to Wii. Noone will argue against that a PS3 with DVD-player would be much cheaper, thought not as future proof and good. (Kind of like 360.. ;/)
Yeah, it helped them win, even more so if PS3 had sold better, but no, people won't buy PS3 because it's a blu-ray player, atleast I doubt that. Not many bought PS2 or Xbox for DVD-playing, or? Thought atleast the PS3 doesn't make a lot of noice.
I'll probably get a Wii and PS3 sometime later when prices is lower, and if you can copy games on PS3..
How does it matter if a HD-DVD player released 10 years after the first one uses 12x if all movies have to be playable at 1x anyway? You can never use the bitrate of 12x playback in movies anyway if you want them to play on all players.
I must add trinitron to the list aswell.
I have no idea if Sony have had anything to do with DV, Firewire, HDMI, some LCD technique, and so on. But I guess hey have done some more stuff right which I don't know about.
BetaMax? Failure. ... ....
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Walkman?
CD? Yeah, also made by Sony, failure?
MiniDisc? Not a failure, if only they had skipped that Atrac bullshit and people would probably have used MDs longer.
Atrac? Yes, a failure.
MemoryStick? Depends, it haven't flooded and owned the market, but I guess it gives Sony more cash when without it. Thought it suck.
UMD? Kind of worthless yes.
PS1 and PS2 was huge successes.
PS3 isn't a failure, it sells as good as 360 and 360 sold worse than Xbox did in the begining atleast, but still Xbox outsold Gamecube so I guess it's all kind of normal numbers.
Wii have however sold more units faster than PS2. So yes, Wii and DS outsells all, but PS3 and 360 aren't failures because of that. Sony probably hoped for much better numbers for PS3 thought
So atleast CD, Walkman and MD worked for Sony, and I would have to say the Playstation range at large, it's definitly more of a success than xbox range...
Many people would have problems with that comparision using a newer version of lame and the shit they listen with (128kbps mp3 vs 16bit 48kHz uncompressed stereo that is.)
...)
I doesn't seem to be able to sort out 192kbps vbr mp3s with uncompressed with Grado/Alessandro MS-1 headphones, maybe even lower quality. I don't remember if I tried with my stereo/home cinema crap but I guess that wouldn't help (Denon AVR-1801 cheap receiver, B&W DM603s2, Paradigm PS-1000 v3,
Isn't DTS quite enough for most people? Sure I would prefer uncompressed, but would I notice?
As someone mentioned earlier when it was 5 movies and $100, that you kind of buy the movies (or the player) and get the other thing for free (if you look at cost). And also even if the format failed you still had an upscaling dvd player for 100 dollar which is decent. 200 dollar is more but .. Maybe you could sell it with movies to someone who doesn't know yet ;D
BS, a lot of people would be way more willing to run Linux if they could run their regular apps or games.
Amiga doesn't die either, thought it doesn't help much ...
Exactly what have "we" (or "you") done? Made a UNIX environment thru GNU and Linux? Well, at the rate that has happened I guess Gimp may be comparable to Photoshop in 10-15 years, or 15-20 years for a whole new suite. Thought then the Adobe suit contains much more than Photoshop.
I hope it doesn't, anything conquering the world will be bad, I want alternatives and new ideas. Personally I'd rather see a completely new "multimedia OS" than an old UNIX clone.
I guess the point is that most other sellers sell DRMed WMA, but who cares, it's not like the costumer can't get an mp3 player which support drmed wma if they want to. Retarded lawsuit anyway, Apple doesn't have a monopol on the mp3 player market, they may have a quite large than on the music selling market but in that case it's only because all the other options suck and noone even tried or cared earlier, and why do one have to support whatever microsuck has going for it anyway?
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Because it's the standard and it's monopol most be uphold on all markets? Even where it have failed to get one? Good one
Yeah, it's the germans cheap car, volkswagen, which sometimes has peace signs on them for whatever reason, but WHY? Your answer doesn't explain anything. Because they were cheap and around in the 60ies? Or any other reason?
What has peace to do with nazi cars anyway? Why volkswagen?
Here's a car analogy for you:
It's like me saying that Lada will become the new Toyota because this sticker I found on my new toilet paper was blue.
Not to mention all his points are links to other pages instead of a summary, and 3/4 of the links doesn't even work!!
Fuck whoever let this pass
And now they has emotional value aswell! That of anger, hate, ...
"Chuck Norris doesn't bend for the law, the law bends for Chuck"?
That's what I'm counting/hope for.
Any asian girls on slashdot? You know my e-mail! (Added bonus: I'm not christian.)