Run a game on 4790K with DDR3 and it still will perform nicely.
Benchmark a octo-core with quad-channel 2133 and 3000 MHz DDR4 and it will show a difference in synthetic benchmarks but more or less nothing in real world usage.
Ok. Personally I'm somewhat consider the US. Much more variation than any single European country can provide and I'm not fully a citizen of all of them of course.
Problem with Norway and Denmark is that I would give up Swedish citizenship there. They only allow one normally. I don't know how marriage work.
I don't know if that affect my pension for instance. Then again the social system may be superior in Norway anyway so maybe that's nothing to bother with. I would want to be able to vote in Sweden. Also I guess I always have the option to pick up a Swedish citizenship due to heritage.
One reason to ditch Swedish one would be more restrictive and lame freedom of speech laws and then I could express more freely with no issues. If you don't you'll have to follow the laws of both countries =P
Economic reforms in what direction? Free economy? Swedish economy is very free too. There's this retarded belief in that Sweden would be socialist but of course it's really not. It's more of a liberal well-fare state.
Currently in denial of both it's people and it's own soverignity / country and border and such. Which is a weird thing.
There has been this debate over a guy from the restricted immigration party who have said that the sameish / north Norway - Sweden - Finland - Russia nomad tribes isn't Swedes and how the jews wasn't other.
What he talk about is of course cultural identities and ethnicities. He believe in "Swedes", and he also believes in samish people. He don't deny they exist. He allow them to exist and say that here in Sweden they are a unique people with special rights and who don't have to become Swedish. Because they are a people minority within the country and special as such.
But people cry all over the place because of that and act like he wouldn't want to have them in Sweden or whatever because "they aren't Swedes." But that's not what it is about.
It would be like accepting that the indians in the US may not want to be part of the US culture but be free to keep having their own.
It's a belief in ethnicity, cultural differences and people. Not denying it.
Imho if someone from Iceland or UK or even the US came to Sweden they could easily adopt because all countries run on the same basic fundation of reasoned laws and free individuals.
The problem with the people from the middle-east and Muslims especially is that their societies doesn't work as such and it's not what they are used to and some of them don't like having an open mind and not knowing how things is (whatever legal or physical) and find that a weird thing and want to have set rules which can't be bent.
But that's not how our societies work and they shouldn't either.
Some people go out and defend the Muslims and likely think they defend human rights but in at the same time they are supporting Islamists and fighting democracy, free ideas and equality.
I like how in the US the "hate against ethnicity group" (which sadly is even defined groups and I think it should be same human rights for all. To even try to split it up and make special rights for some is racist if anything. Also personally I don't give much care about what people say about some group they figure I belong to.. If people trash talk swedes, swedish democrats, vegans, nerds, whatever.. How much of a problem is that for me? If people insulted _ME_ I'd care. I know the reason is that hate against whole groups of people obviously has led to ethnical cleansing and such but on the other hand if you don't want such to happen don't mix people of differerent opinions together in the first place!! It happens because people want stability societies of equal minds not constant struggle. It's just stupid to ignore that. In the US the Bill of Rights go beyond that.)
I have no idea how socialist Iceland is. A guy in our boardgame group is studying to a.. doctor(?) here in Sweden. He's from Iceland / his mother is / something. They had moved to Stockholm or something.
But regardless, what he seem to suggest isn't that technology won't shrink and that you couldn't make more cores.
What he seem to suggest is that you're rather not use that to make more cores but rather make even better/bigger cores and caches.
No?
And maybe he's right. I mean. The Pentium IV was supposed to be able to go to 10 GHz! We had a real mega-hertz race going on then. And then that stopped and we got more cores instead. And maybe not people assume more cores is the future because that's what we've seen. But maybe he's right and it's hard to use that efficiently and that's not where we're going at all.
Off-topic as shit, I don't go AC anyway so I can read the reply.
From is born I guess. But living there may be correct enough. Where were you born? I'm born and living in Sweden but they are fucking it up. Actually thought about Iceland but it seem to just have grass.. Guess it's colder too. Likely more "fun" in Sweden even with all the fucking immigrants and Muslim invasion:(. Wish it stopped.
We take in more than Germany.. More refugees than the USA..
I'm born 1979 and back in 6th grade I was told by a class-mate that I should definitely pick German as the third language because I would had a huge benefit from that.
Now really any so far. I can't read it good enough to play a board game in German anyway...
This would be 1991-1992.
Then again Germany was the worlds third largest economy and I live in Sweden just beside it.. So guess it may have more of a local influence =P
Aren't we (Swede here) not just talking dialects of each other languages?
Swedish and Norwegian sounds very similar. Norwegian and Danish spell very similar.
Norwegians are best at both. Swedish is the largest one.
I think part of the reason is the wars.
Also I guess over hundreds of years small changes happen. Why would they merge into the same? And which one of them?
I can still read Danish pretty ok even though I've never learned the vocabulary (so it of course only work by searching for a similar word in Swedish and/or the situation where the word is used.)
Now Icelandic... =P (bunch of Scots/people from Britannia there too.)
I read earlier that Germany was the language of science things here in Europe but after the world war(s, whichever), UK and France wanted to take that from them / saw their opportunity.
So modern browsers are a disaster on 8 years old hardware with ram filled and 8GB filled of the swap space? I don't believe you...
... except IE do it way-way beyond that while Chrome 32-bit works ok up to like full ram and 16+ GB of swap (and Chrome 64-bit do so before 32-bit one do.)
The browsers? Yes? That's kinda the idea.. but in relation to each others.
Firefox loses out because it only runs one process (forgot to say that) and is 32-bit so stuck at 4 GB.
Why Chrome 64-bit act much worse than 32-bit I don't know for sure but the difference is huge. Chrome 64-bit act worse at less RAM usage than Chrome 32-bit.
IE I haven't bothered much with. Just get slower and slower for the little you add and in the end you give up and open Chrome anyway.
IE 10 - Shit. Firefox - This was the browser fooling around with tabs and blinking and shit. Machine never uses up more than 4 GB of RAM and 4 GB of swap but the browser act like shit and graphics become black and such. Turns out the build is 32 bit (As far as I understood there was no considering fully working 64 bit version as is.) Chrome 32 bit - Best by far Chrome 64 bit - Far from the one above for me.
As for "10 year old machine" - So what?
(Opera I guess is just wasted effort for the moment.. Kinda like IE 10.. and maybe evil minds would even dare say F...)
It's slow as fuck just with a few tabs (Athlon64 X2 6400+, 8 GB RAM) and after a while stop responding completely.
Unreliable and super poor performance.
In a related note: When I installed Windows 8.1 I assumed virtual memory worked much better in Windows than Linux because Chrome suddenly performed way better.
But then I've tried Chrome 64 bit at two different occasions and it's about as frustrating as it was in Linux.
For whatever reason Chrome 32 bit work well with say 15 GB of swap and don't load the HDD the whole time and work pretty well lastly with about 260 tabs.
The 64 bit version act like shit already at about 7 GB of swap and uses it much more / in some way which loads the HDD much more which. 80 tabs or so is pushing it when it starts to acting bad.
I could understand if the 64 bit version used more RAM but even before the RAM and swap usage has reached the same level the performance it way worse.
I assume that I got 64 bit Chrome in Linux (OpenSUSE AMD64) and that that was the reason rather than superior virtual memory management in Windows.
Firefox may start acting weird for me too. In some of my browsers they may start switching around between the windows for some time or infinity.
I do have some add-ons and of course that may affect things. On the other hand I don't really care why it act like shit. The terrible thing is it do.
32 bit chrome >>>> 64 bit chrome.
Google claim 64 bit Chrome is faster but I assume that's in computing. The RAM usage at least here is a disaster.
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Can't they produce what they are good at instead? Beef and porn or something?
Though I think beef is stupid and maybe the world should give them money to preserve the rain forest and then just let it be as such.
Tourism and huge "this was earth"-wild life&nature preserve?
Chimney dust?
Dirt?
State-supplied radio?
Precious balloon scraps from media deliveries from South Korea?
Hey, speak for yourself! I wrote a secure "hello world" once....
Did you checked and managed the return value?
Also if your parts max out at 80 watt rather than 160 if someone need more performance use two of them ..
It's the same with RAM.
Run a game on 4790K with DDR3 and it still will perform nicely.
Benchmark a octo-core with quad-channel 2133 and 3000 MHz DDR4 and it will show a difference in synthetic benchmarks but more or less nothing in real world usage.
And that's such a problem because a GTX 970 uses about 10% of the 16x PCI-express 3 BW?
(Maybe it was 20%, I think 10%. I don't know how SLI work but 8x is likely still plenty.)
Ok. Personally I'm somewhat consider the US. Much more variation than any single European country can provide and I'm not fully a citizen of all of them of course.
Problem with Norway and Denmark is that I would give up Swedish citizenship there. They only allow one normally. I don't know how marriage work.
I don't know if that affect my pension for instance. Then again the social system may be superior in Norway anyway so maybe that's nothing to bother with. I would want to be able to vote in Sweden. Also I guess I always have the option to pick up a Swedish citizenship due to heritage.
One reason to ditch Swedish one would be more restrictive and lame freedom of speech laws and then I could express more freely with no issues. If you don't you'll have to follow the laws of both countries =P
Economic reforms in what direction? Free economy? Swedish economy is very free too. There's this retarded belief in that Sweden would be socialist but of course it's really not. It's more of a liberal well-fare state.
Currently in denial of both it's people and it's own soverignity / country and border and such. Which is a weird thing.
There has been this debate over a guy from the restricted immigration party who have said that the sameish / north Norway - Sweden - Finland - Russia nomad tribes isn't Swedes and how the jews wasn't other.
What he talk about is of course cultural identities and ethnicities. He believe in "Swedes", and he also believes in samish people. He don't deny they exist. He allow them to exist and say that here in Sweden they are a unique people with special rights and who don't have to become Swedish. Because they are a people minority within the country and special as such.
But people cry all over the place because of that and act like he wouldn't want to have them in Sweden or whatever because "they aren't Swedes."
But that's not what it is about.
It would be like accepting that the indians in the US may not want to be part of the US culture but be free to keep having their own.
It's a belief in ethnicity, cultural differences and people. Not denying it.
Imho if someone from Iceland or UK or even the US came to Sweden they could easily adopt because all countries run on the same basic fundation of reasoned laws and free individuals.
The problem with the people from the middle-east and Muslims especially is that their societies doesn't work as such and it's not what they are used to and some of them don't like having an open mind and not knowing how things is (whatever legal or physical) and find that a weird thing and want to have set rules which can't be bent.
But that's not how our societies work and they shouldn't either.
Some people go out and defend the Muslims and likely think they defend human rights but in at the same time they are supporting Islamists and fighting democracy, free ideas and equality.
I like how in the US the "hate against ethnicity group" (which sadly is even defined groups and I think it should be same human rights for all. To even try to split it up and make special rights for some is racist if anything. Also personally I don't give much care about what people say about some group they figure I belong to.. If people trash talk swedes, swedish democrats, vegans, nerds, whatever.. How much of a problem is that for me? If people insulted _ME_ I'd care.
I know the reason is that hate against whole groups of people obviously has led to ethnical cleansing and such but on the other hand if you don't want such to happen don't mix people of differerent opinions together in the first place!! It happens because people want stability societies of equal minds not constant struggle.
It's just stupid to ignore that.
In the US the Bill of Rights go beyond that.)
I have no idea how socialist Iceland is. .. doctor(?) here in Sweden. He's from Iceland / his mother is / something. They had moved to Stockholm or something.
A guy in our boardgame group is studying to a
To begin with the Gates quote never was.
But regardless, what he seem to suggest isn't that technology won't shrink and that you couldn't make more cores.
What he seem to suggest is that you're rather not use that to make more cores but rather make even better/bigger cores and caches.
No?
And maybe he's right. I mean. The Pentium IV was supposed to be able to go to 10 GHz!
We had a real mega-hertz race going on then. And then that stopped and we got more cores instead.
And maybe not people assume more cores is the future because that's what we've seen. But maybe he's right and it's hard to use that efficiently and that's not where we're going at all.
I don't know :)
Off-topic as shit, I don't go AC anyway so I can read the reply.
From is born I guess. :(. Wish it stopped.
But living there may be correct enough.
Where were you born?
I'm born and living in Sweden but they are fucking it up. Actually thought about Iceland but it seem to just have grass.. Guess it's colder too. Likely more "fun" in Sweden even with all the fucking immigrants and Muslim invasion
We take in more than Germany.. More refugees than the USA..
Om jag ser islÃndska som ett skruttigt sprÃ¥k? ;)
NÃ¥gon tycker att islÃndska Ãr lÃttare Ãn svenska?
Are you from Iceland?
I'm born 1979 and back in 6th grade I was told by a class-mate that I should definitely pick German as the third language because I would had a huge benefit from that.
Now really any so far. I can't read it good enough to play a board game in German anyway...
This would be 1991-1992.
Then again Germany was the worlds third largest economy and I live in Sweden just beside it .. So guess it may have more of a local influence =P
Still quite a big thing in Europe ;)
"What about Arabic"? .. no..
Allah every second word.
Aren't we (Swede here) not just talking dialects of each other languages?
Swedish and Norwegian sounds very similar.
Norwegian and Danish spell very similar.
Norwegians are best at both.
Swedish is the largest one.
I think part of the reason is the wars.
Also I guess over hundreds of years small changes happen. Why would they merge into the same? And which one of them?
I can still read Danish pretty ok even though I've never learned the vocabulary (so it of course only work by searching for a similar word in Swedish and/or the situation where the word is used.)
Now Icelandic ... =P (bunch of Scots/people from Britannia there too.)
... or because they ruled half the world?
I read earlier that Germany was the language of science things here in Europe but after the world war(s, whichever), UK and France wanted to take that from them / saw their opportunity.
How long do you assume the 16 LY travel will take when you are comparing them?
Well.. I've tried to use kmail in KDE...
That was on an even worse machine but whatever. .. and then there's mutt. Or gmail.
So modern browsers are a disaster on 8 years old hardware with ram filled and 8GB filled of the swap space? I don't believe you...
... except IE do it way-way beyond that while Chrome 32-bit works ok up to like full ram and 16+ GB of swap
(and Chrome 64-bit do so before 32-bit one do.)
The browsers? Yes? That's kinda the idea.. but in relation to each others.
Firefox loses out because it only runs one process (forgot to say that) and is 32-bit so stuck at 4 GB.
Why Chrome 64-bit act much worse than 32-bit I don't know for sure but the difference is huge.
Chrome 64-bit act worse at less RAM usage than Chrome 32-bit.
IE I haven't bothered much with. Just get slower and slower for the little you add and in the end you give up and open Chrome anyway.
I continue with it.
Yeah. So.
IE 10 - Shit.
Firefox - This was the browser fooling around with tabs and blinking and shit. Machine never uses up more than 4 GB of RAM and 4 GB of swap but the browser act like shit and graphics become black and such. Turns out the build is 32 bit (As far as I understood there was no considering fully working 64 bit version as is.)
Chrome 32 bit - Best by far
Chrome 64 bit - Far from the one above for me.
As for "10 year old machine" - So what?
(Opera I guess is just wasted effort for the moment.. Kinda like IE 10.. and maybe evil minds would even dare say F...)
That's just propaganda of our puny enemies in the west.
Our great leader provides us with twice more than whatever it's you have and it all have horns.
Except IE is slow at like 15-25 tabs and get worse the whole time.
Chrome more instantly become shit and and the 64 bit version is way worse than the 32 bit one.
It's slow as fuck just with a few tabs (Athlon64 X2 6400+, 8 GB RAM) and after a while stop responding completely.
Unreliable and super poor performance.
In a related note:
When I installed Windows 8.1 I assumed virtual memory worked much better in Windows than Linux because Chrome suddenly performed way better.
But then I've tried Chrome 64 bit at two different occasions and it's about as frustrating as it was in Linux.
For whatever reason Chrome 32 bit work well with say 15 GB of swap and don't load the HDD the whole time and work pretty well lastly with about 260 tabs.
The 64 bit version act like shit already at about 7 GB of swap and uses it much more / in some way which loads the HDD much more which. 80 tabs or so is pushing it when it starts to acting bad.
I could understand if the 64 bit version used more RAM but even before the RAM and swap usage has reached the same level the performance it way worse.
I assume that I got 64 bit Chrome in Linux (OpenSUSE AMD64) and that that was the reason rather than superior virtual memory management in Windows.
Firefox may start acting weird for me too. In some of my browsers they may start switching around between the windows for some time or infinity.
I do have some add-ons and of course that may affect things. On the other hand I don't really care why it act like shit. The terrible thing is it do.
32 bit chrome >>>> 64 bit chrome.
Google claim 64 bit Chrome is faster but I assume that's in computing. The RAM usage at least here is a disaster.
So wanna marry so I can get my citizenship?
/ Swedish male at somewhat worse years (35)
(I use OSS when it's viable. However, I also need to get work done.)
That's up to you I guess..
Not really relevant for the rest of us who don't pick the shitty alternative.
Hardly GPU overlords.
I don't care if the driver is open-source.
Nvidia = better.