You know, that limiting, ancient paradigm that led to the microcomputer revolution because it sucked so bad?
You mean the paradigm where data and apps are stored centrally, and some intelligence (like simple data verification) is passed out to the edge?
Seriously, Dozens-of-web-servers-in-a-DC+AJAX+browser is the pendulum swinging back to the mainframe-in-a-DC+COBOL+CICS+3270 paradigm that we-who-are-old-enough derided as horribly ancient and dinosaurish.
The reason that this paradigm survived and is returning is because it it extremely resource-efficient, with a mainframe being able to support a huge multiple more users than a similarly-powered minicomputer.
Sorry, to bust your cynical bubble, but I've seen too many scientists close the book on a lifetime of research when the tests don't pan out.
Excellent.
I'm going to presume that these people are in the "hard" (a.k.a. real) sciences, where you can't easily get away with unscientific behavior as much as you can in the "soft" sciences.
But you live in your little world were scientists rub their hands together and join in a global conspiracy to keep the truth hidden.
You need to read my statement a bit more carefully.
C was NEVER OK for business apps. Those who thought/still think it was/is have been unfamiliar with solid business programming tools like COBOL.
Amen, brother, amen.
It's as simple as BCD vs. floating point. You must jump thru hoops to ensure that rounding errors don't seep into your fp calculations, but accurate decimal calculations are built-into BCD data types.
Just as important are C's null-terminated strings. They are a pain when reading and writing fixed-length records, requiring memset, strncpy, etc, etc, and error-prone.
COBOL, otoh, was designed to make these nuts-and-bolts problems not even exist.
We shouldn't care which theory wins out or what we gain from the knowledge. We should only care about which model most resembles what is real and measurable.
Yes, that's what scientists should care about.
But if you've built a life and well-known career based on something that appears to just have been invalidated, the typical human reaction isn't to accept it, and say, "oh well, time to cancel all my grants, give up my professorship, and start over, even though I'm 50 and have spent 1/2 my life 'studying' string theory".
no - the problem is that no one wants to be paid minimum wage to program COBOL
No, the problem is CompSci snobbery and VERY poor textbooks that went thru all sorts of contortions to be GOTO-less.
COBOL-74 had excellent capabilities for creating very structured, COBOL-85 even more. And "88" variables are just wonderful for decomplicating hairy IF statements.
The BSDs share a lot of code, so they can be collapsed into one. The likelihood of OpenSolaris running well of such low-strength chips is low. Thus, the list is small.
Off the top of my head.
What other "non-X" developers are salivating over these docs?
DirectFB, ReactOS, Haiku, Syllable, Plan9
Excellent point. But these are supported by few developers, whose resources are probably aimed elsewhere. Except maybe Plan9, since it was fully-developed at Bell Labs.
No company in their right mind wants to exclude a potential sale unless there is money to be made elsewhere from that exclusion.
Not true. A very common reason for excluding sales from a certain market segment is that "cost of sales/development" or "cost of support" is too high to make the sale profitable.
If "doing the job right" costs too much for penny-pinching bean counters, then it's very conceivable that buggy Linux-related code was let out into the wild.
Ah, our new drastical different risk-adverse overlords.
Drastically different???
Starting 30 years (since the asbestos lawsuits were first filed against Johns-Manville), the US has been ruled by risk-adverse overlords, and it's killing us.
Choosing the filesystem on my 4TB RAID-6 array is gonna be a huge dilemma but I'll have to make a decision in the next couple of days when my drives come in....
What kind of files will you be putting on it? If video, choose XFS, and attach you system to a good UPS.
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You know, that limiting, ancient paradigm that led to the microcomputer revolution because it sucked so bad?
You mean the paradigm where data and apps are stored centrally, and some intelligence (like simple data verification) is passed out to the edge?
Seriously, Dozens-of-web-servers-in-a-DC+AJAX+browser is the pendulum swinging back to the mainframe-in-a-DC+COBOL+CICS+3270 paradigm that we-who-are-old-enough derided as horribly ancient and dinosaurish.
The reason that this paradigm survived and is returning is because it it extremely resource-efficient, with a mainframe being able to support a huge multiple more users than a similarly-powered minicomputer.
I'll bet this software requires a client app installed on any user's machine.
You're joking, right?
These are 35-40 YEAR OLD MAINFRAMES. California is probably still using 3270 terminals, or PCs with IRMA boards.
Sorry, to bust your cynical bubble, but I've seen too many scientists close the book on a lifetime of research when the tests don't pan out.
Excellent.
I'm going to presume that these people are in the "hard" (a.k.a. real) sciences, where you can't easily get away with unscientific behavior as much as you can in the "soft" sciences.
But you live in your little world were scientists rub their hands together and join in a global conspiracy to keep the truth hidden.
You need to read my statement a bit more carefully.
C was NEVER OK for business apps. Those who thought/still think it was/is have been unfamiliar with solid business programming tools like COBOL.
Amen, brother, amen.
It's as simple as BCD vs. floating point. You must jump thru hoops to ensure that rounding errors don't seep into your fp calculations, but accurate decimal calculations are built-into BCD data types.
Just as important are C's null-terminated strings. They are a pain when reading and writing fixed-length records, requiring memset, strncpy, etc, etc, and error-prone.
COBOL, otoh, was designed to make these nuts-and-bolts problems not even exist.
We shouldn't care which theory wins out or what we gain from the knowledge. We should only care about which model most resembles what is real and measurable.
Yes, that's what scientists should care about.
But if you've built a life and well-known career based on something that appears to just have been invalidated, the typical human reaction isn't to accept it, and say, "oh well, time to cancel all my grants, give up my professorship, and start over, even though I'm 50 and have spent 1/2 my life 'studying' string theory".
no - the problem is that no one wants to be paid minimum wage to program COBOL
No, the problem is CompSci snobbery and VERY poor textbooks that went thru all sorts of contortions to be GOTO-less.
COBOL-74 had excellent capabilities for creating very structured, COBOL-85 even more. And "88" variables are just wonderful for decomplicating hairy IF statements.
what does Freddie Mercury have to do with Uranus?
I can't tell if you're serious or continuing the joke.
Welte eats vendors for breakfast. Hiring him grants VIA instant credibility.
It also distracts him from GPL-Violations.org.
It's a really short list.
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFly BSD, ReactOS, OpenSolaris, Haiku, Syllable, Plan9
The BSDs share a lot of code, so they can be collapsed into one. The likelihood of OpenSolaris running well of such low-strength chips is low. Thus, the list is small.
Off the top of my head.
What other "non-X" developers are salivating over these docs?
DirectFB, ReactOS, Haiku, Syllable, Plan9
Excellent point. But these are supported by few developers, whose resources are probably aimed elsewhere. Except maybe Plan9, since it was fully-developed at Bell Labs.
that has more sense than San Francisco: Louisiana!
No company in their right mind wants to exclude a potential sale unless there is money to be made elsewhere from that exclusion.
Not true. A very common reason for excluding sales from a certain market segment is that "cost of sales/development" or "cost of support" is too high to make the sale profitable.
If "doing the job right" costs too much for penny-pinching bean counters, then it's very conceivable that buggy Linux-related code was let out into the wild.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
try imagining the Viet Nam war with predators roaming in the air equipped with that thermal camera.
I'm pretty sure that the tri-layer canopy would have absorbed human body heat.
the job of the military is to kill, period.
Without getting yourself and your years of training killed, and your $15M airplane shot out from under you.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
I wonder what scientist will disect? Biologist or zoologist
Not very many Giant Squid have taken enough schooling to become biologists or zoologists.
I prefer organic calamari
As opposed to inorganic calamari?
Ah, our new drastical different risk-adverse overlords.
Drastically different???
Starting 30 years (since the asbestos lawsuits were first filed against Johns-Manville), the US has been ruled by risk-adverse overlords, and it's killing us.
Choosing the filesystem on my 4TB RAID-6 array is gonna be a huge dilemma but I'll have to make a decision in the next couple of days when my drives come in....
What kind of files will you be putting on it? If video, choose XFS, and attach you system to a good UPS.
Yet another clueless idiot babbling about stuff real scientists have devoted their lives to investigating.
Argumentum ad verecundiam doesn't impress me very much.
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#authority
ie. white folk, instead of brown folk.
You must not realize how many brown folk live in the US.
My Mac doesn't have any character video modes, so the only way you can get a console without X is virtually via a FB.
So that's one good reason desktop users need an fb!
I believe your FreeBSD/NetBSD/etc are vaguely equivalent to Debian/Fedora/etc.
I'm not sure where exactly you're going with that
What he(?) means is that just as {Free,Net,Open}BSD are complete operating systems, so are Linux distros like Debian, Fedora, etc.
They have still not enabled mode switching in the intelfb driver on laptops
Do any desktops really need a fb, or is it only so that there can be pretty pictures during boot, before [xkg]dm starts?
Awww crap, 1.20 is out.
Must you upgrade to v1.20?
it will not work after a brown out
UPS. And I don't mean the package delivery service.