Yep, this is true. I got his by a kid going WAY too fast, and I got the Camas Fire Department to cut me out of my Honda, and a few days later, I got a bill for almost $700.
But that was for 6 guys for 3 hours. Pretty inexpensive if you ask me. I was debating on hiring them out at the same rate to help me move.:)
You only fail if you've stopped trying. I find several distro's quite useful and I've put a few friends and families on Ubuntu and they say they'll never turn back to windows because of the rock solid reliability and lack of virus', spyware, and cost. Linux is doing quite well. Of course, there's always room for improvement, but to say it has failed is incorrect.
Actually it does say it's a guaranteed right. It uses the example: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State" and states "the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
So, wait. There's new training involved? I thought that's the main argument that Microsoft used against Linux in it's TCO campaign?? Microsoft lied! My feelings are now hurt! My world is crumbling around me! I'm currently beta testing Vista on a couple of workstations here at work and it's got some nice features, but the insane amount of CPU horsepower it requires to run decently is amazing.
Quick question. Mod me as an idiot, but why couldn't he write a script that updates the desktops software to whatever version that is current? For example, if everyone's running firefox, next time they login, couldn't a script be ran to install firefox silently? Most, if not all, software that I've seen has some sort of silent install. The SUS server could probably stay if he didn't want to totally convert. I'm just curious because just about everything in my server room is Linux based, and I do all of my stuff through scripts instead of paying for another service. Of course, he could start out small, say only replace 1 or 2 servers with Linux, such as the print server or something simple like that. That way, if something does fail horribly, he can revert to his old setup rather quickly and not have 200 people breathing down his neck.
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't this work well for other immune system diseases such as HIV??? I thought about this years ago, but no one ever told me one way or another.
While I agree with your arguement, I have a counterpoint. We get a non-profit discount on Windows 2003 Server at $40 and I still wouldn't go back to windows. Say what you will about Linux being difficult and while you are correct, once it's all set up the way you want, you'll never have to touch it. I have nightly updates run as a cron job, I check for a few things from time to time, but for the most part, once linux is set up, you don't have to touch it. I now don't have virus problems running through my servers (which in of itself is reason enough to switch) I don't have to worry about stability issues. If a linux machine is cut off the network for any reason, I can simply plug it back in or restart the service. My users don't have to reboot their machines to reconnect (as it did with windows) You're argument is quite valid and I was in your shoes less then a year ago, but give linux a chance on a server that doesn't do much in your environment (say a minor print server) and see how it works out for you. It'll be one less machine you have to worry about. I did and now all our machines run linux.
I switched my company over from Win2k Server's to Linux and everything's worked ever since. Yes, there were things that I didn't know. Yes, there were snags, but I am of the mind that "if I don't know it, someone else might, so I'll ask for help" Come on! Google, Linuxquestions.org, these 2 sites have made my transition, although rocky at times, much easier. Linux just works. I don't have virus' running rampant through my servers, I don't have crashes regularly, I don't have any of the problems normally associated with Windows. I've got so many examples of how Linux has worked better then expected, it's not even funny. I think you are all right though, the problem doesn't sound like a Linux issue, it sounds like a personnel issue.
Hey, this is slightly off subject, but last night I was watching the new Star Wars DVD and during the scene where Luke and Han Solo were at the gunners station in the millenium falcon shooting at tie fighters (I believe it's after they escape the death star and obi wan's killed), one of the tie's flys by and has a GREEN FUCKING BOX around it! Looks like someone at ILM didn't clean that up! Anyone else get this problem??
I haven't read the article, but here's a question to ponder: When was the last time a virus ran rampant through your Linux servers? I know I had a hell of a time when my users would save a file, it'd be infected, and it's run through the network faster then Taco Bell through me. Now that we're on Linux, I don't have NEARLY the same issues that I did with Windows. My uptimes are in months, instead of days or weeks, my users have a stable environment, and best of all, it's free. So anyone can spread all the FUD they want, but the bottom line is that Linux has more then proven itself to be a world class OS that's immune to a lot of the problems that Windows suffers from. And best of all? I can feel my hair growing back in places where I previously ripped it out!:)
For making Firestarter. I personally cannot tell you how much time and energy that little program helped me out. Especially since I was a Linux newbie at the time.
Not to start an argument here, but Bush isn't the only person that makes laws happen. It's congress that votes on the laws and passes them. Bush merely signs them into law or vetos them. He may introduce legislation, but he isn't a king to pass laws that he sees fit. Personally, I have my job because I have the technical and people skills to keep it. Dell found out quickly that simply saving money isn't going to make things better for you (tech's who have thick accents, reading from script, don't know jack) Anyways, just my 2 cents.
This is the kind of thing that is irritating as an American. Other countries get all pissed when we police the world, then ASK us to intervene when a country is in trouble (Liberia, Haiti, to name a few recently) We give BILLIONS to these countries every year and all they do is spew out hate. If you don't want us to police your country, then don't ask. Also, if you don't like us or want our help, I wouldn't mind using that money for our own problems internally. If you have a problem with the government, attack the government. Don't attack office buildings where innocent people are just minding their own business. That goes for us to.
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Yep, this is true. I got his by a kid going WAY too fast, and I got the Camas Fire Department to cut me out of my Honda, and a few days later, I got a bill for almost $700. But that was for 6 guys for 3 hours. Pretty inexpensive if you ask me. I was debating on hiring them out at the same rate to help me move. :)
You only fail if you've stopped trying. I find several distro's quite useful and I've put a few friends and families on Ubuntu and they say they'll never turn back to windows because of the rock solid reliability and lack of virus', spyware, and cost. Linux is doing quite well. Of course, there's always room for improvement, but to say it has failed is incorrect.
Actually it does say it's a guaranteed right. It uses the example: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State" and states "the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
So, wait. There's new training involved? I thought that's the main argument that Microsoft used against Linux in it's TCO campaign?? Microsoft lied! My feelings are now hurt! My world is crumbling around me! I'm currently beta testing Vista on a couple of workstations here at work and it's got some nice features, but the insane amount of CPU horsepower it requires to run decently is amazing.
Quick question. Mod me as an idiot, but why couldn't he write a script that updates the desktops software to whatever version that is current? For example, if everyone's running firefox, next time they login, couldn't a script be ran to install firefox silently? Most, if not all, software that I've seen has some sort of silent install. The SUS server could probably stay if he didn't want to totally convert. I'm just curious because just about everything in my server room is Linux based, and I do all of my stuff through scripts instead of paying for another service. Of course, he could start out small, say only replace 1 or 2 servers with Linux, such as the print server or something simple like that. That way, if something does fail horribly, he can revert to his old setup rather quickly and not have 200 people breathing down his neck.
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't this work well for other immune system diseases such as HIV??? I thought about this years ago, but no one ever told me one way or another.
While I agree with your arguement, I have a counterpoint. We get a non-profit discount on Windows 2003 Server at $40 and I still wouldn't go back to windows. Say what you will about Linux being difficult and while you are correct, once it's all set up the way you want, you'll never have to touch it. I have nightly updates run as a cron job, I check for a few things from time to time, but for the most part, once linux is set up, you don't have to touch it. I now don't have virus problems running through my servers (which in of itself is reason enough to switch) I don't have to worry about stability issues. If a linux machine is cut off the network for any reason, I can simply plug it back in or restart the service. My users don't have to reboot their machines to reconnect (as it did with windows) You're argument is quite valid and I was in your shoes less then a year ago, but give linux a chance on a server that doesn't do much in your environment (say a minor print server) and see how it works out for you. It'll be one less machine you have to worry about. I did and now all our machines run linux.
I switched my company over from Win2k Server's to Linux and everything's worked ever since. Yes, there were things that I didn't know. Yes, there were snags, but I am of the mind that "if I don't know it, someone else might, so I'll ask for help" Come on! Google, Linuxquestions.org, these 2 sites have made my transition, although rocky at times, much easier. Linux just works. I don't have virus' running rampant through my servers, I don't have crashes regularly, I don't have any of the problems normally associated with Windows. I've got so many examples of how Linux has worked better then expected, it's not even funny. I think you are all right though, the problem doesn't sound like a Linux issue, it sounds like a personnel issue.
Hey, this is slightly off subject, but last night I was watching the new Star Wars DVD and during the scene where Luke and Han Solo were at the gunners station in the millenium falcon shooting at tie fighters (I believe it's after they escape the death star and obi wan's killed), one of the tie's flys by and has a GREEN FUCKING BOX around it! Looks like someone at ILM didn't clean that up! Anyone else get this problem??
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I haven't read the article, but here's a question to ponder: When was the last time a virus ran rampant through your Linux servers? I know I had a hell of a time when my users would save a file, it'd be infected, and it's run through the network faster then Taco Bell through me. Now that we're on Linux, I don't have NEARLY the same issues that I did with Windows. My uptimes are in months, instead of days or weeks, my users have a stable environment, and best of all, it's free. So anyone can spread all the FUD they want, but the bottom line is that Linux has more then proven itself to be a world class OS that's immune to a lot of the problems that Windows suffers from. And best of all? I can feel my hair growing back in places where I previously ripped it out! :)
For making Firestarter. I personally cannot tell you how much time and energy that little program helped me out. Especially since I was a Linux newbie at the time.
Not to start an argument here, but Bush isn't the only person that makes laws happen. It's congress that votes on the laws and passes them. Bush merely signs them into law or vetos them. He may introduce legislation, but he isn't a king to pass laws that he sees fit. Personally, I have my job because I have the technical and people skills to keep it. Dell found out quickly that simply saving money isn't going to make things better for you (tech's who have thick accents, reading from script, don't know jack) Anyways, just my 2 cents.
This is the kind of thing that is irritating as an American. Other countries get all pissed when we police the world, then ASK us to intervene when a country is in trouble (Liberia, Haiti, to name a few recently) We give BILLIONS to these countries every year and all they do is spew out hate. If you don't want us to police your country, then don't ask. Also, if you don't like us or want our help, I wouldn't mind using that money for our own problems internally. If you have a problem with the government, attack the government. Don't attack office buildings where innocent people are just minding their own business. That goes for us to.