hmm, one enterprise based on the pragmatic sharing of ideas & execution, that will ultimately benefit all in the community...the other rooted in the bowels of satan's ass, living to sell anything, to everyone, which will ultimately bring about utter vacuousness...this could be one hell of an oxymoron man...
thanks for your reasoned reply. what i was trying to point out was the *expectation* some people attach to google; people, who in coarser words would be called fanboys & in finer words, short-sighted. to be fair, their expectations aren't entirely misled because, drumroll, krist, how many more phds do you need to get together before they start crapping out more than webapps. hrrumph.
car analogies are far too popular here but i'll plow through anyway. you're entirely right that mercedes hasn't done anything fundamentally revolutionary to the internal combustion engine chugging kastrol, but no one who buys mercedes expects them to save the automotive industry, quite unlike the way some very hardcore google fans seem to think of google.
google's "do no evil" motto is constantly lauded but a cursory dip into the history books should be sufficient to convince most rational humans that trusting conglomerates comprised of 1000s of people is a folly...because, you guessed it padre, we're *people*. that's what a lot of us do. we cheat on our spouses, lie to our best friends, say hello to mother on mother's day [i'm being a bit bleak for effect here]. why should the situation be any different when you gotta shaft the countless anonymous cowards proclaiming to be your fans?
i appreciate google's utility & their products, but let's not fall into the trap of heralding these quite so quickly. the roger ebert folly of giving mindless popcorn flicks 3-4 stars [because they've fulfilled their ambitions of junk entertainment] & denying the same to more meriting flicks [because they aimed too high & burned their wings].
in a small way, i think this is just a case of lots of people looking for some kind of authority figure [not to compare google to rush limbaugh but, the same kind of fan comes to mind] to latch on to. let's wait a little...let google come out with their secret googleos, let them open source half the whizbang that makes their clustering work, let them do a tenth of what other industry giants who've come & gone [r.i.p. dec] have given us & *then*, then slashdaughters [sic], i'll join you in the saturnalian google orgy.
until then, i'm sticking to the sidelines & picking no favorites.
i don't post often [check out my posting history] buuut...now correct me [i.e. liberally mod me down] if i don't *get* it but considering the hubris over the amount of phds google've wrangled in, it's slightly surprising & disappointing that some of the brightest foax in the industry amount to coding slick webapps. granted, gmail's swell, as is google map et al, but i woulda thunk, back when i was still 'thunkin', that they'd be liable to throw more than this outta that campus.
again, i don't mean to be cynical, but i am, so i'll continue. let's surmise. gather an assload of postgrads in a room & figure you'll end up with something truly revolutionary [let's skip the discussion that nothing's truly revolutionary because that implies extinction of its predecessor & is instead, as werner von braun sez, transformation]. ibm seems to have fun creating groundbreaking shtuff [blue gene, the z9 mainframe]. bash sun all you like but solaris 10 is a sys admin's dream, with several features any server operating system should be proud to have. hell, apple's osx is a workstation's dream with its clean melding of a beautiful ui to a solid base. i'll stop the examples at those 3 because they're sufficiently high profile & they're what spring to my mind in my line o' work.
now let's take google. foax, i'm gonna hafta call shenanigans here. with all its bravado & sheer resources, the best google has done is search. and don't get me wrong, it's certainly better at it than anyone currently. but let's put down the kool-aid for a moment & consider; google's search algorithm is just that, a single algorithm which is supplemented by *people* [see: previous/. story about its internet agents]. it's foray into webapps are just that, forays, most of which remain in beta. skip the discussion that google's beta is better than other's production releases because my point is that while they're certainly polishing the hell outta everything, what they're doing *isn't* by any stretch - here's the word again - revolutionary. javascript, ajax, whatever you wanna call it [really, whatever you call it since i'm not a programmer] isn't the most complex whatchamacallit & if that's all phds can put together in a considerable number of years, i gotta wonder if soon we won't be reading of google's downfall, much as we did of altavista & co, and we continue to do of yahoo.
and before you throw their clustered linux system in my inconsiderate face, seeing as how we know very little about how it actually works i've skipped over it on purpose because it's not a revolutionary google product if no one else gets to use it. good night & dank oo.
How can our daughter grow up into a beautiful young lady?
bobby: anyway, you don't hafta worry about me dad...i'm never gonna have sex.
hank: now bobby, don't say that.
bobby: i thought that's what you wanted.
hank: yes...if you were my daughter.
duder, uh, don't say 'ooh' u'less you're a hot blond with an ass that tastes like french vanilla...well, maybe you are but i kinda doubt it, wiv that name & all...
+5 informative? (5:23pm gmt) the guy just stated an opinion. how the hell was that informative? while we're sucking each others' dicks:
1. i am 12 years old & have a 12 inch penis so... 2. i jerk off thrice a day but shower only once so... 3. i got rugburn so... 4. (and just to prempt crackheads) profit!!!
i now demand that this be modded informative. none of y'all knew that before.
interesting my ass. bmw's are cock replacements, most pcs that'll run longhorn will be gaming/soho stations. the day a longhorn laden box pulls in an equal volume in chickadees (that a beemer does) i might give that eye candy a shot.
not that all eye candy is terrible, just this, seems overboard. we've been surviving without translucenct icons & 3d presentations (actually, some of us have been surviving Despite clueless dweebs making '3d' presentations) for long enough & been happy this way.
i'm not against progress, just the false prophets that promote something less than it, under the guise. this is Not progress.
If you are installing a binary driver, like nvidias or anything else out of the ordinary it comes with its own instructions. If not, screw it, it's not worth it.
ja, ja, were it so that we could all ride beside you on ze high horse, sire!
this is only my 2nd post to this place. sorry dude but your comment really irked me.
in all sincerity, there's more to life than wanking off about computers...there's more to freedom than wimping it down to what OS it is you choose...yours are petty arguments in these petty times...
step out in the rain for a second, there're people out there who're just as smart & passionate as you believe you are, only not concerning computing...just because it's our life doesn't mean everyone has the will/time/need to spend hours deciding what windowmanager to use, what kernel option to compile in This time, whether to use reiser or stick with ext3 (i realize these aren't your points, i'm extrapolating)...
yes, some people Do like to use computers as commodity devices. they like to surf the net. listen to music. play games. that's it. the other parts of their lives are much more enriching & interesting to them than spending fighting some self-created holy war (yea, yea, jihad jokes aside).
stop talking about cojones until u live in a 3rd world country, live in a dictatorship for a few months with no running water or electricity, then talk about freedom.
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If you think the solution to scaling issues is to 'throw more silicone' at the problem, you are about the worse programmer in the universe.
throwing more silicone at the problem has helped many an aspiring playmate. i know this is unintentional, but i got a chuckle out it :-) emphasis mine.
riiiiight...wink, wink, nudge, nudge :-)
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hmm, one enterprise based on the pragmatic sharing of ideas & execution, that will ultimately benefit all in the community...the other rooted in the bowels of satan's ass, living to sell anything, to everyone, which will ultimately bring about utter vacuousness...this could be one hell of an oxymoron man...
thanks for your reasoned reply. what i was trying to point out was the *expectation* some people attach to google; people, who in coarser words would be called fanboys & in finer words, short-sighted. to be fair, their expectations aren't entirely misled because, drumroll, krist, how many more phds do you need to get together before they start crapping out more than webapps. hrrumph.
car analogies are far too popular here but i'll plow through anyway. you're entirely right that mercedes hasn't done anything fundamentally revolutionary to the internal combustion engine chugging kastrol, but no one who buys mercedes expects them to save the automotive industry, quite unlike the way some very hardcore google fans seem to think of google.
google's "do no evil" motto is constantly lauded but a cursory dip into the history books should be sufficient to convince most rational humans that trusting conglomerates comprised of 1000s of people is a folly...because, you guessed it padre, we're *people*. that's what a lot of us do. we cheat on our spouses, lie to our best friends, say hello to mother on mother's day [i'm being a bit bleak for effect here]. why should the situation be any different when you gotta shaft the countless anonymous cowards proclaiming to be your fans?
i appreciate google's utility & their products, but let's not fall into the trap of heralding these quite so quickly. the roger ebert folly of giving mindless popcorn flicks 3-4 stars [because they've fulfilled their ambitions of junk entertainment] & denying the same to more meriting flicks [because they aimed too high & burned their wings].
in a small way, i think this is just a case of lots of people looking for some kind of authority figure [not to compare google to rush limbaugh but, the same kind of fan comes to mind] to latch on to. let's wait a little...let google come out with their secret googleos, let them open source half the whizbang that makes their clustering work, let them do a tenth of what other industry giants who've come & gone [r.i.p. dec] have given us & *then*, then slashdaughters [sic], i'll join you in the saturnalian google orgy.
until then, i'm sticking to the sidelines & picking no favorites.
foax was liberally used by thomas pynchon in "gravity's rainbow"...if it's good enough for him...
and anyway, that doesn't have anything do with my argument. o well.
i don't post often [check out my posting history] buuut...now correct me [i.e. liberally mod me down] if i don't *get* it but considering the hubris over the amount of phds google've wrangled in, it's slightly surprising & disappointing that some of the brightest foax in the industry amount to coding slick webapps. granted, gmail's swell, as is google map et al, but i woulda thunk, back when i was still 'thunkin', that they'd be liable to throw more than this outta that campus.
/. story about its internet agents]. it's foray into webapps are just that, forays, most of which remain in beta. skip the discussion that google's beta is better than other's production releases because my point is that while they're certainly polishing the hell outta everything, what they're doing *isn't* by any stretch - here's the word again - revolutionary. javascript, ajax, whatever you wanna call it [really, whatever you call it since i'm not a programmer] isn't the most complex whatchamacallit & if that's all phds can put together in a considerable number of years, i gotta wonder if soon we won't be reading of google's downfall, much as we did of altavista & co, and we continue to do of yahoo.
again, i don't mean to be cynical, but i am, so i'll continue. let's surmise. gather an assload of postgrads in a room & figure you'll end up with something truly revolutionary [let's skip the discussion that nothing's truly revolutionary because that implies extinction of its predecessor & is instead, as werner von braun sez, transformation]. ibm seems to have fun creating groundbreaking shtuff [blue gene, the z9 mainframe]. bash sun all you like but solaris 10 is a sys admin's dream, with several features any server operating system should be proud to have. hell, apple's osx is a workstation's dream with its clean melding of a beautiful ui to a solid base. i'll stop the examples at those 3 because they're sufficiently high profile & they're what spring to my mind in my line o' work.
now let's take google. foax, i'm gonna hafta call shenanigans here. with all its bravado & sheer resources, the best google has done is search. and don't get me wrong, it's certainly better at it than anyone currently. but let's put down the kool-aid for a moment & consider; google's search algorithm is just that, a single algorithm which is supplemented by *people* [see: previous
and before you throw their clustered linux system in my inconsiderate face, seeing as how we know very little about how it actually works i've skipped over it on purpose because it's not a revolutionary google product if no one else gets to use it. good night & dank oo.
literally eat his words?
wiv what? hoisin sauce?
the velvet underground lives...
thanks man, that was a cool read; didn't know much about the office end of things there...
How can our daughter grow up into a beautiful young lady?
bobby: anyway, you don't hafta worry about me dad...i'm never gonna have sex.
hank: now bobby, don't say that.
bobby: i thought that's what you wanted.
hank: yes...if you were my daughter.
hrrumph...
duder, uh, don't say 'ooh' u'less you're a hot blond with an ass that tastes like french vanilla...well, maybe you are but i kinda doubt it, wiv that name & all...
beautiful bukowski reference...
+5 informative? (5:23pm gmt) the guy just stated an opinion. how the hell was that informative? while we're sucking each others' dicks:
1. i am 12 years old & have a 12 inch penis so...
2. i jerk off thrice a day but shower only once so...
3. i got rugburn so...
4. (and just to prempt crackheads) profit!!!
i now demand that this be modded informative. none of y'all knew that before.
interesting my ass. bmw's are cock replacements, most pcs that'll run longhorn will be gaming/soho stations. the day a longhorn laden box pulls in an equal volume in chickadees (that a beemer does) i might give that eye candy a shot.
not that all eye candy is terrible, just this, seems overboard. we've been surviving without translucenct icons & 3d presentations (actually, some of us have been surviving Despite clueless dweebs making '3d' presentations) for long enough & been happy this way.
i'm not against progress, just the false prophets that promote something less than it, under the guise. this is Not progress.
If you are installing a binary driver, like nvidias or anything else out of the ordinary it comes with its own instructions. If not, screw it, it's not worth it.
ja, ja, were it so that we could all ride beside you on ze high horse, sire!
great reference man, The Big Lebowski
this is only my 2nd post to this place. sorry dude but your comment really irked me.
in all sincerity, there's more to life than wanking off about computers...there's more to freedom than wimping it down to what OS it is you choose...yours are petty arguments in these petty times...
step out in the rain for a second, there're people out there who're just as smart & passionate as you believe you are, only not concerning computing...just because it's our life doesn't mean everyone has the will/time/need to spend hours deciding what windowmanager to use, what kernel option to compile in This time, whether to use reiser or stick with ext3 (i realize these aren't your points, i'm extrapolating)...
yes, some people Do like to use computers as commodity devices. they like to surf the net. listen to music. play games. that's it. the other parts of their lives are much more enriching & interesting to them than spending fighting some self-created holy war (yea, yea, jihad jokes aside).
stop talking about cojones until u live in a 3rd world country, live in a dictatorship for a few months with no running water or electricity, then talk about freedom.
but shit, i'm just another drunk man.
photoshop CS. safe when used as directed...