---No, Zeinfelds world view is entirely sane and very defensible. I agree with him.
Perhaps, as a user Zeinfeld does have a point. More kernel modules loaded = slower system and less memory usable. It's also a stability issue (the more software, the more bugs). However, I want to be able to turn on and off that ability, if it does require rebooting in a special mode. FreeBSD does something like this in the special lock-modes in that certain files become apphend-only, the kernel is locked, and a bunch of other things that root cannot do.
----The collapse of residential computer security has meant that virtually nobody can keep their Windows machine secure anymore. Not even gurus. There are just way too many 0-day exploits for browsers and others out there, even for Firefox.
That's just wrong. You can patch up Windows so that it is usable and stable. Using left-control while double clicking on an app brings up RunAs (equals to su in linux). To make a good, stable browser, go get a newish firefox that works with all the extensions you like, install it on another user account (restricted user, with a X:\tmp file dumping repository). Then make a link to call RunAs to run firefox as that restrcited user. That takes care of your browser. Firewalling certain connections also help a lot in terms of stability.
And in reality, most, if not all attempts of hacks come through port 80 (http). Go get squid, proximitron, or some sort of proxy that can change data in the html stream. Scanning it with a Linux AV program would be rather wise..
----The usage of rootkits on Windows is now a common technique, often used to hide spyware. Once the machine has been rootkitted it is impossible to repair short of wiping the system clean and starting from scratch. But because of the first point, this is not practical.
Same with Linux, and with any other system that gives access to the "metal" with a master account. A way to stop this is with security on those accounts. Examples are the BSD way of locking certain things on higher security settings, and the introduction of SELinux. It's in 2.6 . All you gotta do is use it.
Windows has neither of these.
---Thanks to the first and second points doing business on the internet is rapidly becoming difficult or impossible. It started with online casinos and porn sites, but is spreading to "clean" business too. How can you run a company when any 16 year old with a botnet can shut you down at a whim?
I could say the same about phone lines or the US mail system. If you have enough people using any sort of resource, the receiving end will bog down.Too many phone calls and the network starts going wonky. Too much mail and you lose useful mail (that spammer was targetted with shitloads of ads through the USPS).
This "point" is akin to taking an existing problem and adding an E- on it.
---The foundation of any security system is the kernel. If the kernel is not running in a known state, you have no security system - period.
Agreed.
---There is absolutely zero point in having user accounts, authentication, file permissions and so on if programs can load code into the kernel... which they can, because for historical reasons Windows programs require admin rights, and even if they didn't, ultimately any program can ask the user to do something on its behalf and most will.
Actually, this is a good reason to eliminate user accounts from Windows XP home. I dont like ceding all power of my computer, but there needs to be channels in which to install stuff that needs installation. I do like the reboot in a certain mode to install a driver. Wait-times like that really do make users question, expessially when you can show randomized scare-pics to show what would happen if you install bad stuff.
You cant make 100% secure computers, but you can make it uncomfortable to do so.
---The solution is clear - forbid any unknown code from loading into the kernel. Only then can you have a sane system built
With the Federal Board of Education now in place, who votes in appropiations bills?
Thats right, the Congress. It would be illegal to fund forced religious happenings within a public institution. It is also against the law to keep their child home, due to truancy laws.
I can see why forced prayer in schools became illegal, along with valedectorian speeches of religion (you have no choice to avoid them). What I cant understand is when the schools prevent the students from privately saying them.
Do you know how much credability you have when you show up with a signed and/or notarized document of payment? Even if the "contract" is:::: I, Creepy Crawler, owe 400$ to soft_guy for the construction of my deck addition on my house. I will pay this by XYZ date.
Signed, Creepy Crawler:::
As long as there's no serious evidence in the contrary (not fulfilling the contract), you've won.
Microwave Oven Washer Dryer TeeVee (standard ol 19 in RF-in set) Computer Monitor Furnace AC system Treadmill (has ethernet jack for upload of new "tracks" and firmware upgrades)
Well, there are some lockouts on these devices, but they are purely user-initiated (like clean cycle on oven, or auto-turn off on microwave door open). My point is that certain things can be "locked out", but they are also under 100% of the user, not some third party.
The few devices that experience the most lock-out garbage are Media players, certain Windows-Only hardware, and media software. It's not that bad, cause I built my own media PVR and I dont buy unsupported hardware (in Linux). If it works in Linux now without binary stubs, it'll work as long as its relavent.
---I've never seen "seperation of church and state"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (Bill of Rights, Amendment 1)
"right to privacy"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (Bill of Rights, Amendment 4)
"right to their own body"
(Reread Amendment 4)
---and many other things in there... but they keep appearing. It doesn't matter which side you're on. The "living document" keeps "evolving" new words that we must abide by even if they don't seem to be written there.
Try reading the document. It's rather clear in the language and its intent.
---You've got to keep a close watch on people. Everyone from atheist to the far religeous right to NAMBLA to the ACLU seem to think The Constiution says they are right. It may, it may not, but they all claim it.
I dont give a single shit about some other group. As long as they do no harm to others, Its not any of my business (or... I dont care if they are intent on consentual behaviors or if they wish to harm themselves.)
Everything happens for a reason, because science dictates it. The only reason we may not know how something reacts is because we do not have the requisite intelligence and/or prior findings to show us the answers.
From what I gather from the water experiment, the "boogeyman" is microwave radiation. 3GHz to 300GHz is around the microwave spectrum. Microwaves, from scientific theory, cause massive vibrations in water molecules, raising heat. This radiation is not ionizing, as is UV and higher power radiation.
At most, certain molecules could decomp in cooking foods. Cooking with fire causes more decomp than microwave cooking.
Now, the water experiment only has about 3 elements we can break up and reconstitute. H, O, N. Good luck bring up the pressure of N2 to break that triple bond, so we have H and O. What compunds can you make with H and O? Water, H3O+, OH- and H2O2. So, we test for acid/base and decomp H2O2 with manganese to evolve H2.
I fail to see why this could kill anything, which the data supports.
Then explain to us why "microwaved water" kills the plants.
Is it converting to H2O2?, H3O+, OH-, or some other combination? Bromothymol blue and phenylethylamine detect acid and base reactions. You can also catalyse the decomp of H2O2 to H2O+H2 .
Trademarks fade if you do not agressively pursue violators (like how you search google for something, not "google for something").
Patents last the term and do not fade in that way. They are full effect for 20 years.
Copyrights fade 70+ years after you die (and getting longer...).
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The Long version is simple too.
In order for people to have workable computers, applications must be sandboxed in that an error does not comprimise other data unaffiliated with said program (Eros OS and other capability systems)
Ill give that the comment about the ass and the door was inane, but people can choose whether to use encumbered source code.
If you use Windows devel tools, you abide by the agreements. If you buy some embedding kit, you abide by those agreements. Well, if you want to use GPL based code, you abide by the GPL.
Nobody's breaking your hand to use GPL stuff. It's just there, and easy to use. Just there's that cost to it....
Absolutely. We need a base system that is truly free (and we have it).
Let the cool content based programs (read games) and vertical apps go up from here. All I ask is that you (the companies/developers) follow the rules of the base system.
Excuse me? There's plenty of room for all of us; opensourced and closedsource.
And there's no need for name-calling such stuff. He can read the licenses, as Im sure he's done with MS products.
And really, Linux as a base system needs to be open source so we can do whatever we want. But on top of that, let anybody develop for it. If I'll use it, and its good, Ill buy it.
(AAAAhh someone who is willing to pay for linux programs!!! oh the humanity)
---Sure, they can come back and "fix" it again, only for it to be broken again.
Well, perhaps that's not a bad idea at all. Let them "fix" it. Microsoft just recently "fixed" their DRM, in so that legitimate customers will be locked out of their own music.
I picture soon that the question will be "does my hardware at this unchanging firmware play this amorphous piece of media right now?" Well, the question will arise in the mass public and they will witness media not playing, after they paid, of course.
DRM will die when mass groups of people get screwed.
---You're talking about fault within the legal system. I was merely talking in terms of logical analysis. (You know, the set of mental tools we use to determine if laws are valid or not... entirely different from the much smaller set of mental tools we use to determine if a law exists or not. Just because it's a law doesn't make it a good law and as citizens, wouldn't you say it's our job to question these things?)
As was I. I'm speaking in logical analysis of whether they seem to breach law (either tort or criminal). I bet (I have no proof...) that if they were to be somewhat proactive about enforcement, a judge would find that to be a mitigating factor, if not a reason to outright dismiss a case.
---My point was that logically speaking, if you hold all companies to that burden of responsibility, then gun manufacturers could be held responsible for crimes committed through the intentional misuse of their products, automotive manufactueres could be held responsible for crimes commited with the intentional misuse of their products, and so forth. It isn't as though YouTube is intentionally encouraging its users to upload copyrighted material.
That is completely wrong. How many times must we deal with peoples who make this tired gun analogy? If you accept something on your property (bits or matter), you better make sure it's legal to have that there. If someone uploads content that they do not have a copyright to do so, they're breaking tort law. If YouTube maintains it and does not investigate, or take complaints of copyright infringement, I see no reason why YouTube should fall flat on its' ass.
---At what point are Americans going to become accountable for our own actions again? The reason that websites do not have "common carrier status" is simple: The media corporations saw to it that they weren't given it.
Bwhahahah! What a pile of... Common carrier was a legal term for protection of companies that make information and telecommunications systems. Normally, police confiscated equipment in connection to a crime, but the telco's wanted immunity so that their network would not be considered. That happened a while back, before the Media Corps took it away. Rubbish..
---They have gigantic lobbies which all but guarantee that any laws passed favor their interests. Since individuals breaking copyright laws aren't a desireable litigious target for the media companies, they saw to it that a law was created that enabled them to sue the fatter juicier targets; the websites over which content is shared. The lobbying and legal muscle of an AOL/Time-Warner is several orders of magnitude more powerful than a company like YouTube.
Wrong, wrong and TOTALLY wrong. MSN doesn't have common carrier. Google doesn't have common carrier. Slashdot doesn't have common carrier. Only network providers and telco's have common carrier on specific lines.
---PS: DON'T USE ALL CAPS. IT'S SHOUTING AND IT'S CONSIDERED RUDE.
Our communication system laws have not caught up with the Internet. Websites DO NOT HAVE common carrier status and can be held liable for illegal actions they didnt prevent.
1: I buy a CD In Wal-Mart. 2: I now have a case and a plastic disc with information pressed into metal foil. That information is audio, which is under copyright (and Im NOT the copyright holder). 3: I throw away the receipt after a few days (small purchase receipts do get lost, and most retailers wont accept media back)
4: How do I prove I have a legitimate copy of this disc?
What I mean is, does just possessing this disc enough to prove I didnt download it? Is there a standard license I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN from the copyright holder?
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That was about contentless, other than blatant MS bashing.
Well, we had older things like the mm2048 and mm256 garbage with Win98 and Win95, along with the NSAkey. The difference is there WAS PROOF.
Where's the proof MS is at it again?
Well, add a 32bit number that keeps track of how many epochs have passed.
;-D
03:14:07 Jan 19, 2038 UTC = 00:00:00:01 00:00:00:00
Or is 2^32 epochs not big enough?
Why they would want their own distribution (either buy Rhat or make their own)..
But why not use established systems with guaranteed update mechanisms? Something like Debian with the stable branch comes to mind.
---No, Zeinfelds world view is entirely sane and very defensible. I agree with him.
... which they can, because for historical reasons Windows programs require admin rights, and even if they didn't, ultimately any program can ask the user to do something on its behalf and most will.
Perhaps, as a user Zeinfeld does have a point. More kernel modules loaded = slower system and less memory usable. It's also a stability issue (the more software, the more bugs). However, I want to be able to turn on and off that ability, if it does require rebooting in a special mode. FreeBSD does something like this in the special lock-modes in that certain files become apphend-only, the kernel is locked, and a bunch of other things that root cannot do.
----The collapse of residential computer security has meant that virtually nobody can keep their Windows machine secure anymore. Not even gurus. There are just way too many 0-day exploits for browsers and others out there, even for Firefox.
That's just wrong. You can patch up Windows so that it is usable and stable. Using left-control while double clicking on an app brings up RunAs (equals to su in linux). To make a good, stable browser, go get a newish firefox that works with all the extensions you like, install it on another user account (restricted user, with a X:\tmp file dumping repository). Then make a link to call RunAs to run firefox as that restrcited user. That takes care of your browser. Firewalling certain connections also help a lot in terms of stability.
And in reality, most, if not all attempts of hacks come through port 80 (http). Go get squid, proximitron, or some sort of proxy that can change data in the html stream. Scanning it with a Linux AV program would be rather wise..
----The usage of rootkits on Windows is now a common technique, often used to hide spyware. Once the machine has been rootkitted it is impossible to repair short of wiping the system clean and starting from scratch. But because of the first point, this is not practical.
Same with Linux, and with any other system that gives access to the "metal" with a master account. A way to stop this is with security on those accounts. Examples are the BSD way of locking certain things on higher security settings, and the introduction of SELinux. It's in 2.6 . All you gotta do is use it.
Windows has neither of these.
---Thanks to the first and second points doing business on the internet is rapidly becoming difficult or impossible. It started with online casinos and porn sites, but is spreading to "clean" business too. How can you run a company when any 16 year old with a botnet can shut you down at a whim?
I could say the same about phone lines or the US mail system. If you have enough people using any sort of resource, the receiving end will bog down.Too many phone calls and the network starts going wonky. Too much mail and you lose useful mail (that spammer was targetted with shitloads of ads through the USPS).
This "point" is akin to taking an existing problem and adding an E- on it.
---The foundation of any security system is the kernel. If the kernel is not running in a known state, you have no security system - period.
Agreed.
---There is absolutely zero point in having user accounts, authentication, file permissions and so on if programs can load code into the kernel
Actually, this is a good reason to eliminate user accounts from Windows XP home. I dont like ceding all power of my computer, but there needs to be channels in which to install stuff that needs installation. I do like the reboot in a certain mode to install a driver. Wait-times like that really do make users question, expessially when you can show randomized scare-pics to show what would happen if you install bad stuff.
You cant make 100% secure computers, but you can make it uncomfortable to do so.
---The solution is clear - forbid any unknown code from loading into the kernel. Only then can you have a sane system built
With the Federal Board of Education now in place, who votes in appropiations bills?
Thats right, the Congress. It would be illegal to fund forced religious happenings within a public institution. It is also against the law to keep their child home, due to truancy laws.
I can see why forced prayer in schools became illegal, along with valedectorian speeches of religion (you have no choice to avoid them). What I cant understand is when the schools prevent the students from privately saying them.
Have you ever been in a small-claims courtroom?
:::
:::
Do you know how much credability you have when you show up with a signed and/or notarized document of payment? Even if the "contract" is:
I, Creepy Crawler, owe 400$ to soft_guy for the construction of my deck addition on my house. I will pay this by XYZ date.
Signed,
Creepy Crawler
As long as there's no serious evidence in the contrary (not fulfilling the contract), you've won.
Microwave
Oven
Washer
Dryer
TeeVee (standard ol 19 in RF-in set)
Computer
Monitor
Furnace
AC system
Treadmill (has ethernet jack for upload of new "tracks" and firmware upgrades)
Well, there are some lockouts on these devices, but they are purely user-initiated (like clean cycle on oven, or auto-turn off on microwave door open). My point is that certain things can be "locked out", but they are also under 100% of the user, not some third party.
The few devices that experience the most lock-out garbage are Media players, certain Windows-Only hardware, and media software. It's not that bad, cause I built my own media PVR and I dont buy unsupported hardware (in Linux). If it works in Linux now without binary stubs, it'll work as long as its relavent.
Wow.. You make refuting comments soo easy.
---I've never seen "seperation of church and state"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (Bill of Rights, Amendment 1)
"right to privacy"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (Bill of Rights, Amendment 4)
"right to their own body"
(Reread Amendment 4)
---and many other things in there... but they keep appearing. It doesn't matter which side you're on. The "living document" keeps "evolving" new words that we must abide by even if they don't seem to be written there.
Try reading the document. It's rather clear in the language and its intent.
---You've got to keep a close watch on people. Everyone from atheist to the far religeous right to NAMBLA to the ACLU seem to think The Constiution says they are right. It may, it may not, but they all claim it.
I dont give a single shit about some other group. As long as they do no harm to others, Its not any of my business (or... I dont care if they are intent on consentual behaviors or if they wish to harm themselves.)
what did you say??
(look at nick)
Too true...
Everything happens for a reason, because science dictates it. The only reason we may not know how something reacts is because we do not have the requisite intelligence and/or prior findings to show us the answers.
From what I gather from the water experiment, the "boogeyman" is microwave radiation. 3GHz to 300GHz is around the microwave spectrum. Microwaves, from scientific theory, cause massive vibrations in water molecules, raising heat. This radiation is not ionizing, as is UV and higher power radiation.
At most, certain molecules could decomp in cooking foods. Cooking with fire causes more decomp than microwave cooking.
Now, the water experiment only has about 3 elements we can break up and reconstitute. H, O, N. Good luck bring up the pressure of N2 to break that triple bond, so we have H and O. What compunds can you make with H and O? Water, H3O+, OH- and H2O2. So, we test for acid/base and decomp H2O2 with manganese to evolve H2.
I fail to see why this could kill anything, which the data supports.
Then explain to us why "microwaved water" kills the plants.
Is it converting to H2O2?, H3O+, OH-, or some other combination? Bromothymol blue and phenylethylamine detect acid and base reactions. You can also catalyse the decomp of H2O2 to H2O+H2 .
Tell us. What is it?
Trademarks fade if you do not agressively pursue violators (like how you search google for something, not "google for something").
Patents last the term and do not fade in that way. They are full effect for 20 years.
Copyrights fade 70+ years after you die (and getting longer...).
The Long version is simple too.
In order for people to have workable computers, applications must be sandboxed in that an error does not comprimise other data unaffiliated with said program (Eros OS and other capability systems)
Ill give that the comment about the ass and the door was inane, but people can choose whether to use encumbered source code.
If you use Windows devel tools, you abide by the agreements. If you buy some embedding kit, you abide by those agreements. Well, if you want to use GPL based code, you abide by the GPL.
Nobody's breaking your hand to use GPL stuff. It's just there, and easy to use. Just there's that cost to it....
Absolutely. We need a base system that is truly free (and we have it).
Let the cool content based programs (read games) and vertical apps go up from here. All I ask is that you (the companies/developers) follow the rules of the base system.
Excuse me? There's plenty of room for all of us; opensourced and closedsource.
And there's no need for name-calling such stuff. He can read the licenses, as Im sure he's done with MS products.
And really, Linux as a base system needs to be open source so we can do whatever we want. But on top of that, let anybody develop for it. If I'll use it, and its good, Ill buy it.
(AAAAhh someone who is willing to pay for linux programs!!! oh the humanity)
I think where OSS and such do make sence is on the server, when you substitute $$$/seat daemons to free daemons.
I'm thinking something like Linux/Samba/Kerberos for substitution for WinServer. Now, you dont owe any per seat access licenses.
If you are who you say you are, you're frigging ugly. Please get a decent haircut.
---Sure, they can come back and "fix" it again, only for it to be broken again.
Well, perhaps that's not a bad idea at all. Let them "fix" it. Microsoft just recently "fixed" their DRM, in so that legitimate customers will be locked out of their own music.
I picture soon that the question will be "does my hardware at this unchanging firmware play this amorphous piece of media right now?" Well, the question will arise in the mass public and they will witness media not playing, after they paid, of course.
DRM will die when mass groups of people get screwed.
Why do I have the feeling that somebody is going to turn out like Dmitry Sklyarov?
---You're talking about fault within the legal system. I was merely talking in terms of logical analysis. (You know, the set of mental tools we use to determine if laws are valid or not... entirely different from the much smaller set of mental tools we use to determine if a law exists or not. Just because it's a law doesn't make it a good law and as citizens, wouldn't you say it's our job to question these things?)
As was I. I'm speaking in logical analysis of whether they seem to breach law (either tort or criminal). I bet (I have no proof...) that if they were to be somewhat proactive about enforcement, a judge would find that to be a mitigating factor, if not a reason to outright dismiss a case.
---My point was that logically speaking, if you hold all companies to that burden of responsibility, then gun manufacturers could be held responsible for crimes committed through the intentional misuse of their products, automotive manufactueres could be held responsible for crimes commited with the intentional misuse of their products, and so forth. It isn't as though YouTube is intentionally encouraging its users to upload copyrighted material.
That is completely wrong. How many times must we deal with peoples who make this tired gun analogy? If you accept something on your property (bits or matter), you better make sure it's legal to have that there. If someone uploads content that they do not have a copyright to do so, they're breaking tort law. If YouTube maintains it and does not investigate, or take complaints of copyright infringement, I see no reason why YouTube should fall flat on its' ass.
---At what point are Americans going to become accountable for our own actions again? The reason that websites do not have "common carrier status" is simple: The media corporations saw to it that they weren't given it.
Bwhahahah! What a pile of... Common carrier was a legal term for protection of companies that make information and telecommunications systems. Normally, police confiscated equipment in connection to a crime, but the telco's wanted immunity so that their network would not be considered. That happened a while back, before the Media Corps took it away. Rubbish..
---They have gigantic lobbies which all but guarantee that any laws passed favor their interests. Since individuals breaking copyright laws aren't a desireable litigious target for the media companies, they saw to it that a law was created that enabled them to sue the fatter juicier targets; the websites over which content is shared. The lobbying and legal muscle of an AOL/Time-Warner is several orders of magnitude more powerful than a company like YouTube.
Wrong, wrong and TOTALLY wrong. MSN doesn't have common carrier. Google doesn't have common carrier. Slashdot doesn't have common carrier. Only network providers and telco's have common carrier on specific lines.
---PS: DON'T USE ALL CAPS. IT'S SHOUTING AND IT'S CONSIDERED RUDE.
I did that so these comments might sink in.
Yes it is YouTube's fault.
Our communication system laws have not caught up with the Internet. Websites DO NOT HAVE common carrier status and can be held liable for illegal actions they didnt prevent.
Definition of ownership of a copy?
Ill explain.
1: I buy a CD In Wal-Mart.
2: I now have a case and a plastic disc with information pressed into metal foil. That information is audio, which is under copyright (and Im NOT the copyright holder).
3: I throw away the receipt after a few days (small purchase receipts do get lost, and most retailers wont accept media back)
4: How do I prove I have a legitimate copy of this disc?
What I mean is, does just possessing this disc enough to prove I didnt download it? Is there a standard license I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN from the copyright holder?
This is like crippled apt-get but NOW you dont have to pay for it?
Wow.
(goes back to bash shell under debian.)
How is this going to affect us Ham operators?
One side, it says they'll use HF (well, probably MF to ELF) signals which re-attune the ionosphere to EHF absorption...
So, which is it?