Its only illegal if they can catch you, and prove you did it in lieu of the ad-creators.
I'd just use public proxies and trojaned machines to bounce what I think might be construed as illegal. You think when I post as AnonyCoward, I use the same IP:source ?
---Sorry, if people were pirating PS2 games, Sony lost revenue, the publishers lost revenue, the developers lost revenue, and everyone in the distribution chain lost revenue. Saying otherwise is attempting a semantic argument to justify the desire to have free entertainment. Free entertainment, for god's sake. Very justifiable - I can see how it's moral to be able to play a game without compensating the enormous number of people who worked to make it. Obviously they deserve nothing because they work in a digital medium.
You know, the same would apply if I just didnt buy any of their stuff? Sony would lose revenue, developers would lose revenue, and everyone in the distribution chain would lose revenue. Does not buying Sony stuff make you bad, because those people wouldnt have your money? Hmmm?
---I don't know, I think he is going more for a "fun" angle. Lets face it, without even the basics of electronics, going to digital circuits is tricky at best.
Too true, though I was thinking more on the lines of basic circuits, usage of a serial port, parallel port, and other simple older computer functions. I can think of some nifty projects for parallel and serial: Make your own game controller, sending text to those propeller-led text devices (and making it), designing from schematic a mp3 player for an altoids tin. And just look at all the projects that are rat shack part listed so it's easy to order and build.
And to mention building boards, how about teaching soldering technique? My dad can microsolder with a standard iron and a small tip. For a while, he was modding PSX's (yep, the little cpu pads)
---That being said, I would recommend a Basic Stamp from http://www.parallax.com/. While their chips are not the fastest, cheapest, or fully featured they offer EXCLELENT learning tools, books as well as a wealth of free code. There are plenty of robot kits you can get and easy to plug in designs. You can quite possibly even get a bulk discount for a school.
Thats the problem, I tend to think these are too complex for high schoolers, at first. If the school doesnt have any tech classes like this, going into microcontrollers would be a mistake. Legos would be a good start, and then you could teach analog, then perhaps in the next year, digital. There's just soo much stuff you could concentrate on that has much value. Analog would teach these kids about signal and how it flows and is modified. Figuring it out would also require use of a oscilloscope, and would take quite some time.
---To be honest, I would rather have a class where the first half of the semester is designing AND building your radio. (Preferably FM) I learned microcontrollers first before I learned anything about analog components and a radio is the best way to teach that.
No, teaching basic EM theory would be best, in that they could tether any means of communication to talk to their circuits. Once you have an input path, all neato things are possible. We can do 1-wire, serial, usb, radio, ir/photoresistor, led, and a few more types on the cheap.
If you dont use something simple like Legos and their language, it'll go over all their heads. Most of these kids you'll teach probably wont have a mastery of algebra, let alone have the mental concept of complex systems like robotics. There's always a few that do, but they'd benefit from an extracurricular group after school.
You'd be best teaching how a computer works (from ground up), how circuits work, basic circuit theory, and basic radio theory.
Building computers from junk parts, and installing Linux would teach them a lot. Understanding how to use a 555 timer with other basic inputs would teach them how to control input to output, along with basic principles of common "parts". Radio theory could teach that all signals are EM, and given proper parts, we can listen and create them. Show how to build a crystal am radio and then turn it into a transmitter. Apply to current theory.
---We'd take one look at the PC, one look at the motherboard replacement, see that they were identical, see that the OS wasn't installing with the appropriate key which was on the side of the PC...
---Then I'd install an activation crack and be done with it.
WTF are you doing that for? Make the customer do that.
---I'm not going to spend 2 hours on hold for Microsoft to BS me about how I, as a repair technician, have to tell a customer that they, microsoft, lied and misled them.
Why not? Let the customer know it will be 200$ for the software, since the MS-OS is not authorized for this motherboard, which the EULA demands.
---I COULD just hand the PC to the customer and tell them they need to activate it with Microsoft, which is their responsability which technically it is. But they will come right back, like a scared animal, and start complaining about how they got assrammed without lube by MS. Or worse, they'll take their anger out on me. Either way, I get fucked, MS gets money.
No, you're the problem. Would this practice be supported by say.. the medical profession? You'd be disbarred and sued for illegal conduct under profession.
---Is it a violation of the TOS? Well, here's a question; If a company sells a software package with an EULA, and that EULA states they have the right to install it on any PC or have repairs done to it by a authorized repair center with OEM hardware, and then they don't fallow through on that then technically, they are in violation of their own EULA. If Microsoft is in violation of their own software contract for failure to ensure the software can be installed, then this customer is owed some form of remedy. I realize that and work a bypass. Am I violating the TOS? You better believe I am, but I'm also covering Microsofts scrawny ass. I'm doing everyone a favor.
Do as required by your contract with the customer and make software crap no more difficult for them than it would be.
---They can call me up later when they do a restoration or reinstall themselves and run into the same problem, then they can connect up with microsoft and a Microsoft representantive can get yelled at and more importantly, Microsoft can look bad. That way the ass-chewing goes to the proper people with the power to do somethnig about it.
Wait till the customer does that anti-pirater program and finds out that YOU JIPPED THEM. I install that program on every machine I maintain, so customers know I didnt screw them. Of course, when they want me to pirate MSOffice, I steer them towards the price of MSOffice and Open Office. Guess what the users choose.
---I'v got a bottom line to uphold and it's hard enough in the world of disposable PC's to make a living doing repairs; you've got to be at the top of your game. I'm not going to start telling customers "hey, the $200 work on a $600 PC is done, I attempted an OS reinstall and it turns out Microsoft has decided that you need to repurchase the OS for another $200". That's rediculous.
Thats the cost of the "game" MS wants. And if you want more money, get some maintenance contracts and start making home theater systems for the local richies. Also, people would like those car-puters too, if it was installed pretty. And to encourage/discourage Windows usage, provide prices of Linux+Hardware vs. Windows+Hardware. Time can be computed within hardware (as I do, Im proficient with Win/Lin).
---For the record, you'd better believe I'v refused to do installs of pirated copies of windows. I'v get people coming upto me all the time and asking if I can use this CD-key here, on this piece of paper, to do it then hand the computer back to them. That always turns into a mess; I require either the holographic sticker or booklet with CD-key. It's when they have that and it still doesn't work I begin having problems.
Working in the computer industry requires fairness and consistency. To not do that will eventually drive your customers to me (which isnt that bad of a thing, mind you). I used to work f
---I don't really think that's the case there. _They_ have in effect a virtually limitless budget and they could easily build and launch themselves a dedicated satellite that does exactly what they need it to do. If you don't already know about it, get Celestia at sourceforge and then get one of the satellite add-on packages for it. If you load that up you'll see there are in effect more "military" satellites up there than civilian ones and some of them have really peculiar orbits.
Well, Celestia isnt terribly good in my opinion for correcting all the kepelerian elements. I prefer orbitron, as it also controls my rotors. (I am a ham who's in satellite). With orbitron, it also tries to narrow out freq's for those "hidden spysats". My worry is that the spysats are uwb or crazy-channel shifting (well, multiple bands sifting).
---With amateur astronomers and other sat hobbyists monitoring orbiting objects I don't think it wouldn't do for them to hijack such a prominent piece of hardware as especially the sat people could at least detect the amount of tdrss traffic from Hubble and they'd have to find more excuses for the orbit monitoring people if they moved the satellite.
I wonder, is the ISS in the same boat? Is it encrypted links to/from earth?
---I don't know for sure _what_ they are hiding from us but I do know the _why_ of NASA secrecy especially when it comes to screening what should be completely innocous data like Hubble images: Whatever is potentially out there could be paradigm shattering and they certainly don't need that.
Well, it could be as simple if they didnt really get to the moon. They'd have to keep the data to themselves, and by that means controlling all ways to "see the moon". What would be neat would be if there was a detection of ETIs.. Then again, it would happen never the less.
Well, I have a sneaking suspicion that there's military activity going on there. Im not one to spout "i saw teh UFOS" or some of the wacko-shit.
I betcha hubble's a testbed for sat-killers and laser weapontry, along with other tests I cant think of right now. Also, with the right frequency, couldnt the hubble pierce water to "see" submarines? It'd be nice for a high bandwidth viewing of a sub for military data, but Hubble claims they cant aim it as the Earth (yeah right).
They could have stayed completely transparent by signing each transaction with a NASA private key. That would allow only operators to command, and everybody else to watch.
PKI is well known, and is proven mathematically. The only reason to encrypt is to hide from "Eve"... Us.
I guess when you look at it, Capitalism just doesnt work.. Of course the other choices work worse (communism, socialism, and facism).
And if I remember correctly, there was an earlier story about Wal-Mart and comodity goods: they tested by raising prices on certain commodity goods and saw no change in buying patterns. It seems peoples prefrences were stronger than the price increase, so Wal-mart is rolling out this kind of geographical discriminate pricing (between 2 low income counties that have different prefrences). Kind of evil, but nonetheless legal. I guess it pisses me off about Wal-Mart how they used to give back to communities, but now they do not at all. After Sam died, the company changed. Really changed.
And as a note, I wasnt trolling here, as I usually post a troll as a near-FP with the oposite what the moderators/Story poster want, yet at the same time, hard to refute. You know, blatant stuff like that and all.
Well, you really oughtta read my journal. Problem is Im a known troll, and many people dont like that.
That and also people have low intelligence and retention spans. If they understood, they would understand that Corporations pay no taxes, no fines, and no other forms of monetary penalties. Thats because it's offloaded to the customers every time.
You keep using "Shit hot admin". Ill assume you mean "Worth a steaming pile of..."
---For 200 workstations you need but 1 shit hot linu admin / developer. These guys do exist I am one of them, but not cheap I may add. Ok now this is one cream of the crop linux dude you have here and you have to pay him well so lets just say you fork out 70 - 80K for such a guy. Now a windows shop you could probably make do with two people(MCSE types) for 50 K so we are at a net gain so far of 20K at the worst not including benefits and such.
If you need more than 1 admin for 200 users, you're pretty sad. If you need 2 or more, you probably hired "MCSEs", who arent known for their intelligence. Given that Windows pretty much requires reinstalls on stupid bugs, that reinforces the apparent lack of know-how.
---Ok so now let's build out the enterprise.. ---1. We buy our pc's from cdw just like everyone else in the world and they come preloaded with XP pro. Ok fine we will just run that why reimage the box and it will do for our needs.
Erm, ok. I'd prefer someplace that doesnt whisk Window on you, but if you pay for it, whatever.
---2. Shit hot admin loads a fairly hefty server that we plunked down close to 10K on so we subtract the 10K from the net gain we still got 10K left....loads umbuntu server
Ok, 10k sounds like a starting end server. Try a iSCSI san with multiple load points (with cheaper machines). DRBD with more lower end machines would guarantee better uptimes. Still, I laugh my ass off when you suggest you run "Umbuntu". I dont prefer Debian UNSTABLE on anything that resembles a server.
---3. Shit hot admin does a apt-get for samba now we have full file and print sharing, spends rest of day configuring and getting that ready...ok subtract cals not sure what the net gain is but say 5K sounds like a good number.
And you most likely broke Samba again. Like I said, Debian Unstable does not play with servers and critical architecture well. And, since you're using a Linux server, CALs are not needed. They are only needed when you use a MS server product (it does not matter what client you use).
---4. Shit hot admin on the next day configures samba to do print to pdf conversion and spends a hour on a python script to feed the converted documents to the users email accounts. Now we don't need distiller at 600 dollars per desk.
Who needs Adobe Distiller at each desk? Anyways, OO is good enough.
---5. Shit hot admin loads OO on all desktops net gain $600 dollars per seat times 200, since we did not have to buy office.
But we send you uneditable PDFs anyways. Loser.
---6. Next you cannot run a company without a database server, shit hot admin loads mysql and postgres on the same box, along with this the appropriate web interfaces. I have not checked ms sql prices lately with enough licenses to connect 200 users but I am sure it is substantial.
2 DB's make the machine twice as fast!!!!! dee dee deee.
---7. Oh wait we need a erp system, shit hot admin goes out to source forge and grabs compiere. Now we have a full featured erp system for the cost of a download. I don't know if you have priced erp systems lately but again the cost is substantial 10's, 100's of thousands of dollars for a group this size.
Wow. You, sir, are an idiot. ERP's cost 100's of thousands of dollars due to extreme customization tailored for that business. Downloading a general package does not count.
---8. Mail would be nice, lets go out and get a copy of zimbra, now we got both web mail and outlook connectivity.
If you didnt already migrate that from whatever they had before, you probably are already fired.
---9. Intranet portal, hundreds to choose from so we choose download and fire up apache, jboss or what have you.
Might as well make it a Wiki, as far as you're concerned. oooh! WikiFinancial! Modify to tell the SEC what you want to make!
What do we care. There's no proof but your say-so. And, you have no credibility (ESR, Linus, Stallman all have credibility to say what you said).
---my mothertongue is not English. How is your Dutch ? Your French ? Your German ? Thought so, knob...
Well, you are on a predominantly english speaking board, so demeaning others who correct your bad english is quite stupid. If you cannot write the language intelligibly, how are we going to decipher your meaning? There's plenty of other posts to read.
Mass media would be gone for a while, but come back while adapting to the new rules. Perhaps thats what these media associations need: a kick in the balls.
Slashdot Mirror
"So easy a caveman could do it"
---I come for the community
Nice to know im loved.
wait... (looks at freak list). Guess not.
NEXT
Its only illegal if they can catch you, and prove you did it in lieu of the ad-creators.
I'd just use public proxies and trojaned machines to bounce what I think might be construed as illegal. You think when I post as AnonyCoward, I use the same IP:source ?
A "Ilikebees" kind of stealth advertising.
I always knew that advertisers wanted eyeballs, but wouldnt think they'd gunk up a free vid site. Guess thats just high bandwidth spammers.
My eyes are going bad just looking at that block of text.
Nope, sorry, aint gonna read it.
---Sorry, if people were pirating PS2 games, Sony lost revenue, the publishers lost revenue, the developers lost revenue, and everyone in the distribution chain lost revenue. Saying otherwise is attempting a semantic argument to justify the desire to have free entertainment. Free entertainment, for god's sake. Very justifiable - I can see how it's moral to be able to play a game without compensating the enormous number of people who worked to make it. Obviously they deserve nothing because they work in a digital medium.
You know, the same would apply if I just didnt buy any of their stuff? Sony would lose revenue, developers would lose revenue, and everyone in the distribution chain would lose revenue. Does not buying Sony stuff make you bad, because those people wouldnt have your money? Hmmm?
---I don't know, I think he is going more for a "fun" angle. Lets face it, without even the basics of electronics, going to digital circuits is tricky at best.
Too true, though I was thinking more on the lines of basic circuits, usage of a serial port, parallel port, and other simple older computer functions. I can think of some nifty projects for parallel and serial: Make your own game controller, sending text to those propeller-led text devices (and making it), designing from schematic a mp3 player for an altoids tin. And just look at all the projects that are rat shack part listed so it's easy to order and build.
And to mention building boards, how about teaching soldering technique? My dad can microsolder with a standard iron and a small tip. For a while, he was modding PSX's (yep, the little cpu pads)
---That being said, I would recommend a Basic Stamp from http://www.parallax.com/. While their chips are not the fastest, cheapest, or fully featured they offer EXCLELENT learning tools, books as well as a wealth of free code. There are plenty of robot kits you can get and easy to plug in designs. You can quite possibly even get a bulk discount for a school.
Thats the problem, I tend to think these are too complex for high schoolers, at first. If the school doesnt have any tech classes like this, going into microcontrollers would be a mistake. Legos would be a good start, and then you could teach analog, then perhaps in the next year, digital. There's just soo much stuff you could concentrate on that has much value. Analog would teach these kids about signal and how it flows and is modified. Figuring it out would also require use of a oscilloscope, and would take quite some time.
---To be honest, I would rather have a class where the first half of the semester is designing AND building your radio. (Preferably FM) I learned microcontrollers first before I learned anything about analog components and a radio is the best way to teach that.
No, teaching basic EM theory would be best, in that they could tether any means of communication to talk to their circuits. Once you have an input path, all neato things are possible. We can do 1-wire, serial, usb, radio, ir/photoresistor, led, and a few more types on the cheap.
Good luck with that.
If you dont use something simple like Legos and their language, it'll go over all their heads. Most of these kids you'll teach probably wont have a mastery of algebra, let alone have the mental concept of complex systems like robotics. There's always a few that do, but they'd benefit from an extracurricular group after school.
You'd be best teaching how a computer works (from ground up), how circuits work, basic circuit theory, and basic radio theory.
Building computers from junk parts, and installing Linux would teach them a lot.
Understanding how to use a 555 timer with other basic inputs would teach them how to control input to output, along with basic principles of common "parts".
Radio theory could teach that all signals are EM, and given proper parts, we can listen and create them. Show how to build a crystal am radio and then turn it into a transmitter. Apply to current theory.
Its still funny ;-D ...and gross
I'll take the nerdettes. Ill show here how to fsck.
---We'd take one look at the PC, one look at the motherboard replacement, see that they were identical, see that the OS wasn't installing with the appropriate key which was on the side of the PC...
---Then I'd install an activation crack and be done with it.
WTF are you doing that for? Make the customer do that.
---I'm not going to spend 2 hours on hold for Microsoft to BS me about how I, as a repair technician, have to tell a customer that they, microsoft, lied and misled them.
Why not? Let the customer know it will be 200$ for the software, since the MS-OS is not authorized for this motherboard, which the EULA demands.
---I COULD just hand the PC to the customer and tell them they need to activate it with Microsoft, which is their responsability which technically it is. But they will come right back, like a scared animal, and start complaining about how they got assrammed without lube by MS. Or worse, they'll take their anger out on me. Either way, I get fucked, MS gets money.
No, you're the problem. Would this practice be supported by say.. the medical profession? You'd be disbarred and sued for illegal conduct under profession.
---Is it a violation of the TOS? Well, here's a question; If a company sells a software package with an EULA, and that EULA states they have the right to install it on any PC or have repairs done to it by a authorized repair center with OEM hardware, and then they don't fallow through on that then technically, they are in violation of their own EULA. If Microsoft is in violation of their own software contract for failure to ensure the software can be installed, then this customer is owed some form of remedy. I realize that and work a bypass. Am I violating the TOS? You better believe I am, but I'm also covering Microsofts scrawny ass. I'm doing everyone a favor.
Do as required by your contract with the customer and make software crap no more difficult for them than it would be.
---They can call me up later when they do a restoration or reinstall themselves and run into the same problem, then they can connect up with microsoft and a Microsoft representantive can get yelled at and more importantly, Microsoft can look bad. That way the ass-chewing goes to the proper people with the power to do somethnig about it.
Wait till the customer does that anti-pirater program and finds out that YOU JIPPED THEM. I install that program on every machine I maintain, so customers know I didnt screw them. Of course, when they want me to pirate MSOffice, I steer them towards the price of MSOffice and Open Office. Guess what the users choose.
---I'v got a bottom line to uphold and it's hard enough in the world of disposable PC's to make a living doing repairs; you've got to be at the top of your game. I'm not going to start telling customers "hey, the $200 work on a $600 PC is done, I attempted an OS reinstall and it turns out Microsoft has decided that you need to repurchase the OS for another $200". That's rediculous.
Thats the cost of the "game" MS wants. And if you want more money, get some maintenance contracts and start making home theater systems for the local richies. Also, people would like those car-puters too, if it was installed pretty. And to encourage/discourage Windows usage, provide prices of Linux+Hardware vs. Windows+Hardware. Time can be computed within hardware (as I do, Im proficient with Win/Lin).
---For the record, you'd better believe I'v refused to do installs of pirated copies of windows. I'v get people coming upto me all the time and asking if I can use this CD-key here, on this piece of paper, to do it then hand the computer back to them. That always turns into a mess; I require either the holographic sticker or booklet with CD-key. It's when they have that and it still doesn't work I begin having problems.
Working in the computer industry requires fairness and consistency. To not do that will eventually drive your customers to me (which isnt that bad of a thing, mind you). I used to work f
Why not grow it within your infrastructure?
If you buy a "1 million$" security infrastructure, you WILL miss something. Instead, build the security from the ground up, paired with each node.
If you have to "pay for it now", you're already too late.
---I don't really think that's the case there. _They_ have in effect a virtually
limitless budget and they could easily build and launch themselves a
dedicated satellite that does exactly what they need it to do. If you don't
already know about it, get Celestia at sourceforge and then get one of the
satellite add-on packages for it. If you load that up you'll see there are in
effect more "military" satellites up there than civilian ones and some of them
have really peculiar orbits.
Well, Celestia isnt terribly good in my opinion for correcting all the kepelerian elements. I prefer orbitron, as it also controls my rotors. (I am a ham who's in satellite). With orbitron, it also tries to narrow out freq's for those "hidden spysats". My worry is that the spysats are uwb or crazy-channel shifting (well, multiple bands sifting).
---With amateur astronomers and other sat hobbyists monitoring orbiting objects
I don't think it wouldn't do for them to hijack such a prominent piece of
hardware as especially the sat people could at least detect the amount of
tdrss traffic from Hubble and they'd have to find more excuses for the orbit
monitoring people if they moved the satellite.
I wonder, is the ISS in the same boat? Is it encrypted links to/from earth?
---I don't know for sure _what_ they are hiding from us but I do know the _why_
of NASA secrecy especially when it comes to screening what should be completely
innocous data like Hubble images: Whatever is potentially out there could
be paradigm shattering and they certainly don't need that.
Well, it could be as simple if they didnt really get to the moon. They'd have to keep the data to themselves, and by that means controlling all ways to "see the moon". What would be neat would be if there was a detection of ETIs.. Then again, it would happen never the less.
There already laws on the real world?
Just like looking to solve a specific problem, somebody else has solved it.. Same goes for crime.
If you just thought of it, somebody else has already done it, and went to prison for it.
This story as as pointless as anything else "E". E-Mail, E-Voting, E-Chair.
Well, I have a sneaking suspicion that there's military activity going on there. Im not one to spout "i saw teh UFOS" or some of the wacko-shit.
I betcha hubble's a testbed for sat-killers and laser weapontry, along with other tests I cant think of right now. Also, with the right frequency, couldnt the hubble pierce water to "see" submarines? It'd be nice for a high bandwidth viewing of a sub for military data, but Hubble claims they cant aim it as the Earth (yeah right).
They could have stayed completely transparent by signing each transaction with a NASA private key. That would allow only operators to command, and everybody else to watch.
PKI is well known, and is proven mathematically. The only reason to encrypt is to hide from "Eve"... Us.
Also notice how the anony-coward did not address the encryption downlink. All he did was stress that all the data is stored at some website.
What ARE they doing on Hubble?
I guess when you look at it, Capitalism just doesnt work.. Of course the other choices work worse (communism, socialism, and facism).
And if I remember correctly, there was an earlier story about Wal-Mart and comodity goods: they tested by raising prices on certain commodity goods and saw no change in buying patterns. It seems peoples prefrences were stronger than the price increase, so Wal-mart is rolling out this kind of geographical discriminate pricing (between 2 low income counties that have different prefrences). Kind of evil, but nonetheless legal. I guess it pisses me off about Wal-Mart how they used to give back to communities, but now they do not at all. After Sam died, the company changed. Really changed.
And as a note, I wasnt trolling here, as I usually post a troll as a near-FP with the oposite what the moderators/Story poster want, yet at the same time, hard to refute. You know, blatant stuff like that and all.
Well, you really oughtta read my journal. Problem is Im a known troll, and many people dont like that.
That and also people have low intelligence and retention spans. If they understood, they would understand that Corporations pay no taxes, no fines, and no other forms of monetary penalties. Thats because it's offloaded to the customers every time.
But *im* a troll, so nothing I write is valid.
You keep using "Shit hot admin". Ill assume you mean "Worth a steaming pile of ..."
---For 200 workstations you need but 1 shit hot linu admin / developer. These guys do exist
I am one of them, but not cheap I may add. Ok now this is one cream of the crop linux dude
you have here and you have to pay him well so lets just say you fork out 70 - 80K for such
a guy. Now a windows shop you could probably make do with two people(MCSE types) for 50 K so we are
at a net gain so far of 20K at the worst not including benefits and such.
If you need more than 1 admin for 200 users, you're pretty sad. If you need 2 or more, you probably hired "MCSEs", who arent known for their intelligence. Given that Windows pretty much requires reinstalls on stupid bugs, that reinforces the apparent lack of know-how.
---Ok so now let's build out the enterprise..
---1. We buy our pc's from cdw just like everyone else in the world and they come preloaded with XP pro. Ok fine we will just run that why reimage the box and it will do for our needs.
Erm, ok. I'd prefer someplace that doesnt whisk Window on you, but if you pay for it, whatever.
---2. Shit hot admin loads a fairly hefty server that we plunked down close to 10K on so we subtract the 10K from the net gain we still got 10K left....loads umbuntu server
Ok, 10k sounds like a starting end server. Try a iSCSI san with multiple load points (with cheaper machines). DRBD with more lower end machines would guarantee better uptimes. Still, I laugh my ass off when you suggest you run "Umbuntu". I dont prefer Debian UNSTABLE on anything that resembles a server.
---3. Shit hot admin does a apt-get for samba now we have full file and print sharing, spends rest of day configuring and getting that ready...ok subtract cals not sure what the net gain is but say 5K
sounds like a good number.
And you most likely broke Samba again. Like I said, Debian Unstable does not play with servers and critical architecture well. And, since you're using a Linux server, CALs are not needed. They are only needed when you use a MS server product (it does not matter what client you use).
---4. Shit hot admin on the next day configures samba to do print to pdf conversion and spends a hour on a python script to feed the converted documents to the users email accounts. Now we don't need distiller at 600 dollars per desk.
Who needs Adobe Distiller at each desk? Anyways, OO is good enough.
---5. Shit hot admin loads OO on all desktops net gain $600 dollars per seat times 200, since we did not have to buy office.
But we send you uneditable PDFs anyways. Loser.
---6. Next you cannot run a company without a database server, shit hot admin loads mysql and postgres on the same box, along with this the appropriate web interfaces. I have not checked
ms sql prices lately with enough licenses to connect 200 users but I am sure it is substantial.
2 DB's make the machine twice as fast!!!!! dee dee deee.
---7. Oh wait we need a erp system, shit hot admin goes out to source forge and grabs compiere. Now we have a full featured erp system for the cost of a download. I don't know if you have priced erp systems lately but again the cost is substantial 10's, 100's of thousands of dollars for a group this size.
Wow. You, sir, are an idiot. ERP's cost 100's of thousands of dollars due to extreme customization tailored for that business. Downloading a general package does not count.
---8. Mail would be nice, lets go out and get a copy of zimbra, now we got both web mail and outlook connectivity.
If you didnt already migrate that from whatever they had before, you probably are already fired.
---9. Intranet portal, hundreds to choose from so we choose download and fire up apache, jboss or what have you.
Might as well make it a Wiki, as far as you're concerned. oooh! WikiFinancial! Modify to tell the SEC what you want to make!
---10. The big boys got CRM lets grab that als
Dont worry, We'll absorb their mistakes.
Thats what sheeple are for.
Better yet, has the BSA ever helped root out GPL violations? You know, like the ones that Cisco have done?
---First, it isn't a made up story and second,
What do we care. There's no proof but your say-so. And, you have no credibility (ESR, Linus, Stallman all have credibility to say what you said).
---my mothertongue is not English. How is your Dutch ? Your French ? Your German ? Thought so, knob...
Well, you are on a predominantly english speaking board, so demeaning others who correct your bad english is quite stupid. If you cannot write the language intelligibly, how are we going to decipher your meaning? There's plenty of other posts to read.
I see lawyers as big guns.
;-D (not me please..)
It just depends who the big guns are pointed at
Would the lack of media be a really bad thing?
Mass media would be gone for a while, but come back while adapting to the new rules. Perhaps thats what these media associations need: a kick in the balls.